Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1256#Moving drafts to the article space

hii,,, I finished the first paragrpah for a section of an article and was wondering if someone could check it for me 😭😭 “ Simkin was born in Novosibirsk, Russia , yet grew up in Wiesbaden , Germany. His parents were former ballet dancers, Dmitrij Simkin and Olga Aleksandrova, who met when preforming at the Bolshoi Theatre in Moscow. He has a half brother, Anton Alexandrov(born 1977), who has danced with the Hamburg Ballet and is now a ballet teacher.” Feodorovnassz (talk) 13:38, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

:Typos apart ("preforming", "Alexandrov(born"), that reads fine, but the most important thing, which you do not mention, is to include citations. I will leave some additional and useful links on your talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:08, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

How do I turn off two-factor authentication? When I login using my phone, I am prompted for a code to login and I don't remember setting this up. However, when I log in to my computer at home, it logs me in no problem. What's going on here and how can I fix it? Interstellarity (talk) 15:57, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

:This might be related to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_219#c-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20250415002100-Tech_News:_2025-16 a recent announcement]: {{tq|To improve security for users, a small percentage of logins will now require that the account owner input a one-time password emailed to their account.}} This apparently applies to certain unfamiliar devices and IP addresses. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 17:04, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

::Is there any way I can opt out of it? Interstellarity (talk) 17:06, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

:::You can remove your email from your account, but doing that comes with its own security issues. Otherwise I don't think you can opt out. The authentication requirement should only pop up occasionally though. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 17:46, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

I would like to upload a photo that I own that pertains to a wiki, but I don’t know if it would be allowed or not since it isn’t a copyrighted image. Jawsss (talk) 02:24, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

:{{yo|Jawsss}} Depends on what you mean by "own". Normally the person that took the photo owns the copyright. And the default is that it is copyright. So if you took the photo, you own the copyright, and have the right to release it under a CC-BY license. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:31, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

::By “own” I meant I bought it. The photo is about 80 years old now, and the photographer is most likely dead. Jawsss (talk) 02:38, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

::: A photograph from 1940 is not yet old enough to be in the public domain because of when it was taken.

::: There are circumstances in which photos can be used under a fair use justification, regardless of their copyright status. See WP:NFC. These are quite restrictive rules, but if they apply, the photo may be used. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:51, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Hello {{u|Jawsss}}. Copyright law is highly complex, but most commonly, old copyrights in the United States expire on January 1 of the year 95 years after publication. So, things first published in 1929 came into the public domain at the beginning of this year. If the photographer has died, the copyright belongs to their heirs or estate. On Wikipedia, we need to comply with the restrictions of both the country of first publication and the US, since Wikipedia is hosted in the US. Cullen328 (talk) 06:33, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::@Cullen328 I guess I’ll come back on January 1st, 2036, to upload it! Jawsss (talk) 08:00, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Like Cullen says, it's a sadly complex area, but there are some exceptions that might apply. See if you find anything interesting at [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Hirtle_chart Commons:Hirtle chart]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:11, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Forgot to ping @Jawsss Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:11, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

:We don't have enough information to give you a proper answer. We need to know: What country was the image taken in; who was the photographer (or are they unknowable); are you the photographer’s heir (I'm assuming not, as you bought it); was it ever published, and if so, when?

:Its suitability for "fair use" on this project will also depend on he subject: is it something that could be taken today, such as a scenic view, or is it of an historic event or person that could no longer be photographed? Do we have other freely-usable photographs available, of the same subject? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:45, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

::It’s a photo from Germany of the 1941 German football championship, Rapid Vs Schalke, that shows the full stadium while the game is being played. Jawsss (talk) 17:48, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

::@Pigsonthewing sorry forgot to ping Jawsss (talk) 17:49, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Are the other points (authorship and publication date especially) unknown?

:::There is some useful info at :c:Commons:Germany. You can get more expert advice on copyright at :c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright.

:::The work may be eligible for fair use here, depending on where you intend to use it; see WP:NFC as already advised. Note that it won't qualify if it doesn't tell us more about the event than :File:Bundesarchiv Bild 183-2004-1001-503, Berlin, Zuschauer beim Fußball-Endspiel.jpg which is already in use. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:06, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

::::@Pigsonthewing The photographer is unknown as it isn’t written down. I only know it’s Rapid Vs Schalke as the person wrote down “Rapid - Schalke 4:3.” I don’t know what would qualify as the photo telling more about the event. Jawsss (talk) 18:22, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

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Hi... Can I kindly ask if anyone can fix the talk page on Devi Sharan, an article I thought I created as new... before I expand it further please? Thank you. Whispyhistory (talk) 12:00, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:@Whispyhistory {{done}}. Removed the redirect and added WikiProject banners. [[User:CanonNi]] (talk • contribs) 12:04, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

::{{reply|CanonNi}} Thank you so much Whispyhistory (talk) 13:22, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

I need to change my email, that one is no longer active. Robert0259 (talk) 07:46, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:{{reply|Robert0259}} To change your email, you can go to your user preferences and scroll down until you the email options heading and there is an option to change or remove your email address. cyberdog958^Talk 07:50, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

I suppose that this has most likely been brought up before, but why do only 3 roblox games have Wikipedia articles? So many of these games should be notable for setting records or having controversy.

Lets give an example for the setting records part, Grow a Garden just hit 6.5 million players playing the game at once. The update is only an hour away. That has to be the most CCU of any video game of all time. Why does Grow a Garden not have a Wikipedia article yet?

For the controversy part of this argument, Pet Simulator has been known for being basically child gambling, NFT scandals, creating brand new marketing strategies used in other games, and having some of the most addictive gameplay ever. (and to top it off, a McDonalds promotion.)

The fact that Galarian Corsola has an article but Roblox games that have done some insane stuff (for better or for worse) don’t have articles is kinda crazy to me. Toketaa^talk 13:29, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hello @Toketaa. Notability on Wikipedia can be a strange concept. Factors like player counts don't contribute to notability. What does matter are secondary sources providing in-depth information on the subject. Without these sources, no such article can be published, because there would be no verifiable information to create an encyclopedic article.

:You can try finding these sources yourself if you wish. There's always a chance the article hasn't been created because simply no one wanted to create it yet. Good luck. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 14:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:I just created the article for Grow a Garden as there was sufficient coverage of the game in reliable sources. Ca ^{talk to me!} 15:43, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:To give an example of what the other users have said, The Henry Stickmin Collection has no (English) Wikipedia article despite being very popular. If it receives enough coverage one day I might create the article as I quite like the series, but I don't think that's the case yet. Popularity does not confer notability for Wikipedia's purposes. Have a nice day :) –The Sophocrat (talk) 03:43, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

::On a related note, WP:BFDI. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 12:32, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

Add ROBLOX Frosaken GinoFCHq (talk) 16:24, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

:Sources? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

::Forsaken ROBLOX GinoFCHq (talk) 17:07, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Sources? (We're not citing the experience itself.) —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 17:16, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

:Welcome to the Teahouse. FORSAKEN has to meet WP:NVIDEOGAME to have an article on Wikipedia. ^EF⁵ 16:26, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

In my first task as an editor, Wikipedia gave me the challenge to find a citation in an article about Katyusha rocket launchers. (Katyusha rocket launcher)

While looking for the information, I came across two other sites and nearly cited them until I realized the text of the articles were 100% identical to the Wikipedia entry: https://encyclopedia.pub/entry/33152# and https://handwiki.org/wiki/Engineering:Katyusha_rocket_launcher

What is Wikipedia's policy on authors publishing an identical article on other online encyclopedias? Inquisit345 (talk) 19:22, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

: See WP:REUSE. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:28, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks for your response Andy. I'm not sure what the bottom line is though. WP:REUSE appears to be a discussion about how text and images copied from Wikipedia should be referenced, but is it possible the author of Katyusha rocket launcher created his Wikipedia article as a copy of text and images from one of the other two encyclopedias instead of the other way around? Inquisit345 (talk) 18:26, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Working that out usually involves some detective work, {{u|Inquisit345}}. It [https://handwiki.org/wiki/index.php?title=Engineering:Katyusha_rocket_launcher&action=info seems that] the version on HandWiki.org was created on 7 February 2024, and checking the revision history of Katyusha rocket launcher, the text was already in the article before that date, so it seems that it was copied from our article, not to it. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:36, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

::::In fact, it seems the version of the article that was copied from was the one that existed prior to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Katyusha_rocket_launcher&diff=prev&oldid=1198018439 this edit], when it had the longer "Post-war development" section that you see on HandWiki.org. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:41, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::@Cordless Larry. Very observant. Thanks for following up. One really has to go over the articles with a fine-toothed comb to figure something like that out. I have to wonder how common this kind of thing is... and if what if anything is done about it. Inquisit345 (talk) 13:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::Handwiki.org is a copy of Wikipedia that was started by someone who had articles they had written on Wikipedia deleted - they started their own site where their articles would remain. Everything you will find there is a copy of something that started here. MrOllie (talk) 13:49, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

If someone makes an undue personal attack against you on an admin noticeboard (e.g. ANI, AN3, etc.), are you supposed to revert/undo it? If not, what else should you do if you don't think the person is acting in good faith towards you? »Gommeh 14:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hello @Gommeh. Yes, you can revert the user's edit per the policy at WP:RPA. You should also leave a polite message on their talk page if you feel that is necessary. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 14:22, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I've noticed that a new user is adding links that point to https://backlinkspro.net/, leading to what looks like a sales page, with no information on the subject of the link. For example, in an article on marketing:

[https://backlinkspro.net/ Marketing strategy]

I think this is vandalism (or something else undesirable) but I'm not sure. Would appreciate input. FictionWitch (talk) 16:02, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:This is absolutely inappropriate linking and considering the link is completely irrelevent to the articles, I would consider it to be vandalism. S1mply.dogmom (talk) 16:09, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you! Would you warn the user or wait to see if they add more? FictionWitch (talk) 16:10, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Warn the user immediately if nobody else has done so (see the editor's talk page). On a first offense, try the template {{tl|uw-vandalism1}} or {{tl|uw-spam1}} if the editor is adding spam links. If it keeps happening, you can escalate the warnings {{tl|uw-spam2}} etc. After 3 warnings are ignored, it's enough to report at WP:AIV for administrator attention. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:13, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:::I reported the account as a vandalism account. They've made two edits in total and both were adding this link erroneously. Good catch! S1mply.dogmom (talk) 16:14, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Thank you both for prompt responses. FictionWitch (talk) 16:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

::::I posted my comment before seeing this. My apologies. Did I act too quickly? S1mply.dogmom (talk) 16:15, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::No, you did fine. The account is now indef-blocked for using Wikipedia for promotional purposes. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:17, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:In future, you can report such egregious spamming to WP:AIV. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:19, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

::Twinkle is also helpful if you're confident enough. S1mply.dogmom (talk) 16:27, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi Teahouse,

I recently submitted a draft article on Jeff Campbell (Apostle), and it was declined by ToadetteEdit due to concerns about notability and the lack of significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. I really appreciate the review, and I’m hoping to get clarification on how to improve the draft for resubmission.

