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{{ITN candidate

| article = Divaldo Franco

| recent deaths = yes

| sources = [https://g1.globo.com/ba/bahia/noticia/2025/05/13/morre-divaldo-franco-um-dos-principais-lideres-espiritas-do-brasil.ghtml G1]

| updated =

| nominator = ArionStar

| updaters =

| nom cmt =

| sign = ArionStar (talk) 19:31, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

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• Support, I don't see any problems. Cambalachero (talk) 19:52, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• Comment Most of his books don't have a ISBN. Grimes2 20:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

:Support Article is well-sourced and of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:01, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

{{ITN candidate

| article = List of political parties in Mali

| article2 =

| image =

| blurb = Interim President of Mali, General Assimi Goita, dissolves all political parties.

| recent deaths = no

| ongoing = no

| ITNR = no

| altblurb =

| altblurb2 =

| sources = [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/13/mali-dissolves-all-political-parties-after-opposition-figures-arrested Al Jazeera], [https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqj7z92xw9no BBC], [https://www.dw.com/en/malis-military-government-dissolves-all-political-parties/a-72533880 DW].

| updated =

| nominator = Panam2014

| creator =

| updaters =

| nom cmt =

| sign = --Panam2014 (talk) 17:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

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• Oppose This does not even have its own article, and is not important to post on ITN, this comes from a military junta, like Tajikistan and other nations, they do this, they are dictators, so we are not a newspaper. 2606:9400:98A0:92A0:4118:262A:9078:8BF5 (talk) 19:14, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• :Wouldn't it be a crisis for the ASS of Africa? Scuba 19:44, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

:Support on notability, but this really should have its own article Kowal2701 (talk) 20:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

• Procedural oppose The event described does not have an article. The dissolution is not discussed in any of the articles linked in the blurb (save for literally the five-word sentence, "On 13 May 2025, Goïta dissolves all political parties" in the Goita article). There needs to be a valid target article which will be bolded. Flip^andFlopped ㋡ 20:21, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

:*Support on notability, but it needs to at least have an article before being posted. NewishIdeas (talk) 20:47, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

• Comment a standalone article is not a requirement for ITN, just that there is an updated article. Per WP:ITNUPDATE, {{tq|the decision as to when an article is updated enough is subjective, but a five-sentence update (with at minimum three references, not counting duplicates) is generally more than sufficient, while a one-sentence update is highly questionable.}} Natg 19 (talk) 21:45, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• Comment According to One-party state, Mali has been here before from 1960–68 and 1976-91. The current junta was already failing to hold elections and this decree is an extension of its tyranny. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:12, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

{{ITN candidate

| article = Richard Garwin

| recent deaths = yes

| sources = [https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/14/science/richard-l-garwin-dead.html NYT]

| updated = yes

| nominator = Sunshineisles2

| updaters = Sunshineisles2

| nom cmt = American physicist.

| sign = Sunshineisles2 (talk) 16:41, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

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{{ITN candidate

| article = José Mujica

| recent deaths = yes

| image = Pepemujica2.jpg

| blurb = Former president of Uruguay José Mujica (pictured) dies at the age of 89.

| sources =[https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/uruguays-former-president-mujica-dead-89-2025-05-13/ Reuters]

| updated =

| nominator = TDKR Chicago 101

| updaters =

| nom cmt = Influential former President of Uruguay, arguably an influential South American politician in the 2010s. International obits already being published. Article in decent shape.

| sign = --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:46, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

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• Support as RD: The article is in good shape, but he's not big enough for a blurb. He's nowhere near the international significance of Pope Francis, a recent death that merited a blurb. Cambalachero (talk) 19:53, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb Big enough. A major political figure in Latin America, called the "poorest president in the world". ArionStar (talk) 20:32, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb Article looks good. Major political figure in his region as well as his nation. Passed several major reforms in Uruguay during his tenure. Ornithoptera (talk) 21:01, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb Notable enough for blurb. Sahaib (talk) 21:30, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb Notable enough; he was a major political figure in Latin America. Cocu15 (talk) 21:44, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb A household name for people around the world, especially due to his humility. I've heard his name many times in sermons and motivational seminars. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 22:02, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
• For those recommending a blurb, the article is very weak in explaining how he merits being considered a major figure. There are details scattered around but there should be a dedicated section that a reader can immediately be drawn to to understand that. Obits now may be able to flesh that out. Otherwise as it stands, I am not convinced he was a major figure to qualify for a blurb, as just being a former leader is not sufficient for that. Masem (t) 22:15, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
• :Is this a comment or was this supposed to be a "Support RD"? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 02:53, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• ::For all purpose, yes, the basic RD support is there as the normal quality is met. I just don't like that to a reader coming to the page that his significance as a major figure is something not glaring clear and instead diluted through the article. Masem (t) 13:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb You may have to read the whole article to kind of understand the influence, but I don't feel that (if an "impact and legacy"-esque section doesn't evolve naturally, which it might, especially with obits) we should be summarising articles within themselves just so people clicking through from the main page don't have to read the whole thing. Kingsif (talk) 22:38, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb. The article is in good condition; it only has one citation needed tag. Flibirigit (talk) 01:09, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb - Notable indeed and worthy of a blurb. Article could be more comprehensive but is good enough at this time for the Front page, in my view. Decently written and cited. Jusdafax (talk) 01:44, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• Posted blurb, but image protection still hasn't kicked in after 30 minutes. Schwede66 04:32, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• Pull, consensus is that old politicians dying when they are out of office shouldn't get blurbs. Also, this discussion wasn't given enough time for editors to weigh in. Abductive (reasoning) 09:21, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• :There is no such consensus. Jiang Zemin, Mikhail Gorbachev, Jimmy Carter, Benito Aquino, George Bush, Sr., even Henry Kissinger who was not head of state, former Greece King, all got posted. Probably there were even more whom I can't remember immediately. BilboBeggins (talk) 09:58, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• :Please provide the link on the claimed consensus and/or the discussion that led to it Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 10:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

• Support RD only as not notable enough for a blurb. Shocked that a blurb was posted less than eight hours after nomination. Celjski Grad (talk) 09:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

:Post-posting support blurb. Seems notable and famous enough for posting, 84 wiki pages. BilboBeggins (talk) 09:55, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

