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== [[Template:International recognition of states with limited recognition]] ==

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The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:03, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

:{{Tfd links|International recognition of states with limited recognition}}

Redundant to {{tl|States with limited recognition}} TBrandley (T • C • B) 23:35, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

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== [[Template:Infobox LARP group]] ==

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The result of the discussion was merge Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:13, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

:{{Tfd links|Infobox LARP group|type=merge}}

:{{Tfd links|Infobox gaming group|type=merge}}

Propose merging Template:Infobox LARP group into Template:Infobox gaming group. there are enough similarities, that merging the two should present no major problems. Frietjes (talk) 22:22, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

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== [[Template:Texas cities]] ==

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G2 by {{admin|RHaworth}} AnomieBOT⚡ 11:06, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

:{{Tfd links|Texas cities}}

unused. Frietjes (talk) 18:50, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

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== [[Template:Infobox space station module]] ==

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The result of the discussion was nomination withdrawn.

:{{Tfd links|Infobox space station module}}

unused. Frietjes (talk) 17:11, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • This template is not unused, it's used in 5 articles, and what is it redendant to? --AussieLegend (✉) 16:44, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
  • you are correct, I am withdrawing the nomination. Frietjes (talk) 18:35, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

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== [[Template:Infobox space expedition]] ==

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The result of the discussion was merge if you want, but it appears the ultimate plan for these is to have them both deleted. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:20, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

:{{Tfd links|Infobox space expedition|type=merge}}

:{{Tfd links|Infobox space mission|type=merge}}

Propose merging {{tl|Infobox space expedition}} into {{tl|Infobox space mission}}. the space mission infobox handles docking dates much better, and the only unique thing in the space expedition box is the landing vehicle, which could be easily added. Frietjes (talk) 16:58, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Merge per nom. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:12, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment I would say that both should be merged to a new title {{tl|Infobox manned space mission}}, since space missions do not need to be manned, and these are specifically for manned missions. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 00:31, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

::Articles like AS-201 and Pad Abort Test-1 (Apollo) which were unmannned missions, use {{tl|Infobox space mission}}, so {{tl|Infobox manned space mission}} would be an inappropriate title. --AussieLegend (✉) 16:50, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

:::Those are both missions in manned space projects. This template doesn't work for unmanned missions that are not related to manned space. -- 70.24.244.158 (talk) 07:31, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

::::Nevertheless, using "manned space mission" for missions that were themselves unmanned seems misleading. It might be better to leave this at "Infobox space mission". --AussieLegend (✉) 07:53, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

:::::It's rather more misleading for it to be called "space mission" when it isn't for the robotic ones. Though WDG points out these have been obsoleted, and will soon be deleted to take care of this. -- 70.24.244.158 (talk) 07:20, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

  • Close as redundant - All of the templates already mentioned in this discussion have already been merged into {{tl|Infobox spaceflight}}. Due to the large numbers of transclusions and different syntaxes the process of changing over the templates is taking a while, but fiddling with the old, redundant, templates in the meantime would be counterproductive. --W. D. Graham 20:29, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
  • : then delete both of them after they are replaced? Frietjes (talk) 20:47, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
  • ::From the discussion below (regarding a template which has already been fully replaced) that would seem to be the consensus. They'd probably qualify for speedy. --W. D. Graham 20:55, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

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== [[Template:Valve games]] ==

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The result of the discussion was do not merge Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:17, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

:{{Tfd links|Valve games|type=merge}}

:{{Tfd links|Valve technology|type=merge}}

Propose merging Template:Valve games with Template:Valve technology.

I think these two templates should be merged to make a full Valve Corporation template. The valve tech template is too small to be on its own.Vaypertrail (talk) 16:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

:Oppose I've seen small nav templates than the Valve Corporate one, and the combined template would be rather weighty. --MASEM (t) 16:21, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

:Oppose Though the two fields of technology and video games overlap, and they are from the same company, the two fields are significantly different. --Soetermans. T / C 19:33, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

:Oppose - While there is indeed a correlation linked to Valve, the games section is in an entirely different sector than technology. DarthBotto talk•cont 17:33, 05 September 2013 (UTC)

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== [[Template:Islamic republics]] ==

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:18, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

:{{Tfd links|Islamic republics}}

Unnecessary. List is included in the article. — Lfdder (talk) 11:44, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete, this is an almost meaningless grouping. "Islamic republic" seems to be used as synonymous with sharia state, which it isn't.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 13:40, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • delete per Underlying lk. Frietjes (talk) 17:03, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete The category is sufficient. Jason from nyc (talk) 14:47, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

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== International organisation country article navboxes ==

