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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 10, 2022.

==Kennebunk Pier Light==

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:The result of the discussion was delete

. As unopposed deletion nomination. Jay (talk) 18:05, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Created after a deletion discussion regarding a closely related article, this is not mentioned at target. It does not appear to refer to a current lighthouse, which is what the current target is about, and there is no other content on WP to target, so deletion is in order. Mdewman6 (talk) 03:14, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

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==4.5==

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:The result of the discussion was retarget

to 4½. MBisanz talk 01:15, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

  • {{no redirect|1 = 4.5 }} → :.177 caliber  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:4.5|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#4.5 closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:4.5|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#4.5 closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:4.5|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#4.5 closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Suggest retargeting to 4½. This is too ambiguous to assume the user means 4.5 mm and is seeking the corresponding caliber diameter in inches. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:01, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment 4½ is an article about a musical release, with no hatnotes. I'm not anything else obvious that would merit even a dabmention for either 4.5 or 4½. Thryduulf (talk) 12:47, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

:: I'd add hatnotes to each aricle to redirect to the other. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 18:04, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

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  • Delete. Without "mm" this is vague and/or ambiguous. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:01, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
  • Disambiguate Treat this as the 4-5 4/5 4x5 etc base name topic disambiguator page and list them here. Since typographic convention and personal style are different in different regions, there are several things that could be indicated. Start with these two indicated topics and merge in 4/5 -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 23:53, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

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  • Keep and treat as unambiguous long-standing redirect, because no alternate suitable targets have been suggested. 4½ is a musical release per Thryduulf. I'm not convinced with IP65's 4-5 4/5 4x5 argument, unless if we have other redirects of the form Day.Month that target to Day/Month. This is different from the case of 9.11 for example, which redirects to a famous event (not a month and day) article. Jay (talk) 08:21, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

::Without a unit, "4.5" is not unambiguous by any means. I do however see it as a very plausible search term for 4½. That this article is about music and not a number or measurement or something else is irrelevant. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:19, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

:::Why is it irrelevant, when 4.5 leading to a music article will be surprising? Jay (talk) 06:31, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

::::I would not be WP:R#ASTONISHed if I searched "4.5" and reached 4½, even if it weren't what I was seeking. In contrast, if I searched "4.5" and meant anything besides 4.5 mm, I would be astonished to have reached .177 caliber. Mdewman6 (talk) 17:55, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

:::::I agree that someone searching for 4½ may enter 4.5 as the former is hard to type. In this respect I would suggest disambiguate (rather than hatnote which may confuse) with the two entries of the current and proposed targets. Jay (talk) 05:26, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Retarget to 4½ as an easier to type alternative or delete as vague due to a lack of units. -- Tavix (talk) 21:09, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Retarget to 4½. Per Mdewman6 arriving there is the least surprising option for readers. Thryduulf (talk) 16:05, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

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==Abolitionism (prostitution)==

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:The result of the discussion was retarget

to Prostitution law#Abolitionism. Jay (talk) 20:31, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

I don't think this should redirect here, as there are a number of other groups, some modern, that oppose prostitution / sex work and use the term 'abolitionism' to refer to their activities. AFreshStart (talk) 20:19, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

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==Ln(2==

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:The result of the discussion was delete

. Jay (talk) 19:43, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Implausible redirect due to an unclosed parenthesis, only 57 pageviews. 174.204.196.31 (talk) 19:13, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

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==Net carbs==

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:The result of the discussion was Delete per WP:REDLINK. There is a preference expressed for the new article to be at Net carb and a weak consensus that the other titles will be good redirects to an article once created. Thryduulf (talk) 11:23, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm honestly not entirely sure where this should redirect to because I am not particularly well versed in dieting, but net carbs is not even mentioned at Atkins diet and it confused me when I was trying to find out what the concept meant. snood1205(Say Hi! (talk)) 02:41, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment added {{-r|net carb}}, {{-r|net carbohydrates}}, and {{-r|net carbohydrate}}. Currently we have no article which defines this term; if we can agree on a target where it would be worthwhile to add a definition, this might be useful as a source: {{cite journal|first1=Barry V|last1=McCleary|first2=Ciara|last2=McLoughlin|title=Measurement of Available Carbohydrates in Cereal and Cereal Products, Dairy Products, Vegetables, Fruit, and Related Food Products and Animal Feeds|journal=Journal of AOAC International|volume=104|issue=6|date=2021|pages=1465–1478|doi=10.1093/jaoacint/qsab019}} 61.239.39.90 (talk) 21:23, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
  • Stubify, seems like it could have a stub article on its own, so it's no longer tied to a specific diet. [https://www.today.com/health/what-are-net-carbs-should-you-track-them-nutritionist-explains-t156899] but the neologism seems to have its origins in Atkins [https://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/05/business/yourmoney/is-the-lowcarb-boom-over.html] so if it is mentioned there you can keep as is. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 22:29, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