• Post-posting support blurb - Mujica's death made the BBC News homepage, which strongly suggests to me that his significance is more than merely local or regional. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:40, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• Comment: I still have not seen, in the article, in this discussion, or in news articles themselves, anything that makes him so internationally significant to deserve a blurb rather than just a RD. Significant, yes: he was a president, he was popular in his home country, he did some stuff as president, he held diplomatic relations with his neighbors, some people said nice things about him... but what else? And with all due respect to Uruguay, he's not even the president of a significant country, such as those in the G20. Cambalachero (talk) 13:21, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• :I guess nickname the world's poorest president makes him standout. BilboBeggins (talk) 15:14, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• ::A nickname? Big deal. All presidents have one. Again, what else? Cambalachero (talk) 15:53, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose pull This is not big news -- only 36K views yesterday -- but he's an interesting subject. And the priority for me is keeping ITN fresh. The blurb which would be reinstated is the Kentucky Derby. That was already over a week stale and it would be disrespectful to pull this for a horse race. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:41, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• :The Uruguayan government held three days of national mourning between May 14th and May 16th, and his state funeral, which included a funeral procession. 2409:4085:2D8F:5433:8088:B9F6:A745:64AE (talk) 13:44, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• :That doesn't seem a strong argument. There are always new news stories, ITN is always "fresh". Cambalachero (talk) 13:52, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• ::The previous blurb was the Pope and that was 6 days ago. That's not "fresh". Andrew🐉(talk) 14:35, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• :::We can't force news to happen. Most of the major stories going on are either tied to existing ongoing or related to politics, which we have termined are not great ITN without clear sign of a larger impact (like the tariffs and trade war onset). Eg the media is obsessed with Trump taking the plane from Qatar but that's not really ITN material. Masem (t) 14:40, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• ::::And yet you support a blurb about the death of a politician, and my request of clarifications about his impact is still unanswered. Cambalachero (talk) 14:44, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• :::::No, Masem did not. BilboBeggins (talk) 15:11, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• ::::::To be clear I didn't support posting in its current state - it should be crystal clear of someone's impact or legacy from sourced content in at least a few paragraphs within the article. I think there was some potential for that in this case but as of now the reader has to read through and pick that up from disparate parts of the article to see that. Masem (t) 17:04, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• ::::News is always happening, the news that passes through the gatekeeping of ITNC however is less regular. nableezy - 17:20, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• :::There's usually plenty of news. To confirm this just look at the Portal:Current events links – this day's has over 10 bullet points. The portal is productive because it doesn't have the same level of obstructive gatekeeping as ITN. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:41, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• ::::That portal doesn't have to worry about article quality. Masem (t) 16:15, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• :::::The new Pope was posted in just an hour at ITN while his article was the subject of intense activity of very variable quality. Speed was obviously the priority in that case; not quality. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:58, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• Post-posting support to counteract those trying to pull. I think he is significant enough to keep the blurb. --SpectralIon 16:38, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• :An explanation of why you think he's so significant would be more useful than a mere vote. I would have no problem to change to support if someone bothered to point some significant impact of his presidency that I may have overlooked. Cambalachero (talk) 17:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

{{ITN candidate

| article =Kit Bond

| recent deaths = yes

| sources =https://governor.mo.gov/press-releases/archive/governor-kehoe-statement-passing-former-us-senator-and-governor-christopher

| updated =

| nominator = Onegreatjoke

| updaters =FF2007TV

| nom cmt =American politician. Article needs some citations.

| sign = Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:15, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

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:Oppose still needs work on some of the uncited statements Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 08:24, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

{{ITN candidate

| article = Eddie Marzuki Nalapraya

| recent deaths = yes

| sources = https://news.detik.com/berita/d-7912252/eks-wagub-jakarta-eddie-nalapraya-meninggal-pramono-rano-melayat

| updated = yes

| nominator = Jeromi Mikhael

| updaters = Jeromi Mikhael

| nom cmt = Former Jakarta deputy governor

| sign = Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 08:55, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

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:Support Article is well-sourced and of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:48, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

:Support article is fine. Sahaib (talk) 11:58, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

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| result = Good faith posting, but WP:SNOW closing. This is absolutely certain to never be posted. See also: this essay. {{NAC}} -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 05:31, 13 May 2025 (UTC)}}

{{ITN candidate|article= Executive Order on Delivering Most-Favored-Nation Prescription Drug Pricing to American Patients|blurb=Donald J Trump revives executive order for most favored nation drug pricing| image=File:President Trump Signs Executive Orders on Lowering Drug Prices (50159243727).jpg|sources= [https://www.cnbc.com/2025/05/12/trump-drug-pricing-order-most-favored-nation.html 1] [https://www.biopharmadive.com/news/trump-most-favored-nations-drug-pricing-plan/747712/ 2] [https://www.axios.com/2025/05/11/trump-drug-prices-executive-order-pharmaceuticals 3] [https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/12/politics/trump-executive-order-prescription-drug-prices 4] [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lower-medications-cost-trump-truth-social-executive-order/ 5] [https://apnews.com/article/trump-prescription-drugs-most-favored-nation-35c281b542f0f3938489ee7e9360322b 6] [https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/global-trends/us-news-trumps-most-favored-nation-drug-pricing-policy-and-how-will-it-reduce-costs-slash-prescription-drug-prices-by-30-to-80-percent/articleshow/121109365.cms?from=mdr 7] | nom cmt = Highly publicized new development that people are likely to want clarification on |sign=Czarking0 (talk) 05:08, 13 May 2025 (UTC)}}

• Absolutely not, and this shouldn't even have an article. It's a big nothingburger. As of yet, it's just a direction to agencies to request things. If it were a mandate, it would almost certainly be overturned in the courts. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 05:15, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

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{{ITN candidate

| article = 2025 Albanian parliamentary election

| sources = [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/12/edi-rama-on-course-win-fourth-term-pm-albania-elections The Guardian]

| blurb = The Socialist Party led by current Prime Minister Edi Rama (pictured) wins an ouright majority in the Albanian parliamentary election.

| image = Edi Rama (2024-02-29).jpg

| updated =

| ITNR = yes

| nominator = Abcmaxx

| updaters =

| nom cmt = Preliminary results are in and looks like a foregone conclusion.

| sign = Abcmaxx (talk) 22:29, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

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• Support national elections are ITN/R This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:43, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

• Support ITN/R and article looks good Czarking0 (talk) 05:06, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality as there are multiple issues with the article. Firstly, there are swathes of unreferenced text. Secondly, the 'Results' section has no prose. Thirdly, the 'Results by county' sub-section contains an empty table. Fourthly, there is nothing about the post-election reactions from politicians and observers. The article has way to go before posting.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:06, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality as there's a lot of unreferenced text and no prose in the Results section. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 12:28, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

