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= September 17 =
== Category:July 1785 events ==
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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 12:29, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
:* Propose deleting {{lc|July 1785 events}}
:Nominator's rationale: Isolated cat. 1 article. The article is already in 1785 tree so no merging necessary. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:27, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:14, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
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==Category:Latin historians==
== Category:Formerly Azerbaijani-majority districts of Armenia ==
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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 12:30, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
:* Propose merging :Category:Formerly Azerbaijani-majority districts of Armenia to :Category:Districts of Armenia
:Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT and should be merged with :Category:Districts of Armenia. KhndzorUtogh (talk) 20:43, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- Merge per WP:NONDEF. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:22, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
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== Category:Sociology of food ==
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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Subfields of sociology. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 12:30, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
:* Propose deleting {{lc|Sociology of food}}
:Nominator's rationale: Over-categorization: Two year old category with one article Gjs238 (talk) 19:09, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- Merge to :Category:Subfields of sociology per WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:23, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
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== Category:1453 natural disasters ==
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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 12:30, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
:* Propose deleting {{lc|1453 natural disasters}}
:Nominator's rationale: Isolated year cat with only 2 articles (WP:SMALLCAT). The 2 articles are already in :Category:15th-century natural disasters and :Category:1453 trees so no merging is necessary. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:31, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:24, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
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==Category:Religious leaders of ancient Rome==
== Category:Cemeteries in Virginia ==
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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 12:31, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
:* Propose merging :Category:Cemeteries in Charlottesville, Virginia to :Category:Cemeteries in Virginia and :Category:Buildings and structures in Charlottesville, Virginia
- :Category:Cemeteries in Williamsburg, Virginia to :Category:Cemeteries in Virginia and :Category:Buildings and structures in Williamsburg, Virginia
- :Category:Cemeteries in Roanoke, Virginia to :Category:Cemeteries in Virginia and :Category:Buildings and structures in Roanoke, Virginia
- :Category:Cemeteries in Staunton, Virginia to :Category:Cemeteries in Virginia and :Category:Buildings and structures in Staunton, Virginia
- :Category:Cemeteries in Portsmouth, Virginia to :Category:Cemeteries in Virginia and :Category:Buildings and structures in Portsmouth, Virginia
- :Category:Cemeteries in Petersburg, Virginia to :Category:Cemeteries in Virginia and :Category:Buildings and structures in Petersburg, Virginia
- :Category:Cemeteries in Norfolk, Virginia to :Category:Cemeteries in Virginia and :Category:Buildings and structures in Norfolk, Virginia
- :Category:Cemeteries in Newport News, Virginia to :Category:Cemeteries in Virginia and :Category:Buildings and structures in Newport News, Virginia
- :Category:Cemeteries in Hopewell, Virginia to :Category:Cemeteries in Virginia and :Category:Buildings and structures in Hopewell, Virginia
- :Category:Cemeteries in Fredericksburg, Virginia to :Category:Cemeteries in Virginia and :Category:Buildings and structures in Fredericksburg, Virginia
- :Category:Cemeteries in Hampton, Virginia to :Category:Cemeteries in Virginia and :Category:Buildings and structures in Hampton, Virginia
:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT (1-2 articles). User:Namiba 17:47, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
:*Merge all per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:28, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
:*Merge all per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:50, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
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==Category:Brock Badgers ice hockey players==
== Category:Landmarks in Botswana by city ==
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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 12:31, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
:* Propose merging :Category:Landmarks in Botswana by city to :Category:Landmarks in Botswana and :Category:Landmarks by city
:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Botswana is a small country and the current category contains only 1 sub-category. User:Namiba 16:13, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:54, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
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== Category:Russian and Soviet emigrants ==
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:The result of the discussion was: split between :Category:Russian emigrants and :Category:Soviet emigrants. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 16:43, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
:* Propose splitting :Category:Russian and Soviet emigrants to :Category:Russian emigrants and :Category:Soviet emigrants
:Nominator's rationale: “Russian and Soviet” is not a nationality. People of fifteen nationalities may have been formerly Soviet, and there’s no reason to equate the Russian Federation with the Soviet Union. This should lead to the splitting of subcategories. —Michael Z. 18:09, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
- Split per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 20:18, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
- If kept, it should become a container category for the Russian Empire, for the Soviet Union and for Russia. When split, a "see also" note should be added. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:40, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
- :I could agree with the latter. NLeeuw (talk) 12:13, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
- :Mutual see alsos with all 12 successor states, or with the 3 Baltic states that were occupied too? Certainly not just one, because it isn’t NPOV to broadly associate Soviet identity with one former republic than others, when some significant proportion of individual category members are not defined by that stereotype. —Michael Z. 13:13, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
- :* It would not violate NPOV since the Russian Federation was broadly accepted as the successor of the Soviet Union in the United Nations including its Security Council. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:51, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
- :*:What’s that got to do with a category for individual people, even if it were exactly true? They are not all employees of the Soviet and Russian governments or something. About 138 million Soviet people in 1991 were not Russians. —Michael Z. 18:54, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
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- Split per nom. No reason why Russian and Soviet should be merged while Ukraine and Kazakhstan are separate -- 67.70.25.175 (talk) 06:44, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Relisting per request by {{u|Marcocapelle}} at WP:CFDWM.