The draft is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sadiowiki/sandbox

I’ve cited sources including La Voz, The Denver Post, Longmont Daily Times-Call, HuffPost, Westword, and award acknowledgments from the Bonfils-Stanton Foundation and Denver Arts & Venues. Some are in-depth features, while others cover public events or cultural contributions.

Could someone advise whether any of these sources already meet notability criteria if formatted correctly with inline tags? And if not, what types of additional coverage should I be looking to include?

Any guidance on strengthening the article for acceptance would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you!

—Sadiowiki Sadiowiki (talk) 07:01, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:@Sadiowiki According to our policy on biographies of living people, all facts likely to be challenged must be cited to reliable sources. At present, in the "Early life" section you have put all the cites at the end (including a duplicated one), so it is unclear which back up the first paragraph, if any. The section on "Legacy and vision" is entirely uncited. Who said that about him? You? You also need to think which sources show how he is wikinotable and perhaps mention the three best ones in a comment on a draft to help the reviewer. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:51, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you for your detailed feedback — I’ve made several updates based on your suggestions:

::- All duplicate citations (like Migoya’s) have been consolidated using `name="..."` formatting to avoid redundancy.

::- I marked uncited statements such as the Forensics League achievements with `{{citation needed}}`.

::- I added inline `` tags directly after each verifiable fact in the “Early Life” section to clarify sourcing.

::- The “Legacy and Vision” section is now cited with reliable sources from *Westword* (2013 in-depth interview) and *Denver Arts & Venues* (2024 award recognition), and rewritten in a neutral tone with attribution where applicable.

::For notability, the three strongest sources currently cited are:

::1. *Westword* feature on Jeff Campbell’s one-man show (2013)

::2. *Denver Arts & Venues* — Social Impact Artist Award (2024)

::3. *HuffPost* articles on his music and activism (2009)

::Here’s the current draft for your reference:

::👉 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sadiowiki/sandbox](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sadiowiki/sandbox)

::I’d appreciate any further advice on how to strengthen the draft for acceptance. Thanks again! Sadiowiki (talk) 18:01, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

A user moved Ontario Health (agency) to Ontario Health without discussion. I reverted it. The user reverted my reversion, without discussion. If I move the page back, I'd be WP:move warring. What is the proper process for me to take to revert the page back to its original name without move warring? Legend of 14 (talk) 18:31, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Looking over the article and talk pages, there appears to be no attempt at opening a discussion by either party. It would be a good idea at this point, before doing any further reverts, to open the discussion yourself. You can ping them on the article's talk page or make a note on their user talk page. S1mply.dogmom (talk) 18:53, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

::I did make a note on their user page under the existing May 2025 section. Legend of 14 (talk) 18:55, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:::I'm trying to figure out who added the descriptive disambiguator (agency) in the first place. As a new article it was reviewed in 2021 as Ontario Health. So far as I can see, there's zero reason for disambiguation since there are no article conflicts which are apparent. We don't commonly add a disambiguator unless one is necessary. BusterD (talk) 19:05, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Precisely. The person performing the move is not a novice contributor . Assume good faith and give time for a response. S1mply.dogmom (talk) 19:17, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Why did you revert it? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:13, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

::There are other pages that Ontario Health could refer to like Ontario Health Insurance Plan, Public Health Ontario, and Ministry of Health (Ontario). The disambiguator helped differentiate the article from those pages in search. Legend of 14 (talk) 19:16, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I am a published book editor that wants a Wikipedia page, not to self promote simply to establish facts. How do I go about that Claroconcaro (talk) 02:25, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:You don't. You're better off waiting for someone else with the sources to support it to write an article about you. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 02:34, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you for replying. May articles have been written about me, independent sources. They just don’t do it in Wikipedia. They have done it in magazines etc but not here. So what can I do about that? Claroconcaro (talk) 02:37, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Writing your own autobiography is "strongly discouraged", but not entirely impossible. You can try to write a draft and submit it to WP:AFC with the proper sourcing and writing that all articles require, but keep in mind that trying this will certainly bring many inherent obstacles. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 02:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

::::So who can I ask to write it for me? What is the process? Claroconcaro (talk) 03:22, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::I'd reccomend waiting for someone else to write about you. They would create a draft. submit it to AFC, and a reviewer would check if it meets the standards of publication. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 03:24, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::Thanks! Claroconcaro (talk) 04:58, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

If you have edited published pieces you should be familiar with publishers’ guidelines. Think of Wikipedia as an online publisher, and you must follow Wikipedia’s rules on suitable articles. Help:Your first article tells you the basic guidelines to follow. Help:Referencing for beginners tells you what is and isn’t a suitable reference. You can’t start out by saying that you know what schools you attended, and what notable people you’ve worked with, so you can just write what you know. You need to find published sources that state these facts, so that others can track down those sources to double check what you’re writing about.

I would strongly recommend you read Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. If you (or someone else) writes an article about you that gets accepted by Wikipedia that article won’t belong to you. Others can edit the article, and add published information, criticisms or reviews that you’d prefer not to have included in the article. And if the time comes when you decide that you’d prefer that article to go away, you can’t delete it. It is part of the Wikipedia encyclopedia, and it might get copied and shared on other websites.

Best wishes on any Wikipedia projects you chose to work on. Karenthewriter (talk) 04:26, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Thank you for your reply! Are there writers that if you provide the information would want to publish an article about you, meaning if they believe it’s a contribution to society and find it interested to do so? Claroconcaro (talk) 04:58, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

::Unfortunately, yes, but don't pay them See WP:SCAM. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:42, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

::Hello, @Claroconcaro, and welcome to the Teahouse. You say "not for promotion", but what you are trying to do is precisely promotion, as Wikipedia undestands the term. ColinFine (talk) 09:38, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Thank you for your reply. The reason I want to have a reliable autobiography it is because since I write and advice about finances, I get a lot of impostors, I don’t charge for financial advice, all of my advice is given for free and except for the book (that it is actually not mine, it’s the publishing house) there is nothing for sale on my end. What I would like written it’s financial concepts to help people out of their financial hole for free. Many articles have been written about me and the extra promotion is not what I am going for, it is simply to have the right info in a reliable source like Wikipedia. Claroconcaro (talk) 16:51, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

::@Claroconcaro You have been shy in telling us your full name, which would help experienced editors judge whether there were sufficient sources to establish you notability as Wikipedia defines that term. You can see whether many exist [https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=007734830908295939403:galkqgoksq0#gsc.tab=0 by searching at this URL]. Put your first/last name between inverted commas (i.e. "First Last") and with luck there will be some. Then read all the other links you have been provided with and this essay. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:01, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Not shy at all to share my name, my full name is “Carolina Hernandez” my published book is “Una guía millonaria” right now the book is published in Spanish and sold in over 50 countries but it is in the process of being published in English.

:::All the independent sources that have wrote about it, or tv shows, blogs, interviews etc that have talk about it are in Spanish, I am just preparing for when the information is also in English, to prevent the wrong information to be the one published. Claroconcaro (talk) 16:58, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Unfortunately, as you may have found when you tried the link I provided, your name is the same as several other people, so that way of finding sources doesn't work well. You might be better to start by creating a draft for the Spanish-language version of Wikipedia. However, I don't know their requirements for sources to demonstrate wikinotability. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:19, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::Thanks Michael, that’s the thing, I meet the criteria under Creative professionals based on wikinotability, and what I am trying to do since I have a very common name is to separate myself from that, I know the independent sources’ links. Right now unless someone writes “Carolina Hernandez Una guía millonaria” too many Carolina’s show up. The guidelines in Spanish are pretty much the same but the community is not as active, hence me asking here. I truly appreciate your replies! Claroconcaro (talk) 19:23, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Another bit of advice: There are other places to promote/tell the world about yourself--your personal blog/site, social accounts, About.me/Carrd.co...the list goes on. Other than that, you already have the option to create a user page--which can only be used to state your goals/interests as a Wikipedian. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 12:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

I have been trying to post an article about Dr. Alexander Meystel (deceased), a world-renowned roboticist and foundational researcher in the fields of control systems, machine learning/machine intelligence and robotics. Nothing too dissimilar from his colleage James Albus, who already has an article on Wikipedia.

The only difference, I guess, is that I happen to be his son (only child, now ... ahem ... we'll call me .. "old"), and there is no one else left to speak for him or his lasting legacy on the fields I mentioned (his works are still being taught around the world, referenced in patents and papers, etc.

It is very burdensome to go through this process thrice++. Can someone please help me? Thank you.

Michael Meystel Meystel (talk) 20:07, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hello! Getting an article approved for submission can often times be a slow and frustrating process. I would recommend going through the notes on your talk page. Each time a submission is denied, they will list out any reasons why. You are also given tools to seek assistance either from the reviewing contributor or other sources available to new contributors. The Tea House is certainly a good place to start, but WP: Articles for creation Help desk may be more specialized for what you're asking. S1mply.dogmom (talk) 20:56, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @Meystel, and welcome to the Teahouse.

:A Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what several people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about him in reliable publications, and very little else.

:While your COI does not prevent you from creating and submitting a draft (and thank you for disclosing it), it may make it harder for you to write an acceptable article, because you may find it difficult to forget every single thing you know about him and write a summary only of what those independent sources say.

