talk:New Zealand national rugby union team

:The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Per consensus, WP:CONSISTENT. – robertsky (talk) 13:15, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

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:New Zealand national rugby union team → {{no redirect|All Blacks}} – All Blacks is by far the WP:COMMONNAME, and I personally did not understand just by looking at the title that this article was referring to the All Blacks. Looking on Google Scholar, "All Blacks" has [https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22rugby%22+%22all+blacks%22&btnG= 7,180] results whereas "New Zealand national rugby union team" has [https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22New+Zealand+national+rugby+union+team%22&btnG= 39].

This article was moved from All Blacks in 2008, which I disagree with the reasoning for. For one, it cites consistency with other articles which is an argument to avoid, and there is no sports naming convention which gives precedence to the current name. Another point in that discussion was that non-New Zealand countries refer to it as "New Zealand" rather than "All Blacks", but it appears to me that media headlines refer to it as "All Blacks", eg [https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/66619552 here], [https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/67172012 here], [https://www.foxnews.com/sports/rugby-legend-lomu-youngest-all-black-in-history-dead-at-40 here], and [https://www.espn.com/rugby/story/_/id/39157422/scott-robertson-completes-all-blacks-staff-crusaders-assistant-tamati-ellison here], so it shouldn't cause confusion to readers. —Panamitsu (talk) 10:19, 21 December 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 08:20, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support: Everyone knows this team as the "All Blacks". As long as the previous name remains as a redirect, then we're OK. PatricKiwi (talk) 10:31, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose This is a contentious one. All other articles for national rugby times have this title, however they are probably the only side with a nickname so widely used. However, I don't think anything has changed since the last request move as mentioned above to warrant a move. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 20:03, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose as per WP:CONSISTENT. Remember not all national rugby teams have such a memorable nickname so it stands to reason we follow the simple Wikipedia policy to be consistent with our titles for national teams. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:56, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
• :I disagree with this because oftentimes the common name is used to break consistency if it is far more widely known. For example we have wheat which uses the common name rather than the genus name Triticum despite almost every plant article using a scientific name. —Panamitsu (talk) 09:05, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
• :Except for national sports teams, we always use " national team". I cannot think of another case where we would use the nickname rather than the formal, consistent title. I submit that wheat reference to be a WP:OTHER argument (not to mention that we don't tend to use Latin titles as per WP:EN). CONSISTENT is a policy so it makes sense we continue to follow it. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 10:24, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
• ::Oh yes, looking at the categories they do all follow that structure, thanks for the explanation! —Panamitsu (talk) 21:37, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:CONSISTENT. All Blacks is a redirect to here, so we're OK. Paora (talk) 23:59, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support per WP:COMMONNAME. Jake Wartenberg (talk) 20:43, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:CONSISTENT. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:32, 31 December 2023 (UTC)