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May 10
May 9
== RD: Peter Morwood ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Peter Morwood
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = https://locusmag.com/2025/05/peter-morwood-1956-2025/
| updated = yes
| nominator = Tacticnerd
| nom cmt = Prolific fantasy novelist and screenwriter.
| sign = Tacticnerd (talk) 19:43, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
== RD: Douglas Gibson ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Douglas Gibson (politician)
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = https://www.enca.com/news-top-stories/da-veteran-douglas-gibson-dies-aged-82
| updated = yes
| nominator = Lefcentreright
| nom cmt = South African lawyer, politician and diplomat. Died today.
| sign = Lefcentreright Discuss 16:40, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
==RD: David Souter==
{{ITN candidate
| article = David Souter
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/09/us/david-souter-dead.html NYT]
| updated = yes
| nominator = P1
| updaters =
| nom cmt = US Supreme Court Justice
| sign = P1(she/her, talk/contribs) 13:21, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
- Support No CNs or maintenance tags; has been reported by NPR and the NYT. pbp 16:00, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article is in good shape, no CNs and definitely more than adequate length. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 01:09, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support, hopefully will be added soon. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:12, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support per above supports, ready to post. Jusdafax (talk) 01:35, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
May 8
== RD: Chet Lemon ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Chet Lemon
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://www.mlb.com/news/chet-lemon-dies MLB.com]
| updated = yes
| nominator = 240F:7A:6253:1:9089:B7AD:40C0:453D
| updaters = Cbl62
| nom cmt = American baseball player and 1984 World Series champion.
| sign = 240F:7A:6253:1:9089:B7AD:40C0:453D (talk) 05:35, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
== (Posted) Papal conclave concludes ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = 2025 papal conclave
| blurb = Cardinals elect Pope Leo XIV.
| altblurb = Robert Francis Prevost of the United States is elected as Pope Leo XIV.
| altblurb2 = White smoke emerges from the Sistine Chapel indicating the election of a new pope of the Catholic Church.
| altblurb3 = Robert Francis Prevost of the United States is elected as Pope Leo XIV, becoming the first North American pope of the Catholic Church.
| altblurb4 = Pope Leo XIV is elected as the pope in the 2025 papal conclave
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing = no
| ITNR = yes
| sources = [https://www.nbcnews.com/world/the-vatican/live-blog/conclave-2025-live-updates-rcna205525 NBC]
| image = Future Pope Leo XIV in 2012 headshot.jpg
| caption = Leo XIV
| updated =
| nominator = EF5
| creator =
| updaters =
| nom cmt = Pope has been elected! Will probably be announced soon today, so nominating now.
| sign = EF5 16:26, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
:Oppose and strong close as premature - re-open when the new pope is announced. Departure– (talk) 16:31, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
::“Premature”? The election’s over. EF5 16:32, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:::There isn't a clear winner, though. That's my point. Unless the blurb is "Cardinals conclude the papal conclave" or some variant an election with obvious unknown results shouldn't be nominated. Departure– (talk) 16:34, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Give it an hour. EF5 16:36, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::The election of a pope is newsworthy of itself; can always update the blurb when the name is announced. ✨ 4 🧚♂am KING 16:38, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
::::::The election isn't newsworthy. The result is. HiLo48 (talk) 00:10, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
:::We need to know who and the quality of the article by then. This is ITNR and dependent on article quality. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:36, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Yes, which is within the next hour. I'm invoking WP:IAR by nominating this now, as there is a 100% chance it'll be posted. — EF5 16:38, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
::Departure–, pope has been announced. Was betting on "John", but I guess he took "Leo". — EF5 17:19, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support once we know who was elected and the name taken. I would have the blurb mention both the papal name and the personal name of the one elected. Gust Justice (talk) 16:32, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:Wait until the new Pope is formally presented at St. Peter's and given his name. — That Coptic Guyping me! (talk) (contribs) 16:33, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:Keep open It's probably being announced within the hour. Sincerely, Dilettante 16:34, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
::Pope Leoe XIV has been announced but wait until article is updated. Sincerely, Dilettante 17:17, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:Wait Simply saying they have elected a pope isn't a worthy article to post, wait until they announce who the new pope is Egg470 (talk) 16:35, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Wait and post when announced. This is ITNR (change in most relevant head of state/government) and the quality is fine. With white smoke up we should know shortly and we can add the details. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 16:39, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support within an hour, the new pope will be announced. So, please keep the blurb nomination open in order to update the blurb once the name is announced. I also agree that this is ITNR so we should update the blurb according to how ITNR guideline does. 103.111.102.118 (talk) 16:40, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
Wait Everyone is really gunning to get this on the front page. The pope hasn't been announced, but he will be within the hour. No reason to rush things, obviously whether to post it won't be controversial.Support alt 3 There we go. Estreyeria (talk) 16:50, 8 May 2025 (UTC)- Comment Why the rush to nominate? I think everyone recognizes that we aren't going to post this until we have the actual name of the new pope. Mlb96 (talk) 16:52, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Well, he's going to be announced in the next hour, no? Per above, I invoked WP:IAR given this will 100% be posted regardless today. — EF5 16:55, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- {{small|Bet it wasn't Snoop Dog after all.... Martinevans123 (talk) 16:59, 8 May 2025 (UTC)}}
- :Snoop on the… chair of popeiness? Doesn't sound as good as [https://www.snoopermarket.com/products/limited-edition-30-year-doggystyle-anniversary-snoop-on-the-stoop?srsltid=AfmBOopCIasaBMirYkHvKXVIGT8M9FYxeTWhjK9mHiey3B0WqJbHWyoS Snoop on a Stoop], but I'l take it. EF5 17:02, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Wait, like seriously. The entirety of ITN really wants to get this on the front page lmao, but please wait atleast until we have an official name. TwistedAxe [contact] 17:01, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Wait and close this pointlessly premature nomination. We are an encyclopaedia, not a breaking news service. Even once the winner has been announced, their biographical article needs to be updated and brought up to a good enough standard to be bold-linked from the main page. That work hasn't even begun yet. Nominations should not be made until after the event has happened and the article has been updated. Modest Genius talk 17:05, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- :usually with an election the article on the election is the bold-linked one, which in this case would be the article on the conclave. ✨ 4 🧚♂am KING 17:13, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Wait: Hold your horses. We don't even have a name to report on. When his identity is known, let's totally put it up. BOTTO (T•C) 17:16, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- UPDATE: The new Pope is elected. The new pope is Robert Francis Prevost (Leo XIV). 103.111.102.118 (talk) 17:18, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support Alt 2 we know who pope is now! Leo XIV! Scuba 17:17, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Wait a tiny bit. We need more information about Leo in the article and media commentary before posting. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:19, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- : Make that more than a tiny bit. Friends, the purpose of ITN is to showcase quality articles, not get things out fast, and there's very little analysis and context for this result right now. In fact, when I made the above comment, there was a glaring typo in the conclave article and the new pope's article was not updated at all. Please check the quality of the articles. And until this edit is published, the best blurbs weren't even bolded. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:29, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- :Oppose: Currently, the new pope's article is in no state of posting. There's formatting issues, duplicating sections, and accidental mass reversions from edit conflicts, and I've edit conflicted four times in a row now trying to fix that and failing to. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:44, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support He is Pope now. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:18, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support: Now pope. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 17:18, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Weak oppose - two CN tags. Departure– (talk) 17:20, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- :Make that a strong oppose - Pope Leo XIV lacks a lot of comprehensiveness for this to be on the main page. Departure– (talk) 17:22, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::Maintaining my oppose for now - I still don't think the article on Leo XIV is up to quality or otherwise properly updated. Departure– (talk) 17:43, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- :{{done}} Fixed. — EF5 17:22, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support Pope Leo XIV is the new Pope and that is newsworthy. --Plumber (talk) 17:23, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:support I mean, it's the pope. Not much to say here. Gaismagorm (talk) 17:25, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support AltBlurb 1 as he is now officially the new pope. 2605:8D80:4A1:F2A1:B033:98FF:B621:1DA0 (talk) 17:27, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support Altblurb 1 Election of a new pope is globally important, so it should be a no-brainer. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 17:28, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