:(I'm overstating the case slightly: your knowledge about him is absolutely inadmissable, except where it is corroborated by reliable published sources; but non-independent published sources may be cited in limited ways - see WP:SPS. But such information will not contribute to establishing notability, and so may as well be omitted until the draft has been accepted). ColinFine (talk) 21:47, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello,

I've been working on an article for quite a bit of time now and want to nominate it for good article status soon, but I was wondering if there was an alternative to peer reviewing to get a bit of feedback. I'm not looking for an in-depth review like the peer review option would give me, but just a bit of constructive criticism on what I can improve before submitting a nomination. I've been doing alright improving the article based on its previous good article nomination + the various pages with tips and tricks, but I've never nominated an article before and I'm really not 100% on if I should do it now. Is there anything like that on Wikipedia? I've spent quite a bit of time looking, but found nothing (though, I am a bit new here)

Thank you! Reverosie (talk) 23:12, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:I don't think there's an explicit alternative. You may want to ask on the talk pages of the related Wikiprojects for the article. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 23:27, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

::I already asked on the article's talk page itself, but I'll probably ask at the respective wikiproject too. Thank you! Reverosie (talk) 23:30, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Talk pages are pretty dead unless it's for something like a country, major war, or famous person. Might save you a bit of time in the future. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 23:33, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Yeah, I just went looking, and the talk page for middle ages (where my article best applies) is abandoned to say the least. I'm not sure where to go from here and might even submit the article as a nomination tomorrow regardless since I've spent quite a lot of time at it. (though, I'm not sure how to do that either!) Waiting for a peer review would be useless at this stage since I had the article's failed GA nomination to guide me. Reverosie (talk) 23:41, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

I made an edit request at the Samaria article, can someone respond to it Emukettu (talk) 03:18, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:@Emukettu: You need to have patience. Please see this. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 03:35, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

About two months ago, my GA nomination of Equality was picked up, but since then, the reviewer has been periodically disappearing. I believe them when they say they are trying to make time for it, but given their reasons for disappearing, I'm beginning to think it would be better for everyone involved to let them off the hook. I'm not sure what to do. – Farkle Griffen (talk) 20:24, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:I think formally speaking you're probably allowed to withdraw the nomination. Not sure how to change the templates/notices to account for that, but the person reviewing your article might know. Just say you'd like to withdraw the nomination. If no one is actively nominating it, the review must end, formally. Mrfoogles (talk) 03:36, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:Interesting to see a GA nomination for a topic as fundamental as Equality, though. Don't see those a lot. Mrfoogles (talk) 03:37, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello. First of all sorry for my English. I am currently writing my thesis on this subject, and I have trouble switching to a different style than my usual one, so I can't improve the subject myself out of fear of being wrongly accused of plagiarism (or of simply using Wikipedia instead of doing my own research on current academic consensus). However, I can provide the necessary sources for the improvement of pages relating to the Muisca confederation: All of them are publicly accessible and I hope a devoted editor has the time and energy to read them, and then to change the Wikipedia page(s) on the Muisca for the better. Indeed, there have been many changes in Muisca scholarship recently (this does not mean that the traditional historical narratives are necessarily wrong). Here are the sources, they will contextualise everything and are fairly easy to read: https://www.banrepcultural.org/biblioteca-virtual/credencial-historia/numero-44/los-senores-muiscas (for this link you will have to refuse options for it to work); https://www.academia.edu/22398553/Mercados_poblamiento_Muiscas ; and https://sites.pitt.edu/~ccapubs/pdfdownloads/PITTmem09-Langebaek_1995.pdf (the last one will take some time loading). I know this demand might be bizarre, but it comes from the heart. It hurts seeing niche subjects cite almost only short museum pages/blogs/tourism pages instead of the detailed studies that exist about the muisca just as they do about the Aztec and Inca. I don’t have much time to argue about it a lot, and as I said I am not able to do the changes (big) myself (though believe me, I would love to, and I will probably one day). If a devoted user speaking basic Spanish and English with the time and energy necessary would have the kindness to read the three sources, I will be eternally grateful. There is MUCH more to this than 2 studies and a short article, but this can be a good way to improve Wikipedia by being informed about the muisca. After having finished, I am sure the editor in question will have the exact same eagerness as I have to improve Wikipedia pages related to the muisca. Maybe other editors with knowledge of niche subjects know what I am talking about. Kind regards, 80.187.115.196 (talk) 22:19, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:You may wish to bring this up on the article's talk page and the talk pages of the related Wikiprojects. The ones for Colombia and Indigenous peoples of the Americas may be particularly interested as the article is ranked top and high importance in those Wikiprojects respectively. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 23:25, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks for the link! I will re-post my original message there then. Regards, 80.187.115.196 (talk) 05:05, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

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Thug Life - Reel and Real

A Life Lesson for ever .........

Thug Life - Is it a tattoo - a meme or a Rebellion pose??

Is it waking up every day, staring failure in the face and saying — “Not today, da.”

Now let’s talk the reel and real Thug Life.

But the present version - ageing like our Amma's filter coffee and still tasty.

🎬 Kamal Haasan. Mani Ratnam. A.R. Rahman. Simbu.

4 men.

4 different battles.

1 loud message: “We’re still here. And we’re not done.”

After a big setback with Netizens almost trolling him to the core - a never before for Indian 2- Kamal Haasan at 70, walks into Thug Life

not like a man trying to prove something but confident of doing a new thing irrespective of anything.

And Mani Ratnam? He’s nearing 70 too.

He made a 30-year-old Kamal play a 60-year-old don in Nayakan. Now? He’s flipped the script. Making the same Kamal act like he’s 30 — with fire in his eyes and rebellion in his walk.

That is Thug Life - I feel.

It’s not about pretending to be young.

It’s about refusing to grow old inside.

🎶 Then comes Rahman.

Nearing 60 soon, still creating music like he’s got something to prove. He doesn't rest on Grammys. He reinvents. Every. Single. Time.

Thug Life?

It’s the beat that keeps playing even when the world hits pause.

🔥 And Simbu.

Written off. Doubted. Questioned. But Mani Ratnam didn’t just cast him. He trusted him when others didn’t. That trust? Simbu’s paying it back with every frame.

இனிமேல் நான் தான் Rangaraya Sakthivel Naickan. (Here after Iam - Rangaraya Sakthivel Naickan) - Simbu Roaring like a Lion in the Teaser

He’s acting, roaring and also

thanking in Audio Launch. That’s real thug gratitude.

So what is Thug Life?

Is it the life you flex on Instagram.

Is it the life you fight for when no one's watching.

It is Kamal screaming “action” at 70.

Mani rewriting rules at 69.

Rahman composing thunder at 59.

Simbu proving doubters wrong at 42

They didn’t drop a film. They dropped a message:

THUG LIFE

Don’t let your age, your past, your critics—or your own fear—decide when your story ends.

Because legends? They don’t age. They evolve.

If they’re living their Thug Life at 60's and and 70s

Why not you - Most happy to hear your thug life moments - irrespective of your age . VS Balajee (talk) 07:58, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

{{Cob}}

:This is an encyclopedia, VS Balajee. Please read a number of the very many articles that it already includes: doing so should give you an understanding of what an encyclopedia is. -- Hoary (talk) 08:09, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello,

I would like to create a new Wikipedia article for a company. Can anyone please tell me what kind of rules and regulations have to be kept in mind? Especially in regards to copyright infringement/violation and disclosing my identity as working for the company.

Please note that the new page will be written from a neutral point of view, citing proper sources of information. 167.103.2.169 (talk) 09:40, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:Probably a good idea to read WP:BOSS first and then WP:YFA. Creating an article is the most difficult task there is here, creating one with a conflict of interest and zero experience is ten times harder. Theroadislong (talk) 09:50, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

::You also appear to be evading a block on User talk:Sunehagh. Theroadislong (talk) 10:42, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

To Whom It May Concern,

Previosuly, a Wikipedia page with my name was available in English but no longer publicly accessible. I would kindly like to ask for your advice or help in restoring or recreating an English-language Wikipedia page that meets the notability criteria.

I am a senior expert in GenAI, AI&Society, tech foresight /policy with international recognition. I am an Associate Professor, a transatlantic Horizon Europe Research Project Leader, an invited expert for the UN, EU, and several leading academic and policy organizations, and a Fulbright alumna. I am the first who published a comprehensive summary/monograph of GenAI, Media and Society by Routledge/Taylor and Francis Group as the founder of AI Media Research - global hub, beyond several D1-Q1 publications in the emerging AI trends and strategic foresight.

If helpful, I am happy to collect and provide verified sources (academic publications, policy contributions, international media mentions, Google Scholar, ORCID etc.) to support the article’s credibility.

Would it be possible to be connected with a volunteer editor who could help review or re-upload my article? Thank you in advance for any support you can offer.

I’m highly motivated to contribute, as I recently participated in a Ringier–Hungarian Wikimedia event aimed at improving the underrepresentation of women on Wikipedia, where I was encouraged to connect with a volunteer editor to collaboratively work on an English-language article.

Thank you for your collaboration in advance,

Katalin Feher PhD Zenefuleimnek (talk) 13:20, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:The article was Katalin Fehér and was deleted after discussion in June 2022 at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Katalin Fehér. You may request it be undeleted and moved to "Draft:" space, where you can work on it to show that you now meet the criteria listed at WP:SCHOLAR. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:41, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:@Zenefuleimnek On the English Wikipedia we use a set of possible notability requirements for academics, listed at WP:NACADEMIC. Which of these criteria do you think you may meet? Your Hungarian article is far too much like a resumé and entirely unsuitable here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:47, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

::I expect Zenefuleimnek thinks "an invited expert for the UN, EU, and several leading academic and policy organizations" meets "The person has had a substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity." Do you not? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:51, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello everyone, I was looking for the biggest building on Earth in terms of population : some sources were pointing to the Regent International Center, which had no Wikipedia article except in Chinese. I was enthusiastic about creating an article in English (although it is not my mother tongue). I marked it as a stub, knowing that the community would improve it after a while. But soon after I created it, it was deleted and replaced by a "Draft" : Draft:Regent International Center. I don't know how to improve it to pass this step, because of language problems (not so fluent in English, I am afraid) and the lack of sources others than tiktok videos and tabloids. If someone could help by editing this article, I would appreciate. Damouns (talk) 14:00, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:@Damouns I think the best way forward would be to include your references and a picture in the main article on Hangzhou. Please read this help page on how to format your two sources correctly. I don't think that it will be easy to demonstrate individual notability for the building, although we do allow Chinese-language sources if that's what are mainly available: see WP:NONENG. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:10, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

::The formatting of sources was not incorrect, albeit not optimal. I have improved them, before seeing your comment. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:58, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:You need more citations, from reliable sources, independent of the building's architects or owners, showing Significant coverage of the building. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:57, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello!

I'm so sorry to ask another question so soon after the previous one, but it's unrelated: My account is now over 4 days old and has nearly 300 edits, so can I move my submitted draft into the article mainspace? If so, how? If not, can I delete my draft and re-create it as a new article that won't need a review? or do articles still need reviews even from verified accounts?