:Oppose - It's proven to be a rigged unfair election anyway with lots of new scandalous updates still coming out. Matete Plays (talk) 12:35, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

• Not ready. The material in the article seems fine, though could do with some copyediting. However, there is no prose whatsoever in the 'results' section or explaining the outcome, and the 'Results by county' table is empty. That needs to be filled out and at least a full paragraph of referenced prose added to the results section. Modest Genius ^talk 12:39, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

{{ITN candidate

| article = Sharpe James

| recent deaths = yes

| sources = [https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/12/nyregion/sharpe-james-dead.html NY Times]

| updated = yes

| nominator = Thriley

| updaters =

| nom cmt = American politician. Former mayor of Newark, New Jersey

| sign = Thriley (talk) 17:24, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

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• Support Article is ok. Grimes2 04:23, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support - Article is well-referenced, no tags. Jusdafax (talk) 14:23, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

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| result = Editors think that Trump policies are too volatile to be suitable for ITN. Schwede66 18:39, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

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{{ITN candidate

| article = China–United States trade war

| article2 = Tariffs in the second Trump administration

| image =

| blurb = China and the USA make mutual tariff reductions to de-escalate their trade war.

| recent deaths = no

| ongoing = no

| ITNR = no

| altblurb =

| altblurb2 =

| sources = [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cedy09wq25qt BBC], [https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/12/business/china-us-tariffs.html NYT]

| updated =

| nominator = Andrew Davidson

| creator =

| updaters =

| nom cmt = This is like a ceasefire in a hot war and seems quite a significant withdrawal from the precipice. What the final outcome will be is still uncertain but so it goes...

| sign = Andrew🐉(talk) 11:31, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

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:*Oppose, anything that this White House does is prone to massive and total reversals at the drop of a hat, so there’s no real point in posting anything policy-wise that they announce short of a declaration of war or launching an internal self-coup. RPH (talk) 11:44, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Its a 90 day pause. Not yet permanent. And unlike a combat situation ceasefire where we can tell if things are changed immediately, the impact of a pause in overseas trade will take weeks to see. Masem (t) 12:00, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem. TwistedAxe [contact] 14:06, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Good faith, but tariff rates from this administration are too volatile for us to post something like a temporary reduction to massive tariffs that he himself put in place just a few weeks ago. A few months from now, the massive tariffs on not only China but also the entire rest of the world will all be unpaused, and who knows whether he'll keep them, scrap them all permanently, or raise them even higher.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 14:43, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. We can't post every change in tariffs that Trump introduces / cancels / changes after a few days, especially in deals with individual countries. A lot of the US-UK tariffs were just removed or reduced by a new deal a few days ago, and I wouldn't expect that to be in ITN. Besides, this is removing a barrier that Trump himself introduced just a few weeks ago; it's performative politics designed to generate headlines not make sensible economic policy. Modest Genius ^talk 14:56, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Oppose This might meet WP:TRUMPHATE and not everything trump does deserves to be put on ITN, only something really outrageous and will have reprecussions might be considered for ITN. 2606:9400:98A0:92A0:F0CF:3A91:769A:29BB (talk) 17:56, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

::Oppose - given the track record so far, what comes up must go down. ^EF⁵ 17:58, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

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{{ITN candidate

| article = Kurdistan Workers' Party insurgency

| image =

| blurb = The Kurdistan Workers' Party announces it will disband, ending its insurgency against Turkey.

| recent deaths = no

| ongoing = no

| ITNR = no

| altblurb = The Kurdistan Workers' Party declares the end of its 46-year insurgency in Turkey, announcing its intent to dissolve

| altblurb2 =

| sources = [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-05-12/kurdish-separatist-group-pkk-ends-40-year-war-against-turkey Bloomberg News], [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/12/kurdish-militants-pkk-to-disarm-turkey-abdullah-ocalan Guardian]

| updated =

| nominator = ElijahPepe

| creator =

| updaters =

| nom cmt =

| sign = elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 06:48, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

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• Support, with either the insurgency or the Kurdistan Workers' Party as target articles. Historical and comparable to the dissolution of ETA, IRA, etc. Brandmeister^talk 08:19, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support with insurgency as target article. Proposed altblurb highlighting the length of the conflict. Insurgency "against Turkey" is a strange phrase. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 08:55, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support The end of a major insurgency. ArionStar (talk) 13:44, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support per above. TwistedAxe [contact] 13:54, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support huge development. Shadow4dark (talk) 14:00, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support on notability Article is generally well-sourced, but may need a little clean-up. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 14:01, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support altblurb in principle, but the insurgency article needs more updates. This is a major step in a serious conflict. The article is generally good, but only the lead & infobox have been updated with the latest events. The '2025 ceasefire' section halts at March this year, with no explanation of the recent events. That needs sorting out, as does the table that is orange-tagged for original research. The article on the party is no better, with just one unreferenced sentence on the ceasefire and a huge copy-paste of the PKK statement, which is probably copyright infringement. Modest Genius ^talk 14:02, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
• :The article now has two sentences (with one reference) of updates, which still isn't sufficient. It shouldn't be hard to write a paragraph about this, given the numerous media reports that are available. Modest Genius ^talk 11:06, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

:Support per all above, but I concur to wait until Modest Genius' objections have been dealt with to post. Departure– (talk) 14:58, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

• Support per above. IDB.S (talk) 15:02, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality About 5 or so unsourced paragraphs, one orange tagged section (which may not need to be tagged but one should check if the sources support the data in that tab) and some bad proseline in the latter third of the article. The item is significant enough for ITN, but quality is far from ready. Masem (t) 15:18, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support article looks decent with only slight cleanup needs Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 17:08, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support as a huge development in the conflict. Article could use some work but it looks good enough to post. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 19:04, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
• :Orange tag is a show stopper. Masem (t) 19:13, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support on notability, oppose on quality the end of such a long insurgency is definitely notable enough for ITN, but agree with Masem that the orange tags need to be addressed. Flip^andFlopped ㋡ 19:21, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Support as it's an event with historical consequences. Martianmister (talk) 21:39, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

• Support on significance and quality. There are a few inline citation needed tags, but no orange or red section tags, nor are any needed, so if I'm reading ITNCRIT correctly this is acceptable. For the humungous length of the article, it's in pretty decent shape sourcing-wise. Toadspike [Talk] 08:49, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
• Wait Premature, it's an announcement but that is not formalized. 80.212.144.89 (talk) 14:30, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support End to a 46-year insurgency which killed tens of thousands of people.
• Admin comment I've gone through the article and either deleted or hidden all unreferenced content. I've also protected a suitable image ("Female PKK guerrillas pictured"). However, the article is too thin on updates; there are a mere two sentences in the body and nothing in the lead. From my perspective, once that's been amended, this could get posted. Schwede66 20:02, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