::This is ITNR. The only thing that matters is the quality of the articles. It's been predetermined this us important. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:30, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:EXTREMELY STRONG SUPPORT This should be put up immediately. 69.245.20.79 (talk) 17:33, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
::Items need not be put up immediately and quality is a key point of ITN entries appearing on the main page. Departure– (talk) 17:47, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support, the article looks decent enough now. The blurb should mention Peru where he was active for long periods, instead of a narrow North American image. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:36, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support - article doesn't look too bad for a start, and high-profile election with significant coverage. Master of Time (talk) 17:37, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - this was the wording of the blurb for the last pope in case it's useful:
- Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Argentina (pictured) is elected as Pope Francis, becoming the first Latin American pope of the Catholic Church. - Fuzheado | Talk 17:36, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- :Looks like alt3 is the equivalent, I would support it. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:37, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::Yeah I based altblurb3 on this. Gust Justice (talk) 18:04, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support. And choosing Alternate Blurb III. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 17:40, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:*Support AltBlurb 3 This is closest to the last blurb when Pope Francis was elected NewishIdeas (talk) 17:40, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
::Support but his name is spelled wrong in the current blurb. Robert Francis Prevost, not Provost Big Paulie (talk) 17:50, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Super strong support alt3 ArionStar (talk) 17:42, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support but I’d agree Peru deserves a mention since he is a dual national. Jusdafax (talk) 17:42, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Posted. Sandstein 17:46, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support Despite the page for Pope Leo XIV updating quickly, it's good enough to support. This is a major historical event. Bremps... 17:45, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support Vicar of Christ{{nbsp}}... or Lord of the World? Fortuna, Imperatrix Mundi 17:47, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support Prefer one or four. GMGtalk 17:48, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support per everyone 2606:9400:98A0:92A0:41D7:E0E4:C05E:81AD (talk) 17:50, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:I've raised a few concerns about this current blurb at WP:ERRORS - discussion on these errors and other, related issues continues there. Departure– (talk) 17:52, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support adding an image. History6042😊 (Contact me) 19:50, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:Comment per discussion as WP:ERRORS, I switched this to "United States-born" per the overwhelming coverage in the news focusing on his birth country and not his birth continent. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 19:57, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:*"United States-born" is so awkward. Why not just "American-born"? We are an English encyclopedia after all. Or if we're going to be real sticklers about it (despite the fact that in English, "American" means "From the US"), then "US-born" works too. There's really little doubt anyone reading the front page is not going to know what the US is. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 20:59, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:*:I already added this at WP:ERRORS, but I agree and much prefer "born in the United States" as opposed to "United States-born". FlipandFlopped ㋡ 21:48, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I strongly agree. There is just no need for a cumbersome compound adjective there. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:00, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:::: Already changed by King of Hearts, 21:30, 8 May 2025. Natg 19 (talk) 22:08, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Post-posting Support Massive international news, however are we going to consider his ties to Peru in the blurb? He was Archbishop in Peru afterall. Normalman101 (talk) (late signature)
- :End with "of American and Peruvian nationality" Bremps... 23:36, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment. Why "United States-born"? Since it's bigger, the focus should be on North America. I think "overwhelming coverage in the news focusing on his birth country" is unconvincing - most of the "overwhelming coverage" in question is American. We are an encyclopedia, not an echo of editorials. —Brigade Piron (talk) 22:00, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- :BBC, Al Jazeera, dawn.com (hard to see but its there!) all have on their front page that Leo is the first US pope. I wouldn't be opposed to also adding Bishop of Chiclayo, Peru or somethign to that effect QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 22:21, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- :American....and [https://www.bbc.com/ British], [https://www.cbc.ca/news Canadian], [https://www.abc.net.au/news Australian], [https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/new-pope-elected-white-smoke-from-sistine-chapel/article69554490.ece Indian], [https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/560395/live-us-born-cardinal-robert-prevost-named-as-pope-leo-xiv New Zealander], [https://www.irishtimes.com/ Irish], [https://guardian.ng/news/american-prevost-leo-xiv-elected-pope-appears-on-st-peters-basilica-balcony/#google_vignette Nigerian], [https://www.lemonde.fr/?preferred_lang=fr French], [https://www.reforma.com/ Mexican], etc. DecafPotato (talk) 22:25, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::I agree that 'North America' should be preferred in the blurb. If you take a deeper look at the sources, even though 'American' is mentioned in the titles, first pope born in/from 'North America' is in the text (e.g. [The Washington Post]). There are also reliable sources that use 'North American' (e.g. [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/05/08/robert-prevost-new-pope-conclave/ The Telepgraph]). If we want to underline that he's the first in a geographical context, we should always refer to a wider geographical area, which in this case is North America. Another option is to simply remove that fact from the blurb as redundant. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:48, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::> we should always refer to a wider geographical area
- :::Disagree, why should we? We should do what the reliable sources say. Most reliable sources linked say US or American, not North American. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 11:59, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::::Being the first from a continent is more significant than being the first from a country on that continent.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:28, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: This image may work better for the occasion: :File:Pope Leo XIV on the loggia (cropped).jpg ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 12:06, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- :Not 100% sure if a twitter thread is acceptable for use to presume a free license. Masem (t) 12:09, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::The owner of the media outlet explicit gives CC-BY-SA 4.0 permission in the thread. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 12:10, 9 May 2025 (UTC) thumb
- :::Firstly, I'm not sure he does release it, he says "that's with jdflynn", perhaps that's the true copyright holder of the work? Secondly, I think for the licence to be valid the copyright holder should release it somewhere formally with that licence (e.g. Commons or Flickr), or file a Commons:OTRS ticket to the effect that he's releasing it. I wouldn't put on the main page until that's done. — Amakuru (talk) 14:17, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::{{ping|Amakuru}} The parent image, :File:Pope Leo XIV on the loggia.jpg, has been verified at VRT. I would now suggest :File:Pope Leo XIV 2.jpg as it's a bit more cropped in. File:Pope Leo XIV 2.jpg ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 17:52, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::: Whatever the license, the current image shows much more face. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:13, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment. Can we bolden the pope's name at this point. The article is much improved. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 17:56, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- :No. We typically don’t bolden links to articles of elected heads of state.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:09, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::{{tqb|Friedrich Merz is elected Chancellor of Germany and sworn in alongside his coalition government.}}Indeed, Merz is not head of state but head of government, but the Pope is also head of government as well. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:34, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- :: I'd also prefer the bold link to the person rather than the election process, parallel to Merz, - there are many more Catholics on earth than Germans ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:13, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::Seconded. I think, especially with the Pope, the man is more noteworthy than the process. DarkSide830 (talk) 21:19, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::For what it's worth, the blurb for Pope Francis at the time had elected as non-bold and Pope Francis as bold. - Fuzheado | Talk 23:04, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Should use this photo TheLoyalOrder (talk) 22:05, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::File:Cardinal Robert F. Prevost at the Consistory on 30 September 2023 (cropped portrait).jpg TheLoyalOrder (talk) 22:06, 9 May 2025 (UTC) File:Cardinal Robert F. Prevost at the Consistory on 30 September 2023 (cropped portrait).jpg
{{clear}}
May 7
== (Closed) Ongoing: 2025 papal conclave ==
{{atop
| result = Editors disagree that this is "unprecedented". Schwede66 23:21, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
{{ITN candidate
| article = 2025 papal conclave
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing = add
| ITNR = no
| sources =
| updated =
| nominator = Abcmaxx
| creator =
| updaters =
| nom cmt = Unprecedented process so not the usual electoral nomination, top news worldwide will likely last a few days.
