Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 29#1609947311

• {{no redirect|1 = Wikipedia:HEADLINE }} → :Wikipedia:A headline is not a reliable source  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:HEADLINE&action=history history] · [https://iw.toolforge.org/pageviews?start=2020-11-29&end=2020-12-28&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Wikipedia%3AHEADLINE stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:HEADLINE|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wikipedia:HEADLINE closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:HEADLINE|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wikipedia:HEADLINE closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:HEADLINE|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wikipedia:HEADLINE closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Wikipedia:HEADLINES }} → :Wikipedia:A headline is not a reliable source  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:HEADLINE&action=history history] · [https://iw.toolforge.org/pageviews?start=2020-11-29&end=2020-12-28&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Wikipedia%3AHEADLINES stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:HEADLINE|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wikipedia:HEADLINES closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:HEADLINES|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wikipedia:HEADLINES closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:HEADLINES|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wikipedia:HEADLINES closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Wikipedia:Headline }} → :Wikipedia:A headline is not a reliable source  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Headline&action=history history] · [https://iw.toolforge.org/pageviews?start=2020-11-29&end=2020-12-28&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Wikipedia%Headline stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:Headline|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wikipedia:Headline closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:Headline|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wikipedia:Headline closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:Headline|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wikipedia:Headline closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

In September 2020 an RfC was closed finding that headlines are unreliable. That RfC turns this essay into policy, effectively. The links WP:HEADLINE and WP:HEADLINES go to the essay, when really they should both go to Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Headlines. I did not know this was incorporated into the guideline till I did some digging. If the targets were proper, it would be a lot easier. Naturally I expect WP:HEADLINE to go to the policy, if it exists. It going to the essay makes me think this isn't actually a PAG. I'm about to add a hatnote to that effect, but I think this should be retargeted to the PAG as well, in line with what {{u|Newslinger}} said in Special:Diff/972082506. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 19:51, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

:Retarget to WP:RSHEADLINES. Seems like an obvious fix. Schazjmd (talk) 20:04, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

:Retarget Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 19:06, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Template:Wsproj }} → :Template:WikiProject Writing systems  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Wsproj&action=history history] · [https://iw.toolforge.org/pageviews?start=2020-11-29&end=2020-12-28&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Template%3AWsproj stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Template:Wsproj|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Wsproj closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:Wsproj|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Wsproj closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Template:Wsproj|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Wsproj closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Unused in mainspace talk space. Does not follow any of the banner standards (and their redirects). Magioladitis (talk) 19:23, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

• Keep. Of course it's unused in mainspace, it redirects to a talk page template. It has incomming links, is not in the way of anything else and is clearly related to the target. If you dislike it then feel free to get consensus to get a bot to replace it, but I see no valid reason to delete. Thryduulf (talk) 22:05, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

::I meant talk space. It was a typo. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:21, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

:::The rest of my comment still applies, deletion is neither necessary nor beneficial. Thryduulf (talk) 01:44, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Glovers Harbour, Newfoundland and Labrador }} → :Lewisporte  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Glovers_Harbour,_Newfoundland_and_Labrador&action=history history] · [https://iw.toolforge.org/pageviews?start=2020-11-22&end=2020-12-21&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Glovers_Harbour%2C_Newfoundland_and_Labrador stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Glovers Harbour, Newfoundland and Labrador|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Glovers Harbour, Newfoundland and Labrador closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Glovers Harbour, Newfoundland and Labrador|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Glovers Harbour, Newfoundland and Labrador closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Glovers Harbour, Newfoundland and Labrador|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Glovers Harbour, Newfoundland and Labrador closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

• {{no redirect|1 = Glover's Harbour }} → :Lewisporte  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Glover's_Harbour&action=history history] · [https://iw.toolforge.org/pageviews?start=2020-11-22&end=2020-12-21&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Glover's_Harbour stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Glovers Harbour, Newfoundland and Labrador|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Glovers Harbour, Newfoundland and Labrador closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Glovers Harbour, Newfoundland and Labrador|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Glovers Harbour, Newfoundland and Labrador closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Glovers Harbour, Newfoundland and Labrador|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Glovers Harbour, Newfoundland and Labrador closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Delete. Not mentioned in the target article. This is part of a major cleanup where bodies of water have incorrectly been written up as settlements. Geschichte (talk) 09:19, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

• Comment I added Glover's Harbour (I think I did it right, someone please fix if not). Glover's Harbour is mentioned at Exploits (electoral district), Newfoundland_and_Labrador_Route_350 (where a variant is red linked), List of designated places in Newfoundland and Labrador, and List of communities in Newfoundland and Labrador. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:00, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

