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:The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:48, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Single-photon detectors to :Category:Single photon detectors

:Nominator's rationale: New category matches existing Commons category. Fixes discrepancy: "Commons category link is locally defined". Kerel-fs (talk) 22:42, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

• I guess the reverse rename should take place at Commons, per e.g. Superconducting nanowire single-photon detector. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:13, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
• :Keep per @Marcocapelle. When opening this CfD I did not consider the reverse renaming in Commons. After this CfD is closed the rename in Commons can be performed.Kerel-fs (talk) 12:40, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
• :Speedy keep Correct usage of the hyphen-minus. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 12:04, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: dual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:49, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose splitting :Category:Coptic painters to :Category:Coptic artists and :Category:Egyptian painters

:* Propose splitting :Category:Coptic sculptors to :Category:Coptic artists and :Category:Egyptian sculptors

:Nominator's rationale: Dual merge for now. These categories is underpopulated, and should be upmerged. It doesn't help navigation to have only a handful of people in here Mason (talk) 22:00, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

• Dual merge, these people's art is unrelated to their Coptic ethnicity. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:25, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) 2pou (talk) 08:25, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

:* Course of action unclear but this category is populated with only three names. Not sure what category creator was thinking but ...

:Nominator's rationale: as stated above. 2600:1017:B817:8730:0:62:8A5E:7F01 (talk) 21:24, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

::Speedy Keep. There are 3 major categories in this, English, Welsh, Scottish. From your description, it seems suspiciously underpopulated, but in reality there are numerous people in the standard child categories. Mason (talk) 22:03, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

• Speedy Keep per Mason. Flawed reasoning. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:30, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:51, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Fictional characters with dream manipulation abilities}}

:Nominator's rationale: Too vague. Even I have dream manipulation abilities if I wanted to learn how to lucid dream. The truly supernatural kind can be classified under any number of powers and abilities, but in itself doesn't seem defining. It should be deleted or dispersed as appropriate (i.e. to psychics or characters who can use magic). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:13, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, these are mostly superheroes and supervillains with a long list of abilities. The few articles for which this is defining may be moved to :Category:Fiction about dreams. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:32, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:52, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Fictional illusionists to :Category:Fictional superhuman illusionists

:Nominator's rationale: If this category is to stay, it really needs to be more clearly separate from fictional magicians. Alternatively, maybe it should be dispersed. Is being an illusionist defining for all these characters? ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:15, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:NONDEF. I would expect fictional performing artists here, per Magic (illusion), but they are not here. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Negro league baseball personnel. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:06, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Negro league baseball announcers}}

:Nominator's rationale: Has only one page and is unlikely to grow. The only article is already in appropriate subcats of :Category:American sports announcers. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:08, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom and presumably also per WP:EGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:47, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
• :I would say WP:EGRS doesn't apply here because sports leagues have their own announcer categories (some further divided by teams). If this category can be populated, I would withdraw this nomination. But, unfortunately, I don't think it can grow. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:31, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
• ::Merge to Negro league baseball. I concur that this doesn't violate WP:EGRS as this was a league. Mason (talk) 22:10, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
• :::@Smasongarrison, I agree with merging it with the parent cat. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:32, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
• Merge To :Category:Negro league baseball :Category:Negro league baseball personnel. I actually don't share the WP:EGRS concern since this was a deliberately segregated set of sports leagues, but WP:NARROWCAT applies since there's only 1 article. - RevelationDirect (talk) 21:13, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
• :@RevelationDirect, @Marcocapelle, @Smasongarrison, I created a new category :Category:Negro league baseball personnel (matching for :Category:Major League Baseball personnel) for people who don't fit the remaining. If you agree, :Category:Negro league baseball announcers should be merged to this one. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:14, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
• ::Support this good suggestion Mason (talk) 14:14, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
• ::: Sure, that works better. Updated my Merge iVote above. - RevelationDirect (talk) 22:47, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
• ::::Merge to above target. Let'srun (talk) 15:43, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

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• ::::@RevelationDirect, I assume you meant to change your vote to "merge with :Category:Negro league baseball personnel", created to house all people associated with the Negro leagues. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:24, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
• ::::: Oops, you're right. Recorrected my earlier post (without leaving further strikethrus). - 01:32, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: No consensus * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:22, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:African-American inventors to :Category:American inventors

:* Propose merging :Category:Alaska Native inventors and scientists to :Category:American inventors

