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• {{no redirect|1 = Pseudopolycythaemia }} → :Polycythemia  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:Pseudopolycythaemia|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#Pseudopolycythaemia closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Pseudopolycythaemia|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#Pseudopolycythaemia closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Pseudopolycythaemia|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#Pseudopolycythaemia closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 

No mention at target, though listed with no explanation at List of diseases (P) and has a Wiktionary entry at wikt:pseudopolycythaemia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:46, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

:@1234qwer1234qwer4 Pseudopolycythaemia was one of the many redirects I made while trying to cut down on the redlinks in WPMED. I'll tell you why I redirected it. The sources for Pseudopolycythaemia are all very old and it's debatable if it even meets GNG. Here's an explanation of what it is: {{tq|Recent literature has applied the term "relative polycythemia" to discussions of patients suspected of polycythemia but found to have a normal red cell mass and a smaller than normal plasma volume. The term "pseudopolycythemia" probably is more descriptive of the current view of such patients.}} [https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/567757]. This seems to be an appropriate subtopic of polycythemia.

:I'm not super familiar with RFD to be completely honest but what do you propose the page should be instead? Would it be sufficiant to add a bit to polycythemia and keep the redirect? IntentionallyDense ^(Contribs) 04:07, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

::Adding a mention of this term at the target would resolve my concerns, yes. 1234qwer1234qwer4 11:19, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

:::So why don't you do that?

:::It shouldn't be deleted anyway, because it's neither "novel" nor "obscure", so nobody's going to be shocked to reach that page and not see the exact word. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:19, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

:::@1234qwer1234qwer4 I’m a little busy right now but i’ll try to get to it in the next couple of days. in the meantime feel free to add it yourself. I have made a lot of medical redirects so in the future if you stumble upon an odd redirect like this for a medical disease feel free to just reach out on my talk page and i can clear things up and/or add clarification. IntentionallyDense ^(Contribs) 03:05, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

::::Update: Turns out the term was actually already explained in the article just under a different name so I added the synonym in. IntentionallyDense ^(Contribs) 15:35, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

• Keep per IntentionallyDense's added mention, although it is the alternative spelling of pseudopolycythemia which does not exist. Jay 💬 07:06, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Linnaeaceae }} → :Caprifoliaceae  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:Linnaeaceae|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#Linnaeaceae closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Linnaeaceae|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#Linnaeaceae closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Linnaeaceae|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#Linnaeaceae closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 

This name is used in several different articles on Wikipedia, but there is never a description or definition of this plant family defined at this target. People looking for this title will not be able to receive information about it here without a mention, presumably. There is a mention of "linnaea" at the current target though. The two families seem to be related according to the redirect creation history, but it is unclear if there is a better target out there which talks about this family that can give both merit and a home to the redirect. The "debate about family distinctiveness" does not seem to exist here any longer; no mention of "debate" or "distinct", although subfamilies exist. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 15:52, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

• Linnaeaceae is a taxon that was raised to the rank of family from the subfamily Linnaeoideae of the family Caprifoliaceae in 1998 (source [http://www.jstor.com/stable/1223583 here]), but this change is not accepted by Plants of the World Online and other taxonomic databases, which keep it in Caprifoliaceae. The Angiosperm Phylogeny Website also discusses the subfamily Linnaeoideae as part of Caprifoliaceae. The genera of the subfamily are listed at Caprifoliaceae#Taxonomy. If there were an article on the subfamily, then it could be redirected there; as there isn't, the present redirect seems ok to me. However, Caprifoliaceae#Taxonomy could be expanded to discuss the different approaches, rather than just the current {{tq|Several other families of the more broadly treated Caprifoliaceae s.l. are separated by some but not all authors}}, in which case redirecting to Caprifoliaceae#Taxonomy would seem appropriate. Peter coxhead (talk) 17:36, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

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• I am currently drafting an article in my sandbox on the subfamily Linnaeoideae, which is the status of this family in all recent sources. When the article is released into mainspace, Linnaeaceae should be redirected to "Linnaeoideae". Peter coxhead (talk) 18:28, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
• Redirect to Linnaeoideae, which I have now created. Peter coxhead (talk) 22:22, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
• As no-one has commented or dissented, I have now redirected to Linnaeoideae. Peter coxhead (talk) 16:29, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

:::The closer is supposed to be the person who performs the redirection. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:07, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Metropolitan city }} → :City  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:Metropolitan city|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#Metropolitan city closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Metropolitan city|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#Metropolitan city closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Metropolitan city|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#Metropolitan city closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 

• {{no redirect|1 = Metropolitan City }} → :Metropolis  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:Metropolitan City|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#Metropolitan City closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Metropolitan City|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#Metropolitan City closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Metropolitan City|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#Metropolitan City closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 

I think this should be returned to the previous version, but I would like a second look. I think the previous version was more helpful. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 18:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