Thank you! Reverosie (talk) 23:16, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Your account should be autoconfirmed, and thus you should be able to move a page. There should be a blue "Move" button on the right ToC just under the header "Tools". If you feel the article meets notability guidelines, then by all means you are permitted to move it into mainspace. Be warned that it may be moved back to draftspace if another editor feels it is not ready. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 23:31, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you so much! The article is moved :) Reverosie (talk) 23:46, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:::@Reverosie Interesting article. Just one minor point: in Sibylla (wife of Bohemond III)#Marriage and conflict you seem to have an excessive number of "would"s. Why not just use the past tense of the relevant verbs? Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:26, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Thank you so much for pointing this out! I've edited the article and fixed this problem Reverosie (talk) 15:15, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Hey guys, thanks for your support. I need a hand with Draft:Paulo Otto. Anybody could help me in the way to publish it? Allyssonallan (talk) 00:39, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:The reviewer gave feedback as to why the draft was declined - you have not shown notability with reliable, secondary sources. Every source you have used was partially written by the subject of the article. -- NotCharizard ^🗨 03:42, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks for your support @Notcharizard This Professor is low-profile and it is difficult to find his awards elsewhere. Allyssonallan (talk) 13:19, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

::: Since he was a professor, it is possible that his notability can be based on WP:NPROF. The usual options are either that his publications are highly-cited and impactful (relative to the standards of his field), or that his professorship was the equivalent of a named or distinguished professorship. AfC reviewers are often completely unaware of NPROF, which is an extremely unusual deviation from the sourcing requirements of Wikipedia generally, so you may need to draw their attention to it. Elemimele (talk) 16:21, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

I am an independant film actor from bangladesh. I have lots of news references about my works. How can i publish my article in wiki. I have created an account today. Actor Farhan Khan Rio (talk) 17:42, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:You should declare a conflict of interest on your user page. You can find the information about declaring one here. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 17:54, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @Actor Farhan Khan Rio, and welcome to the Teahouse. You are very strongly discouraged from creating an article about yourself or your works (see WP:autobiography) but not forbidden.

:In order to write such an article successfully, you would need to

:# Find several places where people wholly unconnected with you, and unprompted by you, have chosen to publish material about you in reliable publications (without several such sources, no article is possible); and

:# Write a summary of what those sources say. What you know, believe, or think about yourself is irrelevant, and should not be mentioned in the article unless it is corroborated by independent sources.

:Do you see why this is difficult? ColinFine (talk) 18:55, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia have a random article button that'll choose a random page in a dedicated section/category?

For example if I'm looking at marine animals is it possible to have it show me articles just about marine animals? 91.150.188.87 (talk) 18:40, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:See Special:RandomInCategory. Peaceray (talk) 19:03, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

I've been trying to fix citation problems (going through everything under Q in :Category:CS1_errors: periodical ignored sounded like fun), and I'm kind of stumped by Jose Maria Quijano Wallis. I'm not entirely sure what reference [2], the one currently with the error message, was supposed to point to. I think it might be a reference to a book, confused with a reference to a library's website, which is now a deadlink. If the original book was [https://archive.org/details/GranEnciclopediaDeColombiaTomo5CulturaCirculoDeLectores1996/page/n23/mode/2up this], which is my best guess, then the dates in the article don't agree with the dates in the source. Stepwise Continuous Dysfunction (talk) 19:19, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:The Wayback Machine is no help.

:The editor who added it hasn't edited since 2018; but you could try dropping them an email.

: You can contact Luis Ángel Arango Library via [https://www.banrepcultural.org/blaa].

:If you don't speak Spanish, you might ask at WT:WikiProject Spain or :es:Wikipedia:Embajada Local for someone to help you.

:The Spanish version of the article has the same issue. If you find the answer, please fix it there too, or notify :es:Wikipedia:Embajada Local. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:24, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:I fixed the problem with that second citation based on the Internet Archive link that you provided. The full citation now is:

:*{{cite book |last=Posada Carbó |first=Eduardo |chapter=Historia de las ideas en Colombia [History of ideas in Colombia] |chapter-url=https://archive.org/details/GranEnciclopediaDeColombiaTomo5CulturaCirculoDeLectores1996/page/n15/mode/2up |editor-last=Melo |editor-first=Jorge Orlando |title=Gran enciclopedia de Colombia: tematica |trans-title=Great Encyclopedia of Colombia: Thematic |volume=5 Cultura [Culture] |publisher=Circulo de Lectores |publication-place=Santa Fé de Bogotá |year=1994 |isbn=978-958-28-0330-8 |oclc=164755392 |language=es |url=https://archive.org/details/GranEnciclopediaDeColombiaTomo5CulturaCirculoDeLectores1996 |page=[https://archive.org/details/GranEnciclopediaDeColombiaTomo5CulturaCirculoDeLectores1996/page/n23/mode/2up 24] |via=Internet Archive}}

:These two citations have the same ISBN & OCLC #. The OCLC is to another text unrelated, & the ISBN is for ESTUDIOS, DISCURSOS Y ESCRITOS VARIOS, DE J.M. QUIJANO WALLIS.

:* {{cite book |title=Estudios, discursos y escritos varios |trans-title=Studies, speeches and various writings |year=1908|publisher=Nabu Press, Tip. Italo-Oriente. |location=París |isbn=1246238489 |oclc=1246238489}}

:* {{cite book |title=Tres discursos en los festejos del Centenario (1910)|trans-title=Three speeches in the centenary celebrations (1910)|year=1908|publisher=Nabu Press, Tip. Italo-oriente.|location=Bogota|isbn=1246238489|oclc=1246238489}}

:It seems that this would be a better citation for the first one:

:* {{cite book |last=Quijano Wallis |first=José María |display-authors=0 |title=Estudios, discursos y escritos varios |trans-title=Studies, speeches and various writings |publisher=R. Roger y F. Chernoviz |publication-place=Paris |year=1908 |oclc=903480537 |language=es |url=https://hdl.handle.net/2027/hvd.32044082660226 |via=HathiTrust}}

:Peaceray (talk) 20:50, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

::This would be the citation for that last one:

::*{{cite book |last=Quijano Wallis |first=José María |display-authors=0 |title=Tres discursos en los festejos del Centenario |trans-title=Three speeches at the Centennial celebrations |publisher=Imprenta de El Nuevo Tiempo |publication-place=Bogotá |date=1910 |url=https://repository.eafit.edu.co/items/98495ad8-a763-425c-951b-1267ab99b76c |language=es |access-date=2025-05-28 |oclc=891372472 |via=Universidad Eafit}}

::Peaceray (talk) 21:03, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Thanks. I think the references in "Selected works" are correct now. The article is still missing a source for the birth and death dates that agrees with the birth and death dates in the text. Stepwise Continuous Dysfunction (talk) 21:10, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello,

I would like to write an article about Bring Back Euro Trains, a campaign that was formed following the withdrawal of Eurostar international trains services from the Kent stations Ashford and Ebbsfleet, Kent, UK.

I believe this is notable because there is still a lot of misinformation about whether or not international trains are actually stopping at the stations that are labelled "international", that is to say: Stratford International, Ebbsfleet International, and Ashford International. The services were widthdrawn during the pandemic and were never reinstated, and many AI language tools that scrape the internet for information about these stations are misinformed. As a novice contributor, I would value someone's feedback on whether such an article would be valuable.

I am connected with Bring Back Euro Trains (as a volunteer) so I would like to write an article which could be edited by someone independent. Could someone advise me whether this would be the right approach?

The aim of this article would not be to criticise Eurostar in particular. Several competitors are vying to use the line and the organisation has a broad remit to inform as well as to campaign.

I hope someone can advise me on this.

StephanieChicken StephanieChicken (talk) 16:01, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:You would need to show that the organisation meets the criteria at WP:GNG.

:You could start an article at Draft:Bring Back Euro Trains, declare your CoI on your user page, and submit the draft when ready via the AfC process.

:Another option would be to ask on the talk pages of relevant articles, like High Speed 1 for someone to add a section to those articles. If and when there is enough material, it can be split off into a separate article. Again, you should declare your CoI.

:I have left some other, more general advice, on your talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:11, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you for your quick reply and for your welcome, much appreciated. The High Speed 1 page correctly (and very briefly) mentions the lack of Eurostar at Ashford and Ebbsfleet since the pandemic, but not the impact this has had on Kent and the wider south east. I doubt if London St Pancras High Speed (as the company is called now) would be interested in a section on this. I will try drafting something independent, declare my CoI, and see if I can work within the guidelines. StephanieChicken (talk) 16:30, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Hello, @StephanieChicken, and welcome to the Teahouse.

:::{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}}

:::Your text above shows some misunderstandings about Wikipedia, (unsurprising in somebody who is new to it). You say "I believe this is notable because there is still a lot of misinformation..." - this is a complete non-sequitur. Notability is roughly about "is there enough wholly independent reliably published material about the subject to base an article on?" And whether or not "London St Pancras High Speed (as the company is called now) would be interested in a section on this" is 100% irrelevant to Wikipedia, because the company have absolutely no control or ownership of the Wikipedia article about them, any more than BBET would have any ownership or control of a Wikipedia article about them.

:::The fact that you have created an account and immediately started writing about a campaigning group suggests you are likely to fall foul of WP:NOTSOAPBOX. Please be aware that {{HD/WINI}} ColinFine (talk) 18:49, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Thank you ColinFine I really appreciate you taking the trouble to explain this. I realised almost as soon as I had pressed Send that companies have no ownership of articles about them, and therefore part of what I said was irrelevant! I understand the non-sequitur which you have explained well. Of course I am biased, but I also have experience of journalism and of writing from a neutral standpoint. But Wikipedia is a very particular environment which as you say I need to learn to navigate. So I will start by looking around at my subject of interest and see where I can add or correct information. Does that sound like a proper plan? StephanieChicken (talk) 20:10, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::Yes, it does, @StephanieChicken. But make sure that any information you add comes from reliable published sources, not solely from your own knowledge, however expert you may be. ColinFine (talk) 22:11, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Greetings, dear Wikipedians! This is my first question in the teahouse. I'd like to share a question about changing your username on Wikipedia.

Imagine you feel bored and you want to change your username on Wikipedia because of some random reason, is it possible to do so? Or is it not possible and you cannot change your username anymore?

Thanks for awnsering my question!

EpicSalmon (talk) 11:32, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:@EpicSalmon It is possible, please see WP:CHUS. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 11:35, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:I have an idea that I think is better, EpicSalmon. Allay your boredom by contributing reliably sourced, referenced material to one or two of en:Wikipedia's existing articles. (This is something that you don't seem to have attempted for seven months.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:21, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

::Wikipedia readers, let alone occasional or irregular contributors, are welcome to create accounts—it allows them to use gadgets and user-defined styles, for example.

