Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 March 16#1585108622

• {{no redirect|1 = Polujo }} → :Poland  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Polujo&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Polujo stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Polujo|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Polujo closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Polujo|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Polujo closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Polujo|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Polujo closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Esperanto?! 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:28, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:RFFL. Hog Farm (talk) 04:33, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
• Keep – Esperanto is created on Poland. --Soumyabrata (talk • subpages) 04:44, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete. Falls squarely within WP:Redirects in languages other than English. TJRC (talk) 19:12, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:Redirects in languages other than English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shhhnotsoloud (talk • contribs)
• Delete WP:RFOREIGN. Cabayi (talk) 19:33, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

::Look at my comment before saying this. --Soumyabrata (talk • subpages) 05:52, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:RLOTE. Narky Blert (talk) 05:28, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:FORRED. Steel1943 (talk) 16:31, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

• {{no redirect|1 = Википедию }} → :Russian Wikipedia  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8E&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8E stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Википедию|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Википедию closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Википедию|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Википедию closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Википедию|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Википедию closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Unlikely misspelling of the nominative; it is the dative accusative form but I don't think declined foreign language forms are accepted as redirects. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:13, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

• Delete. Falls squarely within WP:Redirects in languages other than English. TJRC (talk) 19:12, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete WP:RFOREIGN. Cabayi (talk) 19:33, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per nominator. Also worth noting that redirects from non-nominative forms are subject to speedy deletion on Russian Wikipedia; see :ru:template:db-redirflect. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 23:19, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

• {{no redirect|1 = Ikipediaway }} → :Pig Latin  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ikipediaway&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Ikipediaway stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Ikipediaway|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Ikipediaway closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Ikipediaway|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Ikipediaway closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Ikipediaway|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Ikipediaway closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Arbitrary word in Pig Latin. WP:PANDORA. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:11, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

• Keep due to it being used at the article. I have no clue how the existence of this redirect would encourage the creation of plenty more just like it, nor why that would be a bad thing if so. -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:06, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
• Well, maybe because redirects from edirectsray, orfay, iscussionday, oglay, archmay, etc. to Pig Latin would serve no or extremely little purpose? 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 14:16, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
• But we aren't discussing those hypothetical redirects. We're discussing the only possibly-questionable one that has been created. -- Tavix ^(talk) 15:40, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete. This is just a random word that's used to illustrate a point, no connection between the redirect and the target's topic. – Uanfala (talk) 23:51, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete. There is no reason to keep this as an arbitrary example of Pig Latin – no evidence of significant or meaningful usage. Additionally, if we call Pig Latin a "language" (though strictly speaking it is not a real language), we could arguably invoke WP:FORRED as well. ComplexRational (talk) 01:07, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
• If it was a language, it would redirect to Wikipedia instead. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 14:16, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete Potentially confusing, a reader searching for this term might also be looking for Wikipedia. Not a very active user (talk) 05:30, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete. Although Pig Latin is not a true language, the same principles as set out in WP:Redirects in languages other than English apply here. TJRC (talk) 19:12, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete Nonsensical. Cabayi (talk) 19:34, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per above "delete"-!votes. –Austronesier (talk) 16:22, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

• {{no redirect|1 = Alle Rechte vorbehalten }} → :All rights reserved  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alle_Rechte_vorbehalten&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Alle_Rechte_vorbehalten stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Alle Rechte vorbehalten|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Alle Rechte vorbehalten closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Alle Rechte vorbehalten|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Alle Rechte vorbehalten closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Alle Rechte vorbehalten|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Alle Rechte vorbehalten closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

WP:RLOE: What does the topic have to do with German? 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 21:25, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

• Keep. This is a fixed legal phrase and the exact equivalent of the target article's title "All rights reserved" in another language (German). The exact wording is relevant, and may not necessarily be achieved by machine translation. The redirect exists to help readers running into this phrase in publications, usage licenses, or printed on products of German origin so they will be directed to the relevant information in English. While this is the English Wikipedia, we implement such foreign language redirects either if there is a direct connection of the target with the language, or occasionally when it could be particularly important for users to bridge language barriers without hassle, f.e. in the case of the names of illnesses and emergency conditions, some institutions, some legal terms, some phone numbers, some food, some very important works etc. Also, when an article is about a particular idiomatic phrase in English, it is often interesting for readers to learn about the equivalent phrases in other languages. Such redirects should be tagged with {{tl|R from foreign language}} like this one.

: --Matthiaspaul (talk) 23:01, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

:: No !vote from me yet, but I'm skeptical that "Alle Rechte vorbehalten" is used for any legal effect. It's more likely simply a German translation of "All rights reserved." Bear in mind that the reservation-of-rights legend comes from the 1910 Pan-American Copyright Convention (Buenos Aires Convention), a multilateral treaty among nations of North and South America, none of which are German-speaking countries. In fact, the only languages spoken among the signatories are English (US), Portuguese (Brazil) and Spanish (all other countries). The suggestion that "Alle Rechte vorbehalten" is a fixed legal phrase is pretty dubious. TJRC (talk) 23:24, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

::: You are right that the phrase was derived from the English phrase and can be tracked down to the 1910 Buenos Aires Convention. By fixed legal phrase I didn't mean to imply that it is legally binding (it isn't anymore), but this doesn't change the fact that this particular phrasing was used for decades (and is still often seen today).

::: --Matthiaspaul (talk) 00:36, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

::::No, I think you've missed my point. The phrase "all rights reserved" was never operative apart from by parties to the Buenos Aires Convention. It is not that the phrase is "can be tracked down to" the convention. It is that that was the treaty that made it operative at all. And no German-speaking country was ever party to that convention. There is no evidence at all that the German phrase has been used to preserve rights under the Convention, and the use of the phase to preserve rights under the Convention is the subject of the article.

