Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 31#Frank Adonis

• {{no redirect|1 = Media propaganda }} → :Ethnic stereotype  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Media_propaganda&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-12-01&end=2018-12-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Media_propaganda stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Media propaganda|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Media propaganda closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Media propaganda|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Media propaganda closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Media propaganda|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Media propaganda closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

The phrase is not exclusive to its target in the least, but there seems to not be a more proper retargeting option for this redirect either. Steel1943 (talk) 23:09, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

• Retarget to Propaganda through media. Could not be less of a WP:SURPRISE. wumbolo ^^^ 16:32, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Racial Stereotypes (e learning) }} → :Ethnic stereotype  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Racial_Stereotypes_(e_learning)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-12-01&end=2018-12-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Racial_Stereotypes_%28e_learning%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Racial Stereotypes (e learning)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Racial Stereotypes (e learning) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Racial Stereotypes (e learning)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Racial Stereotypes (e learning) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Racial Stereotypes (e learning)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Racial Stereotypes (e learning) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Unclear what "(e learning)" is meant to refer to. (This redirect was an article for less than a day.) Steel1943 (talk) 22:59, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

• Delete Considering that the article was an essay of origunal research, I am quite surprised that it was redirected rather than deleted by PROD. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:37, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
• Delete as not at target. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:08, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Stereotypes of Italians and Italian Americans }} → :Ethnic stereotype  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stereotypes_of_Italians_and_Italian_Americans&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-12-01&end=2018-12-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Stereotypes_of_Italians_and_Italian_Americans stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Stereotypes of Italians and Italian Americans|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Stereotypes of Italians and Italian Americans closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Stereotypes of Italians and Italian Americans|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Stereotypes of Italians and Italian Americans closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Stereotypes of Italians and Italian Americans|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Stereotypes of Italians and Italian Americans closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

There is no such information at the target article. (However, this redirect is a {{Tl|R with history}}.) Steel1943 (talk) 22:48, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

• Retarget to Anti-Italianism. There's a light WP:XY problem here, where a reader specifically concerned with Italian Americans would be more interested in Italian Americans#Discrimination and stereotyping. I've added an explicit link there from Italian Americans, which should alleviate that, but I'm confident that a reader searching this term would be satisfied with Anti-Italianism alone. --BDD (talk) 18:46, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Media lies }} → :Ethnic stereotype  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Media_lies&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-12-01&end=2018-12-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Media_lies stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Media lies|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Media lies closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Media lies|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Media lies closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Media lies|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Media lies closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

This phrase is not exclusive to its target, and in general, the phrase is not exclusive to really anything. Steel1943 (talk) 22:46, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

• Delete Fake news comes to mind first. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:39, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
• That was the first subject that came to mind for me as well, but that subject isn’t necessarily lies, so I glanced on to not considering it for retargeting. Steel1943 (talk) 00:44, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
• Delete as no suitable target. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:00, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Negative stereotypes of other cultures }} → :Ethnic stereotype  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Negative_stereotypes_of_other_cultures&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-12-01&end=2018-12-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Negative_stereotypes_of_other_cultures stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Negative stereotypes of other cultures|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Negative stereotypes of other cultures closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Negative stereotypes of other cultures|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Negative stereotypes of other cultures closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Negative stereotypes of other cultures|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Negative stereotypes of other cultures closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

The redirect does not answer the question "Other than what cultures?" and is thus vague. Also, {{No redirect|Negative stereotype}} is a redirect to Stereotype, meaning that the title of this redirect basically assumes that all "other" stereotypes are "ethnic", which is not true in all contexts. Steel1943 (talk) 22:43, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

• Retarget to Stereotype as a possible related search term. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:09, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
• Retarget per Rubbish computer. "Other than one's own" is a pretty reasonable assumption. --BDD (talk) 22:07, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Vincennes incident }} → :Iran Air Flight 655  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vincennes_incident&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-12-01&end=2018-12-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Vincennes_incident stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Vincennes incident|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Vincennes incident closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Vincennes incident|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Vincennes incident closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Vincennes incident|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Vincennes incident closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

The target is specific to an incident with {{USS|Vincennes|CG-49}}. This redirect could ambiguously refer to any incident that has happened in Vincennes or and subject on Vincennes (disambiguation). A related properly precise redirect, {{No redirect|USS Vincennes Incident}}, exists and also targets the same target. Steel1943 (talk) 22:09, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:02, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
• Keep. This redirect is a common search term for the target article. 9/11 still redirects to September 11 attacks even though, as here, there are multiple "theoretical" other meanings. UnitedStatesian (talk) 13:28, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
• The connection between "9/11" and "September 11 attacks" seems a lot clearer than the connection between the nominated redirect and its target. When I see the redirect and the target, it seems more akin to connecting "Pretzel incident" (RfD) and "George W. Bush". Steel1943 (talk) 18:17, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

:::Reliable sources (such as [https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/1989-05/vincennes-incident here] and [https://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/07/01/Vincennes-incident-tragedy-that-begat-a-tragedy here]; many others) disagree with you; this is a synonym for the target unlike the spurious example you give. UnitedStatesian (talk) 02:09, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

• Keep. This is pretty commonly referred to without the "USS". [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Vincennes+incident%22&source=lnms&tbm=bks&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwio8Y2y6N7fAhUxqoMKHY5xB6sQ_AUIFCgB&biw=1440&bih=767] ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 18:30, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Weezer (2009 album) }} → :Raditude  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Weezer_(2009_album)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-12-01&end=2018-12-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Weezer_%282009_album%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Weezer (2009 album)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Weezer (2009 album) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Weezer (2009 album)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Weezer (2009 album) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Weezer (2009 album)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Weezer (2009 album) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Target is not a self-titled album. Steel1943 (talk) 21:00, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:10, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Softies and Twelve Other Songs About Partying }} → :Raditude  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Softies_and_Twelve_Other_Songs_About_Partying&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-12-01&end=2018-12-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Softies_and_Twelve_Other_Songs_About_Partying stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Softies and Twelve Other Songs About Partying|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Softies and Twelve Other Songs About Partying closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Softies and Twelve Other Songs About Partying|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Softies and Twelve Other Songs About Partying closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Softies and Twelve Other Songs About Partying|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Softies and Twelve Other Songs About Partying closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = "Softies" and Twelve Other Songs About Partying }} → :Raditude  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%22Softies%22_and_Twelve_Other_Songs_About_Partying&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-12-01&end=2018-12-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=%22Softies%22_and_Twelve_Other_Songs_About_Partying stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:"Softies" and Twelve Other Songs About Partying|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#"Softies" and Twelve Other Songs About Partying closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:"Softies" and Twelve Other Songs About Partying|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#"Softies" and Twelve Other Songs About Partying closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:"Softies" and Twelve Other Songs About Partying|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#"Softies" and Twelve Other Songs About Partying closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Not mentioned in target article. This is possibly a failed WP:CRYSTAL name for the subject of this article, and possibly was never a working title. Steel1943 (talk) 20:59, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