| sign = Abcmaxx (talk) 21:27, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
- Oppose - This is like posting the US election on polling day and removing it the next. Could be over tomorrow for all we know. EF5 21:39, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Wait - Wait until a pope is chosen, then post the results Egg470 (talk) 21:40, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose a similar nomination was closed a few days ago. This is not an unprecedented process - there was a conclave 12 years ago when Francis became pope. Natg 19 (talk) 21:42, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
::Not a regular occurrence though is it? Especially as the last one was 12 years ago. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:15, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I would agree that it is not "regular" (every 4 years etc), but unprecedented is incorrect. Natg 19 (talk) 22:36, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Question What makes this papal conclave "unprecedented"? Cambalachero (talk) 22:17, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
::Maybe the fact that it is happening in the extremely digitalised world of messengers, smartphones, so that it can be followed live, but I am also interested in the answer. BilboBeggins (talk) 22:29, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Well, Francis’ was also in the digitized age. 2013 wasn’t the caveman era! EF5 22:32, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose since the bulk takes place behind closed doors, the only reporting we can do is "nope, wasn't selected today". The selection will very likely be a good standalone itnc, but the process is not. Masem (t) 22:28, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Instead of nominating "Ongoing" event of Papal conclave, i will rather agree for nominate a blurb about the result of the conclave (which is similar to how ITNR does). The result of the conclave will be declared either on May 8 or 9, depending of white smoke from Vatican's chimney. 103.111.102.118 (talk) 22:48, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
:Oppose this was nominated yesterday (and failed), we also don't post elections to ongoing. Aydoh8[what have I done now?] 23:09, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
{{abot}}
May 6
== RD: Joseph Nye ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Joseph Nye
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://asia.nikkei.com/Life-Arts/Obituaries/Joseph-Nye-Harvard-scholar-who-coined-soft-power-dies-at-88 Nikkei Asia], [https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/5/8/joseph-nye-dies/ The Harvard Crimson]
| updated = yes
| nominator = 240F:7A:6253:1:DD5F:9F93:4BE7:236D
| updaters = TDKR Chicago 101
| nom cmt =
| sign = 240F:7A:6253:1:DD5F:9F93:4BE7:236D (talk) 05:57, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
:Support missing some citations but overall seems comprehensive enough, and doesn't have any glaring flaws V. L. Mastikosa (talk) 07:33, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
:Comment I've tried to clean up the bibliography section with verifiable posts, and added a more extensive bibliography in the external links section. Yakikaki (talk) 19:01, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
== (Closed) Ongoing: 2025 India–Pakistan standoff (again) ==
{{Atop|This was recently discussed. I/P is posted now and ongoing in that context can be discussed when appropriate. Stephen 02:08, 7 May 2025 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article = 2025 India–Pakistan standoff
| image =
| blurb =
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing = add
| ITNR = no
| altblurb =
| altblurb2 =
| sources =
| updated =
| nominator = ArionStar
| creator =
| updaters =
| nom cmt = Mainly due to the 2025 Indian missile strike on Pakistan.
| sign = ArionStar (talk) 23:27, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
- Oppose at this time We clearly should post the recent strikes, and then if there's continued hostilities, then move to ongoing. We shouldn't bypass a blurb for this. Masem (t) 00:06, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- :Same argument as the last discussion: if it continues, if it continues… The crisis is going on! ArionStar (talk) 00:30, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose if a full-scale war breaks out, we could consider posting it for ongoing, but right now it's 'only' missile strikes and plane shootdowns, besides which it's already covered by the ITN item just below. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 01:46, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
{{abot}}
== (Pulled) Indian missile strikes on Pakistan ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = 2025 India–Pakistan strikes
| article2 =
| image =
| blurb = India launches missile strikes on multiple cities in Pakistan.
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing = no
| ITNR = no
| altblurb = Pakistan retaliates after Indian missile strikes.
| altblurb2 = Pakistan retaliates with missile strikes after India strikes several cities in Pakistan.
| sources = [https://tribune.com.pk/story/2544343/indian-missile-strikes-hit-muzaffarabad-kotli-and-bahawalpur-amid-escalating-tensions tribune.com.pk] [https://news.sky.com/story/pakistan-attacked-with-missiles-as-india-says-it-targeted-terrorist-camps-13362775 Sky News]
| updated =
| nominator = Chaotic Enby
| creator = Chaotic Enby
| updaters = Hectordej7544
| nom cmt = Developing story, currently updating it.
| sign = Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 20:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
:Wait on notability (likely will roll to support at some point). Strong oppose on quality. As you say, it's a developing story. Departure– (talk) 20:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Per the sources, all flights at New Islamabad International Airport are suspended, the strikes resulted in one death and two injuries. Pakistan's air force is mobilized, and their defense minister claims an escalation of conflict is imminent. India claims strikes were targeted at some variant of terrorist sites in Jammu and Kashmir region. The limited scope should be specified in the blurb. Departure– (talk) 20:46, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Departure–}} article has been expanded. Natg 19 (talk) 21:14, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support Major escalation between two nuclear powers but Oppose on quality as of now edit: it Appears to be in good quality now but some of it reads like a bit much like AI LLM Von bismarck (talk) 20:46, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Agree with that last point, I did put the {{tl|ai-generated}} banner, but it has been removed without explanation. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:22, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support Notable development between two nuclear-armed neighbors, article is now in sufficient quality to be posted on the Main Page (thank you to the editors who quickly did this!) Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 21:03, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support This has become a major escalation, especially now that Pakistan vowed to retaliate. Article looks to be of fine quality now. PrimalMustelid (talk) 21:44, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support, article could do with more improvement though. Nowhere does the article say cities were targeted, maybe {{tq|on multiple sites in Pakistan, claimed to be "terrorist infrastructure"}}. The response can be added to the blurb when it happens, worth starting an ongoing nomination if this goes beyond the two exchanges. Kowal2701 (talk) 21:45, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::The article was in a state of flux, but now it does look like it is mentioning the cities that have been targeted (Muzaffarabad, Kotli, Bahawalpur and Muridke). Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:21, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Edit: Apparently, Muridke isn't mentioned in the sources at all, I have removed it. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:29, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability and note I would also recommend nominating this for ongoing if tensions are still high and further retaliatory attacks unfolding by the time blurb rolls off. Neutral on quality, agree with above that the article could be further improved but it has been rapidly expanded so far. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 21:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support Major news and escalation. Setarip (talk) 22:02, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support per above. ArkHyena (they/any) 22:20, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Strong support oh god, here we go again... Chorchapu (talk | edits) 22:44, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- :Strong oppose on quality of the second article - can we please nominate after the article is more than three sentences long? EF5 23:01, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::{{yo|EF5}} The original blurb choice doesn't include the second article, only the alt-blurbs do. Left guide (talk) 23:09, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::Sure, but then why is it also nommed? If you nominate two articles, you have to keep both up to quality. The Kashmir article is also nommed, so in my view it should be up to par. EF5 23:11, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::That article is only about Pakistan shooting down three Indian aircraft. Not sure it is even necessary to have it as a separate article, and certainly not the main story for ITN. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:10, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support, no question on notability. BilboBeggins (talk) 23:02, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Support Obviously. ArionStar (talk) 23:29, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support as well. Sahaib (talk) 23:34, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support as obvious. Dramatic escalation between two nuclear-armed states, and unlike Iran-Israel there’s the grim possibility of a direct land war as well. The Kip (contribs) 23:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Having two separate articles for what is clearly one connected event doesn't make any sense. These should be merged before we post. Masem (t) 00:04, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support as obvious. Support merge. Jusdafax (talk) 00:14, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- I've merged the new Pakistani article into the main one and then moved the page to 2025 India–Pakistan strikes. I'll look into posting now. Schwede66 01:33, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Posted ALT1. Schwede66 01:39, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- I dislike the current blurb, which gives undue weight to the Pakistani retaliation without expanding on it at all via an article. Suggest moving it to the end (e.g. "..., leading to Pakistani retaliation), or linking the newly-created 2025 Pakistani strikes in Kashmir (which is of dubious quality and may be merged into the former article in the future). DatGuyTalkContribs 02:00, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- :I second this. There is more emphasis on the Pakistani response than the original strikes. History6042😊 (Contact me) 02:28, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- {{yo|Schwede66}} I don't see any consensus or support for ALT1, and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates&oldid=1289171805#Indian_missile_strikes_on_Pakistan there were seven support !votes (plus the nom) before any alt-blurbs were proposed]. Can you please consider modifying to the original blurb in light of concerns raised above? Left guide (talk) 02:37, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- :Agreed, Alt1 also feels the worst to me to read, as if it's very obviously missing information, where Alt2, and the original do not (despite the lattler fully omitting Pakistan's respone) V. L. Mastikosa (talk) 03:02, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support Alt2, the first blurb doesn't inlcude any details regarding Pakistans response, while Alt1 leaves out how Pakistan responded, and overall feels rough V. L. Mastikosa (talk) 02:54, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Blurb modified ALT1 didn't feel quite right but it's obvious – Pakistan's retaliation should have been mentioned last. I've reworded it. Thanks for your feedback, and if there are further improvements, please debate them. Schwede66 03:36, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- :ALT1 seems too short, and I've replaced it with ALT2 as per the comments above. - Fuzheado | Talk 03:55, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::There is currently a requested merge being discussed between the two articles in Alt2. Soni (talk) 06:49, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Post-posting support on notability but oppose having 2025 Pakistani strikes in Kashmir as the bold link. That's just two paragraphs, barely more than a stub, only discusses the Pakistani retaliation, and is currently nominated for both deletion and merging. 