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{{ITN candidate

| article = Arjun Menon (coach)

| recent deaths = yes

| sources = [https://www.straitstimes.com/sport/former-singapore-cricketer-and-coach-arjun-menon-dies-in-malawi Straits Times]

| updated =

| nominator = Robertsky

| updaters =

| nom cmt = Singaporean cricket coach. Died violently in foreign land.

| sign = – robertsky (talk) 06:27, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

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:Support Article is long enough with no missing citations. Bremps... 18:38, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose barely more than a stub at 1400 characters. If this is all the information and sources about him, then also not convinced he's actually notable enough for an article, but that is a separate question. For now, WP:ITNQUALITY is not met. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:43, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
• :So.... is this a stub or not a stub? – robertsky (talk) 04:27, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support As of now article is about 1600 bytes of prose which is over the minimum required for DYK (and my personal benchmark), which is 1500. Short, yes, but it meets all requirements of citation, etc. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 01:21, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

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| result = This isn’t supported as a notable event by the editing community. Schwede66 18:53, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

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{{ITN candidate

| article = 2024–25 Basketball Champions League

| image = Unicaja Cup Ceremony FIBA BCL Athens F4 20250511 (1) (cropped).jpg

| blurb = Unicaja (pictured celebrating) wins the 2024–25 Basketball Champions League.

| recent deaths = no

| ongoing = no

| ITNR = no

| altblurb =

| altblurb2 =

| sources = https://www.championsleague.basketball/en/news/final-four-mvp-carter-leads-unicaja-to-back-to-back-bcl-titles

| updated = yes

| nominator = Mehman

| creator =

| updaters = Erincoktem

| nom cmt =

| sign = Mehman (talk) 21:54, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

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• How does this compare with EuroLeague, which is on WP:ITNR?—Bagumba (talk) 00:38, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
• :The best teams play on the Euroleague, but is on a franchise system just like NBA and what they had wanted to do with the soccer European Super League. This has clubs enter via merit but since the best clubs bypass this competition the level is lower than the Euroleague's. Howard the Duck (talk) 03:17, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose We don't even post non-ITN/R sports event {{Strikethrough|as well as do not have a target article}}. Moraljaya67 (talk) 04:13, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
• :Neither of those are necessarily dealbreakers. There was consensus last month to post Ovechkin's goal record which isn't on ITNR, and there was no target article specifically dedicated to the event chronicled. Left guide (talk) 07:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
• :There is nothing that says a non ITNR sports event can't be posted, but one must show why, if that event is not at ITNR, its significance to be posted on its own for ITNC. Masem (t) 12:01, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. The top tier of European basketball is the Euroleague, which we already have on ITNR. Our article on the European professional club basketball system indicates that the Basketball Champions League is a less prestigious competition run by a different organisation. We already post at least three basketball competitions per year and I don't think this one is sufficiently impactful to include as well. Modest Genius ^talk 13:46, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:* Oppose along what Modest Genius said

:Czarking0 (talk) 04:51, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose both on significance (as highlighted above) and also article quality (no decent prose text). Joseph2302 (talk) 18:44, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

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{{ITN candidate

| article = Sabu (wrestler)

| recent deaths = yes

| sources = [https://foxsportsradio.iheart.com/content/2025-05-11-legendary-wrestler-sabu-dead-at-60/ Fox Sports Radio]

| updated = yes

| nominator = The C of E

| updaters = The C of E

| nom cmt = Lebanese-American professional wrestler, pioneer of hardcore wrestling

| sign = The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 17:10, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

}}

• Not ready: 31 CN tags are too much. MT₍₇₁₀₎ 15:30, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

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{{ITN candidate

| article = William Luers

| recent deaths = yes

| sources = [https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/11/us/william-h-luers-dead.html NY Times]

| updated = yes

| nominator = Thriley

| updaters =

| nom cmt =

| sign = Thriley (talk) 22:40, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

}}

{{ITN candidate

| article = Azmun Jaafar

| recent deaths = yes

| sources = https://www.detik.com/sumut/berita/d-7907961/kabar-duka-bupati-pertama-pelalawan-wafat

| updated = yes

| nominator = Jeromi Mikhael

| updaters = Jeromi Mikhael

| nom cmt = Indonesian local politician.

| sign = Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 04:13, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

}}

{{ITN candidate

| article = Koyo Kouoh

| recent deaths = yes

| sources = [https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2025/may/12/koyo-kouoh-art-curator-2026-venice-biennale-dies The Guardian]

| updated = yes

| nominator = Abcmaxx

| updaters =

| nom cmt = Article in good shape.

| sign = Abcmaxx (talk) 21:22, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

}}

• Support No issues. Grimes2 21:47, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
• support article is in good shape already Lajmmoore (talk) 06:49, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
• Strong support on notability: was due to become the first African person to curate the Venice Biennale. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 14:36, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
• :This isn't a blurb nomination, but you're free to propose a blurb for this individual. Departure– (talk) 14:38, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 03:44, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

{{ITN candidate

| article = Bob Cowper

| recent deaths = yes

| sources = https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-11/australian-cricket-bob-cowper-dies-age-84/105279410

| updated = yes

| nominator = HiLo48

| updaters =

| nom cmt = Australian Test cricketer

| sign = HiLo48 (talk) 05:10, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

}}

• Support article looks good Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 17:08, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
• Unreferenced date and place of birth. Schwede66 03:37, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

:It was NOT unreferenced. In fact, there is a note immediately following it that says "the source at the bottom of the infobox deals with this", which it does. However, to make it more obvious, I've added a source direct to the birth date and place. HiLo48 (talk) 08:52, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

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| result = (non-admin close) This would never be posted due to the non-conclusive evidence. This would also not match ITN/R and will also be closed due to WP:SNOW. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:9400:98a0:92a0:414b:940b:9475:8185 (talk) 16:29, 13 May 2025 (UTC)}}

{{ITN candidate

| article = Kosmos 482

| image =

| blurb = A 1970s failed Venus probe from the Soviet Union named "Kosmos 482" re-enters the earth's atmosphere, landing west of the island of Java in the Indian Ocean.

| recent deaths = no

| ongoing = no

| ITNR = no

| altblurb = Kosmos 482 lands in a part of the Indian Ocean, west of the city of Jakarta, Indonesia, after losing its tracking over Germany.