• Which version? As a redirect to Metropolitan area, Metropolis, City proper or as a DAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
• :Oh lord I didn’t realize that there were that many other version! Either metropolitan city or DAB. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 04:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
• ::{{re|Kingsmasher678}} What do you mean "metropolitan city"? Metropolitan city is the redirect under discussion, not the target. Jay 💬 22:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
• : Metropolis is currently at AFD. Retarget to Metropolitan area if it gets deleted (or merged, seemingly), Disambiguate if it doesn't. Tessaract2^Hi! 19:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
• Comment Metropolitan City combined with this nomination. The closer should also be aware of the redirect Metropolitan city (disambiguation). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:10, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete. There is no article I can identify that provides a satisfactory definition of a "metropolitan city". Uses of Metropolitan City are partial title matches, and neither Metropolitan area or Metropolis are the right target. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:59, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
• :Disambiguate: Someone entering this term might be looking for metropolis, metropolitan area, or one of the countries were "metropolitan city" is a type of administrative subdivision (Korea, Italy). Furius (talk) 21:17, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
• ::I oppose this. Any disambiguation page would only be a list of guesses of what the user might have meant, rather than a list of articles that might otherwise have that title. No article satisfactorily defines the term. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:55, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
• ::{{dabr|d}} jlwoodwa (talk) 23:01, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
• :::{{done}}, sorry I didn't see this sooner. Cremastra (talk) 19:04, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

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::Disambiguate per Furius. The term "metropolitan city" has a specific meaning in the context of Korea or Italy{{snd}}enough for a redirect if the term weren't ambiguous. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:43, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

• So what about the previous version per nom, which had Australia, Turkey, South Africa, Peru and Poland, which the drafted disambig does not have? Jay 💬 09:07, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
• Restore DAB and add other proposed entries. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 20:55, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = X Money }} → :Twitter  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:X Money|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#X Money closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:X Money|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#X Money closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:X Money|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#X Money closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = XMoney }} → :Twitter  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:XMoney|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#XMoney closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:XMoney|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#XMoney closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:XMoney|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#XMoney closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 

Not mentioned at target. A product expected to launch in 2025. Probably too soon. Blethering Scot 20:43, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

• It's too soon for an article, but Twitter#E-commerce can probably include a sentence or two from Draft:X Money. ⇌ Synpath 13:56, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
• The fact that it's not mentioned is not important. The rule at WP:RFD#DELETE #8 is to consider deletion if it's not mentioned at the target and it's {{xt|"a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name"}}, such as the title of the article being translated into a non-English language that is unrelated to the article's subject. The rule is not to delete redirects whose connection to the subject is obvious. I think Synpath has a good idea. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:24, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Comment - See Draft:X Money. If the draft is accepted, the redirect will be unnecessary. The issue appears to be whether the product has sufficient advance notability. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:55, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to {{section link|Twitter|X Money Account}}. Jay 💬 22:10, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget per Jay. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 22:21, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Sleeping drug }} → :General anaesthetic  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:Sleeping drug|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#Sleeping drug closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Sleeping drug|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#Sleeping drug closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Sleeping drug|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#Sleeping drug closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 

Sleep medicine seems like a better target to me. Cremastra (talk) 20:07, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Hypnotic. Sleep medicine refers to the field of medicine related to sleep rather than drugs that induce sleep, hypnotics. ⇌ Synpath 13:43, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to Hypnotic to match Sleeping pill. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:02, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to Hypnotic per Synpath and Mx. Granger. Enix150 (talk) 04:08, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = ⚪ }} → :Circle symbol  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:⚪|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#⚪ closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:⚪|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#⚪ closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:⚪|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#⚪ closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 

Retarget per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 January 16#⚪︎. LIrala (talk) 19:55, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

:This redirect seems appropriate to me, though Circle symbol is an unusual dab page. Perhaps ⚪︎ should target Circle symbol as well. ⇌ Synpath 04:17, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

• Keep and retarget ⚪︎ to Circle symbol per Synpath. Enix150 (talk) 02:39, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• :I think that's a good idea. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:29, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Anti-Israel bias }} → :Anti-Zionism  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:Anti-Israel bias|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#Anti-Israel bias closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Anti-Israel bias|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#Anti-Israel bias closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Anti-Israel bias|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#Anti-Israel bias closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 

Not convinced Anti-Zionism is the correct target here as Anti-Israel bias isn't referenced at the target. Suggesting redirect to Anti-Israeli sentiment disambig for now Criticism of Israel#Claims of bias and disproportionate attention on Israel as the accurate target, and that otherwise this should be a standalone article already as no doubt there is WP:SIGCOV for WP:GNG. CNC (talk) 15:47, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

:Retarget but with a hatnote to the dab somewhere. LIrala (talk) 05:05, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget, certainly. I think Criticism of Israel is probably the right target, though retargeting to the DAB would also be fine with me. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:07, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Doomy }} → :Doom metal  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:Doomy|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#Doomy closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Doomy|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#Doomy closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Doomy|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#Doomy closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 