2025 India–Pakistan strikes is in much better shape and gives a more balanced coverage of the attacks by both sides. Modest Genius talk 09:31, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- :I have closed the merge discussion with WP:SNOWing consensus to merge. @Fuzheado , @Schwede66 or another admin should consider unlinking the page. I believe the redirect is no longer appropriate to keep on the Main Page. Soni (talk) 12:19, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::Update - According to WP:ERRORS the blurb was already adjusted. Soni (talk) 12:34, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::Yes, I was about to come here to say the same. The rewrite by @Amakuru took care of this. - Fuzheado | Talk 12:36, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::::Post-posting oppose Bad writing: the country Pakistan is mentioned three times, unnecessarily. ArionStar (talk) 12:39, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::::"Bad writing" is a bit of a gratuitous insult... How would you phrase it differently then? I was aware of this issue, but the problem I had in phrasing it is that some of the cities are internationally-recognised Pakistani while others are only in the Pakistani-controlled areas, it's hard to phrase that neutrally without a bit of repetition. And the third mention is to clarify that Pakistan retaliated. This was labelled "a good rewrite" at WP:ERRORS too. — Amakuru (talk) 12:47, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::::::Amakuru, how about "India conducts missile strikes on several areas in Pakistan, prompting the country to retaliate with strikes of its own"? The "bad writing" was completely unnecessary, I agree, but I do understand the point Arion got across. — EF5 12:51, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::::::Ah well, {{u|Sandstein}} has now condensed it down to {{xt|"India conducts missile strikes on Pakistani targets, and Pakistan retaliates"}}. Still has a repetition of Pakistan, but I'm not sure the country works since there are two countries mentioned. — Amakuru (talk) 13:10, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::::::::..and faced retaliation in return? – robertsky (talk) 13:28, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::::::::Saying escrita ruim (maybe because the adjective comes after the noun) doesn't sound as an insult in Portuguese, but I don't knew it is rude in English, sorry… ArionStar (talk) 14:07, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::::::::"India conducts missile strikes on several Pakistani and Pakistani-controlled cities, with the latter reciprocally retaliating." ArionStar (talk) 14:14, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::::::::Why not some variant of "India and Pakistan exchange missile strikes following the Pahalgam attack in Indian Kashmir"? The Pahalgam attack being the root cause of this, to me, seems like a major part of this. Departure– (talk) 14:18, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::::::::That could also work. {{tq|India and Pakistan exchange missile strikes following the Pahalgam attack in Indian-held Kashmir.}} The only issue is that it might give the impression that the Pahalgam attack is also part of "the news", but having it be unbolded and preceded by "the" should make it clear enough. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:22, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::::::::::I believe this is the clearest blurb we have proposed. Pahalgam attack is clearly valuable context for this, and there's nearly no repetition here. I am also open to Enby's Alt4 below being modified Soni (talk) 17:18, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::::::::{{tq|India conducts missile strikes in Punjab and Pakistani-held Kashmir, prompting retaliation from Pakistan.}}{{pb}}The repetition is less obvious, and the targets are more explicit. We could also mention that Pakistan's retaliation occurred in Punjab, India and Indian-held Kashmir, but that would be even more repetitive. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:19, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- :FYI, the article was moved to 2025 India–Pakistan conflict by @Ecrusized, and I have adjusted the link accordingly. A baby trout for moving it unilaterally, but the title is more accurate. The blurb could still use work. - Fuzheado | Talk 14:31, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::And just like that, move was reverted and a move discussion is ongoing. - Fuzheado | Talk 15:25, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - I'm surprised this is so for quick. We already posted the first attack by "Pakistan" into Kashmir, right? This is just routine tit-for-tat showmanship. Did we report on the Iranian missile attacks on Pakistan and the resulting Pakistan missile attacks on Iran last year? Nfitz (talk) 00:09, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- :It is very contentious whether the terrorist group represents Pakistan, and this attack is the first one in this saga in which India the state unquestionably used weapons on Pakistan territory. Aaron Liu (talk) 14:17, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - this item has been pulled for the time being, per discussion at WP:ERRRORS, it is orange tagged and seemingly unstable with possible POV pushing. If the issues are sorted out it can be reinstated. — Amakuru (talk) 14:10, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - I'm confused as to why this got pulled without an immediate replacement. It's clearly the most notable world event of the week even if it doesn't escalate further. Can we not just come up with a simple NPOV sentence about the skirmish that mirrors whatever reputable news outlets are calling it? --Posted by Pikamander2 (Talk) at 18:53, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
::The issue is POV concerns in the article, so article quality is not met, not an issue with the blurb sentence. Natg 19 (talk) 19:00, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Endorse pull Every time I looked at this, it seemed to be poor quality with misinformation, partisan claims and little independent confirmation of the facts. Per WP:ARBIP, India/Pakistan is a controversial topic and so care and caution is required. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:11, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
== (Closed) Papal Conclave ==
{{Atop|No consensus to post an election until the result is announced. Stephen 23:15, 6 May 2025 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article = 2025 papal conclave
| image =
| blurb = The papal conclave starts in Rome.
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing = no
| ITNR = no
| altblurb =
| altblurb2 =
| sources =
| updated =
| nominator = Khuft
| creator =
| updaters =
| nom cmt = With the papal conclave starting tomorrow (7th May), I propose to post it. Once a new pope gets elected, the blurb can be replaced by "Cardinal XYZ is elected Pope ABC". Conclave article is quite comprehensive; propose posting only on the 7th.
| sign = Khuft (talk) 19:27, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
- Wait until the new pope is chosen. The last several conclaves have only taken two days, I don't see a point in posting the beginning of the conclave when it'll need to be replaced a day later. Estreyeria (talk) 19:35, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Wait on principle. I actually sympathize in spirit with the conclave itself being newsworthy, but the issue is that we have an article quality criterion for a reason. We should guide readers to visit the bolded article only once it has met our quality standards. Even if it is "ok" now, if we preemptively post it before the "main event" so to speak (the selection of a new pope), then we won't be able to make a quality assessment about the article's substantive coverage of the conclave and the new pope (checking for adequate prose, references, readability, etc), before it goes up on the main page. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 19:36, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Wait until the next pope is elected. Natg 19 (talk) 21:07, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose and suggest close. This is premature. Assuming article quality is up to scratch, the actual election of the new pope will be posted per ITNR. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Wait until a new pope is actually chosen. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 22:46, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:Propose adding to ongoing. BilboBeggins (talk) 23:03, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Disagree, this will likely only take a few days, and won't receive the amount of regular updates that ongoing items usually have. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:08, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
{{abot}}
== (Closed) Red Sea crisis ==
{{atop|Consensus will not develop to post without an escalation. Stephen 23:59, 7 May 2025 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article = Red Sea crisis
| image =
| blurb =
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing = add
| ITNR = no
| altblurb =
| altblurb2 =
| sources =
| updated =
| nominator = Abo Yemen
| creator =
| updaters =
| nom cmt = This has been ongoing for a while now, and I've just noticed that it isn't in ITN
| sign = 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 15:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
- Weak Support It's a pretty slow burner as geopolitical hot spots go, but periodic attacks on shipping, and retaliatory strikes are still happening. Article quality appears adequate. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:00, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - Slow burner and directly caused by the Gaza War, which is already at ongoing. — EF5 16:04, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- It might have been caused by the Gaza war, but it is in its current state a completely different conflict from what's happening in Gaza 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 16:35, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- "Red Sea crisis" was on ITN as an ongoing item from Jan - Apr 2024, but was removed in April 2024 after this discussion. Natg 19 (talk) 16:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- :Aha. Well, the conflict is back, now just hours ago, with the May 2025 Israeli attacks on Yemen 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 17:41, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support targeting United States attacks in Yemen (March 2025–present). It's essentially undeclared war. Bremps... 17:56, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:Oppose It wasn’t a big deal in the first place and there’s a ceasefire now. Personisinsterest (talk) 19:38, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:Oppose - ceasefire just happened between the US and the houthis so this conflict isn't really that important for ongoing now. Onegreatjoke (talk) 23:28, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Israeli strikes yesterday and today were limited/retaliatory and unlikely to routinely continue, while the U.S. just announced they’ve reached a ceasefire for their strikes. The Kip (contribs) 23:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
{{abot}}
== (Posted) German new Chancellor==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Friedrich Merz
| image = 2025-02-23 Bundestagswahl – Wahlabend CDU by Sandro Halank–070.jpg
| blurb = Germany's Bundestag elects Friedrich Merz (pictured) as the Chancellor of Germany in the second vote, following a unprecedented failure to elect him in the first vote.