:: I like stubify personally. That seems to make sense. What page do you think should be the actual stub? I would advocate for Net carb per WP:UCRN and have the other three redirect. snood1205 14:35, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

::: {{u| Snood1205 }}, I would say net carb would be the most common term. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 17:36, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment: The terms only appears in one article, net carbohydrates, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=%22net+carbohydrates%22&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns0=1&searchToken=dpdoh9aj32ljwmnldfpce158n search result] or net carbs, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=%22net+carbs%22&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns0=1 search result]. The searches suggest a redirect to Western pattern diet. I could support WP:STUBIFYing , or adding something on net carbs to Western pattern diet. —¿philoserf? (talk) 11:00, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

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  • Stubify at Net carb per Angus et al. Retarget the rest to the newly created stub. CycloneYoris talk! 06:08, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Delete for now to WP:REDLINK it. While it would be nice to have a stub at the title, it's asking too much of a closer to stubify an article without having a draft ready to go. It's also not mentioned at Western pattern diet, so a retarget there would be just as confusing. -- Tavix (talk) 22:20, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

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  • Delete per Tavix.-- Aervanath (talk) 20:11, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

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==Characters (Wing Commander)==

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:The result of the discussion was delete

. As there is no suitable target. Jay (talk) 17:53, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Delete - Clearly malformed disambiguation that is an implausible search term. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 14:35, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

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==Gladius fighter==

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==ARS Editing==

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:The result of the discussion was Speedy delete as G8, target was deleted (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 21:56, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Delete. The target is the incomplete outline of a (proposed? planned?) editathon (contrary to my first thought, this is entirely unconnected with the Article Rescue Squadron). If there is any benefit to this sort of cross-namespace redirect it is only in the immediate timeframe around the event, this one does not even have an indication of the date, although every edit to the target was made on 2 April 2020. Thryduulf (talk) 14:26, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Delete This was a poorly created redirect on my part - at the time we were trying to create shortened edit-a-thon name redirects to make finding event pages easier. Sorry! Thanks - Jamie-NAL (talk) 17:15, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

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==Catalog of CSS classes==

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:The result of the discussion was delete

. Jay (talk) 17:49, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

This is a cross-namespace redirect to a very backwater project space page (an attempt to catalogue and describe all the CSS classes used on Wikipedia) that definitely is not something readers or very new editors are in need of easy access to. I don't know if this is a plausible encycloapedic redirect (that CSS class redirects to CSS#Selection suggests maybe not, but I don't know enough about the subject), but if it is then I'd prefer retargetting over deletion. The equivalent page with British English spelling has never existed in the article namespace. Thryduulf (talk) 14:00, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Delete or retarget: either deletion, or retargeting to an article in the main space; in any case, the main space and the rest of Wikipedia should be kept separated. Veverve (talk) 14:41, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:55, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Delete: I don't think it's a plausible intra-mainspace redirect; if it were, I would expect it to point to a "List of CSS classes", but, knowing CSS, I don't think trying to have such a list would make sense, because each website makes up whatever CSS classes it wants; it would be like trying to have a "List of templates used in MediaWiki wikis", but many times worse. —2d37 (talk) 02:43, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Delete WP:XNR to editor content unrelated to readership material. This is not about CSS classes outside of Wikipedia -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 04:03, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

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==AFD:T==

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:The result of the discussion was delete