::::Even if it is shown that some publications use the German phrase for some other purpose, that is unrelated to the subject of the article. More specifically, it looks like your assertions that "this is a fixed legal phrase" and "the exact wording is relevant" are not correct. Based on this, now taking the position Delete, below. TJRC (talk) 19:12, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:NOTGOOGLETRANSLATE aka WP:RFFL. This is one of those common words of phrases, and as TJRC pointed out, has no historical connection with the creation of the phrase. Hog Farm (talk) 04:35, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete. As I discuss above, the arguments put forward by the redirect's creator for its creation and retention are not valid; the wording has no significance justifying redirect to the article in question, and this falls squarely within Wikipedia:Redirects in languages other than English: "redirects in languages other than English that point to topics that are not especially associated with that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be kept." TJRC (talk) 19:02, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

• {{no redirect|1 = Arithmetique }} → :Arithmetic  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arithmetique&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-07&end=2020-03-07&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Arithmetique stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Arithmetique|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Arithmetique closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Arithmetique|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Arithmetique closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Arithmetique|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Arithmetique closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

WP:RFOREIGN, nothing particularly French (even misspelled) about arithmetic. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 18:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

:Weak keep. I think this is just plausible enough a misspelling by analogy with "technical" / "technique"', "critic" / "critique" etc. Deryck C. 16:28, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

• Keep, ish, per Deryck: this is a somewhat plausible misspelling. – Uanfala (talk) 23:51, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete. Falls squarely within WP:Redirects in languages other than English, and is not a plausible misspelling to English-speaking readers of English Wikipedia. TJRC (talk) 19:12, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:Redirects in languages other than English. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:28, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete WP:RFOREIGN. Cabayi (talk) 19:35, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:RLOTE. Narky Blert (talk) 05:29, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:FORRED. Steel1943 (talk) 16:31, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

• {{no redirect|1 = Neo Patwa }} → :List of constructed languages  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Neo_Patwa&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-07&end=2020-03-07&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Neo_Patwa stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Neo Patwa|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Neo Patwa closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Neo Patwa|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Neo Patwa closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Neo Patwa|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Neo Patwa closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

A recently created redirect to a list without mention. The list can't be expanded with relevant content as its inclusion criteria rule out entries without wikipedia articles. – Uanfala (talk) 13:50, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

• Redirect to constructed language. I shall add some information there. --Soumyabrata (talk • subpages) 14:22, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per BDD's relisting comment. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 03:56, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

• {{no redirect|1 = Dave Brown (rugby league winger) }} → :Dave Brown (rugby league, born 1913)  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dave_Brown_(rugby_league_winger)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dave_Brown_%28rugby_league_winger%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Dave Brown (rugby league winger)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Dave Brown (rugby league winger) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Dave Brown (rugby league winger)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Dave Brown (rugby league winger) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Dave Brown (rugby league winger)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Dave Brown (rugby league winger) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

It doesn't look like the subject of the redirect's target ever played the winger position, and it doesn't look like there are any other subjects listed at Dave Brown the disambiguator "rugby league winger" could apply to. Steel1943 (talk) 20:37, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

• Retarget to Dave Brown (rugby league, born 1940). The history of this redirect is very tangled, but ultimately, this is the only rugby league player named Dave Brown we describe who was a winger. It's easy to miss since he seems to have been a centre more often, but he won a major championship playing wing, so that's good enough for me. --BDD (talk) 21:05, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
• Retarget per BDD, with whose analysis I agree.

:In the 1913 article, I was entertained by "On the boat trip over one of his teammates, unable to stand the sight of Brown's hairpiece any longer, tossed it out one of the ship's portholes". Narky Blert (talk) 05:34, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

• {{no redirect|1 = St Fort }} → :Newport-on-Tay  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=St_Fort&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-06&end=2020-03-06&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=St_Fort stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:St Fort|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#St Fort closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:St Fort|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#St Fort closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:St Fort|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#St Fort closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

No mention of "St Fort" or for that matter even just "fort" at the target. Delete unless a justification can be provided. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 21:08, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:XY. [https://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/St-Fort-90953.html St Fort, Newport] exists; but there's also [https://archiveshub.jisc.ac.uk/search/archives/c4b3bdc7-dde8-3286-a1be-86f2e2a370a2 St. Fort], Fifeshire, Scotland, and the surname St. Fort (a variation of Sanford/Sandford), as borne by Khalifa St. Fort. Narky Blert (talk) 21:24, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

::There's also Saint-Fort, France; but writing that as St Fort would be doubly wrong. Narky Blert (talk) 21:30, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