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The result of the discussion was keep Template:Commonwealth of Independent States, Template:Arab League, Template:States with limited recognition and delete Template:Cairns Group member countries, Template:West Nordic Council, Template:Member states of the Arab Maghreb Union, Template:Asia–Europe Foundation partners, Template:Baltic Assembly, Template:Four Asian Tigers, Template:G-3, Template:Ibero-American Summit, Template:South Pacific Applied Geoscience Commission (SOPAC), Template:Like Minded Group, Template:D8 nations, Template:Community of Democracies, Template:South Atlantic Peace and Cooperation Zone, Template:Turkic Council, Template:Union for the Mediterranean, and no consensus for the rest Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:05, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

: And merge Template:G8+5 with Template:G8 nations. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:30, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

  • Procedural keep this is a bad mass-grouping of templates. They should be nominated individually. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 11:39, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • What's bad about it? All of these are navboxes; of/to do with international organisations; that link only to country articles (and sometimes to other international orgs). Hard to get more specific than that. Regardless, I nominated them all on the same basis. — Lfdder (talk) 11:44, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • I have to agree with the IP, even if I would delete nearly all of them, and I know that having to create a single nomination for each one is an annoying task.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 13:38, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • There we go. Enjoy. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Of course no one's gonna bother to vote on each of 50 shitty navboxes and they'll all be kept. Diabolical! — Lfdder (talk) 13:55, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • If there aren't enough votes, it will just be relisted as it happens normally.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 04:46, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Update the nominations have been separated, so my procedural note is no longer relevant. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 14:56, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment The nominator is also lacking in elucidating what is being overkilled, thus having a poor rationale. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 11:41, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Nothing is "being overkilled"; it is overkill to have this many navboxes to link between country articles. — Lfdder (talk) 11:46, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Why exactly? If every single one of these navboxes was shoved on a single article, that may be overkill and there'd be a legitimate discussion to be had over which were necessary and which may be removed from that article (though of course there's always the availability of collapsing them). But they're not. Nor have you explained why a navbox only linking to a certain class of article, in this case, county articles, is a reason to delete. - Chrism would like to hear from you 15:20, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Some have too many. Countries can be categorised into so many things and we'd have hundreds of navboxes if were to make one for each category we can think of. More importantly, we don't need to make navboxes for superficial or tangential relationships....like these. — Lfdder (talk) 15:45, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Some articles may indeed have too many. Some of these navboxes may be for very superficial relationships. Going from there to "let's delete all of the navboxes, anywhere, ever" seems very much like a case of accidentally disposing of the baby while draining the bathwater. As yet, you've provided no rationale for why these are "superficial or tangential relationships" other than a statement that these are "superficial or tangential relationships" without any attempt to discuss any of these in any form of detail. - Chrism would like to hear from you 17:04, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Near as I can tell, Lfdder has not argued "let's delete all of the navboxes, anywhere, ever", so lets can the hyperbole. It adds nothing of value to the discussion. Resolute 20:02, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful navigational boxes, that are very helpful whenever I search for a relevant subject. Dimadick (talk) 15:30, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • I'm leaning delete for most of these, though there are some exceptions. I feel this way for several reasons: 1. linkspam. Turkey, for instance, has 16 such templates in the "International organisations" section of its link farm. 2. Theses linkspam templates are article content in template namespace. Primarily since they are a simple list of countries in nearly all cases, and secondarily because the templates collectively become "List of international organisations foo nation is a member of". 3. Negligible navigational value. 3a: A user looking up G8, for instance, is not going to find the information they want by going from the Canada article to the Japan article. 3b. A reader looking for a list of member nations is going to go to the G8 article long before they start searching for the needle in the haystack at the bottom of these national articles. 3c. High degree of redundancy (e.g.: G8, G8+5, G20, etc) Specific comments for each template, where necessary. Resolute 20:02, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • As the argument is the same for all deletion requests I don't see why they are separated as we could end up with deleting some and keeping some under the same deletion arguments. Anyway I would vote to keep them as navigational boxes are useful for navigation. They don't try to be anything else, just simple navigation boxes.--Avala (talk) 23:52, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • They are separated because, though the rationale is the same, the notability of the organization/treaty/geographic zone each navbox is designed around isn't the same. Someone can supplement the duplicated deletion rationale with their own rationale on particular templates. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 02:21, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • NOTE, these are related to TfD nominations from the 26th, 27th, 29th of August -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 02:21, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose. I realize that this has been broken out into separate nominations, but I don't think the nominator and their supporters have not done the proper legwork for the nominations. The repeated rationale of "Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs)" does not apply for many of these organizations. "G8" is pretty much just a list of the G8 countries. This template probably isn't necessary and may just sit at the bottom of a country page. However, there are also many templates here like :Template:African Union that consist of much more than a list of countries and include specific topic articles like Economy of the African Union. Templates like this one don't meet the stated reason for deletion and their inclusion is "overkill."--Bkwillwm (talk) 02:07, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
  • That's because they have been edited after they were nominated. — Lfdder (talk) 09:32, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:G8 nations]] ===