. Jay (talk) 17:46, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Delete. There is no need for a pseusdo namespace shortcut to a project-space page of this nature - firstly new editors wont know to search on a term like this and will be interested in a specific AfD discussion (that may or may not have been nomianted today) rather than the log of the entire day's nominations. Experienced editors can access the same target by using WP:AFD/T or about 15 other alternative shortcut redirects. I've tried to see how well used this is or isn't, but the pageviews tool is not loading for me currently. The editor who created the redirect retired in 2020, and the only incoming link is from a 2018 database dump extract in my userspace, which will definitely not be harmed by this deletion in any way. Thryduulf (talk) 13:48, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 14:39, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

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==AFTUJ2018==

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:The result of the discussion was delete

. Jay (talk) 17:45, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Delete. There is no need for a mainspace redirect to a list of editathons from four years ago, especially one with a cyrptic acronym that I guess relates only to the first event (Art and Feminism editathon at Temple University, Japan, 2018). The page has history as Louise000's sandbox, so an alternative to deletion would be to move it back to their userspace (without leaving a redirect) if they desire. Thryduulf (talk) 13:13, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 14:43, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:55, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Delete. I concur. --Bsherr (talk) 07:11, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Delete. Hi there, these pages are related to my username, I'm not totally sure why there is a mainspace page with this title but I agree it's fine to delete. Apologies if I or someone on our project put this up in error.Louise000 (talk) 03:16, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

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==Bare URL==

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==Article probation==

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:The result of the discussion was delete

. Jay (talk) 17:37, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Delete. Article probation is a long-obsolete predecessor of discretionary sanctions that according to the target that had been fully supeceded by 2018 (my memory says it was fully obsolete by the time I was on the arbitration committee in 2015) so there is no longer any benefit to a cross-namespace redirect about it. This is not the sort of thing that anyone will learn about until long after they've become aware of namespaces. Thryduulf (talk) 12:46, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Delete. It's hard to think of a term that someone is less likely to know while also not knowing what namespaces are. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 12:57, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:55, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Delete. I concur. --Bsherr (talk) 07:18, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Delete WP:XNR to editorship content unrelated to readership content, or the concept of probation for articles, such as found at publications for some of their authorship, columnists -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 04:04, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

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==AgSocial==

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:The result of the discussion was delete

. Jay (talk) 17:33, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Delete, while the may or may not have been any need for very new editors to find out about this event without needing to learn about namespaces there certainly isn't 21 months afterwards, so this cross-namespace shortcut can go. Thryduulf (talk) 12:38, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Delete this was created to make finding the event page easier - apologies. Jamie-NAL (talk) 17:18, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:55, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Delete. I concur. --Bsherr (talk) 07:16, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 00:02, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

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==SchoolsWP==

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:The result of the discussion was delete

. Jay (talk) 17:32, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Delete. There is no need for a shortcut-style redirect to this page to live in the article namespace. Thryduulf (talk) 12:19, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Support per nom. Veverve (talk) 14:43, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:55, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Delete. Unnecessary cross-namespace redirect, styled like an abbreviation. --Bsherr (talk) 07:18, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

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==Redirects to Wikipedia:Wikipedia for schools==

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:The result of the discussion was retarget all

to Wikipedia#Methods of access. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 10:11, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Retarget. The target is a former article about a non-notable, now apparently defunct (last updated 2013) project that was moved to the Wikipedia namespace following a 2016 AfD. This is not the sort of page where there is a need for those unaware of namespaces to easily find it, however there is brief mention at Wikipedia#Methods of access, so I suggest retargetting there. Thryduulf (talk) 12:16, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Delete all: the mainspace and the rest of Wikipedia should be kept separated. Veverve (talk) 14:38, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
  • :I'm proposing to retarget these to a mainspace page, which will resolve the issue you mention. Thryduulf (talk) 14:52, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support the nom. Veverve (talk) 14:32, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • REtarget the CD and DVD redirects to the proposed target, since it occurs there; and there was WP:0.5, WP:1.0 -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 03:34, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Retarget. As proposed, I concur. --Bsherr (talk) 07:15, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

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==Armenians in Bosnia and Herzegovina==

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:The result of the discussion was delete

. As unopposed deletion nomination. Jay (talk) 17:30, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Delete. Not mentioned on the target page, nor at Armenian population by country. Geschichte (talk) 10:47, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