| sources = [https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/05/06/world/merz-germany-chancellor-parliament The New York Times], [https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/may/06/friedrich-merz-german-chancellor-europe-live-latest-news The Guardian], [https://www.dw.com/en/bundestag-elects-merz-as-german-chancellor-in-2nd-vote/live-72443927 DW news]
| altblurb = Friedrich Merz (pictured) is elected Chancellor of Germany and sworn in alongside his cabinet.
| altblurb2 = A coalition government led by newly-elected Chancellor Friedrich Merz (pictured) is formed in Germany.
| updated = yes
| ITNR = yes
| nom cmt = I know in normal time this is not worth ITN as it is a 'procedural vote', but today's vote is first time in Federal Republic of Germany's history that the Bundestag elects a chancellor canadiate in the second vote, so I feel it might worth ITN. But still let community decides.
| nominator = Haers6120
| sign = Haers6120 (talk) 14:23, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
- Support for altblurb or altblurb2 - its not that often that a chancellor is elected in germany, the last three were in 2021, 2005 and 1998. --LennBr (talk) 14:46, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose We posted the election result, which is an ITN/R item, so no need to post today's political drama. As for the historical first, it sounds more suitable for DYK.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- :Comment Former results of german chancellor elections were mentioned on Wiki-Main-page aswell as election results - [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&oldid=1059347853 see Scholz in 2021] and Merkel in 2005. LennBr (talk) 14:51, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::It's not a rule if it was posted in the past (if it is, it should be added on the ITN/R list).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:10, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- :{{u|Kiril Simeonovski}}, under what DYK rules do you think this could be eligible? Schwede66 01:45, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
:*:{{u|Schwede66}} Improve the article so that it gets promoted to a GA, and this could be posted to DYK. That's even better for Wikipedia as it encourages quality editing.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:08, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
:Strong oppose per Kiril Simeonovski. Departure– (talk) 14:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::I removed the ITNR tag, because per WP:ITNR, it only applies to {{green|Changes, reelections or reappointments in the holder of the office which administer the executive of their respective state/government, in those countries which qualify under the criteria above, as listed at List of current heads of state and government except when that change was already posted as part of a general election.}} We already posted the election. The posted blurb then was {{green|In the German federal election, the CDU/CSU, led by Friedrich Merz (pictured), wins the most seats in the Bundestag}}, so this was already posted. Departure– (talk) 16:58, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:::I read this in the exact opposite way. The emphasis in my opinion is the CDU/CSU parliamentary victory, not the leadership of Merz. My reading of that ITNR note is that we should not post the same story twice, e.g. the election of Donald Trump and the inauguration of Donald Trump, so this does not qualify, as a parliamentary election is not the same story as the changing of a German chancellor. Without knowing anything about German politics, I would not assume that these are the same story. Natg 19 (talk) 17:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support first blurb. the newsworthy story here is the failure to elect in the first vote. This isn't DYK, it's major political news. Awkward42 (talk) [the alternate account of Thryduulf (talk)] 15:01, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- :@Awkward42] I added a third blurb (altblurb II), FYI. LennBr (talk) 15:04, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::The original blurb is still the only one to capture the most newsworthy aspect of this. Thryduulf (talk) 17:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:Oppose given that we typically post the result of the election itself, not subsequent appointment itself. Especially given that the outcome which was widely expected, ultimately did happen. If Merz failed to get elected on the second attempt and/or had to step down as a Chancellor candidate, then it clearly would be so notable that it should be posted. In any case, the first blurb should not be used the way it is phrased. It sounds a tad too sensationalistic for ITN. It would be better phrased as "after failing to secure a majority in the first round". Gust Justice (talk) 15:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:Oppose - election result was already posted. nableezy - 15:11, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::Arguably this isn't the election result; it's the result of the coalition agreement being formed. If different parties banded together Merz wouldn't be chancellor since it isn't the general election that decides who the chancellor will be, rather it is dependant on how the subsequent negotiations go. ✨ 4 🧚♂am KING 22:20, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support- election result is one thing, actual change of the head of the government is another. It was not 100% certain that Merz would become the Chancellor, that depended on the coalition agreement.Wi1-ch (talk) 15:18, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support This is in the news and quite significant. In any case, it's clearly ITN/R as the Chancellor heads the executive and the first vote shows that this wasn't a sure thing. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:21, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is the same case as when Donald Trump was inaugurated. We posted the election with a big picture if Merz, so we don't post the inauguration, even though there was a bit of drama and it's a couple of months later. If someone else had ended up being Chancellor them of course that would be a different thing. — Amakuru (talk) 15:41, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:* This is not the same case as Trump because his inauguration was just a formality as there was no coalition required. The same case for this is [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&oldid=1059347853 "A coalition government led by newly-elected Chancellor Olaf Scholz (pictured) is formed in Germany."] We posted Scholz and this is the same country and the same process. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:01, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:*:Trump becoming president required the Congress to certify the results of the election, and as we've seen in recent history that is no longer a given. There isnt any real difference here, the ITN/R is for results of elections, and only have changes in heads of state/government except when that change was already posted as part of a general election. The change was already posted as part of a general election. nableezy - 16:21, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::::This election seems more akin to the Speaker of the House election in the United States - typically a mere formality but in recent years a contested event. Unsure if this chancellor election/change meets ITN. Natg 19 (talk) 17:09, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support Alt II per ITNR. Article quality is adequate. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:05, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- :This is not ITNR. nableezy - 16:21, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support original blurb This is a change in leader, which is ITN/R. The fact that he was not elected on the first vote is also noteworthy and doesn't really lengthen the blurb too much, so I would prefer that in the blurb. --SpectralIon 17:10, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- On second thought I support Alt1 and believe this does meet ITN/R , as this is a change of head of government. The previous blurb that was posted was for the parliamentary election ({{tq|In the German federal election, the CDU/CSU, led by Friedrich Merz (pictured), wins the most seats in the Bundestag}}), not for the election of the chancellor. Natg 19 (talk) 17:16, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Federal election already posted on 24 February: In the German federal election, the CDU/CSU, led by Friedrich Merz (pictured), wins the most seats in the Bundestag. per Departure. Grimes2 17:33, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- :The story here is that just because he leads the largest party, and as negotiated a coalition agreement, him becoming chancellor was not a formality, even though everyone thought it would be. Also, the election was over two months ago - even if it were the same story (which it isn't) it wouldn't be problematic to post it again after such a long interval. Thryduulf (talk) 17:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support Alt2 per ITNR. Sure the election already happened, but it wasn't a formal change of government as we still didn't know what the coalition's composition would be. Scuba 18:55, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support I agree this is technically not ITNR because the election result itself was already posted. However, I would analogize this situation to how we have, in the past, posted two blurbs related to Mark Carney and also other countries with parliamentary systems. One vote about a new PM becoming the new Prime Minister, and another about the election itself. Even though both aren't ITNR and they are two related events part of the same overarching "story", in the circumstances they both could be notable enough to warrant an independent blurb. The surrounding political drama and in-depth news coverage over the failed vote makes this true: even if it is not ITNR, it is a distinct event which is in the news and being covered by the RS. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 19:28, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support. Normally this would not be posted, but I think the failure of the first vote, which was supposed to be a mere formality pushes it over the edge. That failure also resulted in more international news coverage than it otherwise would have gotten. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 20:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- :"Normally this would not be posted"...people should really read, what other users have posted. the first comment mentions, that every election of a new german chancellor has been on wiki main page. 2003:E4:BF25:F900:909C:A2F5:BC2D:2F8B (talk) 21:54, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support I think there is a lot of misunderstanding of the electoral process here. Winning the highest number of seats nearly never results in a path straight to governing, as the the vote share is split between many parties and unless one happens to get over 50% it doesn't mean anything. It is the electoral capabilities and negotiations which determine who will get the highest office, a process which can take weeks, months (like here) or even sometimes years (Belgian, Bulgarian crises for example) which means that this is on fact the result and event that dermines who governs, not the vote itself. Restored ITN/R the Chancellor in Germany is the head of {{strike|state}} government. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- :In no way shape or form is this ITN/R. Or, at least, per all known past application of the ITN/R rules. Where there's an election we post that. The subsequent changing of leader is assumed, and is not then posted as a duplicate. — Amakuru (talk) 21:08, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::{{Ping|Amakuru}} I strongly disagree. The election doesn't determine the head of government, it merely decides which party gets how many seats. The only reason Merz was hailed as the winner was due to political predictions and likely outcome of this process of choosing the chancellor, which happens after the election. Technically CDU could have joined a coalition with the AFD, which was unlikely only due to political will of those two parties, or if they wished, they could have chosen a different chancellor in their coalition agreement with SPD. The election result does not determine any of this. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:41, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::Well, by the same token we should have posted Trump's inauguration, because the election then didn't decide who would be president, it merely selected which parties could send delegates to the electoral college to decide the president. The fact is, it was widely reported after the election that Merz would be chancellor based on the results and the stated intentions of the parties, we posted the election on that basis with a picture of him, and now - lo and behold - he is chancellor. We've simply posted the same story twice. And yes, there was a bit of shenanigans yesterday when he didn't win the first vote, but so what. That was just a flash-in-the-pan suited to a news ticker, and it's not that aspect of it that's been posted today. I don't object to the story being posted on its own merits, if people so desire, but I do object to the same story being posted twice masquerading as ITN/R both times. It's one or the other. — Amakuru (talk) 15:16, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- :Chancellor of Germany is the head of government, not of state. That would be the President. Aydoh8[what have I done now?] 23:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support it's been some time since the election, and the failure on the first ballot is notable in itself. Certainly more notable than the World Snooker Championship and some of the other sports events that, Lord only knows why, get to be ITN/R This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:56, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- :ITN's purpose is to incentivize feature quality content about recent events; "significance" is just a secondary thing. Having a list at ITNR balances the prominence of different sports and incentivizes them all. Plus, you're drastically underestimating the significance of this year's World Snooker Championship, but that's another discussion to be had. Aaron Liu (talk) 12:54, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Posted. Sandstein 12:55, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- :{{smalldiv|1=@Sandstein A very minor heads-up: You forgot to itallicize the "pictured" for Menz and remove the "pictured" from Zhao Xintong. Aaron Liu (talk) 12:58, 7 May 2025 (UTC)}}
- ::Thanks for the reminder and to the person who fixed it. Sandstein 14:21, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Per Kiril Simeonovski, I don't think that the procedural second round is noteworthy enough to entail a blurb on its own and as mentioned before, the election result was posted as well. Ornithoptera (talk) 19:54, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
May 5
== RD: James Baker ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = James Baker (musician)
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/james-baker-australian-drummer-dies-aged-71-1235963320/ Billboard], [https://au.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/james-baker-hoodoo-gurus-beasts-of-bourbon-dead-76395/ Rolling Stone Australia]
| updated = yes
| nominator = 240F:7A:6253:1:550D:65B1:47CA:2B88
| updaters = Ronnievonjohnson
| nom cmt =
| sign = 240F:7A:6253:1:550D:65B1:47CA:2B88 (talk) 08:15, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
:Oppose awards section uncited. Aydoh8[what have I done now?] 23:07, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
==(Posted) 2025 World Snooker Championship==
{{ITN candidate
| article = 2025 World Snooker Championship
| image = Zhao Xintong PHC 2016-1.jpg
| blurb = Zhao Xintong (pictured) defeats Mark Williams to win the World Snooker Championship.
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing = no
| ITNR = yes
| altblurb =
| altblurb2 =
| sources =
| updated = yes
| nominator = Lee Vilenski
| creator =
| updaters = HurricaneHiggins
| nom cmt =
| sign = Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:37, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
- Support - article looks in good shape. Just finished watching the game, very entertaining and congrats to the first winner from China! — Amakuru (talk) 19:58, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- :Its a crazy story really to not play for 20 months to playing like that. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:05, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::Yes, the back story won't make it into the blurb, will it. Nor the heroic fightback from Williams in the final session. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:13, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::Probably not, but it will make an entertaining TFA down the line! I believe he may be the amateur winner too, although presumably that's somewhat nuanced... — Amakuru (talk) 21:53, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support - "first champion from Asia" might make a useful blurb detail. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:14, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 22:53, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- :Why aren’t we using the image above? Kowal2701 (talk) 08:46, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::That was in 2016 when he was aged just 19? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:52, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::Surprised we don’t have an image from the tournament, current one looks goofy Kowal2701 (talk) 09:00, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::: Unless someone has managed to take a picture in the auditorium (where phones are banned) I think it's probably unlikely; someone may have managed to meet the players before or after play, I suppose. Black Kite (talk) 10:35, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- :::::Phone use is prohibited during match-play (although this is sometimes ignored and elicits rebukes from the referee), but may be used at other times? So a photo may not be so unlikely. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
:Use the 2016 image Current one seems like something he might put up on Facebook. Bremps... 01:04, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
::That's when he was a teenager. Stephen 02:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Post-posting comment: this is an excellent article which deserves a lot of praise. It is exemplary for ITN sports items; I wish they were all like this. Congratulations to everyone who worked on it, particularly {{u|HurricaneHiggins}} who seems to have been the lead author. Modest Genius talk 11:40, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- :Thank you, @Modest Genius! Much appreciated! HurricaneHiggins (talk) 12:01, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- :Higgins should get most of the credit here, really well written. I like to see these things posted and then say: well, you've got another 80 or so similar articles to read. Been steadily working on Wikipedia:WikiProject Snooker/projects#world snooker championship for some time. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:35, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
May 4
== RD: Guylaine Lanctôt ==
{{ITN candidate
| article =Guylaine Lanctôt
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/2163471/mort-deces-ghyslaine-lanctot-complotisme-medecine
| updated =
| nominator = Onegreatjoke
| updaters =EclecticEnnui
| nom cmt =Article looks good.
| sign = Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:30, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
== RD: Tom Youngs ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Tom Youngs (footballer, born 1979)
| recent deaths = yes
| ongoing = no
| ITNR = no
| sources = [https://www.cambridgeunited.com/news/tom-youngs-1979-2025 Cambridge Utd]
| updated =
| nominator = Abcmaxx
| creator =
| updaters =
| sign = Abcmaxx (talk) 21:05, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
- Oppose 1,250 characters of text means it's a stub. Three paragraphs of career, of which one entirely unsourced, as with the claim he was an assistant manager. I don't know why articles are continuously nominated in a condition like this. Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:20, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
== (Closed) Romanian presidential election ==
{{atop|SNOW close. Consensus against posting. Wait until the final results come out. {{nac}} Natg 19 (talk) 22:20, 5 May 2025 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article = 2025 Romanian presidential election
| image = George Simion & Arkadiusz Mularczyk (cropped).jpg
| blurb = In the Romanian presidential election, the leader of the AUR party George Simion (pictured) wins the 1st round but faces a runoff against the independent candidate Nicușor Dan.