:{{Tfd links|G8 nations}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 10:32, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • keep These are usefull for navigating between articles. I don't see the overkill. Dimadick (talk) 13:58, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep To be honest I don't see anything wrong with these templates, as the matter of fact I always thought they were very useful. Yes I do browse between the G8 countries through that template, why not, I might want to find out more about other member states rather than just the organization.--Avala (talk) 23:34, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete Avala, if someone wants to find out more about this association they would normally visit the relevant article, not look for an obscure navbox buried at the bottom of the page.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 04:47, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • And how do I find about the existence of this organization if not through the articles of member states?--Avala (talk) 01:09, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Through a wikilink in articles of member states, obviously.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 19:15, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Merge and expand merge the {{tl|G8+5}} template into this one and expand with the various G8 topics. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 12:23, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:G20]] ===

:{{Tfd links|G20}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Rather important organization. --Avala (talk) 23:50, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete the importance of the organisation has nothing to do with the usefulness of the navbox.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 04:41, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. Dimadick (talk) 09:47, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:La Francophonie]] ===

:{{Tfd links|La Francophonie}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment This could be used in the 'Foreign relations of XYZ' series of articles, but nowhere else. If kept, it should be with an understanding that it would not be used in country overview articles.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 04:50, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. Dimadick (talk) 09:48, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep expanded to cover the organization's topics -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 10:18, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Organization and Culture part is very useful to have at one place. It is much easier to see all related articles. We can talk if template should include countries.--MirkoS18 (talk) 18:27, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:Member states of the European Union]] ===

:{{Tfd links|Member states of the European Union}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Keep - as the name says, navigational box.--Avala (talk) 19:16, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Neutral. My commments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here] still apply, but this one might be of such value to the national article that it warrants an exception. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep the EU plays a much bigger role in the internal affairs of its member states than any other international organisation; it's involved in culture, the economy, foreign policy, the judiciary. This is the one international navbox I would advise to keep as it is.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:15, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. Dimadick (talk) 09:48, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Merge to {{tl|European Union topics}} (also merge the candidate countries template to {{tl|European Union topics}} ) -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 10:00, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:TAKM]] ===

:{{Tfd links|TAKM}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete the current version. It could be recreated to link to the 'law enforcement in X country' articles, but this version is useless.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 04:52, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. Alternatively it can be merged, it could be merged to Template: "Asia topic|Law enforcement in". Dimadick (talk) 09:54, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment if this is kept, I think it should be called {{tl|TAKM (Organization of the Eurasian Law Enforcement Agencies with Military Status)}} -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 02:57, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:Black Sea Naval Co-operation Task Group]] ===

:{{Tfd links|Black Sea Naval Co-operation Task Group}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Buckshot06 (talk) 23:30, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep If not for the template how would the information on the membership be easily accessible in the member state article?--Avala (talk) 23:48, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete to answer Avala, a link to the main article will be enough.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 04:39, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. Dimadick (talk) 09:55, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:Organization of the Black Sea Economic Cooperation]] ===

:{{Tfd links|Organization of the Black Sea Economic Cooperation}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment: I don't know if this is an important organisation for its member states; if it is, it can be recreated to link to the 'economy of X' articles; if not, it can be deleted outright.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:17, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. Dimadick (talk) 09:55, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:Economic Cooperation Organization]] ===

:{{Tfd links|Economic Cooperation Organization}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment: I don't know if this is an important organisation for its member states; if it is, it can be recreated to link to the 'economy of X' articles; if not, it can be deleted outright.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:17, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. Dimadick (talk) 09:56, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:UN Security Council]] ===

:{{Tfd links|UN Security Council}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Rather important navigational template. Otherwise no one would be able to find out which are the other current member states of the UNSC unless he opened the very UNSC article and without the navigation template it would be hard to find out that the country of the first article is the member of the UNSC in the first place.--Avala (talk) 23:36, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep expanded to cover the power of the security council, like other organizations. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 03:18, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Proposal: keep it, but use it only in the Foreign relations of Russia (and the other four respective articles).--eh bien mon prince (talk) 04:55, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. Though it could use expansion with decisions relevant to the council. Dimadick (talk) 09:57, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Helpful for UN related articles [Soffredo] 20:30, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:Union for the Mediterranean]] ===

:{{Tfd links|Union for the Mediterranean}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete the whole organisation is more dead than alive, a link to the main article is more than enough.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 04:56, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. Dimadick (talk) 09:57, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:Organisation of Islamic Cooperation]] ===