::Glover's Harbour apparently used to be called Thimble Tickle according to List of giant squid specimens and sightings where Glover's Harbour is also mentioned. Perhaps these should be retargeted? Mdewman6 (talk) 00:08, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

• Delete Glovers Harbour, Newfoundland and Labrador, I cannot find a community by that name. I must have thought it became part of Lewisporte when I changed it to a redirect several years ago. However, there is a significant body of water called "Glovers Harbour" that's not near Lewisporte (see {{coord|49.46247|N|55.47966|W|display=inline}}) that may be sufficiently notable for an article. PKT(alk) 14:33, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
• :The place mentioned in List of communities in Newfoundland and Labrador and other articles is the area around the body of water. Peter James (talk) 15:07, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Well here is the welcome sign that appears in the giant squid article: List_of_giant_squid_specimens_and_sightings#/media/File:Glover's_Harbour_welcome_sign.jpg. So certainly suggests this a place, and likely at least deserving of a redirect if not an article. But is it a place on land, or just an actual harbor? And where best to target a redirect? Lewisporte doesn't sound like it's correct. There is also this Thimble Tickle article that needs to be considered how it fits in here, and could be a possible redirect target, or moved to Glover's Harbour. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:02, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

• Delete both. With further investigation, I see evidence for both a body of water ("Glovers Harbour" on Google maps) and for a [https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2016/dp-pd/prof/details/page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=DPL&Code1=100358&Geo2=PR&Code2=10&SearchText=Glovers%20Harbour&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=01&B1=All&GeoLevel=PR&GeoCode=100358&TABID=1&type=0 designated place], and I believe Thimble Tickle Bay is an old name for Glovers Harbour. So perhaps the most rigorous thing to do would be to restore the 2009 stub at Glovers Harbour, Newfoundland and Labrador and either send to AfD or improve, then retarget Glover's Harbour there or to Thimble Tickle Bay (which also has sourcing issues and should be considered at AfD or improved). Right now, red links are best here until properly sourced stubs can be developed, but perhaps that is a decision for a separate discussion at AfD. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:50, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
• Either delete or revert to the pre-2010 stub. There is clearly a place of this name, per the Statistics Canada census profile, but existing as a designated place is not necessarily the same thing as being an actual incorporated municipality — which means that under WP:GEOLAND, there may not be sufficient grounds for a standalone article about it if we can't find any notability-supporting sources. But that's a question that falls under AFD's purview rather than RFD's — here, we can really only consider the value of the redirect itself, and the redirect is definitely a misfire since Lewisporte isn't where Glover's Harbour actually is. Bearcat (talk) 17:29, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Resistance (Terminator) }} → :Terminator (franchise)  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Resistance_(Terminator)&action=history history] · [https://iw.toolforge.org/pageviews?start=2020-11-21&end=2020-12-20&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Resistance_%28Terminator%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Resistance (Terminator)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Resistance (Terminator) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Resistance (Terminator)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Resistance (Terminator) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Resistance (Terminator)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Resistance (Terminator) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

The target mentions this a few times, but this isn't a likely search term, compared to the more commonly named disambiguation page. Was redirected long ago, after editorial consensus found nothing worth preserving. Jontesta (talk) 18:04, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

• Keep. Harmless case of an {{tl|R with history}}. Term is also mentioned several times at target article, so I personally don't see how deletion would be beneficial. CycloneYoris ^talk! 02:32, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

• Keep per CycloneYoris. Thryduulf (talk) 01:47, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Average attendance }} → :List of attendance figures at domestic professional sports leagues  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Average_attendance&action=history history] · [https://iw.toolforge.org/pageviews?start=2020-11-29&end=2020-12-28&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Average_attendance stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Average attendance|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Average attendance closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Average attendance|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Average attendance closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Average attendance|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Average attendance closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Attendance does not necessarily refer to sports event attendance, delete unless a justification can be provided. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:04, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

