Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 March 3#Homosexual pornography

• {{no redirect|1 = Property market }} → :Real estate  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Property_market&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2019-02-01&end=2019-03-02&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Property_market stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Property market|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Property market closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Property market|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Property market closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Property market|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Property market closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Redirect term not mentioned in target article, and not apparently identifiable as being synonymous with the latter's lemma. Hildeoc (talk) 21:52, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

• Retarget to Real estate economics. feminist (talk) 10:15, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

:{{re|Feminist}} Then, ideally, it should be taken care that the term "property market" is mentioned there, as per WP:R#PLA.--Hildeoc (talk) 15:39, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

::In the context of a "property market", "property" typically refers to Real property, which is synonymous with Real estate. It follows that an article that explains real estate markets is one that a reader searching for "property market" would find useful. feminist (talk) 15:56, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

• Retarget per Feminist. At least in the UK, "Property market" is very nearly synonymous with "housing market" which redirects to Real estate economics and is used in several places in that article without the need for explanation. Someone searching this term will not be surprised by to arrive at that target. Thryduulf (talk) 19:09, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = 越裔美國人 }} → :Vietnamese Americans  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E8%B6%8A%E8%A3%94%E7%BE%8E%E5%9C%8B%E4%BA%BA&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2019-02-01&end=2019-03-02&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=%E8%B6%8A%E8%A3%94%E7%BE%8E%E5%9C%8B%E4%BA%BA stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:越裔美國人|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#越裔美國人 closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:越裔美國人|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#越裔美國人 closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:越裔美國人|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#越裔美國人 closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Inappropriate WP:FORRED, no affinity with the Chinese language. feminist (talk) 13:16, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 20:29, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Qingshang }} → :Gyeongsang Province  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Qingshang&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2019-02-01&end=2019-03-02&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Qingshang stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Qingshang|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Qingshang closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Qingshang|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Qingshang closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Qingshang|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Qingshang closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Target is not called Qingshang in English. I attempted to make this into a disambiguation page for things which are actually called Qingshang in English, but was reverted. In any case I am fine with this being deleted too as the two topics actually called Qingshang in English have very little coverage in English Wikipedia. Or in theory it could be retargetted to History of Chinese dance or Guqin tunings. But it definitely shouldn't keep redirecting to the current target. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 12:01, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:REDLINK the Korean province does not apparently go by this name, but there are passing mentions of several things that are called this (or "Qing shang") about which we don't have articles yet. If this is a blue link of any sort though then it needs a see also or a {{temp|Distinguish}} hatnote to the Qingshan disambiguation page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thryduulf (talk • contribs) 12:41, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

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• Redirect Homosexual pornography to Same-sex pornography
• Redirect Homosexual porn to Same-sex pornography
• Disambig Same-sex pornography

: (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 11:15, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

• {{no redirect|1 = Homosexual pornography }} → :Gay pornography  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Homosexual_pornography&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2019-02-01&end=2019-03-02&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Homosexual_pornography stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Homosexual pornography|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Homosexual pornography closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Homosexual pornography|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Homosexual pornography closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Homosexual pornography|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Homosexual pornography closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]

• {{no redirect|1 = Homosexual porn }} → :Gay pornography  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Homosexual_porn&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2019-02-01&end=2019-03-02&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Homosexual_porn stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Homosexual porn|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Homosexual porn closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Homosexual porn|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Homosexual porn closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Homosexual porn|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Homosexual porn closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]

• {{no redirect|1 = Same-sex pornography }} → :Gay pornography  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Same-sex_pornography&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2019-02-01&end=2019-03-02&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Same-sex_pornography stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Same-sex pornography|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Same-sex pornography closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:same-sex pornography|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Same-sex pornography closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Same-sex pornography|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Same-sex pornography closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

The redirect that is the title of this discussion (homosexual pornography) currently points to gay pornography, which exclusively deals with the subject of male homosexual pornography, completely ignoring female homosexual pornography. I propose that this redirect be made into a disambiguation page with two entries: one for gay pornography and another for lesbian pornography (a subsection of lesbian erotica). Additionally, the sister redirects of the above (same-sex pornography and homosexual porn) should be changed to point to the proposed disambiguation page. Alternatively, same-sex pornography could be made the disambiguation page, and the remaining redirects retargeted instead. 114.75.69.38 (talk) 06:40, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

• Disambiguate. I actually really agree with the IP here. We should create a page (either DAB or otherwise) for Same-sex pornography since that is what people are trying to go with that search. This concludes my Ted Talk. ―MattLongCT -Talk-^☖ 07:15, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
• Disambiguate at Same-sex pornography and redirect the other titles there per the nominator. Pornography doesn't have a sexuality itself and neither gay nor lesbian pornography is exclusively by or for homosexual people. Thryduulf (talk) 11:12, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Cartoon network original series and movies }} → :List of programs broadcast by Cartoon Network  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cartoon_network_original_series_and_movies&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-12-30&end=2019-01-28&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Cartoon_network_original_series_and_movies stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Cartoon network original series and movies|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Cartoon network original series and movies closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Cartoon network original series and movies|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Cartoon network original series and movies closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Cartoon network original series and movies|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Cartoon network original series and movies closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Redundant, pointless redirect. Cartoon Network original series and movies already exists. Paper Luigi ^{T • C} 12:13, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