:{{Tfd links|Organisation of Islamic Cooperation}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Rather important organization with many members where any other way of listing the same information would be a waste of space.--Avala (talk) 23:48, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete very large number of countries, it's little better than creating a navbox with all UN member states. Navboxes are supposed to be navigation aids, but this one is more likely to get you lost than help in finding anything.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 04:59, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. As for the comments of Underlying lk, large number of entries points to it being more useful. Tiny templates should probably merged to larger ones. Dimadick (talk) 09:59, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

::Uh, no. "Navigation templates are particularly useful for a small, well-defined group of articles" (WP:NAVBOX). This group is neither small nor well-defined.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 14:15, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

:::Says who? When only a small number of articles are involved, the average user can simply memorize them. Instead of "particularly useful", small would be "nearly useless" and unused. Dimadick (talk) 15:12, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

::::Says a Wikipedia guideline? You have the link, read it.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 15:49, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

:::::And you happen to agree with all the guidelines? They typically express the minority of editors which actually take part in relevant discussions. Dimadick (talk) 15:00, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

::::::You're confusing WP:ESSAYs and WP:GUIDELINEs, which reflect community consensus and you're expected to follow.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 18:16, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:Turkic Council]] ===

:{{Tfd links|Turkic Council}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete overlaps with central Asia with few exceptions, there are few practical purposes for this template.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:01, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. Dimadick (talk) 09:59, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete limited use. Agree with nom. Jason from nyc (talk) 14:54, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:Organization of American States]] ===

:{{Tfd links|Organization of American States}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Important like the EU and AU.--Avala (talk) 23:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep this has been expanded to a standard organziation's navbox that lists more than just members, it also lists organs, etc. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 02:23, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep, but delete the 'members' portion and restrict to navigation between articles about the organisation; remove from all country articles, where it's redundant to Template:Countries of the Americas.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:03, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. I disagree with Underlying lk, any template not listing members is simply useless. Dimadick (talk) 10:00, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:South Atlantic Peace and Cooperation Zone]] ===

:{{Tfd links|South Atlantic Peace and Cooperation Zone}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Buckshot06 (talk) 23:34, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete, the only portion that could be salvaged is the 'Ministerial Meetings' group, but they're all red links for now.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:20, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. Dimadick (talk) 10:01, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:The Commonwealth]] ===

:{{Tfd links|The Commonwealth}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Neutral. My commments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here] still apply, but this one might be of such value to the national article that it warrants an exception. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Rather important group.--Avala (talk) 23:46, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Rename' to template:The Commonwealth of Nations as per the article. Stuartyeates (talk) 02:32, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Significant and well known (albeit not very effective) international grouping of countries. Nick-D (talk) 04:22, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Proposal: keep it, but use it only in the Foreign relations of South Africa (and the other respective articles).--eh bien mon prince (talk) 04:55, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. Dimadick (talk) 10:02, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • ExpandMerge76.65.128.222 (talk) 00:40, 1 September 2013 (UTC) this template to cover the topics of the organization -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 10:19, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Do you mean like this: {{tl|Commonwealth of Nations topics}}? — Lfdder (talk) 14:24, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • That one also needs expansion. Merge the two templates together, and expand the result to cover a few of the missing topics. The better name would be {{tl|Commonwealth of Nations}}, so both would merge and redirect there (and possibly rework into a pair of templates, one footer the other sidebar) -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 00:40, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:States with limited recognition]] ===

:{{Tfd links|States with limited recognition}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Keep Not a valid reason for deletion, it is widely used to describe articles with limited recognition. Not an overkill. TBrandley (T • C • B) 14:28, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Strong keep: This template is a great way to show, at a glance, what areas are attempting to be actual countries. The only thing I would suggest right now is either get rid of the flags or make them smaller (to fit better on the lines and within the box as a whole). Allen (Morriswa) (talk) 16:15, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep per earlier comments.--Avala (talk) 23:37, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep, but restrict it to largely unrecognised countries, remove it from Armenia and China for example.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:10, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognition at a glance. Though relevant information should also be added to the templates dealing with the continents where each state exists. Dimadick (talk) 10:03, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Question: Why have this, when there's also :Category:Unrecognized or largely unrecognized states? -- Hoary (talk) 03:35, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:Major non-NATO ally]] ===