:Nominator's rationale: Per previous Cfd on "Jewish American inventors" - WP:EGRS. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:22, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support in principle, but I assume that all articles are already in a subcategory by century and/or by state, so that the nominated categories can simply be deleted. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:35, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
• :I'm fine with deletion. It seems as though all articles are in an appropriate subcategory. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:47, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
• Keep there are countless sources which specifically discuss African-American inventors as a unique topic, see [https://www.oprahdaily.com/life/work-money/g30877473/african-american-inventors/] for an example. There is also List of African-American inventors and scientists and List of Alaska Native inventors and scientists.--User:Namiba 19:31, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

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::Weak keep per @Namiba Mason (talk) 19:12, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

:::@Smasongarrison, the lists exists so the categories aren't necessary. Given previous precedence, shouldn't these ones be deleted as well? Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:00, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep African American/Neutral on Alaska Native George Washington Carver, Mark Dean, and Percy Lavon Julian are all known as African Americans who overcame discrimination to become prominent inventors, as noted in List of African-American inventors and scientists. Hopefully there is some historical cutoff point after which African Americans are well represented as inventors and we can put an end date on these categories, e.g. :Category:20th-century African-American inventors. - RevelationDirect (talk) 21:30, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge/delete/rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:17, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming merging :Category:1916 establishments in Hejaz to :Category:1916 establishments in Saudi Arabia :Category:1916 establishments in Asia, :Category:20th-century establishments in the Arabian Peninsula and :Category:Kingdom of Hejaz

:* Propose renaming deleting :Category:1916 in Hejaz to :Category:1916 in Saudi Arabia

:* Propose deleting :Category:20th century in Hejaz

:* Propose deleting renaming :Category:20th-century establishments in Hejaz to :Category:20th-century establishments in the Arabian Peninsula

:* Propose deleting :Category:Years of the 20th century in Hejaz

:* Propose deleting :Category:1910s in Hejaz

:* Propose deleting :Category:1910s establishments in Hejaz

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in Hejaz by decade

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in Hejaz by year

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in Hejaz by century

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in Hejaz

:Nominator's rationale: The 1916 category for Hejaz riyal is the only page categorised in this hierarchy. Saudi Arabia strictly began in 1925 but 4 other pages are categorised in :Category: Establishments in Saudi Arabia by year before that date, and it will be more useful for navigation to categorise this one likewise. The Hejaz riyal was the start of the Saudi riyal anyway. – Fayenatic London 22:27, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

• I would prefer merging to :Category:1916 establishments in Asia and to :Category:Kingdom of Hejaz and merge the oldest Saudi categories to years in Asia as well, in order to avoid anachronisms (and also to avoid very poorly populated categories). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:18, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
• Fair enough – that would match many precedents. There is a C18 category in :Category:Establishments in the Arabian Peninsula so let's also rename/merge to :Category:20th-century establishments in the Arabian Peninsula. – Fayenatic London 09:13, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
• See also Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_January_7#Saudi_Arabia_before_1925. – Fayenatic London 09:39, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
• Support, thank you for the revision. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:34, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:18, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Translators of Axel Munthe to :Category:Translators

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. There's only one page in here, and the subject of translation doesn't even have a category. Mason (talk) 17:53, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

• Just delete, the article is already in :Category:20th-century Austrian translators. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:26, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:20, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Arab social sciences writers to :Category:Arab non-fiction writers

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in where, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 17:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:27, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:20, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Applied mathematicians by nationality to :Category:Applied mathematicians

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one nationality in here, which is unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 17:38, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:28, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
• Merge for Now since this doesn't aid navigation right now but open to revisiting if more content appears, per WP:MFN. - RevelationDirect (talk) 18:22, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:16, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: speedy delete under criterion G4: recreation of a page previously deleted at a deletion discussion. I have also removed all articles from the category. There don't appear at present to be any subcategories. JBW (talk) 21:29, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Jewish martial artists}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete per a previous Cfd which deleted this category; the user deleted the container category but forgot nominate its subcats for deletion which is which this was recreated: for a target category for merging the two into one category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:37, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

::Here is the Cfd which deleted a select few categories, including this one. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:41, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

:::@Marcocapelle, pinging you since you were in the both Cfds related to this category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:10, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

• Obviously delete, {{ping|Omnis Scientia}} you may well tag the category page for WP:G4. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:23, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
• :@Marcocapelle, you mean speedy delete? Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:33, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
• ::Okay, I think I figured it out. Thanks! Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:34, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:21, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Women auto racing executives to :Category:Women sports executives and administrators and :Category:Auto racing executives