• The redirect was created because of the red link for St Fort at Newburgh railway station and the area's mention at Nisbet Balfour. St Fort Hill is noted on the OS Pathfinder map, rising immediately to the south of Newport, with the St Fort home farm at the foot of its southern slopes. Sandford House (St Fort is indeed a late form of Sandforde etc.) is around 1.5 km further south near the junction of the B946 and the A92. The Pathfinder map can be accessed via [https://www.streetmap.co.uk/ Streetmap - Maps and directions for the whole of Great Britain]. Details of the area are given in Glasgow University's Fife Place-name Data site at [https://fife-placenames.glasgow.ac.uk/placename/?id=2872 St Fort] and [https://fife-placenames.glasgow.ac.uk/placename/?id=2865 Ploughlands Of St Fort]. St Fort railway station no longer functions but is situated where the railway line passes close to the hotel.{{Cite web|url=https://www.railscot.co.uk/locations/S/St_Fort/|title=St Fort - RAILSCOT|first=Ewan Crawford|last=Contributors|website=www.railscot.co.uk}} The name has no connection with a fort or fortifications and Newport is in Fife so the "St Fort, Newport" and "St Fort, Fifeshire" found in your search {{ping|Narky Blert}} are one and the same. Mutt Lunker (talk) 23:52, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
• So Keep. Mutt Lunker (talk) 11:35, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
• :{{u|Mutt Lunker}}, seems reasonable enough to me. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 23:36, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
• Retarget to Forgan (Fife) or St Fort railway station [https://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=341500&y=725500&z=120&sv=St+Fort&st=3&tl=Map+of+St+Fort+Home+Fm,+Fife+%5BFarm%5D&searchp=ids.srf&mapp=map.srf Street Map] only shows "St Fort Home Farm" today but indeed St Fort railway station has an article. It (at least the station) seems to be/have been in Forgan parish according to [https://visionofbritain.org.uk/descriptions/2070500 Vision of Britain], [https://visionofbritain.org.uk/unit/10124992/boundary older maps] (select 19th century) show "St Fort House" but no place called "St Fort". Its usual to redirect a name to the broadest meaning but we don't seem to have much evidence of just "St Fort" other than the placename cites (Google Maps does show it though but what names they show appears to not be incredibly reliable) above so maybe a redirect to the station might make more sense. The [https://www.citypopulation.de/en/uk/scotland/fife/S19001100__newport_on_tay/ census locality] that I based :Category:Newport-on-Tay on (now called "Newport-on-Tay (/ Wormit)") doesn't include St Fort which appears to roughly correspond to the former [https://visionofbritain.org.uk/unit/10361333/boundary burgh] but its clear that St Fort isn't part of the town or census locality so shouldn't redirect there. There is List of listed buildings in Newport-On-Tay, Fife so its possible now Newport-on-Tay is a separate parish but none of those [https://tools.wmflabs.org/osm4wiki/cgi-bin/wiki/wiki-osm.pl?project=en&article=List_of_listed_buildings_in_Newport-On-Tay%2C_Fife coordinates] show anything at St Fort so if it is its unlikely to be in Newport-on-Tay parish anyway. Scottish CPs do appear to have limited recognition today but the CP does seem like the best target barring the station its self. If ambiguity is a problem perhaps this could be moved to St Fort, Fife and a DAB page created at the base name but I don't think XY applies since this appears to be due to unrelated subjects sharing this name. {{ping|Mutt Lunker}} do you think it might make sense to add content to Forgan (Fife) with the placename sources you have listed? I know someone who knows Fife well so I could also ask them if they know much about this. Crouch, Swale (talk) 14:44, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
• Good suggestion to retarget to Forgan. Newport is also in Forgan{{Cite web|url=https://fife-placenames.glasgow.ac.uk/placename/?id=2860|title=Fife Place-name Data :: Newport-on-tay|website=fife-placenames.glasgow.ac.uk}} but St Fort is an adjacent rural area rather than truly being a constituent of the former. The link at Nisbet Balfour should continue to land here; Newburgh railway station is best changed to land at the railway station's article. Yes, it had occurred to me that there might be almost enough St Fort material to repurpose this as a stub but a paragraph or so at the Forgan article is probably a better solution. Mutt Lunker (talk) 15:35, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
• :{{ping|Mutt Lunker}} apparently "St Fort" is just a farm according to that person. I'd also note that railway stations appear to actually be named without "railway station" (the OS names them without the suffix) but since most require disambiguation and its likely common usage we always add it to the article titles. So if we don't target Forgan then the station makes sense but definitely not delete {{ping|Rosguill}} (though I understand you appear OK with keeping it per you're previous comment), see also [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=King%27s_Nympton&diff=412432447&oldid=412245198 this] for example. Perhaps if this is closed as target station it could also note that it can target the parish if info is later added. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:04, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

• Per my posts above and the references therein, that person's information is thus incomplete. It is an area, divided historically between a varying number of tenures, which includes, per the Pathfinder map, a named hill, the home farm and, under the older spelling of Sandford, a former hotel in the Arts and Crafts style, now apparently converted in hoilday lets, as well as the former station and railway junctions. There was also a large country house of the name, to the east of the home farm, demolished in the 1950s.{{cite web|url=https://canmore.org.uk/site/33117/st-fort |title=St Fort |publisher=Canmore |date= |accessdate=2020-03-13}} Mutt Lunker (talk) 21:55, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
• Keep. No point in redirecting to Forgan - that article is a mere stub, and present-day Forgan is no more significant a settlement than St Fort. The postal address is St Fort, Newport-on-Tay, which is probably why the redirect goes there. --86.173.33.228 (talk) 22:47, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
• [https://www.royalmail.com/find-a-postcode Royal mail postcode finder ] would confirm that the farm, hotel and station house's addresses are all given as St Fort, Newport-on-Tay. For what it's worth, Forgan is the parish, rather than a settlement per se. Mutt Lunker (talk) 00:06, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
• :Being part of the address isn't the same thing as being in somewhere, see DD postcode area#Coverage. Post towns can include many smaller settlements and even other towns, for example Hadleigh's post town is Ipswich despite being 9.5 miles from it! Since we can redirect to an entity (the parish) that St Fort is in, it doesn't really make sense to redirect it to something its merely near (the town). Also if information was added about St Fort its likely we could say that its (or at least things named St Fort X) are in the parish but at most we could probably only mention St Fort being near Newport even if we did include content on St Fort which would be awkward anyway. I still maintain that the town is not the appropriate target. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:59, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
• ::It is no more correct to say St Fort is in Forgan than it is to say it is in Newport. Forgan is a distinct and separate settlement. The fact that the parish of Forgan once covered the whole area is irrelevant, since parishes are no longer in use in Scotland, except for a few statistical purposes. This is not the place to discuss the article on Forgan, but really it would benefit from being rewritten to focus primarily on the current settlement and not the historical parish. And in any case, shouldn't it be called Forgan, Fife, rather than Forgan (Fife), to be consistent with other similar articles? Of course the real solution to the St Fort issue, rather than discussing where it should redirect, would be for someone to create a stub about the place itself, so that no redirect is needed. --86.173.33.228 (talk) 21:36, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
• :::How so? Although parishes largely no longer function in Scotland they don't appear to not at all so it is somewhat correct to say St Fort is in Forgan while its not at all correct to say St Fort is in Newport. I have questioned redirecting things to Scottish parishes before due to their limited existence but its still better than redirecting to something that its not in at all. And yes per WP:UKPLACE the parish should be comma disambiguated. If we do create an article for St Fort indeed this would be moot but its not clear if its notable enough for one. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:47, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
• Per above, there is no settlement of Forgan, current or otherwise. It is a parish only. Why do you think otherwise? Mutt Lunker (talk) 22:55, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
• :Because I know the area well. [https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/4062169 Here's a picture of the village hall.] There's also a [https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/4062155 petrol station] (possibly now closed), a [http://www.thestoveshopfife.co.uk/ stove shop], [https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1266834 chapel and cemetery], [https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1277812 golf resort and new housing estate], as well as a scattering of older houses. --86.173.33.228 (talk) 00:20, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
• A cursory look at the links you give shows that you clearly do not. They all even include maps showing their locations, pretty widely spaced apart in a broad rural location in the parish and none of them in some supposed focused settlement of Forgan. The latter link for Drumoig is, unsurprisingly for locations at Drumoig. Mutt Lunker (talk) 01:00, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
• :It is a scattered rural settlement, not a focussed village, but that's not unusual in this area. Compare for example Dunino, for which the article covers the settlement as well as the parish. I think most readers looking at an article on Forgan would expect to see information on the place as it is today, where people live and work, rather than some obscure and obsolete ecclesiastical entity. But let's not argue about that, we're supposed to be discussing St Fort here. --86.128.200.49 (talk) 12:03, 18 March 2020 (UTC) (previously 86.173.33.228)