:{{Tfd links|Major non-NATO ally}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment if this is kept, it needs to be renamed, since it is exhibiting US-bias. {{tl|Major non-NATO ally of the United States}} would be proper, otherwise, there's no way of telling why this should not contain all major non-NATO allies any NATO country. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 00:33, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete Not a useful way of grouping these countries: this is a concept in US foreign policy (which provides designated countries with favorable access to military hardware and defence cooperation more generally) which isn't used more broadly. Nick-D (talk) 04:24, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete as too US-centric, it's used in only three articles other than Major non-NATO ally.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:06, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Merge to "Template:Foreign relations of the United States." Useful information but it is only a subset of the wider concept. Dimadick (talk) 10:08, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Merge as suggested by Dimadick. This is encyclopedic information, but it's not appropriate for a template. --Orlady (talk) 00:02, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Merge as per Dimadick. - Chrism would like to hear from you 18:28, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:Community of Democracies]] ===

:{{Tfd links|Community of Democracies}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete not a major international organisation, I don't see where this could be used without being a waste of space.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:07, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. Dimadick (talk) 10:10, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:Community of Sahel-Saharan States]] ===

:{{Tfd links|Community of Sahel-Saharan States}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete or restrict it to the 'foreign relations of X country' series of articles.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:32, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. Dimadick (talk) 10:10, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:D8 nations]] ===

:{{Tfd links|D8 nations}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete this is more of a talking shop than an actual international organisation.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:33, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. Dimadick (talk) 10:10, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:African Union]] ===

:{{Tfd links|African Union}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Since nominating this template for deletion, IP has added the links from Template:Life in the African Union to it. I still think that the (almost) entire list of Africa is unnecessary and will always overlap with {{tl|Countries of Africa}}, so I'm still suggesting to delete this template (and keep the other). — Lfdder (talk) 14:11, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Neutral. My commments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here] still apply, but this one might be of such value to the national article that it warrants an exception. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Rather important group.--Avala (talk) 23:46, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep this has been expanded to a standard organziation's navbox that lists more than just members, it also lists organs, etc. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 02:23, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Proposal: keep it, but use it only in the 'foreign relations of X country' series of articles.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 06:00, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Really? How many of these do we need?
  • {{tl|African Union}}
  • {{tl|Life in the African Union}}
  • {{tl|Politics of the African Union}}
  • {{tl|Politics of the African Union mini}}
  • :— Lfdder (talk) 08:15, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • :* {{tl|Politics of the African Union}} and {{tl|Politics of the African Union mini}} should be merged together. But sidebar and footer templates should exist, so also, merge {{tl|Life in the African Union}} into the merged politics template and rename it to {{tl|African Union sidebar}}. The detailed sidebar would and sparser navbox sould be the two that come out of this. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 09:54, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep but merge the secondary templates listed to Lfdder to it. Important organization, but we don't need four templates for the same subject. Dimadick (talk) 10:12, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:Non-Aligned Movement]] ===

:{{Tfd links|Non-Aligned Movement}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Rather important group.--Avala (talk) 23:45, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete the NAM has not been an important group for the last quarter of century. The number of countries is huge, and the navbox is too large and confusing to assist navigation in any way.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:35, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. Though in this case the organization was mostly relative to Cold War politics and is currently of marginal importance. Perhaps this should be a historical template? Dimadick (talk) 10:15, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Actually the organization is not historical at all, it is very active and its summits are visited by various other countries as they are the best place to communicate with certain more obscure countries but who still have the UN vote.--Avala (talk) 01:14, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Very important group during the Cold War and even today relevant in South–South cooperation/Third World cooperation.--MirkoS18 (talk) 18:15, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
  • This articles also should be included: India and the Non-Aligned Movement, 16th Summit of the Non-Aligned Movement, NAM News Network, Group of 15, Asian–African Conference, Non-Aligned Foreign Ministers Conference, Yugoslavia and the Non-Aligned Movement...--MirkoS18 (talk) 18:20, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
  • I just made a complete reorganization and I think that now there is no reason to delete this template.--MirkoS18 (talk) 19:09, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:Arab League]] ===

:{{Tfd links|Arab League}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Neutral. My commments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here] still apply, but this one might be of such value to the national article that it warrants an exception. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Rather important group.--Avala (talk) 23:45, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Notable regional grouping, and the template also links to a wide variety of subjects directly related to the Arab League, like its charter, flag, headquarters, Arab Parliament, Demographics, History, etc. (many of these have just been added to the template actually). There's also a template on Arab League summits that could be merged into the template. --Al Ameer (talk) 01:22, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep this has been expanded to a standard organziation's navbox that lists more than just members, it also lists organs, etc. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 02:23, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Proposal: keep it, but use it only in the Foreign relations of Lebanon (and the other respective articles).--eh bien mon prince (talk) 04:55, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Sans the country links, this now duplicates {{tl|Life in the Arab League}}. — Lfdder (talk) 08:18, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment the sidebar has a lot more links, which are not appropriate in a navbox format, as it would make it too large. But the sidebar has regions instead of countries as geographic articles linked to. It is how many subjects are split between a very detailed sidebar and a much sparser footer template. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 09:50, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. Dimadick (talk) 10:16, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:BRICS countries]] ===