"Doomy" is only mentioned once; I'm not convinced that this is only associated with doom metal. Other forms of doom may apply, or it is vague. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 22:55, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Doom (a DAB) as {{tl|R from adjective}}. Fieari (talk) 00:22, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Retarget to Doom and tag as {{tl|R from adjective}} per Fieari --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:07, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to Doom per above. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:08, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = PolyGram Audiovisuel }} → :PolyGram Filmed Entertainment  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:PolyGram Audiovisuel|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#PolyGram Audiovisuel closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:PolyGram Audiovisuel|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#PolyGram Audiovisuel closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:PolyGram Audiovisuel|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#PolyGram Audiovisuel closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 

No mention of this name on the target page. Also appears to be using the French spelling of "audiovisual", making it unlikely to be used much. The English spelling of "audiovisual" is also absent from the target page. – numbermaniac 12:11, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

• Keep. Polygram Audiovisuel appears to be a French subsidiary of the group, with several film credits, making it a somewhat likely search term. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:37, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep per {{noping|Paul_012}}. Googabbagabba (talk) 01:42, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete, this topic is not discussed at the target page; readers looking for information on this French subsidiary will not be reading about it at PolyGram Filmed Entertainment, because it is not mentioned there at all per nom, "Audiovisuel" appears nowhere. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:52, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep per Paul. Readers are not so stupid as to be confused if they end up at an article with a slightly different name. They'll understand that they're in the right place. Also, specifically to Utopes comment about "looking for information on this French subsidiary", most readers are looking for quite basic information, like "Oh, Wikipedia says PolyGram Audiovisuel actually is part of, or at least somehow related to, PolyGram Filmed Entertainment". They're not necessarily looking for detailed information. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:38, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Cisphobia }} → :Cisgender  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:Cisphobia|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#Cisphobia closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Cisphobia|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#Cisphobia closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Cisphobia|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#Cisphobia closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 

No mention at target. Doesn't seem to be a real thing either ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?fulltext=1&search=cisphobia no other uses] here on enwiki; [https://www.google.com/search?q=cisphobia nothing serious] on google). I suggest either deleting or soft redirecting to wikt:cisphobia. Duckmather (talk) 05:15, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

• :wikt:cisphobia suggests this might have been a buzz word in early 2014 when I created that redirect. (I have no recollection of creating it though.) No opinion how this RFD should go. – sgeureka ^t•c 12:14, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete as there is no mention in the target, and it could make readers assume that it is a Wikipedia page/mentioned elsewhere when it is not if they see it linked without clicking on it. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 16:48, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
• :The rule at WP:RFD#DELETE #8 is to consider deletion if it's not mentioned at the target and it's {{xt|"a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name"}}, such as the title of the article being translated into a non-English language that is unrelated to the article's subject. The rule is not to delete redirects whose connection to the subject is obvious. In this case, I think the connection is borderline. Adding a sourced statement to Reverse discrimination, and repointing there might be better. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:42, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• ::i believe readers searching for "cisphobia" would expect info on not vibing with the continued existence of cis people, not just info on cis people consarn _{(speak evil) (see evil)} 11:10, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
• Soft redirect per nom. Based on template documentation - rather than WP:SRD or WP:POFR where it's not clear when to actually use soft redirects - it appears to fit the four conditions of such a redirect, assuming the bar for "Readers search for it" is quite low, based on only [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=all-time&pages=Cisphobia getting around 0.5 views a day]. While I'm not opposed to delete here, as there is no scope for an article, nor an appropriate target, etc, I support the idea of redirecting to sister projects generally and believe we should do it whenever appropriate (over deleting that is). Personally I'd also find this soft redirect useless, as I wouldn't find the wikt definition providing any information beyond what I'd already assume about the term. But for others, who haven't even acknowledged the term as cis-phobia (for example), could find it very usefeul per WP:R#KEEP. CNC (talk) 11:40, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. If this is a real thing and articles start using it, we may consider a wikt retarget to provide context. Jay 💬 19:23, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
• Delete. Not a real thing. Probably even less of a real thing than "racism against white people" which is also not a real thing. What next? "Discrimination against right-handed people" maybe? Somebody (not the creator of the redirect!) must have been trying to coin it as a neologism and, even though the redirect was made in good faith, we should not help people coin or legitimise their neologisms. If kept at all it should redirect to Wiktionary but I can't see any value in that. --DanielRigal (talk) 16:08, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
• :Agree 1000% DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 18:01, 8 February 2025 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = 46 Camelopardalis }} → :List of stars in Lynx  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:46 Camelopardalis|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#46 Camelopardalis closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:46 Camelopardalis|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#46 Camelopardalis closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:46 Camelopardalis|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#46 Camelopardalis closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = 54 Camelopardalis }} → :List of stars in Lynx  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:54 Camelopardalis|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#54 Camelopardalis closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:54 Camelopardalis|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#54 Camelopardalis closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:54 Camelopardalis|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#54 Camelopardalis closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 

No mention of "46 camelopardalis" or "54 camelopardalis" exists at the target article. People looking for this particular star would not be able to read about it here.

