to Portal:Current events/2023 October 7. Basically a toss-up between that and 2023#October, but slightly leaning toward the portal. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 20:19, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
::It has been brought to my attention that, prior to my closing this, involved editor User:Undescribed had relisted this. First of all, don't do that. You're involved and it should have already been clear to you from MJL's comment at AN that you weren't seeing things entirely clearly on this. Second, if you're going to relist, you have to actually replace the old discussion with {{tl|Rfd relisted}}. Third... I've added the parallel comments below. A keep, a delete, and a retarget to portal. I find there is still a rough consensus for that last option. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 11:55, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
Redirect doesn't make sense. This date shouldn't like to a specific event. Merlinsorca 18:25, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
:*Keep - Since this seems to be the main historic event for this day, and has been heavily compared to both the Pearl Harbor attack and 9/11. The January 6 United States Capitol attack has a hat note for redirect from "January 6, 2021" and the Attack on Pearl Harbor has a hat note on "December 7, 1941" as a redirect, so why not have one for this event as well?
:Undescribed (talk) 19:09, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - Was done as a request on the Operation Al-Aqsa Flood talk page as October 7, 2023/7 October 2023 is tied to the Hamas-Israel war. For instances, [https://www.vox.com/videos/2023/10/16/23919562/israeli-army-october-7-hamas-attack this article]] from Vox Media is titled "Where was the Israeli army on October 7?" and that was published today, October 16, 2023. "October 7" is tied to the war as the start date, similar to how December 7, 1941 is tied to Pearl Harbor and September 1, 1939 is tied to the German invasion of Poland. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 19:47, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
- :September 1, 1939 is an article about a poem with that title so isn't relevant here. Obviously in the context of the Israel-Hamas war the date has only one significant event but outside that context there are two (at least) significant events. Thryduulf (talk) 15:40, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
:::The only other significant event listed in the 2023 page for October 7 is the Afghan earthquake, what are the other ones you mention? I can also list many others instances of these type of redirects including "July 7, 2005", "August 6, 1945", "June 6, 1944", etc.--Undescribed (talk) 16:08, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
- Retarget per Thryduulf. Selfstudier (talk) 14:19, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
- :Doesn't even make any sense to retarget it. The whole reason for having the hat note "for other events on the same day, see 2023#October 7" is to address the other less well known event that happened on that day. Undescribed (talk) 14:29, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
- ::That's backwards - the hatnote is there because the redirect exists, the redirect does not exist because of the hatnote. Thryduulf (talk) 15:41, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
- :::Obviously, but what I'm saying is that removing the redirect based soley on the fact that it was not the only event listed for October 7 in the 2023 page is not a valid reason. This is why the hat note is there for disambiguation purposes. If the reader meant to search for the Afghan earthquake instead of the Israel attacks, they would simply have to click on "2023#October 7". See the January 6 Capitol attack and Pearl Harbor as analogs that I mentioned in my post above as reasons why this redirect should be kept. Undescribed (talk) 16:03, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
- Retarget to Portal:Current events/2023 October 7, which is the preferred target for single date redirects. The 2023 Herat earthquakes were also significant with thousands of casualties, so there may not be a primary topic. -- Tavix (talk) 16:09, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
- :What about the redirects for "July 7, 2005", "September 11, 2001", "August 6, 1945", "June 6, 1944", and "December 7, 1941"? How can you justify those redirects but not this one? Also, the Afghan earthquake is definitely not primary topic over an attack with unparalleled magnitude and media coverage, and is on par with 9/11 and Pearl Harbor. Undescribed (talk) 16:24, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
- ::WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS; I am not commenting on any other redirect but "7 October 2023". If you feel other redirects should be discussed, feel free to nominate them. As for primary topic, I consider 2023 Herat earthquakes a very signficant event: ~1,500 deaths, ~2,500 injured, over 21,500 houses destroyed, over 17,000 other houses severely damaged, 114,000 people in need of aid, etc. That is not to say that the 2023 Hamas attack on Israel is not very significant (because it is!), but due to the fact that there are multiple very significant events that occurred on that day, we should not be redirecting to one over the other. -- Tavix (talk) 16:53, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
- :::But it is important to compare this to other redirects because they are precedents that need to be discussed and/or challenged. So lets say that this Afghan earthquake happened on the same day as 9/11. You're telling me that 9/11 still wouldn't be primary topic? Yes the earthquake killed over 1,000 people and was terrible but how it is primary topic? Whenever people think "October 7th" I guarentee you they will think about Israel attack not the earthquake in Afghanistan. I think its crazy that this redirect was even put up for discussion in the first place. Undescribed (talk) 17:11, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
- ::::Again, I am not commenting on other redirects, nor am I engaging in hypotheticals. I already laid out my case for why I personally do not feel there is a primary topic for this specific redirect. You obviously disagree, and that is okay. -- Tavix (talk) 17:24, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
- :::{{ping|Tavix}} I have a question regarding your logic. The 2023 Herat earthquakes are, as you nicely said, a significant event, given the near 1,500 death toll. That said, I would like to point out that it is the 2023 Herat earthquakes (plural). While it would be true and accurate that almost all the deaths were caused by the earthquakes on the October 7, would it truly be ok to say that an article encompassing events from October 7, 11, and 15 should prevent a redirect for an even larger significant global event that is known for a start date of October 7? Just sort of wanted to pose that question, given your logic is around a significant event, whose article is not truly just about an event on October 7, but rather 3 different days. In a semi-poor argument (i.e. not me arguing as I was asking a question), one could argue that because the article encompasses 3 separate dates, it would be trumped by an event known by a single date, or something around that style of logic. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 17:46, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
- ::::I think you answer the question yourself with {{tq|almost all the deaths were caused by the earthquakes on the October 7}}, which means that October 7th is clearly the date associated with these earthquakes. -- Tavix (talk) 19:40, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
- :::::I would tend to disagree. If it was the date, why did the other earthquakes which aren’t really notable get included into the article? Why not just keep the notable earthquakes by themselves? The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 19:47, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
- With an eye toward closing this: {{re|Thryduulf|NotAGenious|Selfstudier}} Do y'all have thoughts on Tavix' suggestion to retarget to the portal rather than the year/month article/section? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 18:03, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
- :If that is indeed the "preferred target", fine by me, Selfstudier (talk) 18:10, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
- :I don't know whether portals are the generally "preferred target for single date redirects" but I regard that as equally good to the target I suggested. Thryduulf (talk) 18:17, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
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- Keep see 24 February 2022 Yoblyblob (talk) 14:28, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
- Delete we can't make redirects for dates everytime something moderately big happens in the world. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 14:40, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
- Retarget per Tavix. Regarding the above comment: it's a reasonable search term, deleting it is a net negative. Edward-Woodrow • talk 22:33, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
- {{ping|Tamzin|Undescribed}} This discussion was closed at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2023_October_16#7_October_2023 and relisted here. This is inconsistent; either the closure or the relist should be reverted. (Also, Undescribed, for future reference, involved editors aren't supposed to relist. It's harmless at non-controversial XFDs with tiny turnout but definitely inappropriate here. You already cast a !vote so it's best to let someone else relist.) SnowFire (talk) 05:01, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
:The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).