:{{Tfd links|BRICS countries}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Rather important group.--Avala (talk) 23:45, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete this is more of a talking shop than an actual international organisation.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:33, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. Probably expected to grow in importance. Dimadick (talk) 10:16, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

::Not a valid reason per WP:CRYSTAL, you can't know if it will grow in importance, but we know what it is now: a talking shop.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 14:23, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

:::WP:Crystal reflects article content, not our personal views and not ongoing trends. Dimadick (talk) 15:16, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete. Wikilink to BRICS helps us know and navigate. Overkill. Jason from nyc (talk) 13:19, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:G8+5]] ===

:{{Tfd links|G8+5}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Merge to Template:G8 nations ; the +5 list can link to the +5 article. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 14:55, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Either merge or delete it, depending on the outcome of the Template:G8 nations nomination.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:39, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Merge to Template:G8 nations. A new template just to add five closely related additional states? That is what the column bar in templates is for. Dimadick (talk) 10:19, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:Central European Free Trade Agreement]] ===

:{{Tfd links|Central European Free Trade Agreement}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Rather important for those countries. If not for the template how would the information on the membership in this organization be incorporated in the member state article?--Avala (talk) 23:39, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment: I don't know if this is an important organisation for its member states; if it is, it can be recreated to link to the 'economy of X' articles; if not, it can be deleted outright.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:17, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep but add a column for former members. Several of the original members have left the organization. Dimadick (talk) 10:21, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:European Free Trade Association (EFTA)]] ===

:{{Tfd links|European Free Trade Association (EFTA)}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep per the EU article. Keeping that one and removing this one would be unwise.--Avala (talk) 23:39, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep but restrict it to the Economy of Norway, Economy of Switzerland etc articles, and remove it from country articles.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:41, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep but add a column for former members. It used to be a rather large organization, but there are only 4 members left. Dimadick (talk) 10:22, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:Like Minded Group]] ===

:{{Tfd links|Like Minded Group}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete it's just an informal voting block, not an international association.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:42, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete This isn't an international organization, it is only a voting block. The article itself on the group should be added to Template:United Nations, but the members are irrelevant. Dimadick (talk) 10:26, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete. The defining article is enough (note how brief it is). Doubtful template would be used much. Jason from nyc (talk) 13:21, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:South Pacific Applied Geoscience Commission (SOPAC)]] ===

:{{Tfd links|South Pacific Applied Geoscience Commission (SOPAC)}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:Megadiverse countries]] ===

:{{Tfd links|Megadiverse countries}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep but recreate to link between Wildlife of South Africa etc.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:47, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep but it is somewhat problematic. The relevant article points out that there are two related but not identical definitions of "megadiverse countries". One is the designation used by Conservation International, the other the international organization established in 2002. Both have 17 members, but not the same members. For example Australia is designated a megadiverse country but has not elected to join the organization. Dimadick (talk) 10:40, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete. The defining article can lead one to all the members and understand membership criteria. As there is some difference between designation and formal membership, let the article sort it out and give the reader some idea of differences. Jason from nyc (talk) 13:25, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:GUAM countries]] ===

:{{Tfd links|GUAM countries}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep If not for the template how would the information on the membership in this organization and other member states be incorporated in the member state article?--Avala (talk) 23:44, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • what.... In the text, maybe? "Latvia is an observer of GUAM." Click the link and it takes you to the article where all the countries are listed. Navboxes are for navigation; not for content. — Lfdder (talk) 08:24, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete to answer Avala: a good old-fashioned wikilink.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:48, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. Dimadick (talk) 12:02, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:Ibero-American Summit]] ===

:{{Tfd links|Ibero-American Summit}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Speedy delete as it's used in only one article.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:49, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. As Underlying lk noted, it should be added to more pages. Dimadick (talk) 12:03, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • I noted that it should be speedy deleted, not added to more pages, which would be a disingenuous form of spamming just to keep an otherwise useless template.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 13:53, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • I disagree with the speedy deleted, and that it is used in only one article is an obvious oversight. Not a reason for deletion. Dimadick (talk) 15:17, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:G-3]] ===

:{{Tfd links|G-3}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Speedy delete as it's used only in one article.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:49, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. Though it should be noted that Venezuela left the organization. Dimadick (talk) 12:04, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:Four Asian Tigers]] ===

:{{Tfd links|Four Asian Tigers}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete it's not even an organisation, just a somewhat common nickname for these countries, and then mostly historical.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:51, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for historical reasons. The template is miscategorized however, it is not an international organization. Dimadick (talk) 12:05, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:Baltic Assembly]] ===