This marks the 20th redirect that I have nominated here, spanning 17 discussions and ending the streak of my CAT:RAW nominations for today. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:37, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

:* Retarget to List of stars in Lynx as {{tl|R to list entry}} as they are both mentioned there. It turns out that despite the designation suggesting they are in Camelopardalis, they are both just across the border in Lynx. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs) 08:07, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

:*:Keep per the above. {{ping|Utopes}} try "46 Cam" and "54 Cam" instead. Cremastra (talk) 20:56, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = 23rdian }} → :23 enigma  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:23rdian|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#23rdian closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:23rdian|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#23rdian closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:23rdian|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#23rdian closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 

No mention of this topic, nor anything to do with the spelling of "23rdian" exists at the target article. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:35, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

• Keep - Google shows that this is a common descriptor for people who believe in the 23 conspiracy theory, or are otherwise enthusiasts of the number 23 (because they think it's mystical, weird, or fun). Can't find a reliable source that would enable us to add it to the article, but it seems well attested in use and as a simple navigational aid, this would be the right target. Someone coming across the term "23rdian" and searching to find what it means will be educated, even without a direct mention. The concept of superstitions around the number 23 is nebulous enough that it doesn't really have a fully universal common name that all people who are "in the know" about it would be able to find it, and this is one avenue they could find the article by, especially if they come across the concept on the internet, where "23rdian" gets a bit of use. As such, I don't think we need a mention, and the redirect should stay. Fieari (talk) 06:49, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

::Every redirect requires a mention at some point. This is a maintenance category, not a permanent residence. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:54, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

:::Not every redirect requires a mention. For example, nothing in {{tl|R from typo}} or {{tl|R from error}} is likely to be added to an article, and both are valid types of redirects, because they are navigational aides, just as I'm suggesting this redirect is. If the issue is a maintenance category, than perhaps a separate "R from" category needs to be made for redirects that do not need a mention. Fieari (talk) 07:07, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

::::The correct spelling is mentioned, in the case of typos. The fixed title is mentioned, in the case of errors. In both of those cases, the modification they are based off of IS mentioned, likely as a modification of the title, and is very much not what I'm referring to.

::::"rdian" and "_enigma" are totally different terms & topics. That is an absolutely monster blemish if someone screwed up 5 characters in a row. It would be totally inappropriate for me to tag a typo as "not mentioned" when its never expected to be mentioned. Pages with this tag are expected to be mentioned because they are a topic that is wholly unrepresented on the entirety of Wikipedia. And such WHOLLY different topic terms are required to be mentioned to actually substantiate the search term. So yes, it is required here. "23rdian" has no obvious definition anywhere so something needs to exist for this redirect to exist. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:16, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

:::::Like I said in the .apple discussion, I think it's a good idea to review the contents of the without-mention category, but I have to agree with Fieari here - not all redirects need a mention. Wikipedia isn't a thesaurus, but it should have a robust index - we want all reasonable synonyms for an article title to redirect to that article, but we don't necessarily have to list them all. For instance, most emojis redirect to an article (eg. 🥐 to Croissant) - does this mean every single article that has that form of redirect needs to say something like "There is also a unicode character (🥐) that represents croissants"? To me that would be bloat, even if the redirect is sound. BugGhost 🦗👻 16:00, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

:::Fieari is correct: Not every redirect requires a mention. The rule at WP:RFD#DELETE #8 is to consider deletion if it's not mentioned at the target and it's {{xt|"a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name"}}, such as the title of the article being translated into a non-English language that is unrelated to the article's subject. The rule is not to delete redirects whose connection to the subject is obvious. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:45, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = 11 Piscis Austrini }} → :List of stars in Piscis Austrinus  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:11 Piscis Austrini|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#11 Piscis Austrini closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:11 Piscis Austrini|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#11 Piscis Austrini closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:11 Piscis Austrini|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#11 Piscis Austrini closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = 20 Piscis Austrini }} → :List of stars in Piscis Austrinus  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:20 Piscis Austrini|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#20 Piscis Austrini closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:20 Piscis Austrini|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#20 Piscis Austrini closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:20 Piscis Austrini|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#20 Piscis Austrini closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 

{{Oldrfdlist|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 16#11 Piscis Austrini|retarget}}

No mention of "11 piscis" or "20 piscis" in the list of stars. Not helpful for people looking for these numbers and not receiving any information directly related to the number they searched for. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:31, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

