Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 18

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:The result of the discussion was: rename/delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:37, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Northern Yuan rulers to :Category:Northern Yuan khans

:* Propose deleting :Category:10th-century Mongol rulers per WP:SMALLCAT (1 item)

:* Propose deleting :Category:11th-century Mongol rulers per WP:SMALLCAT (1 item)

:* Propose renaming :Category:12th-century Mongol rulers to :Category:12th-century Mongol khans

:* Propose renaming :Category:13th-century Mongol rulers to :Category:13th-century Mongol khans

:* Propose renaming :Category:14th-century Mongol rulers to :Category:14th-century Mongol khans

:* Propose renaming :Category:15th-century Mongol rulers to :Category:15th-century Mongol khans

:* Propose renaming :Category:16th-century Mongol rulers to :Category:16th-century Mongol khans

:* Propose renaming :Category:17th-century Mongol rulers to :Category:17th-century Mongol khans

:* Propose renaming :Category:18th-century Mongol rulers to :Category:18th-century Mongol khans

:Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C per parent :Category:Mongol khans. (:Category:Northern Yuan rulers also WP:C2D per List of Northern Yuan khans). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 23:46, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom, but presumably :Category:10th-century Mongol rulers and :Category:11th-century Mongol rulers should be merged to :Category:10th-century Mongolian people and :Category:11th-century Mongolian people respectively. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:53, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
• :No, because :Category:Mongolian people is a nationality, it refers to people from Mongolia (that is, citizens/subjects of the country of Mongolia). :Category:Mongols are an ethnic group that is not bound to any country or geography (although they largely originated in present-day Mongolia). Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:30, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
• :* Fair point, it means that :Category:10th-century Mongolian people should be nominated for renaming to :Category:10th-century Mongol people. And siblings too. But for now, let us not lose relevant articles for that category. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:47, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
• :*:Or just to :Category:10th-century Mongols. No need to add "people", that's not in this cat tree. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 23:28, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
• :*:* Ok. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
• :*:: Follow-up nomination, see here. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:28, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom. --Skovl (talk) 14:53, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:37, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Sarmatian rulers to :Category:Sarmatian monarchs

:Nominator's rationale: All people in the category are identified as "kings", except one "queen" and one "prince". Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 23:37, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:55, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom. --Skovl (talk) 14:53, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:38, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Biographies about reformers to :Category:Biographies about religious figures

:Nominator's rationale: Contains only one page, about a bio of Sunni Muslim scholar and reformer Ilyas Kandhlawi. – Fayenatic London 21:13, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:05, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
• Merge
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 02:15, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:38, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Preshevo Valley to :Category:Geography of Serbia

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 21:10, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom, possibly to :Category:Geographical regions of Serbia instead. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:08, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
• Merge to :Category:Geographical regions of Serbia
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:34, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:39, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Hampton Pirates men's basketball to :Category:Hampton Pirates basketball

:* Propose renaming :Category:Hampton Pirates men's basketball coaches to :Category:Hampton Pirates basketball coaches

:* Propose renaming :Category:Hampton Pirates men's basketball players to :Category:Hampton Pirates basketball players

:Nominator's rationale: Consistency with established naming conventions and the main article; Hampton's men's and women's teams are known by separate names (Pirates and Lady Pirates), so the gender descriptor is unnecessary. fuzzy510 (talk) 18:46, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 01:02, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:31, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:39, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Administrative divisions of ancient China to :Category:Administrative divisions of Imperial China

:Nominator's rationale: rename (and purge :Category:Provinces of ancient China), apart from this one subcategory all content of the category is about Imperial China rather than Ancient China. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:55, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:31, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:40, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Agent-oriented programming languages}}

:Nominator's rationale: There is already :Category:Agent-based programming languages. Geysirhead (talk) 15:39, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

:*Comment This category has been emptied by nominator. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:12, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

:*Delete as a redundant category that has been emptied out of process. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:36, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: combine (as per WAS). (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:43, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Viking rulers to :Category:Norse monarchs outside Scandinavia

:* Propose renaming :Category:Viking Age monarchs to :Category:Norse monarchs

:Nominator's rationale (Viking rulers): This is the definition currently given at :Category:Viking Age monarchs. "Viking rulers" is too vague, moreover "Viking" is in :Category:Pirates and :Category:Medieval piracy, which may not necessarily apply to all these Norse monarchs outside Scandinavia.