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::So this was relisted because not all subcategories were included. Is there a requirement to CFD each one before this can be closed? Can someone generate a list of them all for discussion here? —Michael Z. 17:36, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
::* It is merely a very practical requirement: the top category just can't be split if the subcategories aren't split. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:56, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
::*:As subs are subdivisions of this category, I’d have thought that splitting it means splitting all. Can we updated this nomination so that that is clear? Or do I need to post a notice on every one? —Michael Z. 20:07, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
::*::Never mind. I’ve gone and nominated all of the subcategories for deletion. —Michael Z. 21:00, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
::*::* Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:11, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
::*::*:The relevant discussion for 39 subcategories is at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 September 18#Category:Russian and Soviet emigrants to Albania. —Michael Z. 15:33, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
::*::*::I'll wait for that discussion to be closed before closing this one. Qwerfjkltalk 12:33, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- Split all categories between Soviet snd Russian. Emigrants from the Russian Empire are not the same Russian emigrants too. 2001:1C06:2305:2E00:25CF:9151:5E6D:4678 (talk) 15:08, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
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==Category:Wattpad writers==
== Category:19th-century writers on archaeological subjects ==
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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 12:33, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
:* Propose merging :Category:19th-century writers on archaeological subjects to :Category:19th-century archaeologists
:Nominator's rationale: Trivial intersection that is small, vague, and overlapping Mason (talk) 14:26, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- Just delete, they weren't archaeologists but rather pyramidologists and already categorized as such. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:08, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
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== Category:Judges in British India ==
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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 12:34, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
:* Propose merging :Category:Judges in British India to :Category:British India judges
:Nominator's rationale: Could also be renamed to Judges from British India Mason (talk) 12:37, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:36, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
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== BCE to BC ==
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:The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 12:35, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
: Propose renaming
:* :Category:6th-century BCE texts to :Category:6th-century BC texts
:*:Category:4th-century BCE texts to :Category:4th-century BC texts
:*:Category:3rd-century BCE texts to :Category:3rd-century BC texts
:*:Category:2nd-century BCE texts to :Category:2nd-century BC texts
:*:Category:1st-century BCE texts to :Category:1st-century BC texts
:*:Category:1st-millennium BCE texts to :Category:1st-millennium BC texts added later
:Nominator's rationale: rename per WP:C2C: :Category:5th-century BC works etc. By the way, I don't think I would oppose if anyone would propose to move all BC to BCE, but it is not helpful to just have texts in a deviant format. This was opposed for speedy.