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==Armenian Peruvians==

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==Tooth fairy agnostic==

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:The result of the discussion was delete

. Jay (talk) 16:35, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Non-noteworthy phrase. Means an agnostic who thinks God is as likely as the tooth fairy. Not mentioned in the target article. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 06:52, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Delete per WP:NOTNEO and not mentioned. The neologism could be interpolated indefinitely; Santa agnostic, easter bunny agnostic, wood elf agnostic... Geschichte (talk) 10:50, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Delete as not mentioned. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 14:55, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

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==Wikipedia:BUGREPORT==

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==Custom (in Canon Law)==

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:The result of the discussion was Delete Custom (in Canon Law), Keep and hatnote Custom (canon law).

Thryduulf (talk) 11:27, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Custom is also part of Eastern Orthodox canon law. The target is not about customs in canon law in general, but only about customs in Catholic canon law. Canon law does not discuss custom at all so a redirect there would be unwise.


I recommend deletion. Veverve (talk) 14:19, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

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  • Agree with Shhhnotsoloud-- Aervanath (talk) 20:13, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

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==Christ Lord==

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==Hrwiki==

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:The result of the discussion was retarget

to Croatian Wikipedia. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 10:05, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

The articles about Wikipedias often have redirects from the corresponding short names like "enwiki" for the English Wikipedia, which I understand is formally known as the {{tt|wgDBname}} and is normally formed of the two-letter language code and the word "wiki", which is also how the corresponding domain names usually start: zhwiki is Chinese Wikipedia (zh.wikipedia.org), eswiki is Spanish Wikipedia (es.wikipedia.org), dewiki is German Wikipedia (de.wikipedia.org), itwiki is Italian Wikipedia (it.wikipedia.org), frwiki is French Wikipedia (fr.wikipedia.org), arwiki is Arabic Wikipedia (ar.wikipedia.org), ruwiki is Russian Wikipedia (ru.wikipedia.org), nlwiki is Dutch Wikipedia (nl.wikipedia.org), svwiki is Swedish Wikipedia (sv.wikipedia.org).

As the two-letter code for the Croatian language is "hr", I would expect hrwiki to point to the article on that Croatian Wikipedia that has garnered some attention in recent years (hr.wikipedia.org), but instead it points to "Homestar Runner", {{tqq|an American Flash-animated surreal comedy web series}}. Apparently it originally pointed to "Homestar Runner Wiki", which was first turned into a section of "Homestar Runner" and then deleted. As far as I see, "Homestar Runner" does not now cover this "hrwiki" at all.

I propose that hrwiki point instead to Croatian Wikipedia. This is my first time at RfD and I apologize in advance for any mistakes. —2d37 (talk) 03:01, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

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==Hot war==

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:The result of the discussion was retarget

to Hot War. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 22:11, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

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Strikes me as implausible. I think this is a phrase related to "cold war" but it seems unlikely somebody would type this instead of just "war". Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 21:14, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

  • retarget to Hot War for now as plausible miscap --Lenticel (talk) 22:09, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Keep (retarget per Lenticel as 2nd choice, 3rd choice soft redirect). Given the existence of Cold War (both as a specific conflict and as a general term) this is an extremely likely search term and as :wikt:hot war makes clear the antonym of "cold war" is "war", thus making "hot war" a synonym of "war". A hatnote to Hot War or War should be added as appropriate to wherever this targets. Thryduulf (talk) 00:47, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Retarget to cold war (general term) as {{tl|R from antonym}} (I just added a mention there). The overwhelming majority of Google Books and Google News hits are using this phrase in contrast to "cold war"; I don't the film is WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT by usage for a title with lower-case "war".61.239.39.90 (talk) 01:04, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

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  • Retarget to Hot War, this is plausible as it is not uncommon not to capitalize words in a search engine. Add hatnote to cold war (general term) at Hot War, which would be a lot better than a hatnote from cold war (general term) to Hot War. (Now, I even got to go to the Hot War page and remove some spam!) Geschichte (talk) 10:53, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Retarget to Hot War with no hatnotes to war or cold war. A hatnote to war will be confusing as that article makes no mention of the usage of the term. Cold war (term) does say {{tq|The term "hot war" is also occasionally used by contrast, but remains rare in literature on military theory.}}, but this is not sufficient to justify a hatnote to cold war. Jay (talk) 20:39, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