{{reflist-talk}}

• How about this, to start a stub and break the impasse:

"St Fort ({{IPAc-en|s|ə|n|ˈ|f|oʊ|r|t}}, {{IPAc-en|s|eɪ|n|t| |f|oʊ|r|t}}, {{IPAc-en|'|s|ɑː|n|f|ə|r|d}} or {{IPAc-en|'|s|ɑː|n|f|ə|r}}) is a rural area, largely in Forgan parish, Fife. The current form of the name is late eighteenth century, the origin being a sandy ford on the Motray Water.{{Cite web|url=https://fife-placenames.glasgow.ac.uk/placename/?id=2872|title=Fife Place-name Data :: St Fort|website=fife-placenames.glasgow.ac.uk}}{{Cite web|url=https://fife-placenames.glasgow.ac.uk/placename/?id=2865|title=Fife Place-name Data :: Ploughlands Of St Fort|website=fife-placenames.glasgow.ac.uk}}{{Cite web|url=https://fife-placenames.glasgow.ac.uk/placename/?id=2527|title=Fife Place-name Data :: Naughton|website=fife-placenames.glasgow.ac.uk}}

St Fort Hill lies immediately to the south of Newport-on-Tay and William Burn’s St Fort House, a large baronial mansion, demolished in 1953, lay on its southern slopes. The Home Farm, to its west, survives.{{Cite web|url=https://canmore.org.uk/site/33117/st-fort|title=St Fort | Canmore|website=canmore.org.uk}}

Further south, the area was formerly served by St Fort railway station, on the Edinburgh–Aberdeen line.{{Cite web|url=https://www.railscot.co.uk/locations/S/St_Fort/|title=St Fort - RAILSCOT|first=Ewan Crawford|last=Contributors|website=www.railscot.co.uk}} The triangular St Fort junctions, connecting the now-defunct Newburgh and North Fife Railway, lay to the station’s south-east.

Baillie Scott’s Arts and Crafts style Sandford House Hotel, taking the earlier form of the area's name, lies immediately to the station's west, just into Kilmany parish.{{Cite web|url=https://www.scotsman.com/regions/dundee-and-tayside/sandford-house-near-newport-tay-hotel-haven-1488292|title=Sandford House near Newport on Tay, from hotel to haven|website=www.scotsman.com}} Its restoration as a residence and holiday cottages was documented in the BBC television series Restoration Home.{{Cite web|url=https://www.sandfordcountrycottages.co.uk/about-us/history|title=History|website=Sandford Country Cottages}}{{Cite web|url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01l9yc8|title=BBC Two - Restoration Home, Series 2, Sandford House|website=BBC}}https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VhidDfAPkQ"{{reflist-talk}}

:Yes Mutt Lunker good suggestion, thanks. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:25, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

:Yes, that looks good. Thanks for starting this. --86.128.200.49 (talk) 12:03, 18 March 2020 (UTC) (previously 86.173.33.228)

::I've created the stub. Mutt Lunker (talk) 12:17, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

::Thanks all and glad we've resolved this. Mutt Lunker (talk) 14:19, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

• Convert to article (changing !vote). Good stub. Narky Blert (talk) 05:38, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

• {{no redirect|1 = Generation Beta }} → :Generation Alpha  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Generation_Beta&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Generation_Beta stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Generation Beta|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Generation Beta closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Generation Beta|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Generation Beta closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Generation Beta|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Generation Beta closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

"Beta" is not mentioned in the target article. I would suggest deletion unless a justification can be provided. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:12, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

• Delete. Enwiki has nothing about "Generation Beta". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:31, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete. We have nothing about this hypothetical demographic cohort. Generation Alpha is not even done being born yet. Nerd271 (talk) 19:41, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
• Keep as redirect for now. It should definitely link somewhere, as it's the upcoming generation is beginning to be discussed. For example: Until it was converted into an article, "Generation Alpha" redirected to the previous Generation Z for years (etc.). Paintspot Infez (talk) 00:13, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete Not mentioned in target article, WP:CRYSTAL. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 15:55, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per Ohnoitsjamie; the fact that it “is beginning to be discussed” does in no way mean it should link somewhere where it isn't. Also, deleting would motivate article creation. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 19:04, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

• {{no redirect|1 = Half-island }} → :Peninsula  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Half-island&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Half-island stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Half-island|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Half-island closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Half-island|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Half-island closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Half-island|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Half-island closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

I can't find any sources supporting this {{tl|R from synonym}} – namely that "half-island" is a synonym of peninsula. It is not mentioned at the target and also inconsistent with Wiktionary (wikt:half-island). Unless sources or a suitable alternative target is found, I suggest deletion. ComplexRational (talk) 18:55, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

• Soft redirect to Wiktionary - we have {{tl|Wiktionary redirect}} just for this. Wiktionary handles the etymology from "half-island" or "almost-island" to peninsula, but our article does not. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:17, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
• Soft redirect to Wiktionary - come to think of it, I have never heard anyone use it naturally to mean a peninsula. GaɱingFørFuɲ³⁶⁵ 23:45, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
• Nominator comment I did not initially consider a simple redirect to Wiktionary; that seems reasonable to me. ComplexRational (talk) 01:08, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. Half-island looks like a translation of German :wikt:Halbinsel. Narky Blert (talk) 08:44, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