:{{Tfd links|Baltic Assembly}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Merge to {{tl|Baltic states}} -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 15:08, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep If not for the template how would the information on the membership in this organization be incorporated in the member state article?--Avala (talk) 23:43, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • This is not a consideration for navboxes. — Lfdder (talk) 08:26, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Just off the top of my head: "Together with [X] and [Y}, [Z] is a member of the Baltic Assembly." -- Hoary (talk) 22:55, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Speedy delete as it's used only in one article.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:49, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete There is nothing to Merge to "Baltic States". There are only 3 Baltic countries and we don't need two templates for overlapping concepts. Dimadick (talk) 12:08, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • This is actually not about the Baltic states but about the organization called Baltic Assembly.--Avala (talk) 01:11, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
  • If it is an issue concerning the same 3 states, why do we need multiple templates about it? It and other relevant concepts can be added to the template about the states. Dimadick (talk) 15:06, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete as pointless clutter. -- Hoary (talk) 22:55, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:Asia–Europe Foundation partners]] ===

:{{Tfd links|Asia–Europe Foundation partners}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete described as 'international non-profit organization', if accurate it doesn't have member states.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:53, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. Dimadick (talk) 12:09, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:Member states of the Arab Maghreb Union]] ===

:{{Tfd links|Member states of the Arab Maghreb Union}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete overlaps with Arab League and North Africa navboxes.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:54, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment This organization is mostly inactive since c. 2005. Dimadick (talk) 12:12, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep history and politic just for that http://www.maghrebarabe.org/fr/ Great11 (talk) 04:46, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom Jason from nyc (talk) 13:32, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:Community of Portuguese Language Countries]] ===

:{{Tfd links|Community of Portuguese Language Countries}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete or restrict it to 'foreign relations of x' articles.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:55, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. Dimadick (talk) 12:12, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:SAFTA]] ===

:{{Tfd links|SAFTA}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep the template correctly links articles about the economy rather than the country overview.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:57, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. Dimadick (talk) 12:13, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment if this is kept, it should be renamed to {{tl|South Asian Free Trade Area}} -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 02:26, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Merge to {{tl|South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation}} as a suborgan of that organization -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 02:26, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:SACU]] ===

:{{Tfd links|SACU}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Merge with Template:Southern African Development Community.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 05:58, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. Though this is a customs union, not really a wide-reaching organization. Dimadick (talk) 12:17, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment if this is kept, it should be renamed to {{tl|Southern African Customs Union}} -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 02:14, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Merge to {{tl|Southern African Development Community}} as the predecessor to the SADC FTA -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 02:21, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:Nordic Council]] ===

:{{Tfd links|Nordic Council}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Merge with {{tl|West Nordic Council}} into {{tl|Nordic Countries}} -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 01:36, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete or restrict it to 'foreign relations of x' articles.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 06:02, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. Dimadick (talk) 12:18, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep I find it useful. EileenSanda (talk) 06:47, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete. Just a list of countries and is already listed in the defining article. What does it add? Jason from nyc (talk) 13:31, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:West Nordic Council]] ===

:{{Tfd links|West Nordic Council}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Merge with {{tl|Nordic Council}} into {{tl|Nordic Countries}} -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 01:36, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete or restrict it to 'foreign relations of x' articles. If kept, merge it with Nordic Council template.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 06:02, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment This is not an organization involving the states and their wider activities. It is merely a cooperation forum between their Parliaments, and there are annual meetings involving six Members of Parliament from each member state. Dimadick (talk) 12:23, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep or Change to a template for the children's bookprize West Nordic Council's Children and Youth Literature Prize which the West Nordic Council founded in 2002. If we change it to become a template for the literary prize it could be used on the prize winner's pages. These three countries have a very small population: Faroe Islands: 50.000, Greenland: 60.000 and Iceland: 321.000. The Faroes and Greenland are not soverign states but self-governing countries/regions in the Danish Realm (the Danish State/the Danish Kingdom). The Faroe Islands and Greenland are not fully members of the Nordic Council, only associated members. Having their own language and own culture these small nations have interests together with Iceland, whis geographically is in the same region, in the noth-west Atlantic Ocean.EileenSanda (talk) 06:38, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:Dutch Language Union]] ===

:{{Tfd links|Dutch Language Union}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Keep. What overkill???
  • Since splitting them all what I meant with overkill is not obvious anymore. Read above. There's also other arguments against keeping these; there's nothing or very little about the Dutch Language Union in the articles it links to. See also the discussion here. — Lfdder (talk) 14:38, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete or restrict it to 'foreign relations of x' articles.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 06:03, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. Dimadick (talk) 12:24, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete. per nom Jason from nyc (talk) 13:29, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:Eurasian Economic Community (EURASEC)]] ===