• Delete. No resemblance to target article. Ajf773 (talk) 19:46, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
• Delete as is not at target. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 13:39, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Kathleen and the Other Three }} → :Catfish and the Bottlemen  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kathleen_and_the_Other_Three&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-12-01&end=2018-12-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Kathleen_and_the_Other_Three stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Kathleen and the Other Three|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Kathleen and the Other Three closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Kathleen and the Other Three|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Kathleen and the Other Three closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Kathleen and the Other Three|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Kathleen and the Other Three closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

This redirect was an article that was redirected to its current target as a result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kathleen and the Other Three. However, in the article’s current state, this redirect is not mentioned in the target article. It seems that a song from the subject of this redirect, ”Kathleen", is mentioned a few times, but not the subject of the redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 20:56, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

• Delete as is not at target. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:02, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = The Other Lockerbie }} → :Iran Air Flight 655  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Other_Lockerbie&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-12-01&end=2018-12-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=The_Other_Lockerbie stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:The Other Lockerbie|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#The Other Lockerbie closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:The Other Lockerbie|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#The Other Lockerbie closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:The Other Lockerbie|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#The Other Lockerbie closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Mentioned in the references section as a title of a reference, but not mentioned in the content of the article. For this reason, the connection between the redirect and the subject of the article is unclear, and there is a possibility that readers who look up this term are looking for the referenced source and not the target article. Steel1943 (talk) 20:54, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

• Lockerbie seems to be a reference to Pan Am Flight 103. A user looking for "The Other Lockerbie" probably wants to find an article about tragic flights, but why would you specifically be looking for this article as opposed to, say, Korean Air Lines Flight 007 or Malaysia Airlines Flight 17? Potentially confusing target. Also implausible search term. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:05, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
• Delete as confusing, implausible search term. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:11, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
• Delete The average reader has probably not watched the eponymous Four Corners episode. ―Susmuffin ^Talk 19:20, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Life And Other Times }} → :Leslie Grantham  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Life_And_Other_Times&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-12-01&end=2018-12-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Life_And_Other_Times stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Life And Other Times|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Life And Other Times closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Life And Other Times|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Life And Other Times closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Life And Other Times|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Life And Other Times closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Not mentioned in target article. Steel1943 (talk) 20:51, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:03, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = War Zone(Crusade) }} → :List of Crusade episodes#ep1  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=War_Zone(Crusade)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-12-01&end=2018-12-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=War_Zone%28Crusade%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:War Zone(Crusade)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#War Zone(Crusade) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:War Zone(Crusade)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#War Zone(Crusade) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:War Zone(Crusade)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#War Zone(Crusade) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Delete per WP:RDAB and since its equivalent with a proper space, {{No redirect|War Zone (Crusade)}}, exists. Steel1943 (talk) 20:41, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 17:59, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:11, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Gravediggaz (other rap group) }} → :MF Grimm  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gravediggaz_(other_rap_group)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-12-01&end=2018-12-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Gravediggaz_%28other_rap_group%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Gravediggaz (other rap group)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Gravediggaz (other rap group) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Gravediggaz (other rap group)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Gravediggaz (other rap group) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Gravediggaz (other rap group)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Gravediggaz (other rap group) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

The disambiguator “(other rap group)” is vague due to the use of the word “other”. It assumes that all readers know that the subject currently at Gravediggaz is the other from this other. Steel1943 (talk) 20:25, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

• Delete as implausible. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:12, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Stati Uniti d'America }} → :United States  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stati_Uniti_d%27America&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-11&end=2018-12-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Stati_Uniti_d%27America stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Stati Uniti d'America|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Stati Uniti d'America closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Stati Uniti d'America|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Stati Uniti d'America closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Stati Uniti d'America|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Stati Uniti d'America closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

WP:FORRED. Target does not have affinity with the Italian language. (I originally was going to put all of foreign language redirects to United States together in one nomination. However, I then found discussions such as Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 September 4#États-Unis d'Amérique and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 November 18#Verenigde State van Amerika, so instead I’m listing them each individually by language to the best of my ability.) Steel1943 (talk) 23:23, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

• Keep. Italian is a sizable minority language in the United States per Italian language in the United States. -- Tavix ^(talk) 14:48, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

• Delete insufficient affinity of Italian language with the United States. Catrìona (talk) 23:24, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
• Delete. There are thousands of minority languages in the United States, we don't need redirects to the country name from any except the very biggest handful (at most) and Languages of the United States ranks Italian only 14th by the number of people speaking it at home. Thryduulf (talk) 18:02, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
• Keep. I think I lean on the side of considering Italian as having sufficient affinity with the USA to justify a redirect. Deryck C. 19:00, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:FORRED. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:04, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
• Keep. This 10-year-old redirect is exactly the sort of thing described in "Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them." WhatamIdoing (talk) 11:19, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

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As such, I am closing this as No consensus and will note the retarget as a bold redirect. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 17:57, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

• {{no redirect|1 = Spicy meatball }} → :Alka-Seltzer  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spicy_meatball&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-18&end=2018-12-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Spicy_meatball stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Spicy meatball|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Spicy meatball closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Spicy meatball|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Spicy meatball closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Spicy meatball|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Spicy meatball closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Spicy meatball could refer to the actual food spicy meatballs, I don't see how Alka-Seltzer is known as this. Colgatepony234 (talk) 00:24, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

• Weak keep. It's a reference to [https://www.google.com/search?q=that%27s+a+spicy+meatball their famous 1969 ad campaign]. OTOH, I doubt anyone is typing "Spicy meatball" into Wikipedia expecting it to have an encyclopedia entry. --Quuxplusone (talk) 00:37, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
• {{ping|Quuxplusone}} I created this redirect for that very reason; "Spicy Meatball" is a very iconic commercial. Interesting Fact: The Italian-American Civil Rights League protested both the commercial and The Godfather, according to the [https://www.newspapers.com/clip/21041750/protecting_the_italians_article/ Chicago Daily News]. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 02:15, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
• Comment Now I see how Spicy meatball relates to Alka-Seltzer, but still, the term could refer to other things, like the actual food called spicy meatballs. Colgatepony234 (talk) 02:25, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
• Suggest deletion and creation of That's a spicy meatball as a replacement redirect to Alka-Seltzer (a renaming if you prefer) (and possibly also a redirect to that from That's a spicy meat-a-ball) to be more appropriately specific. And since the ad campaign is very well known, the page could even one day earn it's own content. Resident Evil even has an achievement named after it :) Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 05:02, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
• Weak retarget to meatball which actually describes a few spicy meatball dishes, or delete per Fred Gandt. The commercial is not the WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT of this common term, and in fact appears to be nothing more than a WP:PTM. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 06:34, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
• Keep but make hatnote on target page with link to meatball. Given there's not actually a specific dish called "spicy meatball", it's far more likely someone would be searching for the commercial or the product, but it's plausible enough a search term for meatball to merit a hatnote. Smartyllama (talk) 18:57, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
• Delete - no reason to target to anything. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ^ᐐT₳LKᐬ 19:05, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
• Retarget to Meatball. It's a phrase for which people might conceivably search, but we should not facilitate corporate marketing when there is an article that is closer to the literal meaning if the redirect. bd2412 T 15:41, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
• FWIW, I don't think "retarget at meatball" is an appropriate resolution. That would be as if someone created a redirect at Australian for beer and then an RFD retargeted it to Beer — it completely misses the point of having that redirect exist at all. Keep the Easter egg, or delete it, or rename it to That's a spicy meatball per Fred Gandt — but don't retarget it to an unhelpful article about literal meatballs! --Quuxplusone (talk) 02:57, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
• Keep it's strongly associated with the ad, although other sources say the the title was "Mama Mia" or "Groom's First Meal" [https://adage.com/article/adage-encyclopedia/alka-seltzer/98309/]. [https://adage.com/creativity/work/spicy-meatball/13655] [https://books.google.com/books?id=HZLtCQAAQBAJ&pg=PA121&lpg=PA121] [https://books.google.com/books?id=3OUCAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA12&lpg=PA12] [https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/cultural-clicks-frida-kahlos-lovers-and-parenting-advice-from-metallicas-james-hetfield] [https://www.haaretz.com/life/books/.premium-the-mad-mensches-of-madison-avenue-1.5368203] [https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1990/04/hollywood-the-ad/305005/] [https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/catalyst/a-century-with-a-difference/article23056076.ece] AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:15, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
• Retarget to Meatball per bd2412. That article does list some spicy meatballs, along with another one at List of meatball dishes which is linked there. The {{tl|R from quote}} to Alka-Seltzer would be That's a spicy meatball (and/or variants to preserve the eye dialect). -- Tavix ^(talk) 02:05, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