::They are also welcome to change user name, should they wish to.

::You should not address any Wikipedia user in that fashion; much less so on The Teahouse, which is intended to be a welcoming environment for the less experienced. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:48, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

::Attitudes like this probably explain why some people don't contribute 🤔 —Matrix(!) _{ping one}^{when replying} {u - t? - _uselessc} 13:06, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

{{od}}That's a fair cop. I'm in a contrite mood. Sorry, {{U|EpicSalmon}}. But look, you say: "I really love Delft and its history and inventions." Seconded. And while en:Wikipedia's article on Delft looks good at first glance, it quickly reveals itself to be defective. As an example, it implies that the "Superbus" project is alive but hints that it might not be; though poor, the article Superbus does succeed in showing that the project has been dead for five years. The latter article has (well deserved) "citation needed" flags; and for me (and I'd guess other readers too), it also raises other questions, among them: (i) How did the/a "Superbus" get into a narrow shopping street (even if only once, for a photo op)? (ii) What happened to the "Superbus(es)" in/after 2020? This is material for absorbing research, especially suitable for somebody who (like you, unlike me) can handle sources in Dutch. -- Hoary (talk) 22:42, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi all,

I recently edited the lead of Yuri Milner’s article to include the descriptor “Russian-born,” based on multiple reliable sources (e.g., major press outlets and biographical coverage). This change was reverted with the summary “unconstructive change to nationality and removal of sourced material.” I’d like to clarify the intent and reasoning:

Nationality/identity: Describing Milner as “Russian-born” reflects his widely reported origin (born and raised in Moscow, educated in the USSR) and is relevant context, especially given his later emigration and renunciation of Russian citizenship. This is supported by [WP:LEAD] and [WP:ETHNICITY], which allow for origin when it’s notable and well-sourced — which in Milner’s case, it clearly is.

Removal of self-sourced material: I removed a reference that was from Milner’s own website, which described his citizenship status and identity. Per [WP:SELFSOURCE], self-published sources should not be used to support material about living people if the claims are in any way contentious or tied to self-representation. In this case, I believed it gave undue weight to Milner’s preferred framing without balance from third-party sources.

I’m happy to discuss or adjust the language or sourcing further, but I believe these edits were made in good faith and are in line with Wikipedia’s core content policies (NPOV, VER, BLP). Looking forward to other editors’ input.@Bb3 user Factcheckeralex (talk) 23:34, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:I believe the current/original wording of "Soviet-born" is as he was born in the Soviet Union. Besides, him renouncing Russian citizenship isn't important enough to warrant an entry in the lead - it's literally just one sentence in the body. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 00:40, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia's coverage of Chad's administrative divisions (i.e. provinces, departments, etc.) has essentially been frozen since 2012, even with the major changes that have taken place since then, including a major name change from regions -> provinces, with the last change happening in [https://www.facebook.com/sggtchad/posts/pfbid02ioNuvYwse9kLBbV9tLnTXUz7pp3hBZemmgjtL5JdxAC5Jy6j5goiKNicL4RfyMbYl 2024]. I've updated what I've been able to do so on my own, such as updating {{section link|Chad#Administrative_divisions}} to match the current number, but there are a significant number of pages that need moving, renaming, new descriptions and more, and it's too much of a task for one person. Even the map at Provinces of Chad is severely out of date compared to the map used by the government [https://ondd.td/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/RAPPORT-PROFIL-2018.pdf here]. I checked Wikipedia:WikiProject Chad but it looks to be defunct. I'd like help with figuring out whom to contact and where to go to start truly fixing this. Thank you. AG202 (talk) 02:19, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hi, while I'm sorry I can't help more specifically, try also WP:AFRICA and perhaps WP:GEOG. Cheers, GoldRomean (talk) 04:04, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

He

I am brand new and am making some changes to a page that involves a project i was involved with. I have added the correct info but the page will not let me add a reference indicating where I got that information from....HELP!!!

I don't know if this is the right way to go about asking questions here- if not- my apologies.... if so... HELP! :-)

Thank you and I look very forward to anyone who can help giving me some info.... Have a great evening- or day- depending on where you are. HOTROD213LA (talk) 01:15, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:It's a good place to ask, HOTROD213LA. I'm guessing that it's to do with your addition of "[13]" within [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Crossfade_(American_band)&diff=prev&oldid=1292820084 this edit]. Assuming for a moment that this is so: If you want to add a footnote that should be numbered "13", then you should forget about the number, add a footnote, and let Wikipedia's software arrange the numbering accordingly. (In this automatic renumbering, the software resembles word processing software such as Microsoft Word.) If you're editing "source", then: An assertion that seems to call for a footnote.Footnote that verifies the assertion. HTH! -- Hoary (talk) 01:36, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

::THANK YOU.. but I already took that out and still can not get the reference list to open so that I can add the referenced site.

::Any ideas?

::There is also something else I am tracking down to use for a reference that I would like to add so that information is verified and not removed..... I am sorry if I am being a bother but your help is much appreciated! HOTROD213LA (talk) 01:53, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:::No apology needed! You say that you "still can not get the reference list to open". But there is no such openable list. Crossfade (American band) currently has over a dozen references, listed (for the reader, not for the editor) under the heading "References". But if you want to edit this section, then all you'll see within it is {{Reflist}}. This is as expected: nothing is wrong. ({{Reflist}} means something like "Collect all the references specified above, and dump them here for display by browser software".) -- Hoary (talk) 02:15, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

::::i really appreciate it.. but when I do that the only thing i can do is edit a current reference- not add new ones.. Let me try again.....thanks again and I appreciate your help. HOTROD213LA (talk) 02:20, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::OK-- I SEE THE items on the left of the page.... but what do I need to put next to the name Randy Staub to get the info I add to cover that reference.. I am adding his discogs page. HOTROD213LA (talk) 02:24, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::I Think i messed up but the #12 reference is not even still on the page.. Darn it. I need a tutor on this..... :-( HOTROD213LA (talk) 02:28, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::::@HOTROD213LA WP:TUTORIAL has good info on referencing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:44, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::HOTROD213LA, the name Randy Staub only appears once, within after a re-mix from Randy Staub, an award winning Canadian producer/engineer. I changed this to after a re-mix from Randy Staub,TESTING! an award winning Canadian producer/engineer. I clicked "Show preview", whereupon I was shown something like:

:::::::5. Ruhlmann, William. "Crossfade > Biography". AllMusic. Macrovision. Retrieved September 13, 2008.

:::::::6. TESTING!

:::::::7. "Crossfade Myspace". Myspace.com. Retrieved September 2, 2008.

::::::-- though of course with links and italics. This was what I'd expected to see. (And then I clicked "{{Red|Cancel}}", of course.) Is the process different for you (when editing "source")? -- Hoary (talk) 08:54, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Not just Donald Trump, but almost every article I try to click on?Astrocond (talk) 21:50, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:{{reply|Astrocond}} Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. I know trying to edit a page and finding out you can’t can feel frustrating. Pages here are protected, or limited in who can edit the page, usually based on vandalism, other disruptive editing, or because it is recognized as a contentious topic. If there is a page you are interested in adding to that is protected, you can use the Edit Request Wizard, and this will add a request so that other editors who can edit the page can evaluate your request. cyberdog958^Talk 22:02, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:@Astrocond Your account will become autoconfirmed in a couple of days and then there will be many more articles you can edit directly. Not surprisingly, articles about Donald Trump and US politics in general are WP:Contentious topics and you should be aware of the extra rules that apply to these. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:06, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

I tried adding an atlas to the Halfmoon Township, Pennsylvania page but it won't go in the history section for some reason. Could someone explain why this the case and help me fix it. Thanks!!! Goonsnick (talk) 09:25, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:It appears to show in the history segment on mobile. The infobox may be forcing it down and thus out of the history section of the article. You can go into advanced image setting and move the image to the left side so it appears in history on a computer. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 10:38, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:It's an effect of standard layout process, where an image cannot be displayed higher than the population-box because the population-box is higher than the image in the page's source. DMacks (talk) 14:11, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you! @DMacks You are incredible! Goonsnick (talk) 10:12, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

::: {{*}}blush{{*}} glad to help! DMacks (talk) 12:41, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

James Bond a a role/office

I know James Bond is not political, but just like on the fandom site, they have shown the actors with the officeholder infobox, which I agree is a great schematic. Sean Connery was in the role from 1962-1967, established the role and succeeded by Lazenby, then a non-consecutive second term in Diamonds Are Forever.

That was one exmaple. See, the Bond role is so coveted, only 6 (6!) actors got the job. They passed it on. It's extraordinary how in 25 official movies 6 actors too on the role. Let's have the infobpox officeholder for the actors. DoubleDouble7 (talk) 06:32, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:{{u|DoubleDouble7}}, the James Bond character is many things but he is definitely not an officeholder. And this is not Fandom or anything like it. This is an encyclopedia. Bond may be best known as a movie character now, but he became famous in novels for nine years before the first film was made. Plus the character has also appeared in television shows, short stories, radio dramas, comic strips, comic books and video games. That is precisely why Template:Infobox media franchise is the appropriate choice. Cullen328 (talk) 07:14, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:That's an interesting idea, and of the top of my head it could apply to characters like The Doctor, Jack Ryan and Hannibal Lecter as well. However, I don't think you'll be able to convince Wikipedians to treat JB as an "office". You can try suggesting it at Talk:James Bond. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:16, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:: {{ping|DoubleDouble7}} you asked this question, and received a negative response. You then went forth and made the change four more times ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pierce_Brosnan&diff=prev&oldid=1292900056 here], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Timothy_Dalton&diff=prev&oldid=1292900206 here], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roger_Moore&diff=prev&oldid=1292900297 here] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=George_Lazenby&diff=prev&oldid=1292900418 here]). Why ask the question if you're not going to listen to the answer? WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:41, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Would like to ask how many articles and news clippings would be needed to determine notability of a subject...wouldn't want to put too many as it'll seem spammy, and wouldn't want to do too little to fulfill the requirements. Please help? Malaysianforchange (talk) 16:16, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:@Malaysianforchange Quality of references is more important than quantity. The best need to meet all of the golden rules. See also this essay and this one. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:25, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

::Hi Mike, thank you so much. I will revert with changes. Malaysianforchange (talk) 17:36, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Hey

I created this page: Draft:Special Operations Group (Estonia), should I release it or edit it more, as im not the best in everything yet. Keep in mind that I translated most of it, but I have some sources that I can use to improve it, but I would like to do that 1 step at a time after the page has been released. Minaolenkarl (talk) 17:43, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:The best way to get feedback on your draft is to press the blue button that says "Submit the draft for review!" that is located just above the start of the draft. I will note, just by a quick skim, that the sections "Formation" and "Activity" are completely unsourced - you need a source for each claim made in the article. I highly doubt the article would be accepted at this time, but you just need to find reliable sources that back your claims. Best of luck! PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 17:53, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

::Hello, its nearly impossible to find sources for said topic, other than a book, that I have as well. Can I do anything about it? Minaolenkarl (talk) 18:01, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:::You can cite the book, though if you cannot find a source for every claim then you cannot have the claim in the article. It may help if you see what sources your book used. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 18:07, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Hello, @Minaolenkarl. To add to what PhoenixCaelestis says, you may cite the book if it was published by a reputable publisher. If it was self-published, or through a vanity press, it is unlikely to be regarded as a reliable source.