| altblurb2 = A failed Venus probe enters the earth's atmosphere over India, landing west of Jakarta, Indonesia, in the eastern Indian Ocean

| sources = [https://www.nbcnews.com/science/space/soviet-kosmos-482-spacecraft-crashes-earth-rcna205579 (NBC News)] [https://www.livescience.com/space/space-exploration/soviet-spacecraft-kosmos-482-crashes-back-to-earth-disappearing-into-indian-ocean-after-53-years-in-orbit (Live Science)] [https://blogs.esa.int/rocketscience/2025/05/07/reentry-prediction-soviet-era-venera-venus-lander-cosmos-482-descent-craft/?utm_source=chatgpt.com (European Space Agency)] [https://apnews.com/article/soviet-venus-spacecraft-kosmos-482-93871c98ca9c09a67219e238ed3e2eaa (AP News)]

| updated =

| nominator = 2606:9400:98A0:92A0:C4D9:BD2C:F4D8:E357

| creator = Smoth 007

| updaters =

| nom cmt = Long anticipated crash landing, considering back in 1972 and 1981, many pieces of the main bus of this probe fell back into earth. a few in 1972, and others in around 1978-1981. There is still ongoing coverage of this probe after it fell. Passes WP:N because of this, it has had coverage before the event and after the event.

| sign = 2606:9400:98A0:92A0:C4D9:BD2C:F4D8:E357 (talk) 15:13, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

}}}}

• Comment Blurb should probably contain the words "Venus", "Soviet", and possibly "1970s". Nfitz (talk) 15:36, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

:Strong oppose as apparently unimportant. Departure– (talk) 20:23, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose I personally think it's really cool that a failed 50 year old probe just reentered the atmosphere, but in reality, it just crashed harmlessly into the ocean. I'd say this is good faith, but it's not very important, nor did it have an effect on anything. qw3rty 22:04, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support original blurb Interesting event getting coverage that would help diversify ITN. An argument could be made that this is DYK and not ITN but I would personally like to see this posted. The article is in good shape. I also fixed the grammar of the original blurb. --SpectralIon 03:54, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
• Needs work It seems that the location is based on estimates rather than observation and different authorities have different theories. See [https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmack/2025/05/10/soviet-spacecraft-cosmos-482-location-after-reentry-baffling-watchers/ Location After Reentry Baffling Watchers]. The article likewise says that the location is not confirmed. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:11, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
• Misleading blurbs The alt blurbs read as if the probe landed sofly somewhere on the island of Java, near Jakarta. The original blurb sounds more correct, although too wordy. Besides that, weak oppose in terms of notability - no damage and no injuries; besides, space junk crashes frequently on Earth. Khuft (talk) 13:55, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. The article really glosses over how this mission failed. Its interesting about it finally reentering the atmosphere and crash, but the article needs to properly reflect the whole mission. Masem (t) 17:34, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Per Atmospheric entry#Uncontrolled and unprotected entries stuff enters the atmosphere every day. While this is more significant then most space garage, it is not significant enough to be worth mentioning. Perhaps If the lander was found, but it was not and probably will not be. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 21:12, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
• :we have the technology to go underwater, we might be able to find it Shaneapickle (talk) 21:17, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

:strong support If launches are important and posted, so is the other side.Sportsnut24 (talk) 06:46, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

::ITN does not post every space launch. Modest Genius ^talk 13:50, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. It came down roughly when predicted and fell into the ocean. There was no damage and no hardware has been recovered. This was a mildly diverting story for a few days, but will quickly be forgotten. This would make a nice DYK if the article can be sufficiently expanded (or brought to GA standard), but it's not significant enough for an ITN blurb. Modest Genius ^talk 13:50, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose One probe not a significant dent on this lot? And no significant dent on anything when it landed... Martinevans123 (talk) 13:55, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Oppose This would be a good DYK, but isn't significant enough to be ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 14:05, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

::It's been over a week since creation so unless we can get this article to 70,000 bytes within the next few days (current size 17,000 bytes) or to GA quality it won't find itself at DYK. Departure– (talk) 14:07, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

:Snow close Not going to be posted. Bremps... 21:18, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

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{{ITN candidate

| article = 2025 India–Pakistan standoff

| image =

| blurb = India and Pakistan agree to a full and immediate ceasefire after days of conflict.

| recent deaths = no

| ongoing = no

| ITNR = no

| altblurb =

| altblurb2 =

| sources = [https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cwy3jnl3nvwt BBC News]

| updated =

| nominator = Johndavies837

| creator =

| updaters =

| nom cmt = Conflict appears to have ended. Full ceasefire.

| sign = Johndavies837 (talk) 13:36, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

}}

• Support - Should be correct according to multiple sources Anonymous Anon Human (talk) 13:48, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

:Seriously? Support. Wasn't expecting a ceasefire after just a few days, but y'know. — ^EF⁵ 13:55, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

• Support, Gandhi can break his fast. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:04, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on the quality issue raised in the last related nomination, in that there were at least five separate articles covering this one flare-up and rife with POV issues. Significance of this is ITN-worthy but we need these articles sorted out first. Masem (t) 14:23, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
• :Is there a reason why we can't merge 2025 India–Pakistan standoff with 2025 India–Pakistan conflict? Besides a few days between them they largely cover the same ground. DecafPotato (talk) 14:34, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
• ::There's also 2025 India–Pakistan air engagements, that's almost completely devoid of content, other than 2 or 3 sentences in the lead, that aren't discussed in the actual article. Nfitz (talk) 15:31, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose we keep posting the same, relatively minor, story. The cease-fire line, and the occasional skirmish, are over 75-years old. Notwithstanding that, the articles are a hot mess; why there's actually 2 3 articles I don't know. Nfitz (talk) 15:20, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
• :2 nuclear powers lobbing missiles at each other's major population centers is minor? 2A00:23C8:B00:AD01:D47A:F13F:748C:E4DE (talk) 15:57, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per Nfitz :2606:9400:98A0:92A0:C4D9:BD2C:F4D8:E357 (talk) 15:31, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
• Wait Reports indicate that Pakistan has violated the ceasefire, which could lead to a resumption of hostilities.--9ninety (talk) 16:32, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

:Oppose As per Nfitz, article quality is not sufficient for ITN. Also, the ceasefire has seemingly ceased. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/india-pakistan-latest-minister-says-explosions-heard-over-srinagar-in-kashmir-just-hours-after-ceasefire-deal/ar-AA1EhBkX] --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 16:32, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

:Oppose, it has been broken. History6042😊 (Contact me) 01:03, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