• Delete or Weak retarget to List of meatball dishes. The phrase is ambiguous and could refer to multiple subjects not known specifically as "spicy meatball" themselves. In addition, the adjective "spicy" is relative, considering that what is spicy to one person may not be spicy to another, so thus "retargeting to Meatball" could be seen as misleading. Steel1943 (talk) 19:19, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
• Delete: I believe there is no suitable target because there is no article or section specifically about spicy meatballs. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:05, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Family Game Night }} → :Hasbro Family Game Night  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Family_Game_Night&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-08&end=2018-12-07&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Family_Game_Night stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Family Game Night|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Family Game Night closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Family Game Night|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Family Game Night closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Family Game Night|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Family Game Night closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Based on [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2017-12-08&end=2018-12-07&pages=Family_Game_Night|Hasbro_Family_Game_Night|Family_Game_Night_(TV_series) page views], it's a WP:NOPRIMARY situation between Family Game Night (TV series) and Hasbro Family Game Night. Therefore, Family Game Night and Family Game Night (TV series) should be swapped, with the TV series article residing at the base title. Then a hatnote to Hasbro Family Game Night can be added to the TV series article. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:37, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

• I’m confused: The first part of this nomination is claiming WP:NOPRIMARY, but then the next sentence claims that there is a primary topic. It’s contradicting itself. Steel1943 (talk) 01:26, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
• :Either way, my vote is for convert {{No redirect|Family Game Night}} into a disambiguation page (I agree with WP:NOPRIMARY for this), then tag the page with {{Tl|dabconcept}} since this phrase seems exclusive to the Hasbro concept. (Seems that there is a series or franchise-type article that should be made in regards to the Hasbro concept.) Steel1943 (talk) 01:28, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

• dabify convert to dab paage - per the nom -- 67.70.34.69 (talk) 10:23, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

• Disambiguate per nom. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:27, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Family Game }} → :The Family Game (game show)  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Family_Game&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-12-01&end=2018-12-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Family_Game stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Family Game|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Family Game closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Family Game|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Family Game closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Family Game|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Family Game closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 16#Family game, Family game is now a disambiguation page. I propose retargetting this capitalised title to that disambiguation page. Thryduulf (talk) 18:42, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

• Retarget per nom. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:23, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
• Retarget per nom. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:12, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = American settlers }} → :European colonization of the Americas  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=American_settlers&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-01&end=2018-11-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=American_settlers stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:American settlers|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#American settlers closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:American settlers|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#American settlers closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:American settlers|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#American settlers closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

retarget to a more appropriate target. Some options

• Colonial history of the United States
• Settlement of the Americas

-- Prisencolin (talk) 06:14, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

• Keep It seems that the most appropriate article for the redirect is already chosen. I say to leave this redirect the way it is. Steve Lux, Jr. (talk) 17:45, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
• Can we create a topic index? It seems that the term "American settlers" isn't actually ambiguous as is, but it is a dictionary definition that can refer to multiple encyclopedia articles that refer to related (but separate) topics. Deryck C. 10:47, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
• Retarget to Settlement of the Americas which seems to be the most encompassing target. "Colonization" seem too narrow to me, settling also occurred post-colonization. If a dab is to be created, also consider American diaspora (Americans settling elsewhere) and The Oregon Trail: American Settler (especially if the dab is created at American settler). -- Tavix ^(talk) 01:50, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

• Retarget to Settlement of the Americas per Tavix. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:14, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
• {{ping|Prisencolin|Steve Lux, Jr.|Tavix|Rubbish computer}} this topic is too broad and ambiguous to be adequately covered by a single article. I've created a draft "topic index" for American settlers, as suggested by {{U|Deryck Chan}}. – wbm1058 (talk) 18:28, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
• Convert to set index per {{u|Wbm1058}}. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 18:31, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Choppy scene }} → :Film director  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Choppy_scene&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-12-01&end=2018-12-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Choppy_scene stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Choppy scene|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Choppy scene closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Choppy scene|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Choppy scene closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Choppy scene|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Choppy scene closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Choppy scene doesn't really have anything to do with the article for film director, and it probably isn't even a topic that has encyclopedic value. The only thing that links to it is a disambiguation page, which might also be unnecessary. I propose that the redirect be deleted. Secundus Zephyrus (talk) 17:50, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

• Delete as is simply not at target. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 18:10, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
• Delete. The redirect might cause confusion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:24, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Shannon Stone }} → :Globe Life Park in Arlington#2011  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shannon_Stone&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-23&end=2018-12-22&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Shannon_Stone stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Shannon Stone|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Shannon Stone closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Shannon Stone|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Shannon Stone closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Shannon Stone|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Shannon Stone closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

The only thing that links here is the page it links to. Not needed. Beasting123 (talk) 22:44, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

• Keep. Incoming links aren't everything. This is a beyond-excellent search term. Paine Ellsworth, ed.  ^put'r there  22:06, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
• Keep per Paine. In addition, this redirect was an article for 7.5 years 2 weeks (Correction. - Steel1943 (talk) 22:27, 31 December 2018 (UTC)) until [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shannon_Stone&diff=874105005&oldid=872068875 it was redirected two weeks ago]. Even at this, this redirect is a {{Tl|R with history}}. Steel1943 (talk) 22:16, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

:*Sheesh! What's happened to RfD when redirects like this are placed in jeopardy? If I were a god I'd say in my deepest, most intimidating voice, {{gi|Don't make me come down there!}} Why the correction? It was created as a Stub article in 2011. Paine Ellsworth, ed.  ^put'r there  22:34, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

