User talk:RoySmith/Archive 58#CLOP on The Chequers, Potters Bar

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{{clear}} Abishe (talk) 13:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the "poison" issue

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&oldid=1193633884 Khaled2200 (talk) 14:29, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/In focus and make any corrections in next 2 days. There will still be copy editing and E-i-C edits/approval, but not much to do about those. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 21:11, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

:@Smallbones thanks for the ping. I made a few minor copyedits and wrote a short lead. RoySmith (talk) 22:11, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Roy, fancy taking a look at that range? You seem to be the expert. There's a registered editor on it (though I've just hard blocked it) and I wanted someone more familiar to decide whether they need any action. I was just processing an AIV report so the only background I have is a skim of the cuwiki page. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:06, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

:@HJ Mitchell I'll take a look. RoySmith (talk) 22:12, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

== Help ==

I got your name from Talk:List of federal political scandals in the United States. I was so impressed with that article that I thought the same should be done for each of the states as well, and so submitted a similar article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:List_of_state_political_scandals_in_the_United_States in April 2023. I was careful to keep the same style, tone and parameters as the original, but it was rejected because “This article is so long that you cannot use this many templates”.

So I broke the article into 50 smaller, individual articles, one for each state, re-wrote the all citations and removed about half of them (the older ones to make it shorter), re-wrote all the references using one style and one template and re-submitted. To my surprise they were accepted immediately. I kept submitting and publishing one by one all the way up to Draft:Political Scandals of Oklahoma, when they were all suddenly challenged and removed, all 37 of them. The admin who originally accepted them seems to have changed his mind.

The reasons given for their removal varies by editor, but they were mostly the same reasons mentioned at the discussions about List of federal political scandals in the United States. That is, the definitions were too vague, there was original research, there was not enough original research, they weren’t notabile, and there was too much recentism, etc. It’s finally clear to me that the reason my original article and the 37 similar articles was rejected was the SUBJECT.

I’ve created a sister article to List of federal political scandals in the United States. If that is an acceptable article, so is this one. I would really prefer the easy access format of my first submission of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:List_of_state_political_scandals_in_the_United_States rather than the state by state approach. Can you help?Johnsagent (talk) 18:32, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

:@Johnsagent Perhaps ask at WP:Teahouse; the folks who work there are probably better equipped to answer your question than I am. RoySmith (talk) 18:46, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

::What makes you think the WP:Teahouse is any more Conservative-sox free than the New Articles editors? I've tried twice and been shot down both times. And I'm so Wiki illiterate I can't figure a way past it. You were my last, best hope Obi-wan.Johnsagent (talk) 18:57, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

In the summer of 2023, you dealt with a block evading troll who was filing frivolous SPIs against me and others to get them blocked-[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Suthasianhistorian8&diff=prev&oldid=1165687338] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Suthasianhistorian8&diff=prev&oldid=1166533669].

Unfortunately he is continuing his trolling and disruption-[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/HaughtonBrit] & is making these ridiculous, troll edits today-[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Raid_of_Panipat_(1770)&diff=prev&oldid=1195592414] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Standoff_at_the_Khyber_Pass_(1834%E2%80%931835)&diff=prev&oldid=1195592752]. I was hoping someone could look at the SPI case so his trolling could be at least somewhat impeded. Thanks. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 13:55, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

:Now he is falsely calling unblocked users sockpupppets in his edit summaries-[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2601:547:B00:E453:805:3200:CC87:425E]. This is beyond unacceptable. 14:02, 14 January 2024 (UTC) Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 14:02, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

{{ping|RoySmith}}He is the one falsely calling me sock of HaughtonBrit. You can investigate and it will be proven without any benefit of doubt that users Leviathan12 and Monabhaii are none other than socks of KamalAghan01 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Kamal_Afghan01]. Same interest in articles that were vandalized by socks of KamalAfghan01. Quick check will prove it. Suthasianhistorian8 is quite familiar with these socks and deliberately trying to prevent from this findings. This user needs to stop his harassment of other users.

{{u|Suthasianhistorian8}} I'm less involved in that these days, so my recommendation is to file an SPI report. RoySmith (talk) 16:23, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Happy new year @RoySmith! Thank your help and reasoning on the DYK for The Chequers, Potters Bar. You mentioned at the time that the history section was closely paraphrased from [https://southherts.camra.org.uk/2019/05/a-pint-at-the-local-13-chequers-potters-bar/ here]. I have tried to rewrite the section to remove this, but I would like a second opinion on if this has been done effectively, and I thought you were the best person to go to.