• Keep both and add {{tl|R to list entry}} as I have added both stars to the target. By the way, stars with Bayer/Flamsteed designations in lists of stars use three-letter abbreviations (in this case PsA) rather than the full name. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs) 16:23, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = 4-OHT }} → :4-Androstenediol  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:4-OHT|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#4-OHT closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:4-OHT|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#4-OHT closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:4-OHT|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#4-OHT closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 

No mention of this alternative name at the target; "OHT" is said nowhere within the article. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:28, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

• Set index, {{tl|Chemistry index}}. Afimoxifene / 4-Hydroxytestosterone. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 09:48, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
• SIA per above. YuniToumei (talk) 09:56, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
• SIA or just an ordinary dab page. The fact that it's "said nowhere" is irrelevant. The MOS bans us from adding every single name (if there are more than a small handful). The WP:REDIRECT rules do not ban us from making sure that readers end up in the right place anyway. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:56, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = 3-Indolepropionate }} → :3-Indolepropionic acid  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:3-Indolepropionate|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#3-Indolepropionate closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:3-Indolepropionate|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#3-Indolepropionate closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:3-Indolepropionate|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#3-Indolepropionate closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = 3-indolepropionate }} → :3-Indolepropionic acid  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:3-indolepropionate|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#3-indolepropionate closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:3-indolepropionate|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#3-indolepropionate closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:3-indolepropionate|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#3-indolepropionate closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 

No mention of "indolepropionate" at the target article. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:26, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{facepalm}}

:Perhaps you should just edit the very first sentence of the article to say “3-Indolepropionic acid, otherwise known as its conjugate base, 3-indolepropionate, …” instead of do something ignorant like this.

:I’d suggest staying away from redirects to articles on chemical compounds if you really don’t understand that relationship. Seppi333 (Insert 2¢) 06:40, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

::I'd suggest making technical articles understandable, even to us fools who don't know that "fooate" means the conjugate base of "fooic". jlwoodwa (talk) 17:47, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

::@Seppi333 Can I ask you to tone this comment back? The facepalm plus the word choice comes across as quite condescending, at the least, and certainly not assuming good faith. As someone prone to testy comments myself, I understand you were irate at the time, but now is your opportunity to reconsider. Cremastra (talk) 20:58, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

:::K Seppi333 (Insert 2¢) 00:17, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

• Keep: I have added that spelling of the conjugate base to the "other names" param in the infobox. So this redirect should be valid now. YuniToumei (talk) 09:48, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
• Speedy keep. This is the chemistry equivalent of a person's name with their middle initial redirecting to an article, even though only the formulation with the spelled-out middle name is included in the article. BD2412 T 03:44, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
• Keep per BD2412. Enix150 (talk) 02:37, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = 2 Minute Silence }} → :Thom Yorke#Collaborations  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:2 Minute Silence|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#2 Minute Silence closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:2 Minute Silence|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#2 Minute Silence closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:2 Minute Silence|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#2 Minute Silence closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 

No such song exists at the target article. In its absence, I say the cats on this redirect are removed and this instead point to Two-minute silence. Interestingly, 2 Minute Silence (Royal British Legion song) is also a redirect that exists, and "2 Minute Silence" is ALSO not mentioned at the page it redirects to, i.e. Royal British Legion. Just something interesting of note, I'd say. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:24, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

:Googling produced info on [https://www.theguardian.com/music/2010/nov/11/remembrance-day-single-silence this charity single] Yorke contributed to. I've added the detail to the article, but I'm not convinced this means we should keep the 2 Minute Silence redirect. (In any case, for now, I've edited the redirect to go to the right section of the Thom Yorke article.) Popcornfud (talk) 11:18, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

:Retarget to Two-minute silence, definitely the primary topic here. BugGhost 🦗👻 14:37, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

:Retarget to Two-minute silence as the primary topic. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:00, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = 1N4N3 }} → :Leet  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:1N4N3|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#1N4N3 closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:1N4N3|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#1N4N3 closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:1N4N3|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#1N4N3 closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 

This is "inane" in leetspeak. Not mentioned at the target in any capacity. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:20, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. Hard to know if a reader who searches for this is looking for leetspeak or inane, but it's not a likely search term for either. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:12, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:23, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete - I can imagine a DJ with this name, but none seems to currently exist. Urban Dictionary says it's just an insult. Doesn't get much use according to google search, even in social media. Quite implausible, and a terrible current target to boot, akin to targeting inane to English language. Fieari (talk) 01:50, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = 1 of 1 (Tyga song) }} → :Tyga  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:1 of 1 (Tyga song)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#1 of 1 (Tyga song) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:1 of 1 (Tyga song)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#1 of 1 (Tyga song) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:1 of 1 (Tyga song)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#1 of 1 (Tyga song) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 

No mention of such a song at the target page. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:15, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