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==Indelible mark==

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==Interstate 390 (Genesee Expressway)==

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==Interstate 43 (Milwaukee)==

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:The result of the discussion was delete

. MBisanz talk 01:13, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Redirect for a very unlikely search term, as this is located entirely within Wisconsin. Mako001 (C)  (T) (The Alternate Mako) 14:04, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Delete—we don't do city-detail articles on freeways in the US, so it's extremely unlikely that someone would link to, or search for, a section of I-43 in Milwaukee. If someone were searching for I-43, they'll get the suggestion for "Interstate 43" before this redirect anyway. Imzadi 1979 → 16:35, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Keep. There are plenty of examples of articles on stretches of interstate highways, and the target article contains plenty of detail on the Milwaukee section of the road so the redirect is both plausible and useful. Thryduulf (talk) 18:22, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Delete. This is no good as a disambiguator, the Insterstate is much longer than Milwaukee. -- Tavix (talk) 19:40, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

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  • Delete per Imzadi. MB 06:46, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment from nominator I originally nominated this as I had misread Milwaukee as Minnesota (don't know how), but after seeing the arguments presented above for deletion, I still think that this should be deleted. Mako001 (C)  (T)  23:33, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment. There is also Interstate 43 (Beloit–Howard) created by the same user, and redirecting to the same target. Jay (talk) 20:01, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

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==Category:Wikipedians who put really really long redlinked categories at the bottom of their userpage as a conversation piece==

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:The result of the discussion was No consensus. It seems unlikely that there will be any consensus before the broader question of user page categorisation is settled. Relisting this again will not bring us closer to an answer to that question, so will not be a good use of editor's time.

Thryduulf (talk) 11:41, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

The long title suggests that the category is supposed to remain redlinked, but apparently it isn't. It should never have been recreated as a redirect, and the page was mistakenly undeleted by a former admin "to remove it from the cleanup list at Special:WantedCategories" after it was correctly deleted in 2018. But two other intentionally redlinked categories are also listed there, so the category with the long name should have remained listed there too. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 23:36, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

  • Keep unless empty. These category redirects were created solely to prevent these stale "joke" redlinked categories cluttering up Special:WantedCategories (SWC), because after the category was deleted some selfish editors raised a storm about removing the categories from their user pages ... so the only way to avoid them becoming a permanent fixture in SWC is to have the redirects.
    The selfish disruption of those editors who refuse to remove the categories has wasted countless hours of time in numerous discussions, and this CFD just reopens that timesink. Why?
    The two categories which are still listed at SWC were a compromise: leave those two as the last residue of this stale joke, but get all the others out of SWC. Why try to expand the disruption? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:49, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
  • Ideally, we would establish consensus to actually enforce WP:USERCAT and forcibly remove users from subcategories of :Category:Wikipedians who retain deleted categories on their userpages and :Category:Wikipedians with unconventional user categories (off-topic: the later of which is technically G4-able per :Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 October 21#Category:Wikipedians by unusual attribute). But that would require a new RfC, since the current statue quo was established at Wikipedia talk:User categories/Archive 1#Request for comment on our proposed policy for users remaining in redlinked categories and can't be done here. Slightly less ideally, {{u|JPxG}} would remove {{themself|JPxG}} from this category and render this discussion moot. {{pb}} If none of the above happen, then there's no good reason to delete this category, especially since the sole member added it when it was already blue. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:55, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
  • I added myself to this category because I saw it somewhere and thought it was funny. It seemed a little weird to me that it'd be a blue link (surely the joke works better if it is red). As I recall, there were a few others in the category at the time. Anyway, I don't think it is possible for me to care less about this. If you want to delete it, delete it -- if you want to keep it, keep it. Feel free to remove it from my userpage if it is causing an inconvenience, on the sole condition that you add a different stupid joke to replace it. jp×g 06:01, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
  • :@JPxG: either you couldn't care less, or you will remove it only if replaced by another stupid joke category to re-create the same problem. But not both.
  • :Which is it? BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:53, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
  • ::I would be fine with something like "a priest and a rabbi walk into a bar, and they both say 'ouch'", but it doesn't make much of a difference to me. My only request is that it not be a political/racial/etc joke, since I prefer my userpage to be a nice place where people can have fun and relax. jp×g 05:54, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
  • :::That's rather less funny, unfortunately. Benjamin (talk) 08:25, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
  • Remove from User:JPxG's userpage and delete per discussion above. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 12:53, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
  • :{{ping|Mx. Granger}} Per my comment above, anyone who wants to do this can go to my userpage, replace it with another dumb joke, and then C1 the category themselves (no discussion needed). jp×g 14:00, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