• {{no redirect|1 = Lester Nielsen }} → :Leslie Nielsen  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lester_Nielsen&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Lester_Nielsen stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Lester Nielsen|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Lester Nielsen closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Lester Nielsen|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Lester Nielsen closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Lester Nielsen|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Lester Nielsen closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Deborah Castellaneta }} → :Deb Lacusta  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deborah_Castellaneta&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Deborah_Castellaneta stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Deborah Castellaneta|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Deborah Castellaneta closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Deborah Castellaneta|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Deborah Castellaneta closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Deborah Castellaneta|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Deborah Castellaneta closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Deb Castellaneta }} → :Deb Lacusta  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deb_Castellaneta&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Deb_Castellaneta stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Deb Castellaneta|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Deb Castellaneta closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Deb Castellaneta|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Deb Castellaneta closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Deb Castellaneta|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Deb Castellaneta closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Lawrence Lurex }} → :Freddie Mercury#Solo career  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lawrence_Lurex&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Lawrence_Lurex stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Lawrence Lurex|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Lawrence Lurex closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Lawrence Lurex|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Lawrence Lurex closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Lawrence Lurex|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Lawrence Lurex closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Kenneth Masters }} → :Ken Masters  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kenneth_Masters&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Kenneth_Masters stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Kenneth Masters|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Kenneth Masters closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Kenneth Masters|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Kenneth Masters closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Kenneth Masters|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Kenneth Masters closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Kenny Masters }} → :Ken Masters  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kenny_Masters&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Kenny_Masters stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Kenny Masters|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Kenny Masters closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Kenny Masters|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Kenny Masters closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Kenny Masters|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Kenny Masters closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Thomas Kenneth }} → :Tom Kenny  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thomas_Kenneth&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Thomas_Kenneth stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Thomas Kenneth|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Thomas Kenneth closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Thomas Kenneth|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Thomas Kenneth closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Thomas Kenneth|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Thomas Kenneth closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Frederick Mercury }} → :Freddie Mercury  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Frederick_Mercury&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Frederick_Mercury stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Frederick Mercury|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Frederick Mercury closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Frederick Mercury|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Frederick Mercury closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Frederick Mercury|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Frederick Mercury closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Laurence Lurex }} → :Freddie Mercury#Solo career  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Laurence_Lurex&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Laurence_Lurex stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Laurence Lurex|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Laurence Lurex closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Laurence Lurex|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Laurence Lurex closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Laurence Lurex|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Laurence Lurex closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Frederick Augustus Douglas }} → :Frederick Douglass  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Frederick_Augustus_Douglas&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Frederick_Augustus_Douglas stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Frederick Augustus Douglas|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Frederick Augustus Douglas closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Frederick Augustus Douglas|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Frederick Augustus Douglas closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Frederick Augustus Douglas|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Frederick Augustus Douglas closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Timothy Derrick Allen }} → :Tim Allen  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Timothy_Derrick_Allen&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Timothy_Derrick_Allen stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Timothy Derrick Allen|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Timothy Derrick Allen closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Timothy Derrick Allen|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Timothy Derrick Allen closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Timothy Derrick Allen|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Timothy Derrick Allen closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Harris Rickinson }} → :Harris Dickinson  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Harris_Rickinson&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Harris_Rickinson stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Harris Rickinson|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Harris Rickinson closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Harris Rickinson|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Harris Rickinson closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Harris Rickinson|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Harris Rickinson closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Harris Derrickinson }} → :Harris Dickinson  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Harris_Derrickinson&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Harris_Derrickinson stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Harris Derrickinson|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Harris Derrickinson closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Harris Derrickinson|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Harris Derrickinson closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Harris Derrickinson|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Harris Derrickinson closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = James Foxx }} → :Jamie Foxx  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=James_Foxx&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=James_Foxx stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:James Foxx|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#James Foxx closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:James Foxx|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#James Foxx closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:James Foxx|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#James Foxx closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Camilla Diaz }} → :Cameron Diaz  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Camilla_Diaz&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Camilla_Diaz stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Camilla Diaz|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Camilla Diaz closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Camilla Diaz|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Camilla Diaz closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Camilla Diaz|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Camilla Diaz closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Billiah Eilish }} → :Billie Eilish  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Billiah_Eilish&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Billiah_Eilish stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Billiah Eilish|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Billiah Eilish closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Billiah Eilish|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Billiah Eilish closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Billiah Eilish|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Billiah Eilish closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Billiah O'Connell }} → :Billie Eilish  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Billiah_O%27Connell&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Billiah_O%27Connell stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Billiah O'Connell|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Billiah O'Connell closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Billiah O'Connell|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Billiah O'Connell closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Billiah O'Connell|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Billiah O'Connell closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Harry Morris Warner }} → :Bill Clinton  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Harry_Morris_Warner&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Harry_Morris_Warner stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Harry Morris Warner|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Harry Morris Warner closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Harry Morris Warner|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Harry Morris Warner closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Harry Morris Warner|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Harry Morris Warner closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]
• {{no redirect|1 = Mike J. Fox }} → :Michael J. Fox  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mike_J._Fox&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Mike_J._Fox stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Mike J. Fox|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Mike J. Fox closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Mike J. Fox|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Mike J. Fox closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Mike J. Fox|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Mike J. Fox closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = William Idol }} → :Billy Idol  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=William_Idol&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=William_Idol stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:William Idol|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#William Idol closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:William Idol|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#William Idol closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:William Idol|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#William Idol closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

These range in utility from names the subjects are not generally known by, through to minor but unused modifications, and names that are simply made up. I think that all of these should be deleted, but other editors might know more about why these are useful. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 17:43, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

• Delete all. All of these are made up, and some of them sound like plausible typos or misnomers until you read how specific names are used. For example Billy Idol's full name is William Michael Albert Broad, but he is never referred to in the article as William Idol or William Michael Albert Idol or something else that would make the redirect a plausible misnomer. OcelotCreeper (talk) 18:17, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

• {{no redirect|1 = Alfred Mercury }} → :Freddie Mercury  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alfred_Mercury&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Alfred_Mercury stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Alfred Mercury|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Alfred Mercury closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Alfred Mercury|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Alfred Mercury closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Alfred Mercury|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Alfred Mercury closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

• {{no redirect|1 = Alfred Bulsara }} → :Freddie Mercury  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alfred_Bulsara&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Alfred_Bulsara stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Alfred Bulsara|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Alfred Bulsara closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Alfred Bulsara|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Alfred Bulsara closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Alfred Bulsara|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Alfred Bulsara closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Freddie is not short for Alfred, and "Alfred" isn't mentioned anywhere on the page. However, I'm not 100% sold on deletion. I just don't see how this is a useful redirect, as Freddie Mercury has never been called "Alfred". Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:04, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

• Delete - not apparently related to target, and no further information available. The creator seems to have a habit of creating inappropriate redirects, some of which I'm going to add. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 17:37, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete not related to Freddie Mercury in any way. ... discospinster _talk 01:38, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

• {{no redirect|1 = Pokemon day }} → :Pokémon Red and Blue  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pokemon_day&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Pokemon_day stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Pokemon day|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Pokemon day closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Pokemon day|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Pokemon day closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Pokemon day|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Pokemon day closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