• Keep - a perfectly normal and perfectly harmless {{temp|R from incorrect capitalisation}}. Redirects like this one enable users to find articles they are looking for when using case sensitive methods of searching and browsing Wikipedia. Thryduulf (talk) 13:52, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

• Delete the Cartoon Network original series link is good enough. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:43, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

• :Just because other redirects exist is not a reason to delete this one - it is a perfectly plausible way to find what is obviously the page people are looking for. Deletion will not bring any benefits. Thryduulf (talk) 13:57, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
• Keep {{tl|R from miscapitalization}}. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:02, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Media file }} → :List of file formats  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Media_file&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-12-29&end=2019-01-27&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Media_file stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Media file|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Media file closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Media file|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Media file closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Media file|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Media file closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Delete. Term not even mentioned in target. Hildeoc (talk) 12:36, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

• Retarget to MediaFile. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 18:19, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
• Comment retargeting to MediaFile would be inappropriate and cause confusion as it does not usually refer to that. Digital_container_format#Multimedia_container_formats is perhaps the best I've found so far. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 03:55, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

• Delete. This redirect is ambiguous and might cause confusion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 22:06, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
• Disambig as MediaFile, several sections at List of file formats, Digital container format#Multimedia container formats, Video file format (target of the Media file format redirect) and others are all valid targets and MediaFire probably merits a see also. Thryduulf (talk)
• Audio file format (either generally or the Audio file format#List of formats section), Timeline of audio formats, List of open-source audio codecs and Image file formats should also be part of this disambiguation. Thryduulf (talk) 17:24, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
• See also Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 February 11#Media file formats. Thryduulf (talk) 17:18, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

• Keep. While "media file" may not be explicitly mentioned, the target lists several types of media files so I do not think there is a problem with this redirect. -- Tavix ^(talk) 22:10, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
• Disambiguate per Thryduulf. I think MediaFile would be quite reasonable as a target, and it's clearly used to mean multiple other things, so I suppose a dab makes sense. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 10:10, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
• Keep and disambiguate at Media file (disambiguation). The current target is the primary topic, but this discussion has revealed other topics which can be sensibly referred to by the same title. Deryck C. 16:54, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
• Keep, as a page readers would think obvious to exist (and per Tavix). Do not redirect to MediaFile, which is very unlikely to be what the reader is looking for. A disambiguation (per Thryduulf) would be my first option. Also good a redirect to List of file formats with a hatnote back to a disambiguation - Nabla (talk) 11:26, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Wikipedia:OLD }} → :Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Old  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:OLD&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2019-02-01&end=2019-03-02&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Wikipedia%3AOLD stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:OLD|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wikipedia:OLD closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:OLD|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wikipedia:OLD closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:OLD|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wikipedia:OLD closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Why should this target AfD as opposed to CfD, FfD, TfD or any of the other forums that have a concept of discussions that should be closed after some fixed time? Delete as ambiguous. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 00:54, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

• Keep because that is where it has redirected since 2008 and we have absolutely no reason for breaking the old links, nor taking people who use it to somewhere they don't expect. What it needs is a hatnote to Wikipedia:Wikipedia's oldest articles (WP:OLDEST) and links to the CfD and FfD pages (or to a page that combines all of them if such exists), but this is nothing that requires deletion. Ambiguity is not a reason to delete a shortcut redirect - just think how many possible places WP:A could theoretically point for example (Wikipedia:Attribution, Wikipedia:Administrators, Wikipedia:Arbitration, Wikipedia:Awards, Wikipedia:Autobiography, Wikipedia:Article wizard, Wikipedia:Anonymity, etc, etc).
  Normally rationales like this aren't very strong, but we always need to be very conservative about retargetting shortcut redirects - they are frequently found in discussions (old and new) where those familiar with the acronym don't look at the target when writing or reading the comment but those who are not do. If the target is changed then miscommunication happens because different people read different meanings depending on when they learned what the target is. Additionally you have people whose workflow will be disrupted unnecessarily and sometimes confusingly if the target is changed. Thryduulf (talk) 01:24, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
• Keep Shortcuts are usually ambiguous and there is nothing wrong with that. We won't have very many shortcuts left if we trash the ambiguous ones. -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:51, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
• Keep per {{u|Thryduulf}}, and I agree that this could become some kind of disambiguation page if people are upset that it ignores CfD etc. — 🦊 22:56, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

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