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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of programs broadcast by MeTV Toons

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. The delete arguments cite policy much more clearly than do the keep arguments. Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 07:29, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

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Channel with 99% reruns of older series, their programming lacks notability. Fram (talk) 07:56, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

:Keep or delete other articles First, note on the reason this article was created. The material in this article was transferred from MeTV Toons, which made the article as noted "too long to comfortably read the main article". This article/list is not any different from others on Wikipedia. It contains references provided by other editors for verification. This article is directly the same as others under the category: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_television_series_by_network Lists_of_television_series_by_network]. Please visit this category to confirm. If we limit articles/lists to original programming and not list rerun programs, we will need to delete a lot of articles/lists such as ION or Antenna TV for example. Thus, what do we consider as "notable"?. This is not the only channel that is currently listed on Wikipedia as per quote "Channel with 99% reruns of older series, their programming lacks notability." Msw1002 (talk) 19:08, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

  • Keep I might be missing something here, but where does it say originals has notability, but reruns don't? The owner of this channel Weigel Broadcasting has better viewership than Hallmark, A&E networks or AMC that do have original programming. https://www.nielsen.com/data-center/the-gauge/#viewing-by-distributor

:One thing I do say about this list article, it does need some cleanup. However, deletion doesn't sound correct. Rivertown (talk) 00:53, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

  • Delete Every television channel that exist doesn't get to list every single program they show. These are shows someone else created for different channels. Only one original program, so no need for a list for just that. Dream Focus 15:30, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
  • :* Comment As someone mentioned above, where does it say a list qualifies as notable when it only lists original programs specifically? I can see the concern over a list, especially not referenced. I did not create this list, just moved it out of the main article, which was becoming too long with this list included. The lists such as List of programs broadcast by Antenna TV and others have been on Wikipedia for over a decade with no issues at this point. Just mentioning....
  • :Msw1002 (talk) 00:52, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Keep This channel has already proven to be very popular for its iconic selection of toons. I think it totally deserves to have an extension with a list of programs page. Voicebox64 (talk) 22:11, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
  • :I agree. Viewers should know what airs on the channel. 12.28.52.122 (talk) 19:01, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
  • ::I doubt the average Joe is going to look at what programs are broadcasted on the channel on Wikipedia. Procyon117 (talk) 15:03, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 07:58, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

  • Delete The channel's programming is better summarized in a paragraph in the main article about programming than yet another adverty WP:NOTTVGUIDE violation. Nate • (chatter) 22:29, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
  • :* Comment Hopefully, you will start or support a deletion of List of programs broadcast by Antenna TV as well. This is the same type of list with this kind of violation. :)
  • :Msw1002 (talk) 01:39, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Delete unreliable sources and no reason why it should be a separate article. Stanley Joseph Wilkins (talk) 00:59, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Delete The channel, like most diginets, has little to no original programming. A reasonable summary of channel programming and more detail of any original programming can be provided in the parent article. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 22:00, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment Last comment (I promise!), because this list is headed for deletion. Why are other similar list articles not up for deletion? No one seems to want to mention or address that. 🤔🤫🫣Msw1002 (talk) 17:50, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Delete: This channel largely exists to show reruns of older television shows. Wikipedia should not serve as a guide for what one can watch on random television channels. ―Susmuffin Talk 20:46, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Delete. Does not seem to show any original content. WP:NOTTVGUIDE. --woodensuperman 12:13, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
  • :yes, they do, see above; but even if that was not the case, a list of programs may be considered notable even if not (completely) original ( =coverage on the topic as a set includes https://www.animationmagazine.net/2024/05/metv-toons-unveils-debut-programming-schedule/ https://www.fastcompany.com/91152142/metv-toons-max-cartoons-looney-tunes https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/metv-toons-network-launch-weigel-broadcasting-warner-bros-discovery-1235988916/ https://www.pennlive.com/entertainment/2024/06/metv-officially-launches-new-cartoon-channel-on-your-dial.html; and other guidelines may apply anyway) Mushy Yank (talk) 13:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
  • ::Then it should be trimmed to original content only. --woodensuperman 21:10, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
  • :::I'm repeating my comment to you, since you are the only one who responds to others.🙂Here is my note from above:
  • :::Why are other similar list articles not up for deletion? No one seems to want to mention or address that. 🤔🤫🫣Msw1002 (talk) 23:35, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
  • ::::Maybe they should be. WP:OTHERSTUFF. --woodensuperman 06:43, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
  • :::::User:Msw1002, if other articles should be considered for deletion, then feel free to put a nomination argument together for them. WP:FIXIT. Liz Read! Talk! 07:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
  • ::::::Liz, Thank you for the heads up and suggestion.🙂
  • ::::::I was planning on doing this, but was waiting on the outcome of this discussion to back any argument for a nomination of deletion for any other similar article. Msw1002 (talk) 18:35, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: I don't see many P&G-based views here. The WP:TV essay says nothing about notability hinging on the originality of the programming, and adherence to GNG wasn't addressed here even once. We also tend to discard WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS-type votes, exemplified here with the retributive, "Keep or delete other articles". As always, a critical source assessment would be helpful.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 14:31, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Weak Keep: Reliable sources such as ABC News and Variety Magazine covered MeTV's programming when they launched, so it barely passes WP:NLIST.--DesiMoore (talk) 15:50, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

:Wouldn't that just deserve a paragraph or two in the main article giving examples, and mentioning original programming there, rather than listing everything the channel broadcasts on this dedicated list article? --woodensuperman 22:34, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

  • Keep This article provides more details about the kind of programming the channel carries instead of just "cartoons". Such as it doesn't have more adult themed cartoons. However, if this article is kept, it needs to be tagged for cleanup. Right now it looks a bit messy. Msw1002 (talk)
  • Delete Wikipedia is not a directory. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:31, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Delete - I did a search on the ABC News site and found no hits for MeTV Toons. I searched Variety and found [https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/metv-toons-network-launch-weigel-broadcasting-warner-bros-discovery-1235988916/ this story], which doesn't actually list programmes - it lists characters in those programmes. Weirdly it does mention the programmes broadcast on Cartoon Network's Boomerang channel, but only briefly. It's possible this is just an example of Google becoming weird nowadays, but at the very least I don't see the coverage discussed above - I'd be looking for at least two pieces of WP:SIGCOV of this channel's programming to pass WP:LISTN and I don't see any at all. FOARP (talk) 19:29, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
  • :Note: You are correct about ABC News. Not surprised, MeTV Toons is basically competition to Disney (ABC), so they will probably never mention them. I did find sources such as Variety, Forbes, Deadline, TVLine when I searched though. Msw1002 (talk) 00:16, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Delete. Fails WP:NLIST. Without independent sources discussing the programming as a group or set I'm not seeing how this list can exist. Fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 19:35, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
  • :Note: Please see my note above concerning independent sources. Thanks. Msw1002 (talk) 00:19, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

:::I did. The problem is that those source don't discuss this topic in a meaningful way as a "group or a set" (meaning in an in-depth fashion) as required by NLIST, and they are not clearly independent as they are basic puffery press releases.4meter4 (talk) 04:47, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

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:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.