• Delete as ambiguous. Could also refer to schools, parliamentary proceedings, prenatal clinics, you-name-it. Narky Blert (talk) 06:51, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per NB and nom. MB 22:21, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Template:Hebrew }} → :Template:Script/Hebrew  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Hebrew&action=history history] · [https://iw.toolforge.org/pageviews?start=2020-11-22&end=2020-12-21&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Template%3AHebrew stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Template:Hebrew|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Hebrew closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:Hebrew|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Hebrew closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Template:Hebrew|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Hebrew closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Replace by the target and then delete As stated belowon tomorrow's discussion page regarding Template:Arabic, templates with the name of a language for the most part do not exist. Those that do exist redirect to a template about the language, not to a script template. In addition, the present redirect is misleading, since the target is per its documentation specifically not intended for text in the Hebrew language (only text in other languages expressed in Hebrew script). We could of course redirect to Template:Hebrew language, but I think that simply deleting is the better option. This nomination is part of a cleanup operation, which included so far the deletion of Template:Lang-he-n and improvements to the documentation page of Template:Script/Hebrew. And just in case anybody would ask, since the target is not intended for text in the Hebrew language, why should we replace an incorrectly used template redirect by another incorrect template, the answer is because cleaning up the many incorrect transclusions of Template:Script/Hebrew and replacing them by Template:Lang-he is the next and final step of this cleanup operation. Debresser (talk) 02:42, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

: I don't understand the mechanics of this redirect, but it broke existing pages, e.g. Unicode and HTML for the Hebrew alphabet. Perhaps don't redirect until a fix is ready? Aryeh Sanders 15:15, 22 December 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.125.54.87 (talk)

:: The problem at Unicode and HTML for the Hebrew alphabet came from another template, Template:Unicode chart Hebrew. It was solved by replacing Template:Hebrew by Template:Script/Hebrew.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Unicode_chart_Hebrew&diff=995738807&oldid=995736409] Apparently the Rfd notice which wrapped itself around Template:Hebrew caused this problem.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Hebrew&diff=995634991&oldid=827250798] Debresser (talk) 16:32, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

::: It also seems to be causing problems in Hebrew alphabet; every template starting in the middle of Hebrew alphabet#Dagesh appears as a link. It looks like maybe some sort of limit is being hit; the problem doesn't appear when editing and previewing a section, and replacing a few Template:Hebrew with Template:Script/Hebrew before that point and clicking "Preview" will cause more templates to appear correctly; however, the notice on Template:Hebrew says not to replace the redirected links. ~User:chridd tʃɹɪ|Special:Contributions]] 00:23, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

:::: As soon as the nomination is approved and implemented, this issue will disappear. I replaced all of them on that specific page[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hebrew_alphabet&diff=996198065&oldid=995141155] and the issue disappeared. Debresser (talk) 02:17, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

The template, Lang-he-n was supposed to clearly display Hebrew texts that use the diacritics. Not sure if it redirected to script/Hebrew, but I should note that the n in the name of the template abbreviated nikud which are normally hard to see without special fonts. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 10:11, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

: Although this does not relate directly to this nomination, I am happy to tell you that this very same issue you raise, and with which I agree, is currently being discussed at Template_talk:Lang-he#Unreadable_nikud. Debresser (talk) 22:41, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

• This RFD broke the wiki or rather it caused Modern Hebrew phonology to exceed Wikipedia's post-expansion include size limit ("WP:PEIS"), causing each call to {{tl|Hebrew}} to go from under 200 bytes charged against the limit to over 20,000 bytes charged against the limit. I fixed the issue for this page by manually replacing each of the few-dozen uses with a call to {{tl|Script/Hebrew}}.

:The root cause is that the "RfD" template isn't sensitive to the fact that transcluding it will cause a huge charge against WP:PEIS. This is only a problem for templates that are used multiple times on a page or which are used on pages that are within 24,000 bytes or so of hitting the 2,000,000-byte-or-so limit already, which is probably why it's not been fixed. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 18:32, 3 January 2021 (UTC) Further discussion of root problem is at Wikipedia talk:Redirects for discussion#RFD template on templates causes a 24,000-byte charge against WP:PEIS per invocation ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ARedirects_for_discussion&type=revision&diff=998079746&oldid=994499208 permalink]). davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 🎄 18:41, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

:Comment A few editors have commented on he technical issue related to the Rfd template. Perhaps we simply implement this proposal already? I mean, there is no reason this shouldn't be an improvement, to replace two templates that do more or less the same thing - but for unclear reasons not precisely - by one template, especially since its name is misleading, as I explained above in detail. Debresser (talk) 20:21, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

• I don't see any objections to the proposed deletion, but I do see 3600+ uses of the template. Debresser, if you'd like, I'm willing to close this as delete, but I'm not willing to carry out the deletion while there are still so many transclusions. With such a close, you could put a G6 tag on after the transclusions are dealt with. Sound good? --BDD (talk) 15:52, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

:: {{U|BDD}} The proposal here is "Replace by the target and then delete". If there are automated processes that admins here can use to replace, then that is what I was hoping for. If not, then what you propose is the next best option and I agree with it. Debresser (talk) 20:23, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