:I suggest to change target to Tyga discography DanTheMusicMan2 (talk) 15:02, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Tyga discography, where the song is mentioned, per DanTheMusicMan2. BD2412 T 04:01, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = The order of Saint Stanislaus.(re)established in Polen in 1990 }} → :Order of Saint Stanislaus  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:The order of Saint Stanislaus.(re)established in Polen in 1990|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#The order of Saint Stanislaus.(re)established in Polen in 1990 closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:The order of Saint Stanislaus.(re)established in Polen in 1990|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#The order of Saint Stanislaus.(re)established in Polen in 1990 closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:The order of Saint Stanislaus.(re)established in Polen in 1990|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#The order of Saint Stanislaus.(re)established in Polen in 1990 closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = The order of Saint Stanislaus.(re)esteblished in Polen in 1990 }} → :Order of Saint Stanislaus  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:The order of Saint Stanislaus.(re)esteblished in Polen in 1990|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#The order of Saint Stanislaus.(re)esteblished in Polen in 1990 closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:The order of Saint Stanislaus.(re)esteblished in Polen in 1990|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#The order of Saint Stanislaus.(re)esteblished in Polen in 1990 closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:The order of Saint Stanislaus.(re)esteblished in Polen in 1990|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#The order of Saint Stanislaus.(re)esteblished in Polen in 1990 closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 

Bunch of weirdness going on here. The first redirect is a {{Tl|R from merge}}, and the second redirect is a misspelling ("esteblished"). The redirects were created as articles by the same editor, but they apparently existed simultaneously with the second redirect being created four days before the first redirect; it seems that they had two versions of the same article existing for about two months. I'm not sure what to do with these redirects; However, as these titles stand as redirects, they are highly unlikely search terms. Steel1943 (talk) 22:26, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

• Delete these errors. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:40, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, possibly recording the history of these pages somewhere. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 22:37, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
• Keep the first, the page history is needed because it was merged. -- asilvering (talk) 00:47, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
• :...Then the edit history should be moved to a title that is a plausible search term. The current titles are completely unhelpful. It's like leaving a redirect named Jhdkgdkydjdfidudodjdj in existence since all of its content was merged into an article like Apple. Steel1943 (talk) 17:24, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep the 1st for history preservation, we can Delete the second. Fieari (talk) 06:55, 24 January 2025 (UTC)
• Delete the second; if the first one needs to kept for history reasons, move it without leaving a redirect to Order of saint Stanislaus, which is open and at least vaguely plausible. Cremastra (talk) 23:06, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = \xnn }} → :Hexadecimal  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:\xnn|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#\xnn closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:\xnn|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#\xnn closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:\xnn|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#\xnn closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 

"Xnn" is not mentioned at the target article. A version with the preceding backslash is furthermore, not mentioned. People typing this in instead of using the English word of "hexidecimal", are presumably looking for a particular topic that we do not cover at the target. We have the disambiguation page of XNN, and "xnn" is also a stock-ticker. When I looked this up on my (school wifi) I also got some, particular results as well. Nevertheless, a very uncommon and at-the-moment not enlightening redirect. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:10, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

:I found [https://stackoverflow.com/questions/889941/which-encoding-uses-the-x-backslash-x-prefix an explanation] of this syntax. Hexadecimal probably isn't the right target regardless. jlwoodwa (talk) 17:44, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

• This syntax is discussed at Hexadecimal#Distinguishing from decimal (search for \x). The two ns in this title are evidently stand-ins for arbitrary hexadecimal digits. So maybe refine to that section, as I can't find any other articles on the English Wikipedia that discuss this syntax. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:19, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• REfine per Granger -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 21:01, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Keep and discourage this OP from any further "not mentioned" nominations, at least until they can demonstrate understanding of the rule at WP:RFD#DELETE #8. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:10, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Refine per Mx. Granger, above. Fieari (talk) 05:56, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = .csnet }} → :CSNET  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:.csnet|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#.csnet closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:.csnet|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#.csnet closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:.csnet|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#.csnet closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 

There is no discussion of the ".csnet" hostname suffix at the target article. This appears to be a separate topic based on the page's history, which is not a topic we cover anywhere on Wikipedia at this point in time. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:05, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

:This was one of the "pseudo-domain" suffixes that had some brief use back in an era when all of the wild and wooly varied sorts of computer networks used mostly at academic institutions were getting engulfed and devoured by the newfangled "Internet" (originally ARPAnet) but that process hadn't yet run to completion with everybody using Internet protocols such as TCP/IP and DNS; there were a variety of networks run with different technologies and different policies about who could use them and for what purposes, and some creaky gateways existed that could forward email between the networks if the appropriate arcane syntax was used. At that point, some participating computers had software patched together to recognize address suffixes referring to this or that network as if it were an actual domain ending, so that people could use the syntax that was becoming increasingly familiar at the time. *Dan T.* (talk) 16:29, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