:*:(The stub that was written in 2011 was redirected the same day, and it seems the redirect remained until 2 December 2018 when another stub was written, only to be redirected again in the diff I referenced above.) Steel1943 (talk) 22:38, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

• Keep as a plausible search term. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:15, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Baruch Hashem }} → :Besiyata Dishmaya  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baruch_Hashem&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-07&end=2018-12-06&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Baruch_Hashem stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Baruch Hashem|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Baruch Hashem closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Baruch Hashem|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Baruch Hashem closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Baruch Hashem|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Baruch Hashem closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

This redirect should be deleted as Baruch Hashem is not an alternate phrase for Besiyata Dishmaya. They mean completely different things. Puzzledvegetable (talk) 17:34, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

:Keep Although indeed the translations are different, Baruch HaShem (correct capitalization per WP:HEBREW) means "Praise be to God" and BeSiyata DiShmaya (correct capitalization strikes again) means "With the help of Heaven", but the usage is the same: both are used at the beginning of letters written by religious Jews to express their thankfulness to God. Debresser (talk) 19:53, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

::I hear these expressions used often in my community, and in my personal experience, they are not at all used in the same way. “Baruch Hashem” is used after remarking about a good event. Example: “I thought I was going to miss the bus, but I managed to catch it, Baruch HaShem.” Besiyata Dishmaya on the the other hand, is used when expressing hope that something will happen. Example: “We will begin this project now, and hopefully have it done by next week, Besiyata Dishmaya.” Puzzledvegetable (talk) 23:10, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

::: That is another usage of Baruch HaShem. The one I mentioned is the well-known writing of 'B"H' at the beginning of a letter. Not the same thing. Debresser (talk) 22:49, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

::::I don't doubt what you are saying, but I personally have never seen B"H used in that way. Regardless, however, they still mean different things and aren't the same thing just because they can both be used in a similar situation. Puzzledvegetable (talk) 14:21, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

• Keep. Good search term. Mentioned and described in the target article. Paine Ellsworth, ed.  ^put'r there  22:51, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
• Retarget/refine to Besiyata Dishmaya#B'ezrat HaShem as relevant section. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:17, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Template:Usernamexpand }} → :Template:Usernameexpand  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Usernamexpand&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-21&end=2018-12-20&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Template%3AUsernamexpand stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Template:Usernamexpand|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Usernamexpand closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:Usernamexpand|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Usernamexpand closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Template:Usernamexpand|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Usernamexpand closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Template:Usernammeexpand }} → :Template:Usernameexpand  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Usernammeexpand&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-21&end=2018-12-20&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Template%3AUsernammeexpand stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Template:Usernammeexpand|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Usernammeexpand closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:Usernammeexpand|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Usernammeexpand closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Template:Usernammeexpand|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Usernammeexpand closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Template:Seperate article }} → :Template:Split section  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Seperate_article&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-21&end=2018-12-20&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Template%3ASeperate_article stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Template:Seperate article|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Seperate article closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:Seperate article|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Seperate article closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Template:Seperate article|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Seperate article closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Template:Original reasearch }} → :Template:Original research  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Original_reasearch&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-21&end=2018-12-20&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Template%3AOriginal_reasearch stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Template:Original reasearch|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Original reasearch closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:Original reasearch|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Original reasearch closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Template:Original reasearch|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Original reasearch closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Delete. Not a good idea to support typographical errors in the maintenance template space. UnitedStatesian (talk) 00:18, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. If people took the idea of creating these seriously, we'd have tens of thousands of redirects no one needs. Having these around also makes maintenance more difficult.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  00:41, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
• Keep all. Template:R with possibilties, which I created nearly four years ago because either I or another editor actually had used that spelling to call the template, can be considered a common misspelling. I've created many redirects in several namespaces for that reason, and they can all be considered to be common misspellings. These redirects certainly do no harm as cited by those who've used WP:COSTLY, and, in my humble opinion, they serve an important purpose for those readers who search on Wikipedia. Paine Ellsworth, ed.  ^put'r there  00:46, 21 December 2018 (UTC) 22:00, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:COSTLY, it takes just as much time to fix such a typo as it does to create such a redirect, keeping these would simply encourage the creation of similar redirects. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 06:46, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
• Delete but consider {{tlx|R possible}} if you really want some more useful alias for that AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:51, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
• Keep 4 and 5, with no comment on the others. "Seperate" is always a plausible mistake for "separate" (and {{tl|Separate article}} is a working redirect to the "Seperate" title's target), and I've seen "reasearch" far more times than I can count. Someone demonstrated that my creation of {{tl|relfist}} was problematic, since bots look for the existence of {{tl|reflist}} and add it when neither it nor other reference-placement code is present; however, these templates aren't being added by bots, and I can't envision a situation in which they're significantly problematic. Template-dating bots already know how to convert redirects to current names; I've often seen {{tl|cn}} or {{tl|fact}} get bot-converted to {{tl|citation needed}}, for example. Nyttend (talk) 04:00, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