:Nominator's rationale (Viking Age monarchs): The definition given is essentially all Norse / North Germanic monarchs in Denmark, Sweden and Norway in the 8th to 11th century. "Viking Age monarchs" is just not clear enough, because it doesn't necessarily mean the monarchs in question were "Vikings", just that they reigned during the "Viking Age". It's also not clear they were all "pirates". We should call them "Norse", as they are in :Category:Norsemen, and it is how the category is described, and its subcats work. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 14:36, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• Combine the two to :Category:Norse monarchs. Agree with nom for 95%, but "outside Scandinavia" is an unnecessary case of WP:OCMISC. Besides, once renamed, a few articles should be manually moved to :Category:Vikings as not all are clearly monarchs. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:16, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
• :That's a good idea, I wouldn't mind that solution at all. I had my doubts already but you've confirmed them. Let's see what others think. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 23:22, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
• Combine the two to :Category:Norse monarchs per Marco. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:17, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
• Rename :Category:Viking Age monarchs to :Category:Norse monarchs, then Merge :Category:Viking rulers to :Category:Norse monarchs, preserving history.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:24, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename & reparent. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:45, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Mongol rulers to :Category:Mongol monarchs.

:Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C. Parent is :Category:Asian monarchs, children are "monarchs" (Timurids and Chobanids) or "khans" (the rest). Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 14:05, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

:PS: Re-parent from :Category:Mongolian people (=people from Mongolia) to :Category:Mongols (=ethnic group), because many of these Mongol monarchs weren't born in Mongolia itself anymore, and probably never visited it, as they spent their reigns in other parts of Asia or even Europe. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 23:30, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• Rename and re-parent per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:22, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
• Rename and re-parent — monarchs by occupation, not "born" in Mongolia.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:23, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: upmerge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:46, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:China expeditions to :Category:Expeditions in China

:Nominator's rationale: rename, better grammar. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:45, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• Upmerge to parents :Category:Asian expeditions and :Category:History of China — WP:SMALLCAT — if kept, it would be "to" matching siblings "to India" and "to the Himilayas".
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:16, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Yes, merging is fine too, with the limited number of articles in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:18, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Split to :Category:Superhero detectives (as already done) (non-admin closure) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:04, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose purging {{lc|Fictional detectives}}

:Nominator's rationale: purge superheroes from this category. While superheroes undoubtedly do some amateur detective work too, I do not think it is helpful to have them in this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:17, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• Maybe this should be argued case by case. The category seems justified for Moon Knight, e.g. "Mr. Knight works with the NYPD investigating police cases." The occult detective John Constantine need not be kept in this category as he is in the psychic & occult detective sub-cat. Batman has a citation for "Batman is regarded as one of the world's greatest detectives, if not the world's greatest crime solver," but is in a sub-cat for gentlemen detectives. Would it satisfy your misgivings to create a new category of superhero detectives? – Fayenatic London 21:27, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

:* The latter might be an alternative. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:23, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• Keep and create a :Category:Superhero detectives, per Fayenatic london. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:34, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
• Split to :Category:Superhero detectives, per Fayenatic london. Split is a Purge. Assuming there are a dozen of them.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:06, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

:* {{ping|William Allen Simpson}} {{done}} there are 52. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:21, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

:**@Marcocapelle, done what? — Qwerfjkltalk 16:47, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