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– All C2C per :Category:1st-millennium BC works. Brandmeistertalk 10:36, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
- : Oppose speedy for these five BCE categories. A shift to BC from BCE is not neutral due to the religious connotations of BC, and should be discussed. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 13:43, 16 September 2023 (UTC)}}
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: {{ping|Brandmeister|BlackcurrantTea}} pinging contributors to speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:27, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- While using BCE or CE in some religion-sensitive articles is understandable, there's no reason to have some categories at BCE and others at BC. If BCE is to be used throughout all pages and categories, a wider discussion should take place rather than opposing here. Brandmeistertalk 14:19, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- :Support for consistency in naming. I don't have strong opinions about whether we use BC or BCE, and would be fine if we had a carve out for religious texts, as long as there's some consistency. Mason (talk) 17:54, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- :Oppose For consistency in naming, there's also :Category:1st-millennium BCE texts, to which these five categories belong. (It has a speedy tag, but I don't see its posting there.) Of course, as Brandmeister notes, BC / BCE is a topic for a much larger discussion. However, considering the importance of neutrality in Wikipedia, it seems strange to shift categories from more-neutral names to less-neutral ones. One could simply leave them alone, with the various texts unrelated to Christianity. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 14:01, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
:::Making some categories using BCE while the majority has BC is non-obvious for a casual reader. Categories are not articles where such difference could be evident. In fact, [https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=ru&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=BC+century&btnG= many, if not most, scholar publications use BC], it's no longer considered a Christian point of view, but rather an established common custom. MOS:ERA calls for consistent and uniform application of BC/BCE, as does MOS:STYLEVAR. Brandmeistertalk 16:13, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
- I have added :Category:1st-millennium BCE texts to this nomination just now. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:34, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Rename to match the parent categories. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:02, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- Rename for consistency with parent categories. In my observation the usage of CE/BCE is confined to the body of articles denoting a very specific point of view, so the notion that it would be more neutral than BC is a bit strange. Place Clichy (talk) 09:36, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
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==Category:Burial sites of the House of Mecklenburg==
==Category:Boran==
==Category:Civil servants from the Ottoman Empire==
== Category:Lesbians from Northern Ireland ==
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:The result of the discussion was: keep top level; merge the rest. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 13:11, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
:* Propose merging :Category:Lesbians from Northern Ireland to :Category:British lesbians and :Category:LGBT people from Northern Ireland
:* Propose merging :Category:Lesbians from Northern Ireland by occupation to :Category:British lesbians and :Category:LGBT people from Northern Ireland
:* Propose merging :Category:Lesbian writers from Northern Ireland to :Category:British lesbian writers and :Category:LGBT people from Northern Ireland
:* Propose merging :Category:Lesbian actresses from Northern Ireland to :Category:British lesbian actresses and :Category:LGBT people from Northern Ireland
:Nominator's rationale: SMALLCATs. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 01:25, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- I wouldn't expect much support for merging the top category. If the third and fourth category are merged their merge targets should become :Category:British lesbian writers and :Category:British lesbian actresses respectively, as well as (if that one is kept) :Category:Lesbians from Northern Ireland. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:46, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
:*A fair call on the writers and actresses; I have amended my submission. And I suppose I wouldn't be opposed to an alternate solution of collapsing the lower three all into :Category:Lesbians from Northern Ireland; it'd still be a bit small at just four entries, but if that's big enough for everyone else then so be it. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 07:37, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- It occurs to me, if the top category is not kept then there is another merge target for all nominated categories, namely :Category:LGBT people from Northern Ireland. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:06, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
:*Also a good point, also amended. Clearly I was too fast for my own good when I put this proposal up. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 22:45, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Neutral for now We can upmerge them for now, but I think a keep would also be warranted. I'm not persuaded either way. NLeeuw (talk) 22:33, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose merging parent category of :Category:Lesbians from Northern Ireland. As smallcat notes an exception: "unless such categories are part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme". British categories are typically split up into the four (wales, england, scotland, NI). However, I do support the rest of the merge, as those cats are really small. Mason (talk) 23:39, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
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- Keep the top level, merge the subcats up to it. I'll grant that four is less than five, but it's close enough to five that a category with four articles in it can be defensible — and the fact that British categories are quartered as much as possible into separate subcategories for England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland is a pretty good defense. Bearcat (talk) 12:04, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- Upmerge the three occupational categories, neutral on the parent category. Place Clichy (talk) 12:23, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
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== Category:People educated at Norwood Secondary College ==
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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 13:14, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
:* Propose deleting {{lc|People educated at Norwood Secondary College}}
:Nominator's rationale: As per WP:SMALLCAT. Only has 2 entries. LibStar (talk) 02:19, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
::Leaning Oppose. Small cat requires that the category not have the potential for growth. Mason (talk) 22:37, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
- Delete for now, with no prejudice about re-creation at a later date if it can be filled to the usual level (5-6 minimum). I could only find one other article which would currently go into this category. Grutness...wha? 03:10, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
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== Category:Serial killers by nationality ==
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:The result of the discussion was: keep. I will nominate :Category:Male serial killers for deletion as procedural follow up. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 13:20, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
:* Propose deleting {{lc|Serial killers by nationality}}
:Nominator's rationale: First of all, please bare with me, I'm not too sure what action is correct in this instance, so rather than deletion it might actually be merge or split.