Kind regards, JacobTheRox (talk) 12:31, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

:@JacobTheRox Hi, and thanks for your note. I'll be on the road all day today, but I'll try to take a look when I get time. RoySmith (talk) 12:54, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

::@JacobTheRox OK, we're on a break now, so I took a look. I don't remember exactly what it was like earlier, but let's look at one paragraph from the current version and from https://southherts.camra.org.uk/2019/05/a-pint-at-the-local-13-chequers-potters-bar/, which I assume was used as the source:

::{{text and translation|From 1815 the pub passed through the hands of various chains - first the Hatfield Brewery tied estate, and by 1837 was in the hands of Alfred Pryor, then his son Edward in 1876. In 1881 the company was renamed to Pryor Reid when Edward's brother in law, Percy Reid, joined the company. In 1920 the Chequers and its company of the same name was sold to Benskins Brewery, which in 1956, was bought by Ind Coope, which in turn merged into Allied Breweries in 1961. In 1978, as part of a larger trade, the pub was transferred to the now defunct Courage Brewery. The pub was made Grade II listed on 12 August 1985, just before it received a major refurbishment in 1987.|In 1815 the pub was part of the Hatfield Brewery tied estate and by 1837 was in the hands of Alfred Pryor. His son Edward bought the brewery and its pubs in 1876 and in 1881 his brother-in-law, Percy Reid, joined the company which continued as Pryor Reid. In 1920 the company – and the Chequers – was sold to Benskin’s of Watford who were bought by Ind Coope in 1957 and then subsequently Allied Breweries in 1961 when Ind Coope joined Taylor Walker and Ansells in the new company. It was in 1976 that real ale re-appeared at the Chequers in the shape of Ind Coope Burton Ale but in 1978, as part of a larger pub swap, the pub was transferred to Courage who installed handpumps for Courage Bitter and, fairly rare for the time, Courage Directors. A major re-fit in 1987 opened out the interior of the pub which went on to be passed through the hands of pub companies.}}

::The automated comparison is available via earwig [https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&oldid=1195584440&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1] For sure, some things will fall into the "there's only so many ways to say that" category. Certainly, years, names of people and places, etc, will all appear in both versions identically; that's not the issue. What I'm looking for as a reviewer is not the matching words (which is what the automated tool picks up), but also the overall flow. If you look at the two versions, it's clear that the wiki text was created by going through the source sentence-by-sentence, tweaking words here or there. If you ask multiple reviewers, you'll probably get different opinions on this, but to my mind, this still constitutes close paraphrasing. What you want to do is read the source, understand what it's saying, and then write some original prose of your own which expresses the key ideas. I you start with the original text and modify it by changing words, rearranging sentences, etc, you will inevitably end up with a problem.

::Hope that was helpful. RoySmith (talk) 17:16, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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I wonder if you meant to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ADid_you_know%2FPreparation_area_5&diff=1196983224&oldid=1196944112 leave behind this orphan "?"] Maybe a placeholder? Bruxton (talk) 17:08, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

:I snarfed that to fill the gap in the queue after I pulled Kevin Lippert. Somebody else can back-fill the prep. RoySmith (talk) 17:13, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Both Bethan Lewis & Lleucu George were created by a blocked user, please draftify so that I can make edits to it. Thank you.

Requests for undeletion denied here WP:RFU & here WP:RFU. Recommended to talk to you. LouisOrr27 (talk) 13:48, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

:Sorry, those were created a a WP:LTA. I'm not going to restore them. RoySmith (talk) 15:58, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

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I've finally set up the page for part 2 at Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/In focus. Please take a look and make changes as you see fit. We should be able to pick up any technical stuff after that. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 18:38, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

:Hi @Smallbones Thanks for the ping. I've been making small changes to the copy in my user space, which I see you've just renamed, so all good there. I like the idea of using :File:Grandstand and clubhouse at Fleetwood Park.jpg instead of repeating the same image, so I did that. RoySmith (talk) 21:59, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you today for Fleetwood Park Racetrack, "about a horse racing track which existed during the late 1800s in what is now the Bronx borough of New York City. Almost all physical traces of the track are gone, although the name Fleetwood is still used in many ways in the area."!

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RoySmith, you unpromoted this nomination due to significant issues noted at WT:DYK back on January 3 (see Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive_196#The Chequers, Potters Bar for details), but never retranscluded it on the main nominations page. Four weeks later, it's still in limbo; the nominator appears to have done some work to address the CLOP issues on January 14, but I have no idea whether this is enough. There's also recently been activity around DYK to clean out many unfinished nominations that are over two months old, and this one is approaching three months, having originally been nominated on November 4, the date it was originally 5x expanded.

Can you please take a look and see whether it looks like this is ready for promotion? If it isn't, it should probably be closed; if it is, perhaps you could note its current state with the appropriate icon? Please let me know one way or the other. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:41, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

:@BlueMoonset I've closed the nomination. RoySmith (talk) 15:19, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

::Thank you. I've done the formal rejection. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:29, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

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