:Nominator's rationale: Has only one page. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:49, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support but the category can just be deleted, the article is already in :Category:Women in American professional sports management and :Category:Auto racing executives. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:20, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
• :I'm good with deletion as well. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:18, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
• ::Support per nom rationale. Let'srun (talk) 15:44, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: upmerge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:22, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:White nationalism in France to :Category:White nationalism in Europe and others

:Nominator's rationale: merge to all parent categories, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:15, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

• Upmerge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 21:57, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: dual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:23, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging:

• :Category:White Oceanian to :Category:White culture by continent or region

:Nominator's rationale: Only one category layer in each. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:05, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom, probably also to :Category:Ethnic groups in Oceania. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:23, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
• :Support dual merge per Marco. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:52, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:23, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging: :Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina diaspora by country to :Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina diaspora

:* Propose merging: :Category:Bosnian Austrians to :Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina emigrants to Austria

:* Propose deleting: :Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina diaspora in Asia

:Nominator's rationale: Only one category layer in each. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:05, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:29, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:56, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Pages containing cite templates with deprecated parameters}}

:Nominator's rationale: This category seems to only live on in old versions of citation templates. Since it doesn't serve anything, the old code can be updated to use the newer category :Category:CS1 errors: deprecated parameters. Gonnym (talk) 11:16, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

::@Gonnym, can you empty that category? I couldn't figure out how to. Qwerfjkltalk 17:27, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

:::I'll go over them now. There might be a few that are admin protected so I'll post here if any are. Gonnym (talk) 17:31, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

::::Think I got all instances. Gonnym (talk) 18:18, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

:::@Qwerfjkl, the category is empty. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:17, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:28, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Articles using obsolete parameters}}

:Nominator's rationale: This category seems to outlived its purpose. Categories are typically now created using the template's name as seen in :Category:Unknown parameters and :Category:Deprecated parameters. Gonnym (talk) 11:01, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: single merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:36, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Jewish biophysicists to :Category:Jewish physicists and :Category:Biophysicists and :Category:Jewish biologists

:Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection. I don't think we need to diffuse Jewish physicists by subspecialty Mason (talk) 06:22, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

::Support per Marco. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:32, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom, per WP:EGRS, but only merge to :Category:Jewish biologists because all articles are now in a nationality subcat of :Category:Biophysicists (I added a few). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:06, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

:{{ping|Omnis Scientia|Marcocapelle}} I've tagged added two more. Mason (talk) 18:14, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

::Support new nominations. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:47, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

::* Propose merging :Category:Jewish microbiologists to :Category:Jewish biologists and :Category:Microbiologists

::* Propose merging :Category:Jewish geneticists‎ to :Category:Jewish biologists and :Category:Geneticists‎

• Single merge these additional two, for the same reason as above. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:32, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:38, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Australian plays performed on Broadway}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Australian musicals performed on Broadway}}

:Nominator's rationale: As at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 November 9#Category%3AAustralian plays performed in Britain, it's always possible for any play from anywhere in the world to be performed anywhere else in the world at any time, so plays are not defined by the matter of whether they've been performed outside their home country or not. With almost 200 countries in the world, this would lead to extreme category bloat, requiring the creation of between 30 and 40 thousand categories for every possible combination of native country and performed-in country, which is not sustainable or maintainable at all. Bearcat (talk) 03:21, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:08, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and my rationale in the previous discussion. Pichpich (talk) 22:06, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. Already in targets. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:39, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Buildings and structures in Fredericia}}

:Nominator's rationale: Single-entry category for a municipality not large enough to warrant its own dedicated "buildings and structures" category. As always, this would be fine if there were several buildings and structures in this municipality with articles to file here, but it does not aid navigation of the wikipedia to have a dedicated category for just one building. Bearcat (talk) 03:17, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

• Support in principle, but merge to :Category:Buildings and structures in Fredericia Municipality and :Category:Fredericia. In contrast to most countries, the buildings and structures categories in Denmark are mostly organized by municipality rather than by populated place. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:19, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
• I have added the :Category:Buildings and structures in Fredericia Municipality to the page :Fredericia Speedway Stadium. I did not see this category option when I was looking to add a category to the article. Therefore deletion is sensible. Pyeongchang (talk) 10:39, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
• Delete/merge per above, makes no difference as the article is present in both targets. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:33, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
• Dual Merge for Now to :Category:Buildings and structures in Fredericia Municipality and :Category:Fredericia per WP:NARROWCAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 18:20, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

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