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. signed, Rosguill talk 20:46, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
I wish to nominate Maan Kunwari for deletion and Princess of Amber for either deletion or conversion to Disambiguation page.
Mariam-uz-Zamani was not refer to as Maan Kunwari but as Heer Kunwari or so. And Mariam-uz-Zamani wasn't the only princess of Amber (former state of Jaipur), at least one other princess of Amber has an Wikipedia page. It does not seem right to associate "princess of Amber" with one lady but only two Princess of Amber has seem to have Wikipedia articles. I request to turn this redirect to a disambiguation page or delete it.
Manavati (talk) 17:35, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
: Agree about turning Princess of Amber (which I created as a redirect) into a disambig page if there is more than one existing WP page. Dsp13 (talk) 17:58, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:27, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- {{re|Manavati}} which is the other princess of Amber who you say has a wikipedia article? Jay (talk) 08:03, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
:: {{re|Jay}} The other princess is Manbhawati Bai (later Shah Begum), a niece and daughter-in-law of Mariam-uz-Zamani. Manavati (talk) 08:23, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
:::Ok, I was looking for "Princess of Amber" and this is "Princess of Amer" (which is actually the same). Delete given that neither of the two people are referred to in their articles with these royal titles. Delete Maan Kunwari per nom. Jay (talk) 08:41, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 06:09, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Unusual third relist since proposal for deletion has not been opposed, same as the other discussion below (which I also relisted).
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 09:59, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
- {{re|CycloneYoris}} Trying to understanding the relisting statement. If it is the deletion proposal of Maan Kunwari you are referring to, why is a third (or even first or second) relisting required to wait for someone to oppose an otherwise unopposed deletion nomination? If the "other discussion below" is #Three Powers Agreement, then isn't that a different case where both votes implicitly opposed deletion by suggesting disambiguation and retarget? Jay (talk) 07:02, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- {{re|Jay}} Because you're the only participant above that is openly supporting deletion. The nom is also suggesting deletion, but more as an alternative to disambiguating, so that's why I figured that maybe a third relist would be helpful in gaining some much needed clarity for reaching consensus. CycloneYoris talk! 07:25, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Still unclear which redirect you are referring to. Is it Maan Kunwari or Princess of Amber? The nom has different proposals for them. Jay (talk) 08:09, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- I'm referring to Princess of Amber. Maan Kunwari on the other hand has already reached consensus for deletion, so no point discussing that one. Sorry if I wasn't as clear in my relisting comment. CycloneYoris talk! 08:27, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- {{re|Dsp13}} Do you know if Mariam-uz-Zamani was referred to as Princess of Amber any time either as a title, or otherwise? Jay (talk) 08:48, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- I was following the Dictionary of Women Worldwide, online version [https://www.encyclopedia.com/women/dictionaries-thesauruses-pictures-and-press-releases/jodha-bai-d-1613 here]. Dsp13 (talk) 21:11, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Keep Princess of Amber and tag as {{t|R without mention}}. We don't know if Manbhawati Bai was referred to by this royal title. Jay (talk) 08:06, 21 April 2022 (UTC)- {{re|Jay}} The term "Princess of Amber" is simply an english term used to refer to the daughters of the King of the kingdom of Amer/Amber; just how Ottoman and Mughal princess are referred to as. Both of them might have been referred to as Kunwarisa/Baisa or a term equivalent to "Princess" but certainly none could possibly be referred by the English term "Princess" in their lifetime. Modern dictionary do mention the more famous ones as princess of certain state/country (Mariam-uz-Zamani is arguably the most famous Mughal wife to be Rajput princess whereas Manbhawati Bai is barely known to people) but the contemporary books simply refer to them as daughter of (father's name). Manavati (talk) 12:48, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- {{re|Manavati}} Given that we are at the end of the discussion after 3 relistings, what is your choice for Princess of Amber for a delete vs disambiguate? Jay (talk) 12:56, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Mariam-uz-Zamani is listed already in Category:Rajput Princesses along other Rajput princesses. I think the page for only two princesses is unnecessary, especially when these women are more famous as Mughal wives and there are several other princesses like them. It's unlikely people will search for Princess of Amber. Manavati (talk) 14:51, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- I was not particular either way, but will go with you for the consensus. I have struck off my keep vote. Note to closer: the other redirect Maan Kunwari was always Delete, and there was no argument on that. Jay (talk) 15:07, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
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