:Strong support on notability, as the sole blurb needed for the conflict as the previous one was pulled per ERRORS. The ceasefire's shaky, yes, but per Al-Jazeera the ceasefire has been agreed to by both sides and the "explosions" appear routine and nothing's happened since then; this is akin to what Israel calls a ceasefire, and most of us rightfully have no problem posting those on their own merits. Oppose on quality, as the article that should be the target, 2025 India–Pakistan conflict, still has two orange tags. Departure– (talk) 01:22, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Reports indicate that both countries have already violated the ceasefire. This makes it about as credible as any ceasefire Israel makes. --SpectralIon 03:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
• Wait – More recent news indicates that the ceasefire still holds despite several violations (per CNN [https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/india-pakistan-operation-sindoor-05-10-25]), but those violations and wording from Indian officials indicate that the ceasefire is shaky at best. ArkHyena (they/any) 11:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

:Snow close Too many "oppose" votes. Bremps... 21:19, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

::The opposition isn't all on notability, though. Departure– (talk) 21:55, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

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{{ITN candidate

| article = Simon Mann

| recent deaths = yes

| sources = [https://www.thetimes.com/uk/obituaries/article/simon-mann-obituary-mercenary-behind-failed-wonga-coup-in-equatorial-guinea-nzh7jr86g The Times]

| updated = yes

| nominator = Thriley

| updaters = Psammeticus, Секретное общество

| nom cmt = British mercenary and officer in the SAS. Death announced 9 May.

| sign = Thriley (talk) 18:01, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

}}

{{ITN candidate

| article = Tom Farmer

| recent deaths = yes

| sources = [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgn3ngvm8eo BBC News]

| updated = yes

| nominator = Sahaib

| updaters = Tj7755

| nom cmt = Scottish businessman.

| sign = Sahaib (talk) 10:17, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

}}

• Support article looks good Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 17:09, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
• Unreferenced date and place of birth. Schwede66 03:35, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
• {{Reply|Schwede66}} done. Sahaib (talk) 08:49, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

{{ITN candidate

| article = Margot Friedländer

| recent deaths = yes

| sources = [https://www.dw.com/en/holocaust-survivor-margot-friedl%C3%A4nder-dies-at-103/a-72496380 Deutsche Welle]

| updated = yes

| nominator = Gerda Arendt

| updator = Qaswa, Gerda Arendt

| creator = Fieryninja

| nom cmt = Holocaust survivor who was active as a public speaker in not forgetting, died at age 103. The article looks good and I am surprised that nobody brought it here yet.

| sign = --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:51, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

}}

• Support - I see no issues. Sourcing is ok.--BabbaQ (talk) 07:47, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support - Well-written and sourced. Jusdafax (talk) 09:10, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support Interesting person. B class article with no issues. Grimes2 14:42, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 23:21, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

{{ITN candidate

| article = Peter Morwood

| recent deaths = yes

| sources = https://locusmag.com/2025/05/peter-morwood-1956-2025/

| updated = yes

| nominator = Tacticnerd

| nom cmt = Prolific fantasy novelist and screenwriter.

| sign = Tacticnerd (talk) 19:43, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

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{{ITN candidate

| article = Douglas Gibson (politician)

| recent deaths = yes

| sources = https://www.enca.com/news-top-stories/da-veteran-douglas-gibson-dies-aged-82

| updated = yes

| nominator = Lefcentreright

| nom cmt = South African lawyer, politician and diplomat. Died today.

| sign =  Lefcentreright  Discuss  16:40, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

}}

{{ITN candidate

| article = David Souter

| recent deaths = yes

| sources = [https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/09/us/david-souter-dead.html NYT]

| updated = yes

| nominator = P1

| updaters =

| nom cmt = US Supreme Court Justice

| sign = P1^{(she/her, talk/contribs)} 13:21, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

}}

• Support No CNs or maintenance tags; has been reported by NPR and the NYT. _pbp 16:00, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support Article is in good shape, no CNs and definitely more than adequate length. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 01:09, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support, hopefully will be added soon. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:12, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support per above supports, ready to post. Jusdafax (talk) 01:35, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support per above. RIP. Davey2116 (talk) 03:59, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support - Sourcing looks good. Good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 07:58, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 23:18, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

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{{ITN candidate

| article = Chet Lemon

| recent deaths = yes

| sources = [https://www.mlb.com/news/chet-lemon-dies MLB.com]

| updated = yes

| nominator = 240F:7A:6253:1:9089:B7AD:40C0:453D

| updaters = Cbl62

| nom cmt = American baseball player and 1984 World Series champion.

| sign = 240F:7A:6253:1:9089:B7AD:40C0:453D (talk) 05:35, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

}}

• Support. One of the all-time greats. Aritcle in good condition. Cbl62 (talk) 11:40, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support - Well-written and referenced, no tags, ready to post. Jusdafax (talk) 01:38, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support - looks good to go.--BabbaQ (talk) 08:00, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Multiple outstanding sourcing tags.—Bagumba (talk) 00:17, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

{{atop|Posted, wording has stabilised. Stephen 02:46, 11 May 2025 (UTC)}}

{{ITN candidate

| article = 2025 papal conclave

| blurb = Cardinals elect Pope Leo XIV.

| altblurb = Robert Francis Prevost of the United States is elected as Pope Leo XIV.

| altblurb2 = White smoke emerges from the Sistine Chapel indicating the election of a new pope of the Catholic Church.

| altblurb3 = Robert Francis Prevost of the United States is elected as Pope Leo XIV, becoming the first North American pope of the Catholic Church.

| altblurb4 = Pope Leo XIV is elected as the pope in the 2025 papal conclave

| recent deaths = no

| ongoing = no

| ITNR = yes

| sources = [https://www.nbcnews.com/world/the-vatican/live-blog/conclave-2025-live-updates-rcna205525 NBC]

| image = Future Pope Leo XIV in 2012 headshot.jpg

| caption = Leo XIV

| updated =

| nominator = EF5

| creator = Davey2116

| updaters =

| nom cmt = Pope has been elected! Will probably be announced soon today, so nominating now.

| sign = ^EF⁵ 16:26, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

}}

:Oppose and strong close as premature - re-open when the new pope is announced. Departure– (talk) 16:31, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

::“Premature”? The election’s over. ^EF⁵ 16:32, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:::There isn't a clear winner, though. That's my point. Unless the blurb is "Cardinals conclude the papal conclave" or some variant an election with obvious unknown results shouldn't be nominated. Departure– (talk) 16:34, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Give it an hour. ^EF⁵ 16:36, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::The election of a pope is newsworthy of itself; can always update the blurb when the name is announced. ✨  4 🧚‍♂am KING  16:38, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::The election isn't newsworthy. The result is. HiLo48 (talk) 00:10, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