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing = no
| ITNR = yes
| altblurb =
| altblurb2 =
| sources = [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/04/ultranationalist-wins-first-round-of-romanias-rerun-presidential-election The Guardian], [https://apnews.com/article/romania-election-presidential-crisis-e6ce0a674cf88bfc02c505482dc2497b AP News]
| updated =
| nominator = Abcmaxx
| creator =
| updaters =
| nom cmt = Article needs a lot of work and a lot more prose, especially on results, aftermath, and the candidates. Not sure what the precedent is for 2-round elections is but this is global headlines nonetheless in what will likely be a knife edge runoff.
| sign = Abcmaxx (talk) 13:27, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
:Oppose only the results of the second round are posted. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:33, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:comment shouldnt the other righoid candidate who got banned from the election due to Russia be mentioned somehow? 5.44.170.181 (talk) 13:36, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Soft Support as of now So far, the article looks comprehensive and well referenced. I believe with the ongoing rapid update, it will even be better. SurveyMonkey... 13:38, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. What? We post the result of the elections, not an interim first round result. Wait for the second round, it's only two weeks away. — Amakuru (talk) 13:45, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Prime Minister Marcel Ciolacu has just resigned. Eugen Simion 14 (talk) 16:04, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:Oppose. This is just the first round. We post when the second round concludes. --Grnrchst (talk) 17:35, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:oppose till 2nd round. Scuba 17:56, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:Oppose posting a preliminary election result, support posting the PM's resignation when a) it happens and b) the article is properly updated. Bremps... 18:45, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support only after May 18 run-off We can post the result of presidential election once second round official result is revealed on May 18 after election runoff vote. Given that in the country use runoff system and no candidates had more than 50% of votes, the blurb needs to be on hold until after May 18 runoff election results. Regarding the resignation of PM, i Support them to be included if the blurb was updated, as long as it didn't prematurely coincided with posting of first round election results. 103.111.102.118 (talk) 19:11, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose we need to wait until round 2. Secretlondon (talk) 19:23, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:Wait until Round 2. History6042😊 (Contact me) 20:11, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - Election is May 18. I can't fathom why this is here weeks before the main vote. Nfitz (talk) 21:54, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
{{abot}}
== (Closed) Nicaragua leaves UNESCO ==
{{atop
| result = This won't be going anywhere. Schwede66 01:13, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
{{ITN candidate
| article = Freedom of the press in Nicaragua
| article2= Member states of UNESCO
| blurb = Nicaragua announces its withdrawal from UNESCO in protest after La Prensa, opposition newspaper to Nicaraguan dictatorship, wins the UNESCO/Guillermo Cano World Press Freedom Prize.
| sources = [https://apnews.com/article/unesco-nicaragua-withdraws-press-freedom-d3c3c33d333e6859038b2e4591891da6 The Associated Press], [https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250504-unesco-says-nicaragua-quitting-over-press-prize-award AFP]
| updated = no
| nominator = UCinternational
| sign = UCinternational (talk) 04:12, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
:*Oppose Rare yes, important, clearly not. 128.91.40.237 (talk) 11:23, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support Very clearly important. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:40, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. It may be rare, but it's of very little importance or significance. — Amakuru (talk) 13:46, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose When the debate is over importance, we should gauge not based on personal opinion but rather whether it is being picked up by reliable sources and covered in depth. In this case, there is no significant coverage from major outlets like the NYT, BBC, CBC, etc. There is really only a hodgepodge of miscellaneous articles from the AP, some European news sources, and one article in the Toronto Star. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 15:28, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:*Support Imporant news item. It has been covered in the [https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2025-05-04/nicaragua-withdraws-from-unesco-in-protest-at-press-freedom-award Los Angeles Times] as well. NewishIdeas (talk) 18:52, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
:*Support on notability but the articles need to be updated. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:03, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: Like Flipandflopped said, the coverage of this is minimal. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 02:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
{{abot}}
== RD: Jochen Mass ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Jochen Mass
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/articles/cly5d21ve9lo BBC]
| updated = yes
| nominator = Black Kite
| updaters = Bretonbanquet, GalacticVelocity08, Strattonsmith
| nom cmt = German racing driver. Article isn't bad, stats need sourcing.
| sign = Black Kite (talk) 20:51, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
== RD: K. V. Rabiya ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = K. V. Rabiya
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/keralas-pioneering-literacy-advocate-kv-rabiya-passes-away/article69537964.ece The Hindu]
| updated =
| nominator =Pharaoh of the Wizards
| updaters =
| nom cmt = literacy advocate
| sign = Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:09, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
:Support Except for the quotes section (which I removed) that can be moved to the sister project, this seems whole and well-cited enough. Writing is a little bit sentimental but it's not major enough to stop posting. Bremps... 18:47, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
== RD: Ghulam Mohammad Vastanvi==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Ghulam Mohammad Vastanvi
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://www.uniindia.com/maha-eminent-islamic-scholar-maulana-ghulam-mohammad-vastanvi-passes-away/west/news/3455068.html United News of India], [https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/ahmedabad/islamic-scholar-maulana-ghulam-vastanvi-passes-away-at-75-9984574/ The Indian Express]
| updated = Khaatir
| nominator =Pharaoh of the Wizards
| updaters = Khaatir
| nom cmt = Noted Educational reformer
| sign = Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:46, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
:Support: Famous Indian Islamic scholar and educationist. Khaatir (talk) 06:46, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
== RD: Hsu Li-nung ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Hsu Li-nung
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202505/04/WS6817322aa310a04af22bd706.html China Daily] [https://focustaiwan.tw/politics/202505040006 Focus Taiwan]
| updated =
| nominator = Fixer88
| updaters =
| nom cmt =
| sign = Fixer88 (talk) 16:57, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
== RD: Julia Alexander ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Julia Alexander
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://www.baltimoresun.com/2025/05/05/julia-alexander-dies-walters-art-museum/ Baltimore Sun]
| updated =
| nominator = Bridget
| updaters = Bridget, 170.93.144.3
| nom cmt = Former director of public art museum in eastern U.S.
| sign = Bridget (talk) 17:05, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
:Support, everything looks fully cited, article is updated and long enough. ForsythiaJo (talk) 02:26, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
May 3
== RD: Stephen Harmelin ==
{{ITN candidate
| article =Stephen Harmelin
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =https://www.inquirer.com/obituaries/stephen-harmelin-dilworth-paxson-obituary-20250504.html
| updated =
| nominator = Onegreatjoke
| updaters =OGBC1992
| nom cmt =Article looks good.
| sign = Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:45, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
:Support {{@ITNA}} There are enough references & details in Harmelin’s article. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 00:18, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
== RD: Sırrı Süreyya Önder ==
{{ITN candidate
| article =Sırrı Süreyya Önder
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =[https://www.bbc.com/turkce/articles/cd6jd230l41o BBC]
| updated =
| nominator = Onegreatjoke
| updaters =Adem
| nom cmt =Turkish Politician. All we need is citations for a filmography.
| sign = Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:45, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
== RD: Sholom Lipskar ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Sholom Lipskar
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-852530 The Jerusalem Post]
| updated =
| nominator = Mooonswimmer
| updaters =
| nom cmt =
| sign = Mooonswimmer 13:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
== RD: Robert A. G. Monks ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Robert A. G. Monks
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://www.washingtonpost.com/obituaries/2025/05/03/robert-monks-shareholder-activism-dies/ Washington Post]
| updated =
| nominator = Thriley
| updaters = Sunshineisles2
| nom cmt = Death announced 3 May.
| sign = Thriley (talk) 17:29, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
==(Posted) 2025 Kentucky Derby ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = 2025 Kentucky Derby
| image =
| blurb = In horse racing, Sovereignty, ridden by Junior Alvarado, wins the Kentucky Derby.
| ongoing = no
| ITNR = yes
| altblurb =
| altblurb2 =
| sources = [https://www.nbcnews.com/sports/horse-racing/live-blog/kentucky-derby-2025-live-updates-rcna203347 NBC Sports]
| updated =
| nominator = Moraljaya67
| creator =
| updaters =
| nom cmt = The article is a little bit stubby at this point.
| sign = Moraljaya67 (talk) 01:44, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
- Comment: I've done some edits on both 2025 Kentucky Derby and Sovereignty (horse), and feel like they are ready for potential ITN inclusion. JRHorse (talk) 16:13, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support article quality looks good to me. Natg 19 (talk) 19:59, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support - not super long but there is enough prose ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 11:59, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support enough prose to meet our minimum standards. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 15:28, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 22:24, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
== (Posted) Singaporean general election ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = 2025 Singaporean general election
| image = File:Lawrence Wong 20230526.jpg
| blurb = In the Singaporean general election, the People's Action Party, led by Lawrence Wong (pictured), retains a supermajority of seats.