The day that is Pokemon Day is not discussed on the target page. There are references to such day throughout Wikipedia, but I'm not sure any of such pages are good targets for this redirect. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 16:35, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. I think there were also similar redirects nominated in the past (and I think I was the nominator), but I can't find them at the moment. Steel1943 (talk) 16:36, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

• {{no redirect|1 = Encyclopedia of silliness }} → :Uncyclopedia  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Encyclopedia_of_silliness&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-07&end=2020-03-07&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Encyclopedia_of_silliness stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Encyclopedia of silliness|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Encyclopedia of silliness closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Encyclopedia of silliness|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Encyclopedia of silliness closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Encyclopedia of silliness|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Encyclopedia of silliness closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

I can't find Uncyclopedia to be mentioned under this phrase. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

• Comment – Uncyclopedia is an encyclopedia of silliness. It is mentioned on the WP:BJAODN. --Soumyabrata (talk • subpages) 10:17, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete - A Google search brings up this redirect and a copy of the BJAODN page on a WP mirror. Seems like this is an obscure or novel synonym for the target (RFD Delete #8). Hog Farm (talk) 17:45, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

• Comment – This appears to be a WP:INVOLVED relist without explanation. I don't see clear consensus yet, but another editor should look over this. ComplexRational (talk) 18:52, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

:: What's unclear about the consensus? WP:RGUIDE says {{tquote|If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion, the default result is delete.}} If there is discussion consisting only of comments and supporting votes, then obviously the consensus is delete. See also WP:SILENT. Paradoctor (talk) 12:45, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

:::I think 1234qwer1234qwer4 relisted out of an abundance of caution; since they are the nom, it's better form to leave it open and relist than to close consistently with their own position. It might have been better just to wait and let someone else make that call, but this strikes me as a case where an editor is going out of their way to ensure fairness, even against their own position. TJRC (talk) 19:52, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

• Delete. No reason to believe this is a likely search term. TJRC (talk) 19:48, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

• Delete. Unlikely for anyone to search this up. Kevindongyt (talk 10:47pm, March 19 2020 —Preceding undated comment added 22:47, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

• {{no redirect|1 = EISP }} → :Orgasm  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=EISP&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=EISP stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:EISP|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#EISP closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:EISP|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#EISP closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:EISP|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#EISP closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Ambiguous redirect, as pointed out on the Miscellaneous Village Pump. (I'm a new user - am I doing this right?) Catgirllover4ever (talk) 06:29, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

• Disambiguate

:* The English International School of Padua

:* English International School Prague

:* English for Integrated Studies Project

:* Exercise-Induced Sexual Pleasure[https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-pleasures-sex/201203/exercise-induced-orgasms-you-asked-im-answering], but neither orgasm#Exercise-induced nor sexual stimulation mention the term.

: Paradoctor (talk) 07:33, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

• KeepDisambiguate as per Paradoctor (see below) Perhaps I can add a bit of clarity here. EISP is an ambiguous term needing a redirect to the schools which use those initials. The term 'Exercise-induced sexual pleasure' got attention from scholars and the media around the first half of the 2010s as you can see [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22exercise-induced+sexual+pleasure%22&rlz=1CAPPDO_enUS716BM717&oq=%22exercise-induced+sexual+pleasure%22&aqs=chrome..69i57.11619j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 here] by referring to what was in popular parlance a 'coregasm'. The wiki-article on Coregasm which I wrote got merged into the wiki-article on Orgasm, but the section got whittled down; evidently many of the contributors to the Orgasm article did not think that it was a valid term, that it was pop culture nonsense; nevertheless there is still discussion in the Orgasm article (hard to find because the Table of Contents is set to only the top levels). Bottom line: the term should point to this section of the Orgasm article [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgasm#Exercise-induced Orgasm#Females#Exercise-induced here] which is under the second section Females, subsection Achieving Orgasm, subsection entitled 'Exercise-induced'. So I hope that fellow Wikipedians find this exercise of possibly redirecting the redirect to be thoroughly stimulating.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 09:11, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

:: a) The section does not mention / define the term, so redirecting there is pointless.

:: b) Even if it did mention the term, it is not clear that it is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the term. See [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&range=latest-20&pages=English_for_Integrated_Studies%7CEnglish_International_School_Prague%7CThe_English_International_School_of_Padua%7CEISP Pageviews].

:: Paradoctor (talk) 09:27, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

:::Comment. I added the full term Exercise-induced sexual pleasure to the Exercise-induced section of the Orgasm article. While I agree it's not the most common usage, it does crop up in academic research such as [https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14681994.2011.647902 here], which is better than if there was a redirect for WISP (Wikipedia-induced...)--Tomwsulcer (talk) 12:05, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

:::: Good. Got anything countering b) the pageviews data? Paradoctor (talk) 12:24, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

:::::No. Frankly I am not that committed to either inclusion or deletion of the redirect -- in the broader scheme of things, we're in deckchairs territory, shuffling them about.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 13:36, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

:::::: Umm, you realize these are not the only options? Cf. my vote. Paradoctor (talk) 14:15, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

:::::::Update changing to Disambiguate as per Paradoctor (I favor keeping link from Exercise-induced sexual pleasure to the appropriate section of the Orgasm page but frankly I have no strong opinion either way on this.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 15:25, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

• Disambiguate per Paradoctor. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 17:12, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
• Comment – Can someone draft a disambig on the redirect page? --Soumyabrata (talk • subpages) 12:29, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

:: Are you asking whether this is possible, or do you want someone to do it? If the latter: I'm just waiting for this discussion to be closed. Paradoctor (talk) 12:40, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

::: Adding a ping to Soumyabrata, who may be unaware of the Paradoctor's question above. --CiaPan (talk) 13:18, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

::::Drafted below the redirect and RFD notices. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 16:46, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

• Disambiguate I was going to retarget it myself, but the Paradoctor's proposal is much better, so I support it now. --CiaPan (talk) 11:28, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
• Disambiguate and Close as moot; Ivanvector (kudos unto them) has already added the disambiguation page text; it is no longer a Redirect for discussion, so I think we're done here. TJRC (talk) 19:54, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