• Delete all per nom. Spelling mistakes in template redirects such as these specific examples are just unhelpful and WP:COSTLY. Steel1943 (talk) 18:45, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
• Keep all common spelling mistakes in template redirects are very good examples of useful redirects that aid editors improving the encyclopaedia. They impose no maintenance burdon (they don't have to be fixed, and if the target templates get moved a bot will fix the double redirects without human effort) so they are harmless and WP:CHEAP. Deletion will not bring any benefits to anybody. Thryduulf (talk) 18:51, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
• Keep per the points made by {{u|Thryduulf}} above. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:18, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
• For Info a previous similar discussion that reached delete consensus is at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 20#Template:Redirect form stage name UnitedStatesian (talk) 01:45, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Anceney, Montana }} → :Gallatin County, Montana  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anceney,_Montana&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-20&end=2018-12-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Anceney%2C_Montana stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Anceney, Montana|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Anceney, Montana closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Anceney, Montana|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Anceney, Montana closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Anceney, Montana|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Anceney, Montana closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Arrow Lake (Montana) }} → :Gallatin County, Montana  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arrow_Lake_(Montana)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-20&end=2018-12-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Arrow_Lake_%28Montana%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Arrow Lake (Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Arrow Lake (Montana) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Arrow Lake (Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Arrow Lake (Montana) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Arrow Lake (Montana)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Arrow Lake (Montana) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Buffalo Horn Pass }} → :Gallatin County, Montana  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Buffalo_Horn_Pass&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-20&end=2018-12-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Buffalo_Horn_Pass stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Buffalo Horn Pass|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Buffalo Horn Pass closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Buffalo Horn Pass|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Buffalo Horn Pass closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Buffalo Horn Pass|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Buffalo Horn Pass closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Cascade Lakes (Montana) }} → :Gallatin County, Montana  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cascade_Lakes_(Montana)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-20&end=2018-12-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Cascade_Lakes_%28Montana%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Cascade Lakes (Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Cascade Lakes (Montana) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Cascade Lakes (Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Cascade Lakes (Montana) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Cascade Lakes (Montana)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Cascade Lakes (Montana) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Crescent Lake (Montana) }} → :Gallatin County, Montana  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Crescent_Lake_(Montana)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-20&end=2018-12-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Crescent_Lake_%28Montana%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Crescent Lake (Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Crescent Lake (Montana) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Crescent Lake (Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Crescent Lake (Montana) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Crescent Lake (Montana)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Crescent Lake (Montana) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Crystal Lake (Montana) }} → :Gallatin County, Montana  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Crystal_Lake_(Montana)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-20&end=2018-12-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Crystal_Lake_%28Montana%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Crystal Lake (Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Crystal Lake (Montana) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Crystal Lake (Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Crystal Lake (Montana) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Crystal Lake (Montana)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Crystal Lake (Montana) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Deer Lake (Montana) }} → :Gallatin County, Montana  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deer_Lake_(Montana)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-20&end=2018-12-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Deer_Lake_%28Montana%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Deer Lake (Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Deer Lake (Montana) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Deer Lake (Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Deer Lake (Montana) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Deer Lake (Montana)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Deer Lake (Montana) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Flathead Pass }} → :Gallatin County, Montana  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Flathead_Pass&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-20&end=2018-12-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Flathead_Pass stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Flathead Pass|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Flathead Pass closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Flathead Pass|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Flathead Pass closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Flathead Pass|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Flathead Pass closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Gallatin Valley Railway }} → :Gallatin County, Montana  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gallatin_Valley_Railway&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-20&end=2018-12-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Gallatin_Valley_Railway stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Gallatin Valley Railway|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Gallatin Valley Railway closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Gallatin Valley Railway|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Gallatin Valley Railway closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Gallatin Valley Railway|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Gallatin Valley Railway closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Johnson Lake (Gallatin County, Montana) }} → :Gallatin County, Montana  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Johnson_Lake_(Gallatin_County,_Montana)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-20&end=2018-12-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Johnson_Lake_%28Gallatin_County%2C_Montana%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Johnson Lake (Gallatin County, Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Johnson Lake (Gallatin County, Montana) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Johnson Lake (Gallatin County, Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Johnson Lake (Gallatin County, Montana) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Johnson Lake (Gallatin County, Montana)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Johnson Lake (Gallatin County, Montana) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Lake of the Pines (Montana) }} → :Gallatin County, Montana  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lake_of_the_Pines_(Montana)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-20&end=2018-12-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Lake_of_the_Pines_%28Montana%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Lake of the Pines (Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Lake of the Pines (Montana) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Lake of the Pines (Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Lake of the Pines (Montana) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Lake of the Pines (Montana)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Lake of the Pines (Montana) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Lava Lake (Montana) }} → :Gallatin County, Montana  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lava_Lake_(Montana)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-20&end=2018-12-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Lava_Lake_%28Montana%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Lava Lake (Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Lava Lake (Montana) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Lava Lake (Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Lava Lake (Montana) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Lava Lake (Montana)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Lava Lake (Montana) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Marble Lake }} → :Gallatin County, Montana  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marble_Lake&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-20&end=2018-12-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Marble_Lake stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Marble Lake|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Marble Lake closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Marble Lake|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Marble Lake closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Marble Lake|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Marble Lake closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Meadow Lake (Montana) }} → :Gallatin County, Montana  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meadow_Lake_(Montana)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-20&end=2018-12-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Meadow_Lake_%28Montana%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Meadow Lake (Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Meadow Lake (Montana) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Meadow Lake (Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Meadow Lake (Montana) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Meadow Lake (Montana)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Meadow Lake (Montana) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Moon Lake (Montana) }} → :Gallatin County, Montana  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moon_Lake_(Montana)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-20&end=2018-12-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Moon_Lake_%28Montana%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Moon Lake (Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Moon Lake (Montana) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Moon Lake (Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Moon Lake (Montana) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Moon Lake (Montana)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Moon Lake (Montana) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Park Lake (Montana) }} → :Gallatin County, Montana  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Park_Lake_(Montana)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-20&end=2018-12-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Park_Lake_%28Montana%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Park Lake (Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Park Lake (Montana) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Park Lake (Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Park Lake (Montana) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Park Lake (Montana)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Park Lake (Montana) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Pine Lake (Montana) }} → :Gallatin County, Montana  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pine_Lake_(Montana)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-20&end=2018-12-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Pine_Lake_%28Montana%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Pine Lake (Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Pine Lake (Montana) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Pine Lake (Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Pine Lake (Montana) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Pine Lake (Montana)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Pine Lake (Montana) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Rose Lake (Montana) }} → :Gallatin County, Montana  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rose_Lake_(Montana)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-20&end=2018-12-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Rose_Lake_%28Montana%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Rose Lake (Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Rose Lake (Montana) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Rose Lake (Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Rose Lake (Montana) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Rose Lake (Montana)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Rose Lake (Montana) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Sappington, Montana }} → :Gallatin County, Montana  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sappington,_Montana&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-20&end=2018-12-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Sappington%2C_Montana stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Sappington, Montana|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Sappington, Montana closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Sappington, Montana|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Sappington, Montana closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Sappington, Montana|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Sappington, Montana closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Trident, Montana }} → :Gallatin County, Montana  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trident,_Montana&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-20&end=2018-12-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Trident%2C_Montana stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Trident, Montana|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Trident, Montana closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Trident, Montana|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Trident, Montana closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Trident, Montana|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Trident, Montana closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Turquoise Lake (Montana) }} → :Gallatin County, Montana  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turquoise_Lake_(Montana)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-20&end=2018-12-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Turquoise_Lake_%28Montana%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Turquoise Lake (Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Turquoise Lake (Montana) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Turquoise Lake (Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Turquoise Lake (Montana) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Turquoise Lake (Montana)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Turquoise Lake (Montana) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Twin Lakes (Gallatin County, Montana) }} → :Gallatin County, Montana  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Twin_Lakes_(Gallatin_County,_Montana)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-20&end=2018-12-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Twin_Lakes_%28Gallatin_County%2C_Montana%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Twin Lakes (Gallatin County, Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Twin Lakes (Gallatin County, Montana) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Twin Lakes (Gallatin County, Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Twin Lakes (Gallatin County, Montana) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Twin Lakes (Gallatin County, Montana)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Twin Lakes (Gallatin County, Montana) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Windy Pass (Gallatin County, Montana) }} → :Gallatin County, Montana  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Windy_Pass_(Gallatin_County,_Montana)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-20&end=2018-12-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Windy_Pass_%28Gallatin_County%2C_Montana%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Windy Pass (Gallatin County, Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Windy Pass (Gallatin County, Montana) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Windy Pass (Gallatin County, Montana)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Windy Pass (Gallatin County, Montana) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Windy Pass (Gallatin County, Montana)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Windy Pass (Gallatin County, Montana) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

None of these places are mentioned at the target article. Most, if not all, of these should be presumed notable and should be deleted per WP:REDLINK to encourage creation of proper articles on these places. -- Tavix ^(talk) 19:44, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