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing = no
| ITNR = yes
| altblurb = The People's Action Party, led by Lawrence Wong (pictured), wins a supermajority of seats in the Singaporean general election.
| altblurb2 = In Singapore, the People's Action Party, led by Prime Minister Lawrence Wong (pictured), wins a supermajority of seats in the general election.
| sources = [https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/ge2025-polling-day-results-watch-live-blog-5098641 CNA] [https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3308943/singapore-election-nation-awaits-peoples-verdict-voting-closes SCMP]
| updated =
| nominator = JaventheAlderick
| creator =
| updaters = ZKang123, Sculture65
| nom cmt = Results are still coming in as of the time of writing, but the outcome is a foregone conclusion.
| sign = =JaventheAldericky= (Would you like to talk to me?) 16:28, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
- The blurb alone will do for Singapore, we don't need the photo for this as the Australian election is more significant; per nom's comment that the results are a foregone conclusion. - Mailer Diablo 16:53, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- :The last time the PAP didn't win a supermajority in a Singaporean election was *checks notes* 1955, when Singapore was still a British colony. As Orbitalbuzzsaw would say, "PAP wins almost all the seats in Singapore, more at eleven". Aydoh8[what have I done now?] 22:50, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- :If both items are posted up at about the same time, it is customary to delay the switching to the second item's photo for about 24 hours. – robertsky (talk) 02:45, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
- :: That works too. Support original (blurb0). - Mailer Diablo 11:46, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support Well written, ITN eligible, and updated. Everything seems to check out on my end. Ornithoptera (talk) 23:45, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support alt blurb II ArionStar (talk) 00:04, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support, quality seems good. Surprised that there is actually results prose. History6042😊 (Contact me) 02:13, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support ITN/R and article is in good shape (but maybe no need to split results into separate page). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.75.6.238 (talk) 05:04, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support altblurb0, as it's important to note that this supermajority is simply a continuation of the norm rather than something new, as other users have noted. Loytra (talk) 05:14, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:Marked ready. History6042😊 (Contact me) 13:55, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support Alt II Congrats to the PAP winning for the 15th time in a row. Scuba 14:40, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support altblurb0, "retains" provides more information. CMD (talk) 14:55, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support altblurb1, like the 2025 Australian federal election. It was overrated just because of the Trump tariffs, but the changes starts today. Hopefully the oppositions will do better and so was PAP in 2030. :-P Sculture65 (talk) 18:07, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 00:05, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- :Wow! Now we have 4 election blurbs in a row! ArionStar (talk) 01:45, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::And the first round of the Romanian election today, with a second round expected on the 18th... lots of elections going on now I suppose. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 01:53, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
== (Posted) Australian federal election ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = 2025 Australian federal election
| image = Anthony Albanese portrait (cropped).jpg
| blurb = The Australian Labor Party, led by Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese (pictured), wins the most seats in the federal election.
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing = no
| ITNR = yes
| altblurb = The Australian Labor Party, led by the Prime Minister of Australia, Anthony Albanese (pictured), is returned to government at the Australian federal election.
| altblurb2 = The Australian Labor Party, led by the Prime Minister of Australia, Anthony Albanese (pictured), wins the majority of seats in the Australian federal election.
| altblurb3 = In Australia, the Labor Party, led by the Prime Minister Anthony Albanese (pictured), wins the most seats in the federal election.
| altblurb4 = In Australia, the Labor Party, led by the Prime Minister Anthony Albanese (pictured), is returned to government with a majority of seats after a federal election.
| sources = [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-03/federal-election-night-2025-who-is-winning/105239714]
| updated =
| nominator = Happily888
| creator =
| updaters =
| nom cmt =
| sign = Happily888 (talk) 10:30, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
:Support first blurb, as matches the recent Canadian blurb, although I would prefer mentioning them managing a majority V. L. Mastikosa (talk) 11:44, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
::Support alt blurb 2, although would prefer a blurb that cleans up wording V. L. Mastikosa (talk) 12:19, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Support alt blurb 3 V. L. Mastikosa (talk) 16:11, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support altblurb 2 as the initial blurb suggests a plurality win and therefore minority government, when all the major media is projecting a majority government. Melmann 11:51, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support a slightly reworded altblurb2 (something to the effect of {{tq|The Australian Labor Party, led by prime minister Anthony Albanese (pictured), wins the majority of seats in the Australian federal election.}} The word "Australia(n)" does not have to be included three times haha. Loytra (talk) 12:49, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support altblurb3, the Australian version of the Canadian one. ArionStar (talk) 13:40, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support altblurb3 for consistency with the Canadian blurb. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 13:53, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
::In Canada, the Liberals did not get a majority, but in Australia Labor did. That should be pointed out. 331dot (talk) 14:03, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
::Not quite the same as the Canadian Labour Party won a plurality of seats, while the Australian Labor Party seems to be on track to win a majority of seats. Prince Of Iso (talk) 14:05, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Correction to my prior reply, I meant Canadian Liberal Party, not Labour Party Prince Of Iso (talk) 14:14, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support altblurb2 BBC's even calling it a "landslide" now. Other blurbs would be more appropriate in a plurality result. Yo.dazo (talk) 14:35, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support alt 3. Scuba 14:49, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support altblurb 2, because as @331dot pointed out, the Australian election already resulted in a majority even in the current unfinished vote counting, not a plularity minority like the Canadian election. Additionally, lean wait for atleast 2-3 hours just for the final seat results, even if it's just a marginal result for Labor's majority seat number. SymphonyWizard72 (talk) 15:35, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:Support as this is a major national election. I'd prefer altblurb 2 but any of them are fine. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 15:54, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
::{{u|Chorchapu}} FYI this is on the recurring events list so it doesn't require support on the merits. 331dot (talk) 16:15, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:::Oh, sorry. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 17:23, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
::::The article looks to be in good shape, it's long enough and has a good amount of prose. Could use some more info in the results section, though. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 17:26, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- Could we have some prose in the section "Results", please? Schwede66 15:56, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- :As long as the official count is not done, maybe no one will. Also most election results page don't even have it, aside from sometimes a boldened "Results from XXXX year Country X Election" text. SymphonyWizard72 (talk) 16:04, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support altburb2, the projection is quite obvious at this point. - Mailer Diablo 16:53, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support altblurb 2, different from the Canadian election as this one was indeed a majority. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:57, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support altblurb 2 The fact that this is a majority government needs to be made clear. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:36, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- :the most ≠ the majority? ArionStar (talk) 20:49, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- ::If a party wins the most seats, but less than half of them (as was the case in the 2025 Canadian federal election), it is known as a minority government. -insert valid name here- (talk) 21:00, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
:* Support altblurb 2 Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:10, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support altblurb 1 or 2. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 22:41, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- I've made an altblurb IV, sort of a synthesis of II and III, but am open to supporting II or III on their own as well. Aydoh8[what have I done now?] 22:54, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 23:32, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
== RD: Sajid Mir ==
{{ITN candidate
| article = Sajid Mir (politician)
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = [https://gnnhd.tv/news/46429/pml-n-leader-senator-prof-sajid-mir-passes-away#google_vignette GNN News][https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/03-May-2025/pakistani-senator-prof-sajid-mir-passes-away-at-85 Daily Pakistan]
| updated =
| nominator = Fahads1982
| updaters =
| nom cmt =
| sign = Fahads1982talk/contrib 09:10, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
}}
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