:{{Tfd links|Eurasian Economic Community (EURASEC)}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete or restrict it to 'economy of x' articles.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 06:03, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Weak keep The organization is important, but all of its members and its observers are also part of the closely-related Commonwealth of Independent States. I am not certain if these two should have separate templates or should instead share a template. Dimadick (talk) 12:30, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Merge to {{tl|Commonwealth of Independent States}} as it seems like a suborgan/subagreement? -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 02:10, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:Cairns Group member countries]] ===

:{{Tfd links|Cairns Group member countries}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per my comments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here]. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Speedy delete used only in one article.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 04:44, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. In this case it could probably link to articles on the agriculture of these countries. The Cairn Group is basically an alliance of states for matters dealing with their agricultural exports. Dimadick (talk) 12:35, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete While the Cairns Group is a useful body, this isn't a notable way of grouping these countries. Nick-D (talk) 08:52, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

=== [[Template:Commonwealth of Independent States]] ===

:{{Tfd links|Commonwealth of Independent States}}

Navboxes that only link to countries (and sometimes to other international orgs). Overkill. — Lfdder (talk) 13:47, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

::...and {{tl|United States political divisions}} only links to states... by this measure most of the navboxes would have to go. Can't support until a sane rationale for deleting this template is provided. Oppose.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 30, 2013; 16:25 (UTC)

:::The issue is that there are about a hundred of these navboxes that link between countries, and half a dozen of them (at least) in every country page. The solution (IMO) would be to carefully pick a select few, move others to subpages (like Foreign relations of Russia) and delete the rest.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 06:23, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Oppose I'm not aware of any other way to classify members of this Commonwealth. USchick (talk) 17:21, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Neutral leaning delete. My commments [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATemplates_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_August_30&diff=570853985&oldid=570848668 here] still apply, but this one might be of such value to the national article that it warrants an exception. Resolute 20:14, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep If not for the template how would the information on the membership in this organization and other member states be incorporated in the member state article?--Avala (talk) 23:40, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep. This is a major organization, and a major way to categorize nations. So this one is actually helpful as a navbox. -LtNOWIS (talk) 02:13, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Proposal: keep it, but use it only in the Foreign relations of Russia (and the other respective articles).--eh bien mon prince (talk) 06:05, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep expanded to an organization navigation template -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 08:43, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Changing vote to keep but remove country links/remove from country articles. — Lfdder (talk) 08:48, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful for recognizing the members and navigating between their articles. Dimadick (talk) 12:35, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

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==[[Template:PlayStation 2 nav box]]==

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:24, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

:{{Tfd links|PlayStation 2 nav box}}

Duplicates Template:PlayStation substantially. Izno (talk) 00:56, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

:Keep. Template:PlayStation provides different functionality. Template:PlayStation is intended for use at the bottom of the article, out of the way of content. Meanwhile, Template:PlayStation 2 nav box is a table of contents that neatly fits below the infobox. Template:PlayStation doesn't contain the PS2-specific information in an easily readable format; one need parse through its many lines to find relevant information. Different purposes so I feel both should be kept. CaseyPenk (talk) 05:56, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

  • delete, duplicate navigation. Frietjes (talk) 17:06, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:08, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

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== [[Template:Infobox cargo spacecraft]] ==

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 04:22, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

:{{Tfd links|Infobox cargo spacecraft}}

Deprecated and now with no transclusions Magioladitis (talk) 00:59, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Keep. While the template is no longer in use, deleting it would cause severe issues with past revisions of articles which embedded it. There's no real "need" to delete it other than the fact it is no longer being used, I don't believe that making the template space a tiny bit tidier justifies the damage to a large number of page histories. --W. D. Graham 01:30, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

::Unfortunately, we can't keep everything. Do you have some examples of historical articles that are still in usage, or that are otherwise especially important to preserve? -PC-XT+ 07:25, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

::Per instructions of what to delete:

::*The template is redundant to a better-designed template. It is

::*The template is not used, either directly or by template substitution (the latter cannot be concluded from the absence of backlinks), and has no likelihood of being used. It is not used and i won't be used

:: -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:32, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

:::WP:NOTPAPER would seem to apply, but I'll go with the consensus. --W. D. Graham 20:57, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

  • delete, no need to keep old templates around forever just to be able to view the infobox in an old version of the article. if you want to keep some historical versions of pages, you can export them to PDF, or HTML, and save them that way. that's really the only way to guarantee that the page is as you viewed it in the past. Frietjes (talk) 17:25, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete as redundant; and per all the above. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:11, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

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