• Delete per nom and WP:REDLINK. Catrìona (talk) 17:13, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

• Delete all per above. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 18:05, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
• Keep Someone just added a lot of information at Gallatin County, Montana#Communities, which substantially overlaps with this list, so the original rationale ("None of these places are mentioned at the target article") is invalid. WhatamIdoing (talk) 11:25, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
• I don't think any reasonable person would call 2 out of 23 a "substantial overlap". My rationale hinges on WP:REDLINK: these places should have their own articles instead of being redirected to a place that doesn't leave the searcher with much, if any, information on this place. A redlink, on the other hand, shows a reader that an article on the term is wanted. -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:42, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
• How sure are you that all of these should have their own articles? Keep in mind that nearly every community in the US was bot-created with US census data, so if these don't exist, when we definitely know that we don't have population data or other typical sources. "Turquoise Lake", for example, appears to be one of six fishing spots along a hiking trail. I doubt that a separate article on that lake is warranted, much less actively wanted. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:29, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
• WP:GEOLAND. If not an article, there should be some kind of information on these places. If, for example, the hiking trail you mention had an article, describing the lakes along this trail would be satisfactory and a redirect there would be fine. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:35, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
• Weak keep {{No redirect|Sappington, Montana}} and {{No redirect|Trident, Montana}} as now mentioned ("Weak keep" per WP:REDLINK.) Delete the rest since they are still not mentioned. Steel1943 (talk) 18:51, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
• Delete all. Redirects are useless if their target does not mention them. Ajf773 (talk) 19:44, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

• {{no redirect|1 = List of nontheists }} → :Lists of atheists  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_nontheists stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of nontheists|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Lists of nontheists }} → :Lists of atheists  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lists_of_nontheists&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Lists_of_nontheists stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Lists of nontheists|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Lists of nontheists closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Lists of nontheists|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Lists of nontheists closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Lists of nontheists|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Lists of nontheists closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of nontheists (activists and educators) }} → :List of atheist activists and educators  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(activists_and_educators)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_nontheists_%28activists_and_educators%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (activists and educators)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (activists and educators) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (activists and educators)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (activists and educators) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (activists and educators)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (activists and educators) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of nontheists (authors) }} → :List of atheist authors  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(authors)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_nontheists_%28authors%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (authors)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (authors) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (authors)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (authors) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (authors)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (authors) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of nontheists (film, radio, television and theater) }} → :List of atheists in film, radio, television and theater  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(film,_radio,_television_and_theater)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_nontheists_%28film%2C_radio%2C_television_and_theater%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (film, radio, television and theater)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (film, radio, television and theater) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (film, radio, television and theater)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (film, radio, television and theater) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (film, radio, television and theater)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (film, radio, television and theater) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of nontheists (miscellaneous) }} → :List of atheists (miscellaneous)  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(miscellaneous)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_nontheists_%28miscellaneous%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (miscellaneous)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (miscellaneous) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (miscellaneous)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (miscellaneous) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (miscellaneous)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (miscellaneous) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of nontheists (music) }} → :List of atheists in music  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(music)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_nontheists_%28music%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (music)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (music) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (music)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (music) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (music)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (music) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of nontheists (philosophy) }} → :List of atheist philosophers  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(philosophy)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_nontheists_%28philosophy%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (philosophy)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (philosophy) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (philosophy)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (philosophy) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (philosophy)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (philosophy) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of nontheists (politics and law) }} → :List of atheists in politics and law  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(politics_and_law)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_nontheists_%28politics_and_law%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (politics and law)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (politics and law) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (politics and law)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (politics and law) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (politics and law)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (politics and law) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of nontheists (science and technology) }} → :List of atheists in science and technology  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(science_and_technology)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_nontheists_%28science_and_technology%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (science and technology)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (science and technology) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (science and technology)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (science and technology) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (science and technology)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (science and technology) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of nontheists (surnames A to B) }} → :List of atheists (surnames A to B)  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(surnames_A_to_B)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_nontheists_%28surnames_A_to_B%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (surnames A to B)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (surnames A to B) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (surnames A to B)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (surnames A to B) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (surnames A to B)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (surnames A to B) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of nontheists (surnames C to D) }} → :List of atheists (surnames C to D)  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(surnames_C_to_D)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_nontheists_%28surnames_C_to_D%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (surnames C to D)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (surnames C to D) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (surnames C to D)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (surnames C to D) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (surnames C to D)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (surnames C to D) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of nontheists (surnames E to G) }} → :List of atheists (surnames E to G)  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(surnames_E_to_G)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_nontheists_%28surnames_E_to_G%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (surnames E to G)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (surnames E to G) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (surnames E to G)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (surnames E to G) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (surnames E to G)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (surnames E to G) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of nontheists (surnames H to K) }} → :List of atheists (surnames H to K)  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(surnames_H_to_K)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_nontheists_%28surnames_H_to_K%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (surnames H to K)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (surnames H to K) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (surnames H to K)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (surnames H to K) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (surnames H to K)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (surnames H to K) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of nontheists (surnames L to M) }} → :List of atheists (surnames L to M)  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(surnames_L_to_M)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_nontheists_%28surnames_L_to_M%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (surnames L to M)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (surnames L to M) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (surnames L to M)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (surnames L to M) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (surnames L to M)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (surnames L to M) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of nontheists (surnames N to Q) }} → :List of atheists (surnames N to Q)  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(surnames_N_to_Q)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_nontheists_%28surnames_N_to_Q%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (surnames N to Q)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (surnames N to Q) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (surnames N to Q)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (surnames N to Q) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (surnames N to Q)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (surnames N to Q) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of nontheists (surnames R to S) }} → :List of atheists (surnames R to S)  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(surnames_R_to_S)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_nontheists_%28surnames_R_to_S%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (surnames R to S)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (surnames R to S) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (surnames R to S)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (surnames R to S) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (surnames R to S)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (surnames R to S) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of nontheists (surnames T to Z) }} → :List of atheists (surnames T to Z)  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nontheists_(surnames_T_to_Z)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_nontheists_%28surnames_T_to_Z%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (surnames T to Z)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (surnames T to Z) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (surnames T to Z)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (surnames T to Z) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of nontheists (surnames T to Z)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of nontheists (surnames T to Z) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Nontheism is not exclusive to Atheism, meaning that the scope as defined by these redirects is broader than the scope of their target articles. Steel1943 (talk) 17:43, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

