. The rough consensus is that the redirect in its current state is worth keeping. There is also a consensus to remind User:Ss112 that the act of moving the redirect while the RfD was ongoing had messed up the discussion and page history, so similar unilateral moves should be avoided in the future. Deryck C. 14:21, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- {{no redirect|1 = Early 2K (song) }} → :Indigo (Chris Brown album) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Early_2K_(song)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2019-10-19&end=2019-11-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Early_2K_%28song%29 stats]) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Early 2K (song)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Early 2K (song) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Early 2K (song)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Early 2K (song) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Early 2K (song)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Early 2K (song) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]
There is already Early 2K, Early 2k both created by the same editor. This was created yesterday and serves no additional or extra advice over and above the 2 existing redirects. Richhoncho (talk) 11:16, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per {{temp|R from unnecessary disambiguation}}. "Unnecessary" is not a reason to delete a redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 13:50, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. Agree with Thryduulf. This just looks like a vindictive attempt to get a redirect deleted because I changed its name at this point. Let it go. Ss112 17:12, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
{{hat|off-topic interpersonal dispute. Thryduulf (talk) 21:35, 19 November 2019 (UTC)}}
::*{{ping|User:Ss112}}. Vindictive? Not for the first time you have made this kind of uncalled for attack. So let's recap, I nominated, Early On (Chris Brown song, which you then moved to this redirect, and deleted the original redirect for nomination. See here, so I did get 'my redirect' deleted, as opposed to what you claim above. Then I point out (and ask) how many redirects does a single non-notable song actually need? Anybody actually looking for the song will have found it long before they type (song) into the search engine. Whether people agree with me or not is not relevant and why there is a debate, opened up by me. --Richhoncho (talk) 20:05, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
:::*{{re|Richhoncho}} "Attack"? You had to again nominate the redirect for deletion (which I created, by the way, so it was never "yours"—you picking up on a mistake that I would have corrected [like I did with all the other Indigo tracks that were renamed] had I noticed it doesn't mean you got your way) like you couldn't handle not getting the original deleted through your discussion because I moved it. In all other cases you would have tagged it with "R from unnecessary disambiguation" like Thryduulf did above, as you yourself have done this previously (and I have seen you do countless times). So why didn't you do that in this case when you have done so if you've come across a redirect with unnecessary disambiguation? That looks vindictive as hell to me. So don't act like it's "uncalled for" like I just insulted you out of nowhere for no reason. Oh, and by the way, it was Early On (Chris Brown song). I didn't forget a parenthesis. I don't need to be pinged again, Richhoncho. Thanks. Ss112 21:27, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
:::*Accusing editors of being vindictive isn't an attack? It was and remains coarse, unnecessary and an attack on another editor. --Richhoncho (talk) 22:51, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
::::*Then that's your take. I don't think it's an attack, I called it like I saw it. If you don't want to be "attacked" or described as vindictive, don't do vindictive things. Your nomination of this redirect is what's really unnecessary here. Couldn't get your way the first time so you'll try it again. Also, you've attacked editors before, so don't act like a saint. Spare us. Ss112 09:26, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
:::::*But I did 'get my own way' - you deleted the redirect. Don't use words you don't understand, Vindictive is an offensive attack on another editor. Now leave it. It's here for everybody to read, who started it and who responded. End of story. --Richhoncho (talk) 11:35, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
::::::*Oh buddy, I know what vindictive means, thanks. Hilarious trying to condescend to me like we're not all sitting at computers and even if we didn't understand the meaning of words, could not easily just Google them. I will call things like I see them, and I would call it vindictive again, so stop trying to get me to stop using that word, because you can't. As I just told you but will reiterate yet again as you quite often miss the point—I missed moving that one redirect. If what I already intended to do is the same thing that you wanted, then that's not you getting your way and certainly not some kind of "victory" for you. That's just coincidence. Finally, I will not stop commenting just because you deem it the end of the story and you cannot stop me from doing so. Vindictive BS will and should be called out and you personally taking "offense" to it doesn't mean it needs to stop being said. Keep replying if you wish, I'll be back right after it with something else. Ss112 16:14, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep per Thryduulf. On a related note, I added Rcats to the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 19:06, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Delete or move back the history of Early On (Chris Brown song), which was moved to a different title out of process. If {{u|Ss112}} wished for a redirect to exist titled Early 2K (song), they should have created the redirect separately instead of intertwining it with a bad redirect. This creates the confusion we see in this discussion and muddies the history of this redirect with an unrelated RfD. -- Tavix (talk) 14:16, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- Delete This was a tough one because I was concerned of the need for attribution preservation, potentially, and {{u|Thryduulf}} made a compelling argument as well. However, it seems the actual song isn't titled this, so it's an implausible typo and it also doesn't seem to follow our naming conventions with the artist's name in parentheses. As well, {{u|Tavix}} had a slightly more compelling argument. Doug Mehus T·C 18:12, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- {{replyto|Dmehus}} Artists names in parentheses are only used when there are multiple songs with the same title that need disambiguating (compare Yesterday (Beatles song) and Help! (song).) You also appear to be mistaken about the name of the song - the track listing shows there to be called "Early 2K" on the album so there are no typos or other mistakes involved. So this is nothing other than a perfectly ordinary redirect from a song to the album it is on, meaning there is absolutely no reason for deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 19:37, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- {{replyto|Thryduulf}} Thanks, as always, for your reply. I'll consider changing my !vote, but would like to hear back from {{u|Tavix}} further on his or her rationale. Perhaps I misunderstood their rationale, or it was otherwise unclear. It's odd we have two fine administrators in disagreement with this redirect. I need further clarity before I decide whether to keep my !vote or change to "keep." Doug Mehus T·C 20:27, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- Tavix and I frequently disagree about redirects. In cases where there is no benefit at all to deletion but keeping it will help some readers I will almost always recommending keeping, whereas Tavix will usually only do so if there are an arbitrarily and inconsistently large group of readers who will benefit. Thryduulf (talk) 20:42, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- Keep I had to open up the collapsed discussion to understand Tavix's argument, but I still don't find it at all compelling. We only look at what's in front of us, and as things stand, there's absolutely nothing wrong with this redirect or its history. --BDD (talk) 15:12, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.