• {{no redirect|1 = Intelligent Technology and Electronics }} → :Intel  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Intelligent_Technology_and_Electronics&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-07&end=2020-03-07&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Intelligent_Technology_and_Electronics stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Intelligent Technology and Electronics|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Intelligent Technology and Electronics closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Intelligent Technology and Electronics|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Intelligent Technology and Electronics closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Intelligent Technology and Electronics|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Intelligent Technology and Electronics closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Not mentioned at the target, I don't see any indication that this is actually an alternative name for Intel. Delete unless a justification can be provided. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 23:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

• Delete - [https://newsroom.intel.com/news/intel-50-gordon-moore-founding-intel/#gs.zc8hrv this story] says it's "Integrated Electronics". That, along with Xpert Engine On, makes two bogus-sounding Intel-related redirects from the same account; is somebody trolling? Guy Harris (talk) 02:09, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

::I would be inclined to think that this one could be an honest mistake, but Xpert Engine On seems like a bit of a stretch. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 02:15, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

• Delete No hits on Google: WP:MADEUP. Paradoctor (talk) 14:22, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

• {{no redirect|1 = Гольдфарб, Вениамин Иосифович }} → :ru:Гольдфарб, Вениамин Иосифович  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%93%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B4%D1%84%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B1,_%D0%92%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BD_%D0%98%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=%D0%93%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B4%D1%84%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B1%2C_%D0%92%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BD_%D0%98%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Гольдфарб, Вениамин Иосифович|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Гольдфарб, Вениамин Иосифович closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Гольдфарб, Вениамин Иосифович|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Гольдфарб, Вениамин Иосифович closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Гольдфарб, Вениамин Иосифович|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Гольдфарб, Вениамин Иосифович closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Delete, unless there is an appropriate local page to retarget this to. Sending readers to non-English content is not helpful. {{plain link|1=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Template%3ASoft+redirect&namespace=0|2=Additionally, the plain soft redirect template is not used in the mainspace.}} Precedents: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 August 21#Mohamed Chabani, Saint Michel Boulevard, and Bonne Nuit les Petits. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 03:01, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

• Retarget to Veniamin Iosifovich Goldfarb, which is the English Wikipedia's equivalent to :ru:Гольдфарб, Вениамин Иосифович. "Гольдфарб, Вениамин Иосифович" is a variant of his name in Russian. Regards, SONIC678 03:12, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

• {{no redirect|1 = Enkyklopaideia }} → :Encyclopedia  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Enkyklopaideia&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-07&end=2020-03-07&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Enkyklopaideia stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Enkyklopaideia|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Enkyklopaideia closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Enkyklopaideia|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Enkyklopaideia closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Enkyklopaideia|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Enkyklopaideia closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Nothing particularly Greek in an encyclopedia as an entity (etymological relations are irrelevant). 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:43, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

• Keep – this is a romanization of the Greek word whence the word "encyclopedia". --Soumyabrata (talk • subpages) 10:16, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete Chances are low that someone knows the etymology of "encyclopedia", but not its spelling. –Austronesier (talk) 16:21, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

• Delete. Falls squarely within WP:Redirects in languages other than English. 19:12, 17 March 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by TJRC (talk • contribs)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

• {{no redirect|1 = Espanolo }} → :Spanglish  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Espanolo&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-07&end=2020-03-07&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Espanolo stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Espanolo|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Espanolo closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Espanolo|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Espanolo closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Espanolo|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Espanolo closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Pseudo-Esperanto for Spanish. No relation with the portmanteau Spanglish. Soumyabrata (talk • subpages) 15:22, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

• Delete. Never heard this term, doesn't appear at eo.wiki. —Granger (talk · contribs) 08:33, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete. WP:A11. Cabayi (talk) 09:20, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

::{{re|Cabayi}} the "A" prefix only applies to articles, so it cannot apply to any redirects. -- Tavix ^(talk) 13:20, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

:::{{u|Tavix}}, that'll teach me not to be economical with the typing... It's a neologism which means nothing to anybody but its creator. A web search returns this discussion as the only matching result. Cabayi (talk) 16:21, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

• Delete - A Google search result brings up an Urban Dictionary result related to Spanglish, a song, and results for "espanol o". No evidence this is a widely used phrase. Hog Farm (talk) 04:39, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete. Falls squarely within WP:Redirects in languages other than English. 19:12, 17 March 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by TJRC (talk • contribs)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

• {{no redirect|1 = Stabbery (Shrek) }} → :List of Shrek characters#Stabbery  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stabbery_(Shrek)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-07&end=2020-03-07&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Stabbery_%28Shrek%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Stabbery (Shrek)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Stabbery (Shrek) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Stabbery (Shrek)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Stabbery (Shrek) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Stabbery (Shrek)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Stabbery (Shrek) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Not mentioned in target article. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 17:22, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

• Delete. I wasn't able to find anything on this alleged Stabbery character on Bing except results on this page and [https://shrekopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Stabbery|a blank page on Shrekopedia]. Could this possibly be someone's assumption about the name of a minor character? Regards, SONIC678 03:05, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete. I got two Shrek wikis on Google. Literally nothing to indicate that the name Stabbery has been assigned in the minds of more than one person. Hog Farm (talk) 04:40, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

• {{no redirect|1 = Shak-spere }} → :William Shakespeare  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shak-spere&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-07&end=2020-03-07&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Shak-spere stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Shak-spere|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Shak-spere closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Shak-spere|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Shak-spere closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Shak-spere|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Shak-spere closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

No reason for a hyphen here. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:56, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

• The spelling of Shakespeare's name varied widely during his life and beyond. The man himself signed it as :Shakspere on at least one occasion, and his name has been hyphenated in various forms. Most results I'm seeing on the web seem to be from books where the name is just broken over two lines of text, though. I don't feel strongly enough to say keep or delete; just wanted to share this info. --BDD (talk) 23:19, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete. Although Shakespeare signed his name in many different ways (you may be able to guess the spelling he didn't ever use), this looks like a misunderstood hyphenated line break. Narky Blert (talk) 09:59, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
• Keep per BDD. I encourage people to create as many spellings of Shakespeare as possible. --Soumyabrata (talk • subpages) 06:14, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

• Keep per BDD. English surnames weren't generally standardized until the 19th century, that's why the soundex system exists. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 17:15, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
• Keep. BDD and Ivanvector said it all already. At most it could be tagged with {{tl|R from misspelling}}, but according to BDD this spelling variant even was actually used. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 09:13, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
• Keep per BDD, given the variance of the spelling of Shakespeare's name. Paintspot Infez (talk) 23:24, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
• Comment: The article only mentions Shakspere and Shake-spere, not Shak-spere. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 16:09, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