:::We need to know who and the quality of the article by then. This is ITNR and dependent on article quality. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:36, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Yes, which is within the next hour. I'm invoking WP:IAR by nominating this now, as there is a 100% chance it'll be posted. — ^EF⁵ 16:38, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

::Departure–, pope has been announced. Was betting on "John", but I guess he took "Leo". — ^EF⁵ 17:19, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Support once we know who was elected and the name taken. I would have the blurb mention both the papal name and the personal name of the one elected. Gust Justice (talk) 16:32, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Wait until the new Pope is formally presented at St. Peter's and given his name. — That Coptic Guy^{ping me!} (talk) (contribs) 16:33, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Keep open It's probably being announced within the hour. Sincerely, Dilettante 16:34, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

::Pope Leoe XIV has been announced but wait until article is updated. Sincerely, Dilettante 17:17, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Wait Simply saying they have elected a pope isn't a worthy article to post, wait until they announce who the new pope is Egg470 (talk) 16:35, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

• Wait and post when announced. This is ITNR (change in most relevant head of state/government) and the quality is fine. With white smoke up we should know shortly and we can add the details. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 16:39, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Support within an hour, the new pope will be announced. So, please keep the blurb nomination open in order to update the blurb once the name is announced. I also agree that this is ITNR so we should update the blurb according to how ITNR guideline does. 103.111.102.118 (talk) 16:40, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

• Wait Everyone is really gunning to get this on the front page. The pope hasn't been announced, but he will be within the hour. No reason to rush things, obviously whether to post it won't be controversial. Support alt 3 There we go. Estreyeria (talk) 16:50, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
• Comment Why the rush to nominate? I think everyone recognizes that we aren't going to post this until we have the actual name of the new pope. Mlb96 (talk) 16:52, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
• Well, he's going to be announced in the next hour, no? Per above, I invoked WP:IAR given this will 100% be posted regardless today. — ^EF⁵ 16:55, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
• {{small|Bet it wasn't Snoop Dog after all.... Martinevans123 (talk) 16:59, 8 May 2025 (UTC)}}
• :Snoop on the… chair of popeiness? Doesn't sound as good as [https://www.snoopermarket.com/products/limited-edition-30-year-doggystyle-anniversary-snoop-on-the-stoop?srsltid=AfmBOopCIasaBMirYkHvKXVIGT8M9FYxeTWhjK9mHiey3B0WqJbHWyoS Snoop on a Stoop], but I'l take it. ^EF⁵ 17:02, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
• Wait, like seriously. The entirety of ITN really wants to get this on the front page lmao, but please wait atleast until we have an official name. TwistedAxe [contact] 17:01, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
• Wait and close this pointlessly premature nomination. We are an encyclopaedia, not a breaking news service. Even once the winner has been announced, their biographical article needs to be updated and brought up to a good enough standard to be bold-linked from the main page. That work hasn't even begun yet. Nominations should not be made until after the event has happened and the article has been updated. Modest Genius ^talk 17:05, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
• :usually with an election the article on the election is the bold-linked one, which in this case would be the article on the conclave. ✨  4 🧚‍♂am KING  17:13, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
• Wait: Hold your horses. We don't even have a name to report on. When his identity is known, let's totally put it up. BOTTO _(T•C) 17:16, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
• UPDATE: The new Pope is elected. The new pope is Robert Francis Prevost (Leo XIV). 103.111.102.118 (talk) 17:18, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Support Alt 2 we know who pope is now! Leo XIV! Scuba 17:17, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

• Wait a tiny bit. We need more information about Leo in the article and media commentary before posting. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:19, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
• : Make that more than a tiny bit. Friends, the purpose of ITN is to showcase quality articles, not get things out fast, and there's very little analysis and context for this result right now. In fact, when I made the above comment, there was a glaring typo in the conclave article and the new pope's article was not updated at all. Please check the quality of the articles. And until this edit is published, the best blurbs weren't even bolded. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:29, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
• :Oppose: Currently, the new pope's article is in no state of posting. There's formatting issues, duplicating sections, and accidental mass reversions from edit conflicts, and I've edit conflicted four times in a row now trying to fix that and failing to. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:44, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Support He is Pope now. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:18, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

• Support: Now pope. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 17:18, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
• Weak oppose - two CN tags. Departure– (talk) 17:20, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
• :Make that a strong oppose - Pope Leo XIV lacks a lot of comprehensiveness for this to be on the main page. Departure– (talk) 17:22, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
• ::Maintaining my oppose for now - I still don't think the article on Leo XIV is up to quality or otherwise properly updated. Departure– (talk) 17:43, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
• :{{done}} Fixed. — ^EF⁵ 17:22, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support Pope Leo XIV is the new Pope and that is newsworthy. --Plumber (talk) 17:23, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:support I mean, it's the pope. Not much to say here. Gaismagorm (talk) 17:25, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Support AltBlurb 1 as he is now officially the new pope. 2605:8D80:4A1:F2A1:B033:98FF:B621:1DA0 (talk) 17:27, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Support Altblurb 1 Election of a new pope is globally important, so it should be a no-brainer. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 17:28, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

::This is ITNR. The only thing that matters is the quality of the articles. It's been predetermined this us important. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:30, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:EXTREMELY STRONG SUPPORT This should be put up immediately. 69.245.20.79 (talk) 17:33, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

::Items need not be put up immediately and quality is a key point of ITN entries appearing on the main page. Departure– (talk) 17:47, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

• Support, the article looks decent enough now. The blurb should mention Peru where he was active for long periods, instead of a narrow North American image. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:36, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support - article doesn't look too bad for a start, and high-profile election with significant coverage. Master of Time (talk) 17:37, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

• Comment - this was the wording of the blurb for the last pope in case it's useful:
• Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Argentina (pictured) is elected as Pope Francis, becoming the first Latin American pope of the Catholic Church. - Fuzheado | Talk 17:36, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
• :Looks like alt3 is the equivalent, I would support it. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:37, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
• ::Yeah I based altblurb3 on this. Gust Justice (talk) 18:04, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support. And choosing Alternate Blurb III. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 17:40, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:*Support AltBlurb 3 This is closest to the last blurb when Pope Francis was elected NewishIdeas (talk) 17:40, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

::Support but his name is spelled wrong in the current blurb. Robert Francis Prevost, not Provost Big Paulie (talk) 17:50, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