• Keep all. I appreciate the logic of the nomination rationale, but readers looking for these lists may start by looking for the redirect name, which is in effect a redirect from an alternative name, even if that goes against the actual definition of nontheism. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:33, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
• ...Considering that Atheism and Nontheism are two separate articles, these redirects also have an WP:XY issue unless the scope of the target pages are updated. That, and per the definition we have for Nontheism, not all nontheists are atheists, which leaves all of these redirects telling our readers the opposite (all nontheists are atheists), which is wrong. Steel1943 (talk) 22:31, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
• I don't feel very strongly about the other related redirect discussions on this page, but here I think there is really a serious argument against deletion. It's fine to say that nontheism is not atheism, which is true, but saying it does not make all notable persons obey what Wikipedia tells them to do. There are notable persons who self-describe in all manner of idiosyncratic ways, and our policies regarding fidelity to source material should take precedence over redirection guidelines. It's not like page subjects obediently segregate themselves according to our definitions, and we have to go by what the sources about those persons say. I don't feel too strongly about the other nominations, about "atheists, agnostics, and nontheists", because those lengthy redirect titles are not all that useful as search terms. But it's entirely realistic to expect some readers to come to Wikipedia, and search using the term "nontheism" or "nontheist", and it's better to redirect them to the atheism pages than to present them with an empty search result. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:07, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
• Your comment sounds more like rationale to nominate Nontheism or Atheism for WP:AFD (not really sure which one), but then the result being to either merge or redirect the nominated page to the other. The reason I say that is that if the lines of distinguishing the subjects really are that blurry, they should be at/in the same article. However, at the present time, they are not, which leaves these redirects in a state that is similar to redirecting Number to 10 (an example of a higher-level topic redirecting to a lower-level topic, which is not the case in this hypothetical scenario and doesn’t happen that often in practice since the redirect in this hypothetical case would essentially be eligible for deletion per WP:REDLINK since there would be huge potential for an article to cover the subject “Number”.) Steel1943 (talk) 02:34, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
• No matter what it sounds like, I guess I'm coming from a place of wanting to make things accessible to our readers, as opposed to following a rigid set of "rules". I think some of the ideas below about disambiguation and lists of lists sound very promising, although I don't think they can be decided entirely here. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:04, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
• I share a similar goal of wanting to ensure that our readers are able to locate what they are looking for when they request it. Quite frankly, it’s been my primary goal during the almost half-a-decade I’ve been actively editing. It's just in this case (as it stands), it’s somewhat misleading and could confuse some due to the target not containing all the information that the redirects are basically telling they will find when they look up these terms. (IMO regarding the "rule" comment: In most cases, I’ve found that "guidelines" [and sometimes "essays"] are created based on what the community has found to be consensus on a regular basis, but again, that’s just my opinion since I’ve also found sometimes that a guideline or essay doesn’t apply to all cases, and then I WP:IAR for the better of our readers if I believe that my action will have next-to-no chance of being challenged.) But yes, the list idea below is something I think will help readers find what they are looking for since it will give them options of what they are intending to locate when they look up the ambiguous terms (but specifically only the first two redirects in this nomination.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:28, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
• Delete, this is covered in multiple places. List of agnostics would be another valid list of nonthesists. -- Tavix ^(talk) 22:11, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

:*Convert Lists of nontheists into a list of lists, retarget List of nontheists there, and delete the rest. I knew this wasn't a candidate for disambiugating, but a list of lists is feasible, especially considering there are more lists than I had envisioned. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:10, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

• Disambiguate between Lists of atheists, List of agnostics, List of secular humanists, and List of converts to nontheism. feminist (talk) 08:14, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
• ...Maybe convert {{No redirect|Lists of nontheists}} into a “list of lists” page as referenced above, and retarget {{No redirect|List of nontheists}} there? (But, delete the rest since the page would not have precise sections as named by the other redirects?) ({{Ping|Nyttend|Nyttend backup}} Reading your comment below, any thoughts on this?) Steel1943 (talk) 16:58, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
• No opinion; I just don't want to have entirely unambiguous titles replaced with disambiguation pages. Nyttend (talk) 19:51, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
• Partly disagree with Feminist. What would you possibly disambiguate with List of nontheists (surnames L to M), for example? Maybe list of nontheists would be disambiguateable, but some of the others have to be kept or deleted. Nyttend backup (talk) 16:40, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
• These can either be deleted or kept. feminist (talk) 03:45, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

• {{no redirect|1 = List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists }} → :Lists of atheists  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_atheists%2C_agnostics_and_other_nontheists stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (science and technology) }} → :List of atheists in science and technology  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(science_and_technology)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_atheists%2C_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_%28science_and_technology%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (science and technology)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (science and technology) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (science and technology)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (science and technology) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (science and technology)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (science and technology) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (authors) }} → :List of atheist authors  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(authors)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_atheists%2C_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_%28authors%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (authors)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (authors) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (authors)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (authors) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (authors)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (authors) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (activists and educators) }} → :List of atheist activists and educators  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(activists_and_educators)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_atheists%2C_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_%28activists_and_educators%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (activists and educators)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (activists and educators) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (activists and educators)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (activists and educators) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (activists and educators)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (activists and educators) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (film, radio, television and theater) }} → :List of atheists in film, radio, television and theater  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(film,_radio,_television_and_theater)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_atheists%2C_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_%28film%2C_radio%2C_television_and_theater%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (film, radio, television and theater)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (film, radio, television and theater) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (film, radio, television and theater)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (film, radio, television and theater) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (film, radio, television and theater)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (film, radio, television and theater) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (miscellaneous) }} → :List of atheists (miscellaneous)  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(miscellaneous)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_atheists%2C_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_%28miscellaneous%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (miscellaneous)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (miscellaneous) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (miscellaneous)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (miscellaneous) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (miscellaneous)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (miscellaneous) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (music) }} → :List of atheists in music  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(music)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_atheists%2C_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_%28music%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (music)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (music) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (music)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (music) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (music)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (music) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (philosophy) }} → :List of atheist philosophers  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(philosophy)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_atheists%2C_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_%28philosophy%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (philosophy)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (philosophy) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (philosophy)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (philosophy) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (philosophy)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (philosophy) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (politics and law) }} → :List of atheists in politics and law  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(politics_and_law)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_atheists%2C_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_%28politics_and_law%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (politics and law)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (politics and law) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (politics and law)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (politics and law) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (politics and law)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (politics and law) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames A to B) }} → :List of atheists (surnames A to B)  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(surnames_A_to_B)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_atheists%2C_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_%28surnames_A_to_B%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames A to B)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames A to B) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames A to B)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames A to B) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames A to B)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames A to B) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames C to D) }} → :List of atheists (surnames C to D)  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(surnames_C_to_D)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_atheists%2C_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_%28surnames_C_to_D%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames C to D)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames C to D) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames C to D)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames C to D) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames C to D)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames C to D) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames E to G) }} → :List of atheists (surnames E to G)  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(surnames_E_to_G)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_atheists%2C_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_%28surnames_E_to_G%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames E to G)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames E to G) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames E to G)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames E to G) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames E to G)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames E to G) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames H to K) }} → :List of atheists (surnames H to K)  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(surnames_H_to_K)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_atheists%2C_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_%28surnames_H_to_K%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames H to K)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames H to K) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames H to K)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames H to K) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames H to K)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames H to K) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames L to M) }} → :List of atheists (surnames L to M)  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(surnames_L_to_M)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_atheists%2C_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_%28surnames_L_to_M%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames L to M)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames L to M) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames L to M)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames L to M) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames L to M)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames L to M) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames N to Q) }} → :List of atheists (surnames N to Q)  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(surnames_N_to_Q)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_atheists%2C_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_%28surnames_N_to_Q%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames N to Q)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames N to Q) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames N to Q)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames N to Q) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames N to Q)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames N to Q) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames R to S) }} → :List of atheists (surnames R to S)  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(surnames_R_to_S)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_atheists%2C_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_%28surnames_R_to_S%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames R to S)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames R to S) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames R to S)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames R to S) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames R to S)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames R to S) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames T to Z) }} → :List of atheists (surnames T to Z)  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_atheists,_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_(surnames_T_to_Z)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-12&end=2018-12-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_atheists%2C_agnostics_and_other_nontheists_%28surnames_T_to_Z%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames T to Z)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames T to Z) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames T to Z)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames T to Z) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames T to Z)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of atheists, agnostics and other nontheists (surnames T to Z) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Considering that agnostics and nontheists are not part of the target lists/subjects (the target lists are exclusive to atheists), these redirects are misleading in the spirit of WP:XY. In addition, the scope of the redirects is much broader than the scope of their target pages. Steel1943 (talk) 17:16, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

