Template talk:Infobox airline#Listing hubs

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By default, the mobile view usually used display: block property to make tables scrollable, especially gives benefits to larger one. However, on this template, this makes IATA, ICAO and callsign fields narrower, and shift to left. To fix the display issue, I used display: table property in there, after submit my change, this property is successfully resolved the problem while I view the test cases. You can also reproduce by opening mobile version of the test cases in this [https://codebeautify.org/responsive-website-tester Responsive Website Tester]. -- Great Brightstar (talk) 10:18, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

:This fix is made based on my discoveries on {{tl|rail freight}} and {{tl|pax}}. -- Great Brightstar (talk) 15:14, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

::{{done}} {{ping|Great Brightstar}} this has been updated, please let me know if any issues. (any TE/sysop is welcome to revert without consult as needed). — xaosflux ^Talk 19:17, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

I found a another issue that caused line height extremely wide while I see Korean Air on my phone, because the skin set display:flex;flex-flow:column nowrap for caption. To fix that, I suggest removing display:table from this template and insert this line instead: |templatestyles=infobox/mobileviewfix.css -- Great Brightstar (talk) 13:19, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

:{{to|Great Brightstar}} the sandbox has been synched to the live template – can you load the sandbox with the correct code to get the result you want? P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 13:59, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

::OK, I did, and I reviewed in mobile view. So I confirm sandbox is now get the result I want. -- Great Brightstar (talk) 10:55, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

:::Much better, thank you! And {{edited2|edited}}. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 11:27, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

There is no field to indicate the type of airline (like passenger, cargo, charter). That seems to me to be a key fact that does belong in the infobox. It was suggested once before: {{tq|Do we need to add some indicator about the type or airline/service offered? This could include mainline/scheduled, regional/scheduled, charter, cargo, military airlift, tour (helicopter and fixed wing). Or is this best left to the body of the article?}} about 16 years ago and went unanswered then. MB 16:00, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Hope whoever is reading this you're doing great. Humble request you to kindly have a look on an article named "Deoghar Airport". A user named "Alotorus" is adding a connecting/layover flights in airlines and destination section of "Deoghar Airport". I told him not to add this connecting flights as it against Wikipedia policies but he won't listen and he keeps reverting the edits done by me and some other user.The news citation attached by him clearly states that this is a connecting flight not the direct one's. Please kindly look into it. Thanks Flashthomsom (talk) 19:23, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

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I just added {{tl|if empty}} in sandbox, with this template one of the IATA, ICAO and callsign fields would default to dash even if you input blank value for parameter. This is based on my investigations in {{tl|Infobox person}} and {{tl|Infobox scientist}}. -- Great Brightstar (talk) 17:19, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

:{{edited2}}. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 13:44, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

The instructions for this template say that editors should use the full name of the airline's hubs, secondary hubs, focus cities and operating bases. That can lead to a situation like what we see on the Saudia page where the list reads like this:

• King Abdulaziz International Airport
• King Khalid International Airport
• King Fahd International Airport

This is absolutely meaningless to the casual reader (our audience) and probably many knowledgeable readers too. I'd like to propose we move to a system of using the same city names as we use elsewhere (such as Template:Airport-dest-list). Under my proposal, the above example would look like this:

• Dammam
• Jeddah
• Riyadh

-- RickyCourtney (talk) 20:58, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

:I also want to point out that the current situation is that roughly half of pages follow my proposed format. The other half sort of follow the template's suggested format. However, none I've seen actually use the Wikidata entries that the template calls for. -- RickyCourtney (talk) 21:17, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

::On the one hand, we have to bear in mind WP:NOTRAVEL regarding the casual reader. On the other hand, an airline hub is defined as an airport, not as a city.--Jetstreamer {{sup|Talk}} 21:23, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

:::When many airlines list their hubs, they use city names, not airport names. Examples: [https://news.alaskaair.com/cities-served/ Alaska Airlines], [https://news.delta.com/corporate-stats-and-facts Delta Air Lines]. RickyCourtney (talk) 22:07, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

::::You are talking about websites external to Wikipedia.--Jetstreamer {{sup|Talk}} 00:12, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

:::::Well, here is a selection of airlines that use my proposed format:

{{Hlist|

:::::* Aeroméxico

:::::* Air Canada

:::::* Air China

:::::* Air France

:::::* Air India

:::::* Air New Zealand

:::::* Alaska Airlines

:::::* All Nippon Airways

:::::* American Airlines

:::::* Asiana Airlines

:::::* Avianca

:::::* British Airways

:::::* Cathay Pacific

:::::* China Airlines

:::::* China Eastern Airlines

:::::* Delta Air Lines

:::::* EVA Air

:::::* Finnair

:::::* Garuda Indonesia

:::::* ITA Airways

:::::* Japan Airlines

:::::* KLM

:::::* Korean Air

:::::* LOT Polish Airlines

:::::* Royal Jordanian

:::::* Scandinavian Airlines

:::::* Shenzhen Airlines

:::::* South African Airways

:::::* SriLankan Airlines

:::::* United Airlines

:::::* Vietnam Airlines

:::::* Virgin Atlantic

:::::* XiamenAir}}

:::::All of these are stable edits, in other words, not made by me in the last few weeks. I'll point out that that list includes Air Canada, the airline used as the example for this template. It's been a very stable edit, in place for [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Air_Canada&oldid=886720392 more than four years]. -- RickyCourtney (talk) 00:46, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

{{outdent}}It doesn't matter if they are stable or not, they do not follow the proposed guidelines of this template. We are discussing a change in the template's guidelines in order to proceed with your proposed changes. Looking if your changes have been applied for changing the guidelines is much like demanding for the weather to rain just because you have an umbrella.--Jetstreamer {{sup|Talk}} 13:34, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

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:206.204.236.63 (talk) 00:54, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

::That is an interesting proposal.--Jetstreamer {{sup|Talk}} 13:11, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

{{Infobox airline

| airline = Saudia
{{nobold|{{lang|ar|السعودية}}}}

| image = SMPTE Color Bars.svg

| fleet_size = 151

| destinations = 121

| IATA = SV

| ICAO = SVA

| callsign = SAUDIA

| parent = Government of Saudi Arabia

| founded = {{start date and age|df=yes|1945|09}}

| num_employees =

| headquarters = Jeddah

| key_people = {{plainlist|

• Saleh Aljasser (Chairman)
• Ibrahim Alomar (Director General){{cite web |url=https://www.news1.news/sa/2019/10/saudi-airlines-entrusts-sami-sindi-with-the-duties-of-the-general-manager.html/ |title=Saudi Airlines entrusts Sami Sindi with the duties of the General Manager |work=News1 |access-date=28 October 2019 }}{{Dead link|date=May 2023 |bot=InternetArchiveBot |fix-attempted=yes }}
• Ibrahim Alkoshy (CEO){{citation needed|date=October 2022}}

}}

| aoc =

| hubs = {{plainlist|

• King Fahd International Airport, Dammam
• King Abdulaziz International Airport, Jeddah
• King Khalid International Airport, Riyadh

}}

| focus_cities =

| frequent_flyer = Al Fursan Loyalty

| alliance = {{Unbulleted list

| SkyTeam

| SkyTeam Cargo

}}

| subsidiaries = Flyadeal

| website = {{URL|saudia.com}}

}}

{{clear}}

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: {{done}} * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:45, 28 September 2023 (UTC)