:*** {{ping|Qwerfjkl}} I created sub:Category:Superhero detectives. The discussion can be closed as moot. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:26, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:47, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:1877 college baseball independents season to :Category:1877 college baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1893 college baseball independents season to :Category:1893 college baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1949 NCAA baseball independents season to :Category:1949 NCAA baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1950 NCAA baseball independents season to :Category:1950 NCAA baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1951 NCAA baseball independents season to :Category:1951 NCAA baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1952 NCAA baseball independents season to :Category:1952 NCAA baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1953 NCAA baseball independents season to :Category:1953 NCAA baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1954 NCAA baseball independents season to :Category:1954 NCAA baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1955 NCAA baseball independents season to :Category:1955 NCAA baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1957 NCAA baseball independents season to :Category:1957 NCAA University Division baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1958 NCAA University Division baseball independents season to :Category:1958 NCAA University Division baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1960 NCAA University Division baseball independents season to :Category:1960 NCAA University Division baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1961 NCAA University Division baseball independents season to :Category:1961 NCAA University Division baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1962 NCAA University Division baseball independents season to :Category:1962 NCAA University Division baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1963 NCAA University Division baseball independents season to :Category:1963 NCAA University Division baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1965 NCAA University Division baseball independents season to :Category:1965 NCAA University Division baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1967 NCAA University Division baseball independents season to :Category:1967 NCAA University Division baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1968 NCAA University Division baseball independents season to :Category:1968 NCAA University Division baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1969 NCAA University Division baseball independents season to :Category:1969 NCAA University Division baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1970 NCAA University Division baseball independents season to :Category:1970 NCAA University Division baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1974 NCAA Division I baseball independents season to :Category:1974 NCAA Division I baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1975 NCAA Division I baseball independents season to :Category:1975 NCAA Division I baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1977 NCAA Division I baseball independents season to :Category:1977 NCAA Division I baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1978 NCAA Division I baseball independents season to :Category:1978 NCAA Division I baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1979 NCAA Division I baseball independents season to :Category:1979 NCAA Division I baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1980 NCAA Division I baseball independents season to :Category:1980 NCAA Division I baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1981 NCAA Division I baseball independents season to :Category:1981 NCAA Division I baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1982 NCAA Division I baseball independents season to :Category:1982 NCAA Division I baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1984 NCAA Division I baseball independents season to :Category:1984 NCAA Division I baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1985 NCAA Division I baseball independents season to :Category:1985 NCAA Division I baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1986 NCAA Division I baseball independents season to :Category:1986 NCAA Division I baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1988 NCAA Division I baseball independents season to :Category:1988 NCAA Division I baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1989 NCAA Division I baseball independents season to :Category:1989 NCAA Division I baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1992 NCAA Division I baseball independents season to :Category:1992 NCAA Division I baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1994 NCAA Division I baseball independents season to :Category:1994 NCAA Division I baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1995 NCAA Division I baseball independents season to :Category:1995 NCAA Division I baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1996 NCAA Division I baseball independents season to :Category:1996 NCAA Division I baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1997 NCAA Division I baseball independents season to :Category:1997 NCAA Division I baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1998 NCAA Division I baseball independents season to :Category:1998 NCAA Division I baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:1999 NCAA Division I baseball independents season to :Category:1999 NCAA Division I baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:2001 NCAA Division I baseball independents season to :Category:2001 NCAA Division I baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:2003 NCAA Division I baseball independents season to :Category:2003 NCAA Division I baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:2004 NCAA Division I baseball independents season to :Category:2004 NCAA Division I baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:2009 NCAA Division I baseball independents season to :Category:2009 NCAA Division I baseball season

:* Propose merging :Category:2013 NCAA Division I baseball independents season to :Category:2013 NCAA Division I baseball season

:Nominator's rationale: Most seasons have 1 or 2 articles with no more than 3 in a season. Softly fails WP:OCMISC as being independent means not being in a conference. Independent is not a conference itself. Merge to main category for season. Optionally create a YYYY season by team category and populate with other articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aidan721 (talk • contribs)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:52, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
• Merge
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:02, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

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