:::It's been a while since I've closed anything at TfD, but they have a holding process for this. I'll close and post this at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Holding cell#To convert. --BDD (talk) 20:54, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Archibasilica }} → :Basilica#Ecclesiastical basilicas  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Archibasilica&action=history history] · [https://iw.toolforge.org/pageviews?start=2020-11-22&end=2020-12-21&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Archibasilica stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Archibasilica|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Archibasilica closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Archibasilica|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Archibasilica closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Archibasilica|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Archibasilica closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Term not mentioned in target. (Also, given target section non-existent.) Hildeoc (talk) 00:18, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

• Retarget to Basilicas in the Catholic Church.
• Delete per WP:RFFL — I don't know much about an "archibasilica" but the only "archbasilica" in the world is St. John Lateran, mentioned in this article. Elizium23 (talk) 00:22, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

:{{re|Elizium23}} {{a note}} There is Archbasilica of Saint John Lateran, but the correct term – as given in the lemma – is Archbasilica (not Archibasilica) …--Hildeoc (talk) 00:42, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

::"Correct" term depends on the language - archibasilica is Italian. Elizium23 (talk) 00:44, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

:::Well, this is the English Wikipedia …--Hildeoc (talk) 01:15, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

• Retarget to Basilicas in the Catholic Church. GPinkerton (talk) 02:35, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:RLOTE. Narky Blert (talk) 06:48, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Bangkok Metro }} → :MRT (Bangkok)  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bangkok_Metro&action=history history] · [https://iw.toolforge.org/pageviews?start=2020-11-29&end=2020-12-28&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Bangkok_Metro stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Bangkok Metro|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Bangkok Metro closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Bangkok Metro|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Bangkok Metro closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Bangkok Metro|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Bangkok Metro closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

The article was originally created at Bangkok Metro, and has been an R from move since 2010. The redirect is technically incorrect, though, as "Bangkok Metro" is the name of the operating company Bangkok Metro Public Company Limited, not the rail system. Are readers more likely to expect "Bangkok Metro" to refer (correctly) to the company (which is now known as Bangkok Expressway and Metro), or a (commonly misused) name of the MRT (Bangkok) rail system? To complicate things further, "Bangkok metro" may also be used to refer generally to all the rapid transit systems in the city, content concerning which is currently a jumbled split-up mess between Rail transport in Bangkok and Mass Rapid Transit Master Plan in Bangkok Metropolitan Region. Paul_012 (talk) 12:15, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

• Redirect to Bangkok Metro (disambiguation) to cover this better as there are several plausible targets. MB 18:09, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
• This option also seems fine to me. (Though for procedural reasons it might have been better to create the disambiguation at Bangkok Metro, below the RFD template, since redirecting to a page with (disambiguation) will necessitate a follow-up page move.) --Paul_012 (talk) 20:38, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
• Redirect to Bangkok Metro (disambiguation), then WP:ROBIN swap the two pages per WP:MALPLACED. No WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT target. Narky Blert (talk) 06:31, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Wikipedia:Moderator }} → :Wikipedia:Moderators/Proposal  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Moderator&action=history history] · [https://iw.toolforge.org/pageviews?start=2020-11-29&end=2020-12-28&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Wikipedia%3AModerator stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:Moderator|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wikipedia:Moderator closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:Moderator|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wikipedia:Moderator closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:Moderator|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wikipedia:Moderator closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

• {{no redirect|1 = Help:Moderator }} → :Wikipedia:Moderators/Proposal  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Moderator&action=history history] · [https://iw.toolforge.org/pageviews?start=2020-11-30&end=2020-12-29&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Help%3AModerator stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Help:Moderator|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Help:Moderator closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Help:Moderator|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Help:Moderator closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Help:Moderator|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Help:Moderator closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]

I have rarely, if ever, seen this term be used on Wikipedia. I know on other sites "moderator" can be synonymous with "administrator", but anyone can moderate content without admin rights. At the best this page should be retargeted to Wikipedia:Administrators, but at the worst this redirect should be deleted. Aasim (talk) 11:45, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