:::Note that the existing of an article in another language version of Wikipedia is no guarantee that the subject meets English Wikipedia's criteria for notability: each language version is an indpeendent project, with its own policies and procedures. ColinFine (talk) 18:58, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Hey, the publisher is reputable, as one of the authors is the unit commander himself, and the book is published by Rahva Raamat, one of Estonians biggest book stores/publishers. Though now im wondering if I can cite individual small talks, that i have had in real life? Minaolenkarl (talk) 19:00, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::What is the name / ISBN for the book? Peaceray (talk) 19:01, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::"Sog. Eesti eriüksuse lugu" Minaolenkarl (talk) 19:08, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Here is the footnote that I would recommend using:

::::::::{{cite book |last=Saksatamm |first=Markus |title=SOG: eesti eriüksuse lugu |trans-title=SOG: The story of the Estonian special forces unit |publisher=Rahva Raamat |publication-place=Tallinn |year=2021 |isbn=978-9916-14-017-8 |oclc=1301998812 |language=et}}

:::::::This should render in the footnote section as:

::::::::{{cite book |last=Saksatamm |first=Markus |title=SOG: eesti eriüksuse lugu |trans-title=SOG: The story of the Estonian special forces unit |publisher=Rahva Raamat |publication-place=Tallinn |year=2021 |isbn=978-9916-14-017-8 |oclc=1301998812 |language=et}}

:::::::If you are going to be using different pages as footnotes, then I recommend using shortened footnotes like so:

::::::::{{sfn|Saksatamm|2021|p=}} for a single page or {{sfn|Saksatamm|2021|pp=}}for multiple pages and

::::::::*{{cite book |last=Saksatamm |first=Markus |title=SOG: eesti eriüksuse lugu |trans-title=SOG: The story of the Estonian special forces unit |publisher=Rahva Raamat |publication-place=Tallinn |year=2021 |isbn=978-9916-14-017-8 |oclc=1301998812 |language=et}} for the full citation.

:::::::Peaceray (talk) 19:25, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::::If you are going to use shortened footnotes, I would put the full citation under a new ===Sources=== subheading under ==References==. Peaceray (talk) 19:33, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::::P.S. You use {{tl|sfn}} instead of tags. Peaceray (talk) 19:36, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Hello, I really only use visual editing, as source editing is a hassle if it can be done easier(imo). Thanks though, I will edit as said. Minaolenkarl (talk) 15:23, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::Hello again, @Minaolenkarl. If the book is published by a reputable publisher, that's great; but if it is coauthored by the commander of the unit, that's not so good.

:::::{{HD/WINI}}

:::::The article must be based almost entirely on independent sources, which does not include a book by the commander.

:::::And as for your personal communications, I'm afraid they cannot be used or cited in a Wikipedia article: verifiability is a core policy. ColinFine (talk) 22:18, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::Hello, I used the book still, and submitted the page for review, though, I can still edit it if theres something urgent that is currently problematic. I fixed most of the citations as well. Minaolenkarl (talk) 18:27, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:I moved the page to Draft:Special Operations Group (Estonia) as there should always be a space before before a left parenthesis. I also did a number of edits to the draft that were improvements or indicated what needs to be done. Peaceray (talk) 19:00, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

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{{Courtesy link|Sunil Dutt}}

Hello sir,

I’ve been working on improving the article on Indian actor and politician Sunil Dutt. The article previously had issues like poor sourcing and structure and incomplete information, but I’ve now added multiple reliable references (India Today, Hindustan Times, Filmfare, etc.), restructured the content, and ensured a more neutral tone.

However, the “multiple issues” banner at the top of the article is still there. Could someone kindly review the current version and see if it’s appropriate to remove the tag?

I’m also a bit hesitant because one senior editor had discouraged me before for contributing large chunks, but I’ve been trying to contribute in good faith and improve the page sincerely.

I would be grateful to you. Your feedback or suggestions would mean a lot. Thank you! Gooshh (talk) 09:52, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:You don't need to address other contributors here as "sir", not least as many of them are women.

: Similarly, there are no "senior editors"; we all have as much authority here as any other contributor.

: The article seems much improved; I haev removed the tags. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:01, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you so much. Gooshh (talk) 11:09, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

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Hi, Recently I was suspended for not following Wikipedia guidelines and was tasked by an administrator with making edit requests on talk pages before the ban would be lifted, so I made one, but I don't know if that is what an edit request looks like. here is the link Talk:Nana Agyei Baffour Awuah. How do I get consensus from other editors on the talk page before being approved? Thank you. Funtiberry (talk) 06:52, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{u|Funtiberry}} You need to use {{tlx|Edit partially-blocked}}, not the semi-protected tag. I would also highly advise you to propose only one or two small changes at a time, to increase the chances a volunteer will want to invest the time in reviewing your request; proposing many changes or a wholesale rewrite requires a lot of time to review. 331dot (talk) 08:05, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

::Hi, Thank you for your insight and advise. Funtiberry (talk) 08:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

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: WP:SPLIT

So, me and some other editors plan to split the SWAT article into a separate article for Chinese SWAT. Now, since the Chinese section would be way too short, we plan to duplicate the current SWAT section on Chinese SWAT onto a draft and continue working from there; when we are done with the draft and publish it we will remove or reduce the content from the main article.

May I ask do we add the "Contents WP:SPLIT from Source article name; please see its history for attribution" edit summary when we make the draft(When we duplicate the current section onto a separate draft) or do we only add this edit summary when we publish the draft?

Also, the "Material WP:SPLIT to New article name" edit summary should only be added on the main article when we publish the draft right? Because when we duplicate it, we aren't adding anything new to the original article, so I assume I don't need to add it until I publish the draft and replace the content on the main article with a {{See also}} template. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 03:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:I suggest you flesh out the draft first. When it's done, and ready for publication in article space, only then split the original article. Otherwise leave it alone until the draft is done. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:49, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

::(My question simplified)

::The first version of the draft will be a duplicate of the China section of the SWAT article, do I add the Contents WP:SPLIT from Source article name; please see its history for attribution edit summary when I create the draft? Thehistorianisaac (talk) 04:55, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Sure, go ahead. It certainly can't hurt. I personally don't see the need for it if you are going to work on expanding something into a new article. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Ok thanks Thehistorianisaac (talk) 05:02, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

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Hello,

My initial submission of a new article about the painter and art professor Barclay Sheaks was declined because it didn't show "significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject."

I've since added one citation to my article about a book on Barclay Sheaks that was published two months ago, on March 13, 2025.

One question that I have is how I should enter a reference to this book. I entered a link to the Amazon website, and can also enter a second link to the Barnes and Noble website, but is that appropriate? I also cited its International Standard Book Number (ISBN) in my article.

A second question that I have is whether that published biography meets the criteria for significant coverage.

A third question that I have is in regard to a document that was printed by Virginia Wesleyan College as a visitors' guide to a 1988 exhibition of art works by Barclay Sheaks. I have both the printed version and a PDF of the document, approximately 20MB. This document doesn't show any copyright information, so I don't know whether it can legally be cited. The document hasn't been uploaded to the internet, so I have no way to link to it, unless there is a site where I can upload the PDF for your review committee to examine, to determine whether it would meet the criteria for significant coverage.

Thank you,

swoxo Swoxo (talk) 20:41, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

: Hello {{u|Swoxo}} and welcome to the Teahouse.

: A book about the subject is usually very good for establishing notability. Links to Amazon or B&N sales pages for books are not allowed, but the ISBN is usually considered sufficient for identifying the book.

: The visitor's guide is definitely a copyrighted work, whether or not it has a copyright notice on it. Its status as a published source may be in doubt, but you can use it as an offline reference as long as you provide enough bibliographical information that someone could locate it at a library or archive. Uploading it is not desirable. As a sort of gallery catalog, however, it is unlikely to count as independent coverage. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:57, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::Hello, {{u|Swoxo}}. Please be aware that An Artist’s Victory over Parkinson’s: The Barclay Sheaks Miracle is self-published through AuthorHouse, and the author had a lifelong friendship with Sheaks. Accordingly, the book is neither reliable because it lacks professional editorial oversight, nor independent because of the personal relationship. Cullen328 (talk) 21:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Thank you for the prompt responses. Since I have no sources that would count as published, secondary, reliable, and independent, I will abandon submission of this Barclay Sheaks article. Swoxo (talk) 23:01, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

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Hi all. I am new to Wikipedia, and was wondering what is the difference between "Ping" and "Reply to". For instance, if I am discussing an article for improvement with a Wikipedian called "X", which is better- {{reply to|X}} or {{Ping|X}} [In visual, both are appearing as @, but in source they both appear different]? Kindly advise. Or can we use both? I tried searching if this question had been asked before, but could not find it? Thanks.Neotaruntius (talk) 14:40, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:@Neotaruntius {{tl|ping}} is actually just a redirect to {{tl|reply to}}, meaning they're the exact same template. Which one to use is entirely up to you. [[User:CanonNi]] (talk • contribs) 14:44, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

::CanonNi Thanks. I did this simple experiment, which probably will appear very basic to experienced Wikipedians like you [for me it would solve a very basic question]. I went to source code twice in turn and each time wrote your name [CanonNi] and then added "reply to|" and "ping|" turn by turn. Both times, your name appeared as a hyperlink in visual format! This means both are synonymous. Is that a right understanding? Kindly explain. Thanks. Neotaruntius (talk) 14:55, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Not quite. In order to use a template in source mode, you need to use double braces ( {{ ) instead of brackets ( ). So for example, in order to use the template to ping me, you would type {{tlx]] (talk • contribs) 15:00, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