• Super strong support alt3 ArionStar (talk) 17:42, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support but I’d agree Peru deserves a mention since he is a dual national. Jusdafax (talk) 17:42, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
• Posted. Sandstein 17:46, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Support Despite the page for Pope Leo XIV updating quickly, it's good enough to support. This is a major historical event. Bremps... 17:45, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

• Support Vicar of Christ{{nbsp}}... or Lord of the World? Fortuna, Imperatrix Mundi 17:47, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
• Support Prefer one or four. GMG^talk 17:48, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Support per everyone 2606:9400:98A0:92A0:41D7:E0E4:C05E:81AD (talk) 17:50, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:I've raised a few concerns about this current blurb at WP:ERRORS - discussion on these errors and other, related issues continues there. Departure– (talk) 17:52, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Support adding an image. History6042😊 (Contact me) 19:50, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:Comment per discussion as WP:ERRORS, I switched this to "United States-born" per the overwhelming coverage in the news focusing on his birth country and not his birth continent. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 19:57, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:*"United States-born" is so awkward. Why not just "American-born"? We are an English encyclopedia after all. Or if we're going to be real sticklers about it (despite the fact that in English, "American" means "From the US"), then "US-born" works too. There's really little doubt anyone reading the front page is not going to know what the US is. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 20:59, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:*:I already added this at WP:ERRORS, but I agree and much prefer "born in the United States" as opposed to "United States-born". Flip^andFlopped ㋡ 21:48, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:::I strongly agree. There is just no need for a cumbersome compound adjective there. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:00, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

:::: Already changed by King of Hearts, 21:30, 8 May 2025. Natg 19 (talk) 22:08, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

• Post-posting Support Massive international news, however are we going to consider his ties to Peru in the blurb? He was Archbishop in Peru afterall. Normalman101 (talk) (late signature)
• :End with "of American and Peruvian nationality" Bremps... 23:36, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
• Comment. Why "United States-born"? Since it's bigger, the focus should be on North America. I think "overwhelming coverage in the news focusing on his birth country" is unconvincing - most of the "overwhelming coverage" in question is American. We are an encyclopedia, not an echo of editorials. —Brigade Piron (talk) 22:00, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
• :BBC, Al Jazeera, dawn.com (hard to see but its there!) all have on their front page that Leo is the first US pope. I wouldn't be opposed to also adding Bishop of Chiclayo, Peru or somethign to that effect QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 22:21, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
• :American....and [https://www.bbc.com/ British], [https://www.cbc.ca/news Canadian], [https://www.abc.net.au/news Australian], [https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/new-pope-elected-white-smoke-from-sistine-chapel/article69554490.ece Indian], [https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/560395/live-us-born-cardinal-robert-prevost-named-as-pope-leo-xiv New Zealander], [https://www.irishtimes.com/ Irish], [https://guardian.ng/news/american-prevost-leo-xiv-elected-pope-appears-on-st-peters-basilica-balcony/#google_vignette Nigerian], [https://www.lemonde.fr/?preferred_lang=fr French], [https://www.reforma.com/ Mexican], etc. DecafPotato (talk) 22:25, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
• ::I agree that 'North America' should be preferred in the blurb. If you take a deeper look at the sources, even though 'American' is mentioned in the titles, first pope born in/from 'North America' is in the text (e.g. [The Washington Post]). There are also reliable sources that use 'North American' (e.g. [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/05/08/robert-prevost-new-pope-conclave/ The Telepgraph]). If we want to underline that he's the first in a geographical context, we should always refer to a wider geographical area, which in this case is North America. Another option is to simply remove that fact from the blurb as redundant. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:48, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
• :::> we should always refer to a wider geographical area
• :::Disagree, why should we? We should do what the reliable sources say. Most reliable sources linked say US or American, not North American. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 11:59, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
• ::::Being the first from a continent is more significant than being the first from a country on that continent.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:28, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

• Comment: This image may work better for the occasion: :File:Pope Leo XIV on the loggia (cropped).jpg ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 12:06, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
• :Not 100% sure if a twitter thread is acceptable for use to presume a free license. Masem (t) 12:09, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
• ::The owner of the media outlet explicit gives CC-BY-SA 4.0 permission in the thread. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 12:10, 9 May 2025 (UTC) thumb
• :::Firstly, I'm not sure he does release it, he says "that's with jdflynn", perhaps that's the true copyright holder of the work? Secondly, I think for the licence to be valid the copyright holder should release it somewhere formally with that licence (e.g. Commons or Flickr), or file a Commons:OTRS ticket to the effect that he's releasing it. I wouldn't put on the main page until that's done.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:17, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
• :::{{ping|Amakuru}} The parent image, :File:Pope Leo XIV on the loggia.jpg, has been verified at VRT. I would now suggest :File:Pope Leo XIV 2.jpg as it's a bit more cropped in. File:Pope Leo XIV 2.jpg ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 17:52, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
• :::: Whatever the license, the current image shows much more face. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:13, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
• Comment. Can we bolden the pope's name at this point. The article is much improved. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 17:56, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
• :No. We typically don’t bolden links to articles of elected heads of state.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:09, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
• ::{{tqb|Friedrich Merz is elected Chancellor of Germany and sworn in alongside his coalition government.}}Indeed, Merz is not head of state but head of government, but the Pope is also head of government as well. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:34, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
• :: I'd also prefer the bold link to the person rather than the election process, parallel to Merz, - there are many more Catholics on earth than Germans ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:13, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
• :::Seconded. I think, especially with the Pope, the man is more noteworthy than the process. DarkSide830 (talk) 21:19, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
• ::For what it's worth, the blurb for Pope Francis at the time had elected as non-bold and Pope Francis as bold. - Fuzheado | Talk 23:04, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Should use this photo TheLoyalOrder (talk) 22:05, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
• ::File:Cardinal Robert F. Prevost at the Consistory on 30 September 2023 (cropped portrait).jpg TheLoyalOrder (talk) 22:06, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
• ::Comment His article has a new photo now that is high quality and free. AsaQuathern (talk) 05:17, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
• :::never mind AsaQuathern (talk) 05:26, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
• :wait this is actually a good photo. AsaQuathern (talk) 05:27, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
• :::File:Cardinal Robert F. Prevost at the Consistory on 30 September 2023 (cropped portrait).jpg

:comment why the nationality? We din't list the last as the first from the Americas?Sportsnut24 (talk) 05:53, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

::Sounds like we did? {{tq|Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Argentina (pictured) is elected as Pope Francis, becoming the first Latin American pope of the Catholic Church}} Natg 19 (talk) 06:12, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

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