• Keep all. Unless we are going to create separate lists for the agnostics and nontheists, readers looking for these topics need to be able to find the most relevant list. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:33, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
• ::*...Considering that all nontheists are not atheists and agnostics are not atheists, these lists aren’t relevant to the redirects at all. In fact, since there are no agnostics on the targets lists, these redirects lead to a WP:SURPRISE and mislead our readers into thinking the lists contain these three subjects, which they do not. Steel1943 (talk) 22:35, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
• :::*I do acknowledge that any reader searching for "atheists, agnostics, and...." will get "atheists" showing up in the search box first, so that makes these redirects somewhat less than useful to readers. I don't feel strongly here. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:10, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
• Also, although I realize it was some time ago and consensus can change, there was extensive discussion at Talk:Lists of atheists#Proposal to rename to "List of atheists, agnostics, and nontheists" and Talk:List of atheist philosophers/Archive 1#This list. One of the problems one encounters in the topic area is that some persons listed describe themselves in ways that span more than one of these groups. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:59, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
• Delete all per WP:XY. These are different topics and treated differently since List of agnostics exists. -- Tavix ^(talk) 22:09, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

• {{no redirect|1 = Henan dialect }} → :Central Plains Mandarin  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henan_dialect&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-02&end=2018-12-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Henan_dialect stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Henan dialect|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Henan dialect closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Henan dialect|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Henan dialect closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Henan dialect|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Henan dialect closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

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• Comment For anyone who overlooks the ruby characters or can't easily read them: the inscription says Wrong redirection. Please refer to Henan dialect on Chinese Wikipedia. The Central Plains Mandarin is a Chinese dialect widely distributed in north central China, not unique to Henan, and Henan also distributes some non-Central Plains Mandarin Chinese dialects such as Jin Chinese. Nyttend (talk) 00:44, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
• 简而言之，河南话和中原官话并非同一个概念，尽管他们有重叠。我认为，河南话应该介绍的是河南境内的汉语方言，而不是重定向到中原官话。这个页面上的河北话同理。Ngguls (talk) 05:20, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
• Translation of above comment: {{tq|In simple terms, Henan dialect and Central Plains Mandarin are not the same concept, although they overlap. I think that what Henan dialect should discuss is Chinese dialects in Henan, rather than redirecting to Central Plains Mandarin. The same applies to Hebei dialect on this page.}} 59.149.124.29 (talk) 06:57, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. Inaccurate scope. feminist (talk) 04:15, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
• Keep. Despite the nominator's statement, :zh:河南話 shows that "Henan dialect" (a reasonably direct translation of "河南話") refers to a geographically defined dialect subgroup of Central Plains Mandarin. The fact that some areas of Henan speak Jin Chinese rather than Central Plains Mandarin does not stop the Central Plains dialect from being primary topic. Deryck C. 11:14, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

• {{no redirect|1 = Wheelbench }} → :Wheelchair  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wheelbench&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-11-17&end=2018-12-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Wheelbench stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Wheelbench|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wheelbench closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Wheelbench|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wheelbench closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Wheelbench|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wheelbench closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

No subject in any article regarding this redirect title. Not notable and therefor should be deleted. The redirect was originally its own article and there was discussion to merge it with wheelchair. Since that time, the information and subsection of the wheelchair article has been removed due to lack of notability. Steve Lux, Jr. (talk) 17:11, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

• Keep. This redirect's history is part of the history of the wheelchair article; for legal reasons, this must not be deleted. Moving it to some random title, e.g. Talk:Wheelchair/Wheelbench, can be appropriate, although of course that shouldn't be done unless there's consensus that wheelbench is an inappropriate redirect. Nyttend (talk) 04:20, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
• How about moving the history to Wheelchair (chair)? Sure, it’s redundant, but it’s not inaccurate. Steel1943 (talk) 08:14, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
• I would be opposed to that becuase the history would no longer relate to the title. The history of the redirect is about wheelbenches, not wheelchairs. -- Tavix ^(talk) 00:29, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
• Delete. I just did some digging and I agree with the "delete" side at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wheelbench. The sourcing is simply not there to add anything verifiable to Wheelchair. A merge was quickly undone; with no content from the merge remaining at the target, this can be safely deleted without violating WP:MAD. -- Tavix ^(talk) 01:21, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

• Delete per Tavix’s findings. Steel1943 (talk) 18:42, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
• Delete per Tavix. Thryduulf (talk) 18:53, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Buraq Express }} → :Pakistan Railways  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Buraq_Express&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-12-01&end=2018-12-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Buraq_Express stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Buraq Express|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Buraq Express closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Buraq Express|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Buraq Express closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Buraq Express|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Buraq Express closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]

• {{no redirect|1 = Bahawalpur Express }} → :Pakistan Railways  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bahawalpur_Express&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-12-01&end=2018-12-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Bahawalpur_Express stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Bahawalpur Express|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Bahawalpur Express closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Bahawalpur Express|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Bahawalpur Express closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Bahawalpur Express|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Bahawalpur Express closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Not mentioned in the article. Like other entries in :Template:Named passenger trains of Pakistan, a redlink would be better than a redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:20, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

• Delete per nom.--RekishiEJ (talk) 12:00, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 21:21, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Frank Adonis }} → :Joe Adonis  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Frank_Adonis&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-12-01&end=2018-12-30&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Frank_Adonis stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Frank Adonis|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Frank Adonis closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Frank Adonis|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Frank Adonis closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Frank Adonis|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Frank Adonis closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

There is no evidence that Frank and Joe Adonis were related. WWGB (talk) 01:45, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

• Delete as misleading per nom. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 03:31, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
• Delete redirect. There is no evidence of connection between the two. One was a gangster/convicted criminal. The other was an actor. Both deserve Wikipedia articles in their own right. Rangasyd (talk) 07:10, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
• Delete. I've seen some sketchy evidence to support the theory they were related, but even then per WP:REDLINK I couldn't really support this redirect. Nohomersryan (talk) 09:26, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

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