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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of anthems of micronations

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. An initial head-count of 7 deletes/4 keeps suggests that no solid consensus has formed; an evaluation of the arguments raised confirms this. –Juliancolton | Talk 16:56, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

:Upon re-evaluation, it seems my initial closure was incorrect. Arguments for deletion are solidly backed up by policy, while most counter-arguments simply assert that sources exist. Thus I am re-closing this as delete. –Juliancolton | Talk 17:26, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

=[[List of anthems of micronations]]=

:{{la|List of anthems of micronations}} ([{{fullurl:List of anthems of micronations|wpReason={{urlencode: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of anthems of micronations}}&action=delete}} delete]) – (View AfD)(View log)

These anthems have no notability. No reliable sources are cited, and I doubt any exist. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. J Milburn (talk) 02:25, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Delete. Micro notability for macro trivia. Also delete Flags of micronations and List of micronation currencies. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:37, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. -- (X! · talk)  · @165  ·  02:57, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete. Although the Marvin Gaye song is notable (but hardly for qualifying for this list). Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 03:47, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Merge These fascinating details to a collective article/ fact sheet about micronations. This is worthwhile content and reliable source exist on micronations to verify it. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete, nothing prevents each article on a micronation from containing the information. This list already has an external link for one "nation", suggesting it is an attempted end run around notability requirements. Abductive (talk) 19:28, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete Nonnotable vanity/hobby/nonsense material. Wikipedia is WP:NOT a collection of indiscriminate information. Edison (talk) 20:04, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep Several independent sources have been added, some of which mention the anthems. John Lennon wrote the Nutopia one. "Nonsense" is not a valid argument. Avoid judgement. The topic is not at all serious, but it is notable. Aymatth2 (talk) 03:36, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
  • "Some of which"? You mean this is partially backed up by sources that don't even talk about it? J Milburn (talk) 12:34, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep revising my vote to keep per the establishment of notability. That micronations are a quirky topic is irrelevant. Notability is established by substantial coverage in reliable sources, and these anthems have been covered as the sources added demonstrate. A merge would be okay with me to if the verifiable content isn't lost. ChildofMidnight (talk) 15:19, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete as a list of trivia linking some real places that claim to be states (Sealand) with fantasy creations and online clubs that are barely notable, if at all. The info is in the articles themselves, so no real content is lost by getting rid of this hopeless listcruft. Jonathunder (talk) 17:05, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep lots of independent sources.--Yopie (talk) 20:32, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Have you looked through those sources? Most are primary, some don't even mention micronation anthems. Could someone please show me some decent sources discussing this? J Milburn (talk) 21:28, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep People constantly assume that micronations are non-notable hoaxes. This list is useful to people interested in micronations. Those who think it should be deleted might want to read the article on micronations and this FAQ to gain a better understanding of what micronations are, and then reconsider their opinion. --Micromaster (talk) (contributions) 16:20, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

:A few of them are well known and notable; most are not. Many are online clubs or things thought up in school one day. This list combines both, giving undue weight and undue attention to the silly and barely notable. What purpose is servced by a list that groups something like Sealand with some Internet group? The sources do not, despite what is claimed, establish notability for this odd collection. They are at best tangental to the topic. Jonathunder (talk) 17:14, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Delete Pointless listcr*ftalia. Plutonium27 (talk) 00:14, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete I agree, while there certainly is sourcing, the sources, with the exception of Nutopia, address the countries, not the anthems. Even the Nutopia references only mention the connection to John Lennon, and that it is a momment of silence (which we seem to get wrong on the list, I'll change the length to six seconds to match the source). I would be ammenable to a merge, but it looks like the sourced information is all ready in the respective articles. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 13:40, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.