• {{no redirect|1 = How to pronounce English }} → :English phonology  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=How_to_pronounce_English&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-07&end=2020-03-07&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=How_to_pronounce_English stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:How to pronounce English|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#How to pronounce English closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:How to pronounce English|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#How to pronounce English closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:How to pronounce English|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#How to pronounce English closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Unreasonable search term. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a manual, guidebook, textbook, or scientific journal. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 23:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

• Comment – it comes from "[http://www.zompist.com/spell.html Hou tu pranownse Inglish]". --Soumyabrata (talk • subpages) 10:19, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

::FWIW, that link is about :English spelling, not :English phonology –Austronesier (talk) 12:16, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:NOHOWTO. –Austronesier (talk) 12:20, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
• Redirect to English phonology. I can see this being a reasonable search term and, as the content of the target article, in the words of WP:NOHOWTO does not {{tq|read like}} any of the listed criteria, WP:NOHOWTO doesn't really apply. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]} 15:52, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
• Keep per Æμ§œš. The policies on WP:NOHOWTO only limit to the articles, not redirects. --Soumyabrata (talk • subpages) 16:00, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

• Comment: This kind of redirect is actually an example at WP:PANDORA. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 10:58, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

:*Not really. Beginning with "how to" doesn't make something automatically a question. We already have similar redirects:

:**How to make a Mayday call, which redirects to Mayday, since April 2004. This one was the subject of two different discussions (here and here) which both resulted in keeps.

:**How to factor polynomials, which has redirected to Polynomials. This was the subject of a discussion here that resulted in no consensus.

:**How to play basketball, which redirects to Rules of basketball, since February 2010. This was the subject of a discussion (here) that resulted in keep.

:**How to Annotate, which directs to Annotation, since January 2015.

:**We also have How to be gangster, which redirects to gangster, since October 2008, though this one seems like a joke that never got deleted.

:*There are more than this, but I think the point is clear. We can take redirects beginning with "how to" on a case-by-case basis and evaluate them on their merits. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]} 18:05, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

• Keep - if a reader wants information on "how to pronounce English" they will find it at the target article. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 17:25, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
• Keep per Ivanvector and since WP:PANDORA has been invoked. -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:02, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete. There's no justification to add a "how to" prefix redirect for articles in Wikipedia. The presence of other such redirects is not a justification, any more than having unreferenced material in an article is an invitation to add more unreferenced material. Bad ideas should be fixed rather than used as justification for further bad ideas. TJRC (talk) 19:39, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
• :It's not just that other such redirects exist. It's that they have weathered community scrutiny in the form of deletion discussions such as this. If there's an inherent problem with beginning a redirect with how to... then it might help to remark on what contributors of those other discussions missed, rather than just say "there's no justification" (which is either a case of WP:IJUSTDONTLIKEIT or WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT). — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]} 20:28, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
• Delete. As much as I don't care for WP:PANDORA being invoked either, that's not the issue I see with this redirect. Does this redirect refer to words in the English language or how to pronounce the word "English"? Keeping this redirect existing is allowing a combination of a vague redirect and a possible WP:NOTDICT violation to remain. Steel1943 (talk) 16:26, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• :I don't think that makes any sense. If Wikipedia is, indeed, not a dictionary, then our redirects should reflect that we are presuming users are not using it as one. We should not tailor the user experience around the belief that they have mistakenly come to Wikipedia to look up the pronunciation of individual words and that means that we should not read "how to pronounce English" as "how to pronounce English" or interpret ambiguity here (or at pronunciation of English, which would technically have the same ambiguity you're talking about). Not only is this theoretically and philosophically consistent with WP:NOTDICT, but it's a strain on credulity that someone would come to Wikipedia to look how to pronounce the word English in the first place. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]} 17:15, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• ::In a nutshell, I'm stating that the redirect is vague and shouldn't exist at all. Also, pertaining to "{{Tq|... If Wikipedia is, indeed, not a dictionary...}}": Wikipedia's sister project, Wiktionary, is a dictionary, and dictionaries are the preferred source for breaking down word pronunciation. And regarding the rest of the above statement, if you see any other dictionary-ish redirects like this one that may be problematic, feel free to nominate them here as well: Trying to state all of that in reference to the nominated redirect at hand is a borderline straw man, and rather sounds like a proposal for some sort of new policy. Steel1943 (talk) 21:35, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
• :::I understand your argument. I'm saying it doesn't make any sense because it doesn't hold water. The ambiguity you're so concerned about is a non-issue. The interpretation that goes against WP:NOTDICT is both unlikely and not one we should concern ourselves with if we are to adhere to this policy. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt]} 02:11, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

• {{no redirect|1 = Pronunciation of X }} → :X  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pronunciation_of_X&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-07&end=2020-03-07&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Pronunciation_of_X stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Pronunciation of X|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Pronunciation of X closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Pronunciation of X|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Pronunciation of X closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Pronunciation of X|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Pronunciation of X closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Oddly specific search term. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:29, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Steel1943 (talk) 17:15, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
• Keep - if a reader wants to find information on the pronunciation of X, they'll find it at the target. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 17:26, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
• Keep per Ivanvector. Valid redirect name, can help reverse lookup. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 23:17, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

• {{no redirect|1 = Hiromi Fujii }} → :Hiromu Fujii  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hiromi_Fujii&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2020-02-15&end=2020-03-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Hiromi_Fujii stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Hiromi Fujii|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Hiromi Fujii closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Hiromi Fujii|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Hiromi Fujii closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Hiromi Fujii|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Hiromi Fujii closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Per WP:XY. There is a notable athlete of that name, see incoming links. There is also a very likely notable architect[http://www.frac-centre.fr/collection/collection-art-architecture/index-des-auteurs/auteurs-58.html?authID=275][http://socks-studio.com/2013/12/04/house-within-a-house-1-todoroki-residence-by-hiromi-fujii-ichikawa-1976/], and an apparently non-notable baseball player. Not the same as the target, see Talk:Hiromu Fujii#Fixing this page. Paradoctor (talk) 00:30, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

• Delete to encourage article creation. Narky Blert (talk) 13:20, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.