:We currently have the categories "Female serial killers" and "Male serial killers". The female category has subcategories of female serial killers by country, whereas the "Male serial killers" category, has no subcategories.
:I propose to keep consistency and have the "Male serial killers" category have subcategories of each of the countries. Whether this means deleting the "Serial killers by nationality", merging, or splitting, I'm not sure. Panamitsu (talk) Please ping on reply 03:31, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- So this about :Category:Female serial killers and :Category:Male serial killers rather than about :Category:Serial killers by nationality. I'd say that :Category:Male serial killers is rather redundant because so many serial killers were/are male. While the subcategories of :Category:Female serial killers could be upmerged because there are too few of them to split by nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:50, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- See also previous discussion in 2015, with no consensus. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:08, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- oppose. Serial killers overall seem to be split by nationality, with subcategories for female serial killers by nationality. This makes a lot of sense, given the large proportion of serial killers who are male. If anything, it might be the "male serial killers" category which might not be needed, although an alternative strategy would simply be to make male by nationality categories and keep the "Fooian serial killers" top categories as container-only categories. Grutness...wha? 11:44, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- :oppose. per @Grutness Mason (talk) 17:56, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
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== Near East ==
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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus on Near East, redirect Near Easter countries.
- No consensus :Category:Near East
- Redirect :Category:Near Eastern countries to :Category:Middle Eastern countries
- Keep :Category:Ancient Near East (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 13:42, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
:* Propose merging REDIRECT :Category:Near East to :Category:Middle East
:* Propose merging REDIRECT :Category:Near Eastern countries to :Category:Middle Eastern countries
:* Propose keeping :Category:Ancient Near East
:Nominator's rationale: merge the first two with redirect, per WP:OVERLAPCAT, but keep :Category:Ancient Near East since "Near East" is the term that is mostly used for ancient historiography. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:22, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
- Keep & purge :Category:Near East per main article Near East. "Near East" was used until the early 20th century, when it was replaced by "Middle East". Although the exact differences between "Near East", "Ancient Near East" and "Middle East" may be unclear, as long as they have three standalone main articles, and Near East has a Template:About at the top explaining these differences, we should not be assuming they mean the same. But articles Gulf airlines and Near East South Asia Center for Strategic Studies should be moved to :Category:Middle East, since their scope is the 20th and 21st centuries, while Ancient Near East and Late antiquity may be WP:DIFFUSEd to child :Category:Ancient Near East, since they are evidently "ancient". The rest of the articles are fine where they are; "Anatolia", "Levant" and "Syria (region)" are used for ancient times up to the present, while "Mesopotamia" and Speri (region) are used for ancient and medieval but not modern times. I'm unsure about :Category:History of the Caucasus; I think it can be purged, but also kept, depending on one's point of view.
: Redirect :Category:Near Eastern countries to :Category:Middle Eastern countries as nominated. I agree with this, these are all modern states which can be properly called "Middle Eastern countries".
: Keep :Category:Ancient Near East as nominated. I agree with this per main article Ancient Near East being clearly distinct from Near East, which was the region's common name until the early 20th century. NLeeuw (talk) 10:55, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
:* Ok, purging one and merging/redirecting the other could be a solution too. I think :Category:Near East would then at least need a description on the category page about what kind of articles should be in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:14, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
- Merge/redirect per nom as an unnecessary overlap. Keep :Category:Ancient Near East . Place Clichy (talk) 13:27, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Keep or merge :Category:Near East?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE 05:34, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- Answer to relisting comment: after reading all the above comments, I am still in favour of completely merging :Category:Near East into :Category:Middle East, keeping only a redirect. As Marcocapelle pointed out, there is at present no proposal for a scope description of what kind of articles would remain in a rump :Category:Near East, should we keep such a category. Place Clichy (talk) 12:30, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
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== Category:Wikipedia unreferenced articles improved ==
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:The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 12:51, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
:* Propose renaming :Category:Wikipedia unreferenced articles improved to :Category:Articles improved by WikiProject Unreferenced articles
:Nominator's rationale: Proper grammar. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:39, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
::support. grammar is improved Mason (talk) 14:42, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
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