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  • Pinging the newly added users {{u|Benjaminikuta}} and {{u|Graeme Bartlett}}. Jay (talk) 03:32, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the ping! The joke is good, if it's not too much trouble. Benjamin (talk) 05:30, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
  • I don't care if it is deleted or redirected or left alone. But I only added the entry because of this debate. This kind of deletion debate is a waste of time. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:44, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
  • This kind of deletion debate is a waste of time because people like you and Benjamin deliberately perpetuate long-stale (this dates back to 2016, maybe even older) jokes. For what it's worth, my opinion still hasn't changed; preferably empty and delete this category (and all its brethren), but if people aren't willing to forcibly empty it then it should be kept. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:13, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
  • The joke doesn't work unless it's deleted, so delete. However, once it's deleted it will create problems for Special:WantedCategories so replace with :Category:Wikipedians with red-linked categories on their user page‏‎, which is the accepted joke category of this genre. -- Tavix (talk) 17:43, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
  • I'm not super technical, but it seems like it's not really causing a problem currently, and it would be more trouble than it's worth to try to delete it? Benjamin (talk) 01:50, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Why would you want this category on your userpage in its current state? The category refers to itself as "redlinked", which is a link for a page that does not exist. The fact that this page exists defeats the joke! -- Tavix (talk) 05:54, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
  • If that wouldn't cause problems, then fine, whatever. I mostly just want to be sure we don't mess up user pages. Benjamin (talk) 07:43, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Keep. Appropriate and useful use of categories for Wikipedia purposes, namely to send up the oppressive control of user categories by a few who routinely exercise control of categories. Joke, yes, but the purpose of the joke is serious. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:41, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
  • : If this were truly an appropriate user category, then it would not have been deleted in 2016. (The guidelines on what user categories are meaningful have not changed meaningfully in the intervening years). All of these keep !votes (other than BrownHairedGirl's or other people using similar arguments to her) are fundamentally relitigating Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 December 31#Category:Wikipedians who put really really long redlinked categories at the bottom of their userpage as a conversation_piece using ILIKEIT arguments that would have been rightfully discounted at CfD and should likewise be discounted here. The fact that people are making this argument is disproving the assumption underlying :Category:Wikipedians who retain deleted categories on their userpages, that pages like this one {{tq|are not navigable categories (respecting the consensus of the deletion discussions)}} * Pppery * it has begun... 18:39, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

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  • Delete per SmokeyJoe. Entirely appropriate user category, but it works only if it does not exist. No such user (talk) 09:00, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

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==Hot warfare==

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:The result of the discussion was delete

. MBisanz talk 01:11, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Strikes me as an unlikely search term. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 21:17, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

  • Weak keep. While it doesn't get much use, it is a term that is used and it is (per my comments at #Hot war) a synonym of Warfare, which redirects to War. Thryduulf (talk) 00:49, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

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  • A reader will be interested in the "Hot" part of the term and the current target doesn't help at all. Delete if there are no suitable targets. Jay (talk) 15:15, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

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==Drive one==

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:The result of the discussion was delete

. Jay (talk) 15:05, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Appears to be an old advertising slogan [https://www.cnbc.com/id/24029619] but not mentioned at target. Seems a bit WP:ASTONISHing given it's such a generic phrase, and searching this term without specifying Ford didn't give me anything Ford related in the first few pages. Suggest delete. A7V2 (talk) 00:31, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

:*Delete per nom. My search results are a mixture of various things, OneDrive and a non-notable supercar rental firm in London being the most numerous but not primary (and I don't think it would be a good redirect to OneDrive even if that were primary). Thryduulf (talk) 02:31, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

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==Be Safe==

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