• Retarget to Wikipedia:Moderators (where I am about to draft a new dab page). It is very plausible that someone (especially a new user) will be searching for information about moderators on Wikipedia so we should be as helpful as we can. Help:Moderator (which I've added to this discussion) should be retargetted to the same place. Thryduulf (talk) 14:49, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Draft:Flag of Jubaland }} → :Flag of Jubaland  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Flag_of_Jubaland&action=history history] · [https://iw.toolforge.org/pageviews?start=2020-11-29&end=2020-12-28&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Draft%3AFlag_of_Jubaland stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Draft:Flag of Jubaland|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Draft:Flag of Jubaland closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Draft:Flag of Jubaland|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Draft:Flag of Jubaland closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Draft:Flag of Jubaland|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Draft:Flag of Jubaland closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Its a cross-namespace redirect Heesxiisoleh (talk) 10:55, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Lucy Hannah }} → :List of American supercentenarians#Lucy Hannah  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lucy_Hannah&action=history history] · [https://iw.toolforge.org/pageviews?start=2020-11-29&end=2020-12-28&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Lucy_Hannah stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Lucy Hannah|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Lucy Hannah closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Lucy Hannah|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Lucy Hannah closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Lucy Hannah|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Lucy Hannah closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Lucy Hannah's age was recently invalidated by expert genealogical research,[https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-49970-9_22] and accordingly her name was removed from the redirect target: List of American supercentenarians.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_American_supercentenarians&diff=993452419&oldid=993317455&diffmode=source] The original article had already been deleted in November 2018 for lack of notability. I believe we should now delete this redirect entry as well. — JFG ^talk 08:53, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

• Delete Not mentioned in the target article or any other longevity list article anymore. Had no media coverage whatsoever while alive, there are no known photos of her, and almost nothing is known about this woman, except that she wasn't 117, so a complete fail of any notability guideline. Newshunter12 (talk) 03:31, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
• Redirect to Longevity claims#Problems in documenting and add a brief mention there, something like "Lucy Hannah, previously considered the third-oldest person ever, was in 2020 shown to have not lived to 117". Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 14:38, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
• :Excellent idea, you've got my full support. — JFG ^talk 12:31, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Duolingo tree }} → :Duolingo  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Duolingo_tree&action=history history] · [https://iw.toolforge.org/pageviews?start=2020-11-20&end=2020-12-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Duolingo_tree stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Duolingo tree|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Duolingo tree closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Duolingo tree|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Duolingo tree closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Duolingo tree|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Duolingo tree closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

No mention of trees at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 22:13, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

• Comment: It's probably referring to the level trees. No strong opinion at the moment, but if this thing is to be kept, a mention should be added. Regards, SONIC678 17:44, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Bedoon of Kuwait (stateless people) }} → :Bidoon (social class)  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bedoon_of_Kuwait_(stateless_people)&action=history history] · [https://iw.toolforge.org/pageviews?start=2020-11-29&end=2020-12-28&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Bedoon_of_Kuwait_%28stateless_people%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Bedoon of Kuwait (stateless people)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Bedoon of Kuwait (stateless people) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Bedoon of Kuwait (stateless people)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Bedoon of Kuwait (stateless people) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Bedoon of Kuwait (stateless people)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Bedoon of Kuwait (stateless people) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

This is left over from an undiscussed move that I reverted. The article, at Bidoon (social class), discusses a group of people spread over several countries, not restricted to Kuwait. I don't think anybody's going to search for what is essentially a doubly disambiguated title like this. Largoplazo (talk) 01:50, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = The Adventures of Winnie the Pooh }} → :The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Adventures_of_Winnie_the_Pooh&action=history history] · [https://iw.toolforge.org/pageviews?start=2020-11-21&end=2020-12-20&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=The_Adventures_of_Winnie_the_Pooh stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:The Adventures of Winnie the Pooh|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#The Adventures of Winnie the Pooh closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:The Adventures of Winnie the Pooh|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#The Adventures of Winnie the Pooh closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:The Adventures of Winnie the Pooh|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#The Adventures of Winnie the Pooh closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

This could refer to either the 1977 compilation film The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh or the similarly titled 1988 TV series The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh. As such, this redirect should either be turned into a disambiguation page or deleted entirely. IceWalrus236 (talk) 21:28, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

• Weak keep, the status quo ante of using a hatnote to direct readers to the appropriate article seems sufficient. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 22:38, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
• Retarget. Based on google searches for "The Adventures of Winnie the Pooh" -wikipedia the primary topic is very clearly The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh, so that is my first preference for a target but I'm ok with retargeting to Winnie the Pooh (disambiguation) (which lists both the Many Adventures and the New Adventures) as second preference. Thryduulf (talk) 22:53, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
• Disambiguate' retarget to Winnie the Pooh (disambiguation) where they are listed -- 67.70.26.89 (talk) 04:17, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
• Retarget to Winnie-the-Pooh (disambiguation) and tag as {{tl|R from incomplete disambiguation}}. (Note that {{-r|Winnie the Pooh (disambiguation)}} is a redirect.) Narky Blert (talk) 10:36, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

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