::And therefore keep. The rule at WP:RFD#DELETE #8 is to consider deletion if it's not mentioned at the target and it's {{xt|"a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name"}}, such as the title of the article being translated into a non-English language that is unrelated to the article's subject. The rule is not to delete redirects whose connection to the subject is obvious. The connection here is obvious. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:11, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

• Keep - Does not provoke WP:ASTONISH, and provides information on the search term to the user, even if the exact string is not found in the page. If I came across the term .csnet, didn't know what it meant, and was redirected to this page? I would consider myself educated afterwards, even without an express mention. Fieari (talk) 05:59, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Who You Epp? (Refix) }} → :Who You Epp?  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:Who You Epp? (Refix)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#Who You Epp? (Refix) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Who You Epp? (Refix)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#Who You Epp? (Refix) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Who You Epp? (Refix)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#Who You Epp? (Refix) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 

I'm not sure what the "Refix" disambiguator means. It's not mentioned at the target. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 05:52, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Mix This! }} → :Bob Clearmountain  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:Mix This!|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#Mix This! closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Mix This!|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#Mix This! closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Mix This!|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#Mix This! closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 

Not mentioned in target. Rusalkii (talk) 02:44, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

:Apologies, there were unpublished edits to the target article. Published now. synthfiend (talk) 13:46, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

: Withdrawn per the above. Not sure if I'm discouraged from personally closing this? Rusalkii (talk) 21:42, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Discovery Channel Canada }} → :Discovery Channel (Canadian TV channel)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:Discovery Channel Canada|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#Discovery Channel Canada closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Discovery Channel Canada|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#Discovery Channel Canada closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Discovery Channel Canada|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#Discovery Channel Canada closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 

On January 1, 2025, Discovery Channel in Canada was rebranded to USA Network by Bell Media. At the same time, a new Discovery Channel was launched, but owned by Rogers Media. Someone recently retargeted this to the new Discovery, but I'm not sure this is a good idea.

Many articles already [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Discovery_Channel_Canada link to this redirect] in the context of the "old" Discovery Channel, particularly when mentioning Mayday (Canadian TV program). So I'm wondering, should this redirect instead stick with the "old" Discovery Channel given its usage? Limmidy (talk) 22:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

:Retarget to disambiguation. Heyaaaaalol (talk) 22:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

• Keep. Per a recent RM discussion, the 2025 Rogers-owned channel is the primary topic. This does mean that there is some work to do in fixing wikilinks - perhaps somebody with a script could get to work on retargeting everything pre-2025 to USA Network (Canadian TV channel). 162 etc. (talk) 22:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to disambiguation: I converted "Food Network Canada" to a dab because I had seen many articles linking to "Food Network Canada" to refer to the Corus-owned incarnation of the channel (now Flavour Network), given it actually did go by that name on-air at one point. The creation of the dab did spur edits to fix the targeting on many pages, so I think that was successful and should be emulated here. ViperSnake151  Talk  01:39, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
• :I've reverted that. The Rogers-owned channel is the primary topic there too. I will note that there are now no meaningful incoming links to Food Network Canada. 162 etc. (talk) 17:08, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Disambiguate and change the existing uses to use the redirect Discovery Channel (1994 Canadian TV channel) -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 05:16, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = List of Mario series games }} → :List of video games featuring Mario  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:List of Mario series games|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#List of Mario series games closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of Mario series games|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#List of Mario series games closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of Mario series games|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#List of Mario series games closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 
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Out of all of the redirects to the target page, my question these two redirects due their inclusion of the word "series" in their titles. in the nutshell, the target page includes games that are not part of the Super Mario game series or the Mario franchise. For these reasons and since these redirects are video game specific, I'm proposing these redirects be retargeted to Super Mario. Steel1943 (talk) 14:47, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Are these redirects useful? Are people going to be typing either of those in? Tduk (talk) 21:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

:delete the first one, but actually because of the personification of sex appeal that is wario. not every game in the mario franchise (and its 3 nonillion series) has luigi or that red guy in it, and i think readers would know that considering the positive reception of games like yoshi's woolly world

:not actually entirely sure where the second would go, but i'll go with a weak retarget to mario (franchise), as that could include whatever series a reader might be thinking of consarn _{(speak evil) (see evil)} 11:55, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

::I oppose "retarget to Mario (franchise)" since I suggested Super Mario for a specific reason: Super Mario is the article representing the video game series, whereas Mario (franchise) is specifically for the media franchise based on the video game series ... and there have been quite a few RFD and RM discussions which have occurred over the past decade or so establishing this current setup. Steel1943 (talk) 21:41, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Ambivalent but slightly leaning toward retarget per Steel1943. But oppose deletion. "List of Mario series games" is a plausible search term. Super Mario has pretty easy links to the Luigi and Wario series titles as well, so I think the status quo isn't bad but super mario is perhaps a slightly better target. Skynxnex (talk) 03:13, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Executive Mansion }} → :White House  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:Executive Mansion|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#Executive Mansion closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Executive Mansion|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#Executive Mansion closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Executive Mansion|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#Executive Mansion closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 