::::CanonNi I also discovered that there is a 3rd way to alert a Wikipedian (For example, in your case @CanonNi). Thus we have {{Ping|X}}, {{reply to|X}} and @X. Maybe you would like to throw some light on this? Or may be there is a page dedicated to understanding these subtle uses. Appears very confounding to beginners like me. Thanks for your inputs. Neotaruntius (talk) 07:38, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:::On talk pages where you can use the "Reply" option when responding to someone's previous comment, there is an icon that pops up on the right (a head-and-shoulders with a + sign). If clicked, that provides a drop-down list of all the people who have previously commented on that thread. Hence I can @Neotaruntius mention you and generate an alert but the software doesn't use a template: it places @Neotaruntius into the text. From that, you'll guess that typing the same string directly works fine provided you also "sign" with four ~ (tilde) characters. The reply tool is useful because it does the conventional indenting and signing automatically. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:07, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

::::@Michael D. Turnbull Yes, this is a marvelous lead. I used "(a head-and-shoulders with a + sign)" and got 3 names in drop-down list. That is a wonderful lead. Excellent education, Thanks. My question regarding using @ still remains.Neotaruntius (talk) 07:45, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:::(edit conflict) They are synonymous but your experiment doesn't guarantee this, it merely makes it plausible. There could have been circumstances where they behaved differently. When you write {{ping|X}} you are using Template:Ping. The heading of that page is "Template:Reply to", and a little below it says "(Redirected from Template:Ping)". It is this redirect which guarantees that they actually are synonomous. By the way, the notification is caused by having any user page link in a signed edit so you will also be notified by this edit when I just write User:Neotaruntius near the end without using a template. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:13, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Thanks. Honestly, it is getting a bit mind-boggling for me. Let me digest this flood of information gradually. Thanks to @CanonNi@Michael D. Turnbull@PrimeHunter [This drop-down list is wonderful]. Neotaruntius (talk) 07:57, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

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Hello!

I've nominated an article to become a Good Article, and I was wondering how long it usually takes to get a reviewer. Looking at the page, some articles got reviewers within 48 hours, and others had to wait multiple months. Are there any ways to get a reviewer quick? I was also wondering if articles with more viewership are prioritized at all in the process.

Thank you! Reverosie (talk) 20:57, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|Reverosie}} Hello! There's no sure way to get a reviewer to review a GA quickly. Right now, there are 728 articles in the Good Article nominations queue that need to be reviewed, and the oldest review is from September. But, as you said, sometimes reviewers take a look at an article fairly quickly—I tend to prefer shorter articles, which make for easier reviews, for instance. Try posting a message on the talk pages of any WikiProjects that relate to your article, but otherwise there's not a whole lot you can do to speed up the process. Don't worry, it will be reviewed, but it takes a little patience. Cheers ‍Relativity ⚡️ 21:54, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you for the reply! I'm just a bit worried about getting it before July when I'll be far less active on Wikipedia for the entire month. I already posted to the relevant talk pages, but this is my first time doing this, so it's a bit scary :) Reverosie (talk) 21:58, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hello @Reverosie. Nominations are reviewed when a reviewer actually wants and is prepared to review. Complicated, long, and/or articles with offline sources take longer for someone to take up the task because they take more effort. The longest I've ever seen a nomination take in the backlog is like 4 months. As you've been told, alerting some WikiProjects can help more people be aware of your nomination. Good luck! Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 22:10, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you! The article is 50,000 bytes. Is that too long for it to be taken up quickly? Reverosie (talk) 22:12, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:::{{ping|Reverosie}} Just from a quick skim, it's not horrible—about average size. ‍Relativity ⚡️ 22:47, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Oh good! I was a bit worried about that :) Reverosie (talk) 22:50, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:Virtually all of Baldwin IV of Jerusalem is sourced to a single book. This was published by Cambridge UP. Cambridge UP has an excellent reputation, but I can think of at least one turkey that it has perpetrated. I think that if I were nominating this article for GA, I'd try to think of a discreet way of pointing to a favorable review (in an academic journal) or two of this book. OTOH I'm pretty incompetent with GAs, so my suggestion shouldn't be taken as worth any more than you've paid for it. -- Hoary (talk) 22:31, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

::THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! I'll see what I can do about that + try to add more sources :) Reverosie (talk) 22:39, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:@Reverosie, sometimes it can take a while. Right now, there are over sixty unreviewed nominations from 2024. I've waited almost a year before. {{pb}}At a glance, I see a couple of things you may want to go through while you're waiting. First, double-check the public domain images on the Commons. They should all have an accurate reason for being in the public domain. Also, look through the article for any really subjective language. For example, the article says that the kingdom flourished spiritually. To meet WP:NPOV a reviewer might ask you to get more objective on statements like that. Two straightforward options to transition from subjective to objective, are to attribute the evaluation (who says it flourished?) or give tangible examples (how did it flourish?). If I'm being unclear, you're welcome to ask more questions. {{pb}}I hope that helps, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 20:42, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you so much!!! I'll get to this as soon as I can (I'm reviewing a different good article myself at the moment with a mentor) Reverosie (talk) 20:58, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

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I apologize if I'm in the wrong section.

I want to work on the page MacOS and add in some information I found online.

I want to add a new version which will be announced at this years Worldwide Developers Conference. The info found online lists a version number, name and possible design changes.

Would this technically be classed as Synthesis? [https://www.macrumors.com/2025/06/01/macos-tahoe-name-leaked/] Is it possible to edit the article with this info?

Thanks, Urbanracer34 (talk) 18:09, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:I'm not sure why you're worried about this being synthesis - it seems to me that you want to add the information that is in this source? Synth is when you invent a new conclusion by combining two separate ideas/sources. The more relevant question is whether this website is a reliable source for the information. I'm not familiar with it, so I can't answer that question, but if you ask on Talk:MacOS I'm sure you'll get responses. -- asilvering (talk) 18:48, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:Also, please read WP:CRYSTALBALL.   Maproom (talk) 18:54, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Got the answers I needed. Thanks! Urbanracer34 (talk) 18:56, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

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Hi: I posted an article for Corrado Codarini, a member of the Four Lads singing group a few days ago. How long does it generally take to get this reviewed/approved to be listed on Wikipedia?

Thanks, DavidinVentura

Draft:Corrado "Connie" Codarini (musician)

https://w.wiki/EMAk DavidinVentura (talk) 17:51, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:Your draft lacks the information needed to formally submit it; I will add it shortly. The review process may take some time. 331dot (talk) 17:58, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you 331dot: Working on Wikipedia is not that easy. I'm wondering what I left out to formally submit? And then if/once approved, how can I then hot link his name on The Four Lads listing back to his personal page listing? Thanks again. David

::The Four Lads DavidinVentura (talk) 18:30, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:::{{u|DavidinVentura}} Internal links are done by placing the title of the target article or page in double brackets; The Four Lads displays as I fixed your link to do.

:::You need a source for the line "He left the group in 1962 and became a restauranteur in New York and Ohio." Then you can click "Submit this draft for review!". 331dot (talk) 18:39, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::::I am so sorry but I don't know how now to add a citation number to the listing. I've tried several things but it's not worked.

::::The only public access link I have to show Codarini was a restaurateur after leaving the Four Lads is here:

::::https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/194899748/corrado_a-codarini

::::There is one at the Akron Beacon Journal but after one viewing, it is now firewalled and not publicly accessible.

::::It would become the new citation #2 and the others that follow would have to be renumbered. Again, the Wiki program is not friendly to those unfamiliar with simple code so I feel pretty dumb. David DavidinVentura (talk) 19:52, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::Please read WP:REFB for help with formatting sources but note that findagrave.com is NOT a reliable source so cannot be used. Theroadislong (talk) 19:57, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::Very well, I have removed the mention of his life after the Four Lads experience. Can you please submit for review and approval, thanks. David DavidinVentura (talk) 20:02, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::You may submit it yourself- just click the blue "Submit your draft for review!" button found in the box at the top of the draft. 331dot (talk) 20:05, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::I just did, thank you. D DavidinVentura (talk) 20:07, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

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: France v. Mexico (1930 FIFA World Cup)

Feel free to edit if you have more information. I will check for vandalism. Vandals. Cheeky91021 (talk) 17:14, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello! And welcome to the teahouse! :) Thanks for providing your article, but your in the wrong place. And plus, you don't really need to provide these information. Message by Nedia Wanna talk? Stalk my edits 09:55, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

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{{atop|1=Please don't use The Teahouse to "spread awareness". It is a place for finding help with editing issues, not a general noticeboard. The specific sisue can be raised on the article talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:36, 1 June 2025 (UTC)}}

Hello. I recently did some deep searching because I was very doubtful of the factual accuracy of the article List of best-selling mobile phones. I have discovered that, unfortunately many sales numbers on this article were fake/inaccurate added by Wiki editors a long time ago (around 2011) which went unchecked, and those same numbers were later picked up and reported by online media. I have detailed my findings and proof on Talk:List of best-selling mobile phones. Wikipedia is a fantastic resource normally, but this article right here is a total dishonor. We let inaccurate unreferenced information in and now it is "official" and "true" by the rest of the media. I am posting this here to spread awareness to Wiki higher-ups because action must be taken with this article. Knoxmann (talk) 15:30, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

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Two new links have appeared on my watchlist that are annoying for a couple of three reasons.

1. virtually two whole lines of whitespace have appeared at the top of the page
2. except for the links, to "preferences" and "edit watchlist" at the beginning of each line
3. I now have (count them) two links to preferences within a whisker of each other

Why? I'll ask somewhere else if I'm in the wrong place. Thanks. - Roxy the dog 08:38, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Roxy the dog Looks like a recent UI update added those links for convenience, but the layout does seem a bit cluttered. You might want to report it at WP:VPT for developer attention. Thanks! Jesus isGreat7 ☾⋆ | Ping Me 08:55, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::There is a related [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T395741 reported bug on Phabricator]. It seems to be because you're using the Vector 2010 skin. For now, you might want to switch to something else as it's bugged. Feel free to ask again if that doesn't work. Alpha Beta Delta Lambda (talk) 09:11, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:::{{ping|Roxy the dog}} In a wide window I see the links on the same line which also has other content. In a narrow window I see them on separate lines as you say. You can hide them with this in {{yourcss}}:

:::

div .mw-rcfilters-ui-watchlistTopSectionWidget-editWatchlistButton {display:none;}

:::PrimeHunter (talk) 09:22, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Thank you very much to everybody who has responded here. It has prompted me to investigate all these suggestions, and I've learned some things, and one of the problems is user incompetence. I'm a pensioner, and my eyes have got weaker, so I have compensated by using ctrl and + or - in Firefox to make the words legible (bigger) over the last few years.