There's actually a couple things called this, not only Executive Mansion, Monrovia, but also Executive Mansion (Virginia) and a partial title match on the former name for Illinois Governor's Mansion. Suggest disambiguation, and I'm not sure the White House should even be listen on the DAB. Cremastra (u — c) 00:42, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

• Disambiguation makes sense to me. I've drafted a disambiguation page at Executive Mansion. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 03:11, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
• Disambiguate The draft seem good enough. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:33, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
• Comment the lower cased version, {{-r|Executive mansion}} is a redirect to Official residence, which is a pretty long list article that includes all of the entries of the newly drafted dab. Skynxnex (talk) 18:07, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to Official residence There doesn't seem to be the need for a seperate DAB page if this list already exists. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:03, 16 January 2025 (UTC)
• :I have to oppose this retarget because it denies the distinction between an executive mansion (common noun) and that's the Executive Mansion, it's where the Liberian president works (proper noun). This uppercased version is the latter and should be treated as such. Cremastra (u — c) 21:40, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

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::Disambiguate case difference means this should be a dab with mention of official residence Traumnovelle (talk) 02:22, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

• Disambig per the draft. It should have Executive mansion as an entry pointing to Official residence, not as a See also. Retarget Executive mansion to the dab. Jay 💬 12:43, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Halladia }} → :Halland County  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: [{{fullurl:Halladia|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#Halladia closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Halladia|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:main}}#Halladia closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Halladia|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:main}}#Halladia closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete] ] 

I am having trouble finding any evidence at all that this county is called Halladia, but it definitely isn't anywhere near the primary topic. Rusalkii (talk) 03:51, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. I agree this looks like an error. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:30, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
• : ... and even if it isn't an error (see below) redirects like this are confusing if the target article does not have a mention, to explain why you've been redirected there. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:09, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
• Comment. I created it, I'll respond in a bit. Modular science (talk) 14:33, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

• Keep (with Comment/ explanation). I grew up in Halland and I know the region, although I have not lived there for a while. I created redirect from Halladia to Halland County because I discovered that Halladia was the official name in the past and(!) nothing else is listed on Wikipedia as Halladia.
• Where is any evidence that Halland was called Halladia in the past?
• Here is one example, [https://web.archive.org/web/20250110154435/https://www.e-rara.ch/download/pdf/30167655.pdf a book first printed in 1572], quote from the text: "Halladia duca tus, ín Lundis metiopolis fed ...". Besides, the surrounding text speaks about Scania (region to the south of Halland), Lund (a city to the south) and Småland, a region to the east.
• Here is another example: see one of the oldest known maps of Northern Europe at Carta Marina or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Carta_Marina.jpeg I [https://i.ibb.co/BN1mxfR/Halladia.png highlighted the part] of the map where Halland is located. It clearly says Halladia. Besides, Halland/Halladia is in Sweden and the Carta Marina map was created by a Swedish person. Modular science (talk) 14:53, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
• :Thanks for explaining why you created the redirect! I still think that given how infrequently you find this usage compared to other uses of "Halladia", this redirect will mostly be confusing since most people searching won't be looking for the county. Rusalkii (talk) 23:24, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
• ::It is indeed a historic usecase, much less relevant today. But what are the other uses of "Halladia"? Modular science (talk) 00:58, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
• :::Google suggests is is sometimes used as a name, is a town in Iraq (source: Daily Mail, so perhaps this is a complete hallucination), a brand of yogurt, a word in a language I can't identify, and a number of other uses.
• :::I definitely feel less strong about deleting it now that a source for the Halland meaning has been identified, but do still lean that way. Rusalkii (talk) 01:27, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
• ::::Clear, thank you. I think it would be different if there was an object on Wikipedia by the name Halladia. But there isn't one and it is unlikely that the yogurt will be. Until there is one, the redirect makes sense, I think.
• ::::I could find Halabja in Iraq, but not Halladia. I think historic names are meaningful and other Wikipedia articles do have redirects from their old names even when the old names are no longer in use. Anyway, I think that I should leave the decision about keep or delete to you. I can only explain my logic. What does {{Ping|Shhhnotsoloud}} think about the redirect, when the logic is explained? Modular science (talk) 00:59, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep If someone eventually creates articles about the other things that (might) use this name, it can be converted to a WP:DAB page at that future date. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:27, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
• Keep - Historic, no-longer-used names are perfectly acceptable redirects, and useful to anyone doing primary source research from earlier time periods (what the heck is this thing being mentioned? Oh, now I see!) A mention would be possible given the sources given above, but are not necessarily required for this to be a useful redirect, and if the article curators do not believe that a mention is warranted, the redirect will still provide the useful purpose of identification for anyone stumbling across the term in old texts. Fieari (talk) 05:35, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

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