::::When I set everything to 100% rather than 150% (really) after playing with window width and skin changes, I realised that all I had to do was bring the monitor closer, and adjust text size to match, and hey presto, I can see properly, and links don't appear where they shouldn't. Window width and text size combined caused my self inflicted problem.

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::::I wouldn't be an interface coder/designer though. Roxy the dog 16:09, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

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: Talk:Wikimedia Foundation

I have proposed a valuable request to change into the consistent content to meet the demand of an information box. See you there! 14.165.21.31 (talk) 02:39, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, courtesy ping @M.Bitton, I suppose, who declined the request, but I am not sure why the Teahouse should be notified of this. If you wish the request to be re-considered, please make another one. And, uh, what? {{tpq|It may take a while to search, but with your dedicated patience, you will soon achieve it!}} GoldRomean (talk) 02:49, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

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I want to add the "Arab/Israeli conflict" awareness template to the list of those on my talk page that I am aware of and therefore do not need to be template warned for any reason. What is the shorthand for that one in wikimarkup to add to my talk page? Iljhgtn (talk) 00:58, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:Something likeTemplate:Contentious topics/aware？ GoldRomean (talk) 01:11, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::Right, but then there are sub-categories of specificity. See my talk page for an example. I want to just add the arab/israeli/palestinian subject matter awareness. Iljhgtn (talk) 01:12, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:Use the code a-i, I think, should work. So {{Ds/aware|ap|gc|cc|blp|covid|a-i}}. Cheers, GoldRomean (talk) 01:14, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::Cheers right back at you. Iljhgtn (talk) 01:20, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Is there a list of these shortcuts? I might want to add some more. Iljhgtn (talk) 01:21, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Yep! At the template I linked above, there’s a collapsed section called “Full list of topic codes”. GoldRomean (talk) 02:05, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::Thanks. I added a few more then. The list really wasn't that long. Surprising. Iljhgtn (talk) 02:27, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::I agree, it is quite interesting… it is not unexpected that the Arab-Israeli conflict is contentious, but Infoboxes, for example, are not what I first think of when I hear the word “contentious” (though I do understand why it might be). GoldRomean (talk) 02:45, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::In my time editing I have seen people make quite a stink over infoboxes and all sorts of seemingly mundane subject matter. Nothing surprises me anymore. Iljhgtn (talk) 02:47, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Fair point. Anyhow, happy editing. See you around. GoldRomean (talk) 02:51, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

i may be slow but how do you make an article Conesfortheworld (talk) 19:21, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hi @Conesfortheworld, I've left a welcome message on your talk page with some links. Help:Your first article might be of use? Knitsey (talk) 19:25, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @Conesfortheworld, and welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia. {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} ColinFine (talk) 21:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

::With all possible respect to ColinFine, I would give contrary advice and encourage you to create the article you're interested in, after carefully reading the policies he linked. The majority of quality content added to wikipedia is contributed by new editors, and if what you want to do is create a new article - and that article is appropriate to wikipedia - you should absolutely do it, following wikipedia policies. Elliptical Reasoning (talk) 22:46, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

I’ve made many articles here, but most have been through red links and the Help:Your first article page. Is there any way to just make an article without the hassle? ’’’PhilDaBirdMan’’’ 01:39, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hello @PhilDaBirdMan. You can type your new article's title in the search bar and click the red link in {{tq|The page "Example article" does not exist}}. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 01:42, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks. ’’’PhilDaBirdMan’’’ 01:43, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hi @PhilDaBirdMan, Welcome to the Teahouse. This is my personal view as I actually follow this, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TITLE : you can replace TITLE with your desired article title as this takes you directly to the article editor. You can then write and publish it makes sure that it meets the notability standards. Fade258 (talk) 01:56, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

::Okay, will try that. ’’’PhilDaBirdMan’’’ 01:57, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

In WP:RMCOMMENT it says "All editors are welcome to contribute to the discussion regarding a requested page move."

If the page in question is ecr protected, does the editor have to be extended confirmed in order to participate? Mikewem (talk) 21:17, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hi Mikewem. Welcome to the Teahouse. An editor does not need to be extended confirmed to participate in discussions regarding the page move. I think, If the page is extended confirmed protected it implies restrictions only on editing directly to page, not to participate in related discussion and editing its talk page. Fade258 (talk) 01:01, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

::WP:ARBECR A. 1. says they may use Talk only to make edit requests. I don’t want to strike things that shouldn’t be stricken, but I also don’t want to leave them up if they’re not supposed to be there. Mikewem (talk) 01:25, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:::You're absolutely right on that but In my opinion, proposing a move request also can be considered as an edit request. Fade258 (talk) 01:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

::::But participating in discussion for controversial moves? Mikewem (talk) 04:01, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I was doing some edits on Michael Palance, but didn't log in (by accident, I should probably add some sort of note associating myself with those IPs), specifically as 2601:647:6880:8f3b:1032:e37f:e724:c055 and 2601:647:6880:8f3b:b152:ab9c:eb89:cf89. I don't know this person or have any personal bias. However doing some quick research yields that he is a person who has controversies around him. I added a section about this. However it seems he reverts any edits that portray him in poor light no matter what, claiming they are "libel". I reverted his revert, adding a quick note explaining it wasn't, in fact, libel. It seems he then logged out (is this just blatant sock-puppetry) and reverted the edit with the same edit message ("libel"). I started a discussion on the talk page, but I doubt it'll get much response given this person has only ever edited his article. It seems most of what he does is revert any negative claims about him. I am wondering about what should be done in this situation?

Ashwin060 (talk) Ashwin060 (talk) 01:02, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:I have reverted the content in question. If he reverts again, let me know and I will take care of it. NightWolf1223 <Howl at me•My hunts> 01:21, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

::And he has: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_Palance&diff=prev&oldid=1292996031 Ashwin060 (talk) 01:56, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Thanks NightWolf for dealing with it, to actually answer your question, those types of things, when not clearly vandalism (that would be WP:AIV), usually go to WP:ANI, which is what NightWolf did. Cheers, GoldRomean (talk) 03:22, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Sure I'll do that in the future; I haven't gotten into a similar situation before. At any rate the page has been protected, but the subject's last socks' edit has to be reverted.

::::This issue is resolved since the page is protected now. Ashwin060 (talk) 06:02, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

How to patrol recent edits to counter vandalism in a faster way? Like seeing the diffs already to determine if it's vandalism or not. Currently, I have to manually click the diffs button to identify the vandal before deciding whether to revert it or not. — ArćRèv • talk 22:39, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:Consider using Wikipedia:Twinkle. It's a gadget that speeds things along, and streamlines adding a warning to talk pages. Clicking the diff button is still required though. If you use filters, you can filter the edits based on what the computer believes are "bad faith". For example:

:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?goodfaith=likelybad&hidebots=1&hidecategorization=1&hideWikibase=1&inverttags=1&limit=50&days=0.04166&urlversion=2 Ashwin060 (talk) 00:40, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:+1 on Twinkle, I don't personally use it but it's also worth looking into Huggle (you need rollback permissions to use it, however). For your specific question, I find WP:NAVPOPS super helpful, which displays a preview of a diff when hovered over so you don't have to actually click on it. You can enable it by going into preferences {{arrow}} gadgets. (@Ashwin060 ping becuase not sure if you know about this and it could be helpful for you too if not). Cheers, GoldRomean (talk) 03:27, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks for the ping, I didn't know about that -- TIL.

::Best, Ashwin060 (talk) 06:40, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

{{Ping|PRDM 9}} seems to be translating content from other wikipedias (French, Spanish etc.) on pages relating to Peru, but, like on Pachacuti, he seems to not pay attention to the article he's editing. He added information already in the article and added two sources, one was a review of the source he wanted to cite, the other is weirdly formatted. He seems to translate very slowly, one paragraph takes several edits. 80.187.83.20 (talk) 09:16, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:User conduct issues are best discussed at WP:AN. 331dot (talk) 09:17, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi. Why [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abhay_Bhargava&redirect=no Abhay Bhargava] and [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Priyasha_Bhardwaj&redirect=no Priyasha Bhardwaj] title is in italic format? As I didn't did any mistake while creating it. Fade258 (talk) 07:43, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:{{yo|Fade258}} That would be because they contain the template:R from television program which would assume that the redirect title is a television program that should be styled with italic. However it appears that the redirects are actors. The redirects should not use that template. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:07, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

::Done. Thank You ! I have changed the templates on both the redirect and it works now. Fade258 (talk) 10:14, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

User:Borispugo/sandbox Borispugo (talk) 08:52, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hello. New accounts cannot directly create articles(which is what you seem to be asking to do). You need to submit your draft for review. I will shortly move it to draft space and put the appropriate information so you can submit it. However, you should not submit it yet, as it is completely unsourced. A Wikipedia article should summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the organization, showing how it is a notable organization. Please see Your First Article and maybe use the new user tutorial.

:If you are associated with this organization, that must be disclosed, see WP:COI and WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 08:55, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:Draft is now at Draft:Transform! Europe. 331dot (talk) 08:57, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you. No, I am not affiliated with this organization. I have added some reliable sources and submitted the article for review. Borispugo (talk) 11:28, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi, the 2024–25 in European women's basketball (A–K) article that I created has been nominated for deletion. But NOBODY is telling me how to improve it and it is frustrating. Can anyone tell me what is wrong with it? I have already asked twice on the AFD talk page but nobody has replied with anything useful. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 08:34, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, {{u|ILoveSport2006}}. Two editors have given you feedback. You perceive that their replies were not useful, but they see things differently. Those advocating deleting an article are obligated to make arguments based in policy, and those who want to keep an article have the same obligation. No one is obligated to satisfy you, though, even if you capitalize words out of frustration. Read their remarks carefully. You may be missing things. Cullen328 (talk) 08:47, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

::The advise you are talking about is so vague. What am I supposed to do with that information? I need something more specific. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 09:15, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:::{{ping|ILoveSport2006}} We don't usually use this format with numerous unrelated leagues (except being in the same continent) in the same article. There was advice to create separate articles, meaning for each country/league. Like 2024–25 Liga Femenina de Baloncesto, but it doesn't have to be so detailed. Then each article can be added to relevant categories, and the two long lists can be reduced to one page with links and Pan European competitions. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:46, 30 May 2025 (UTC).

::::Thanks for the more specific advise. So you saying if I simply make a page for every league then people won't delete the pages even if they are small articles? ILoveSport2006 (talk) 13:17, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::{{ping|ILoveSport2006}} If the league is professional then it should be OK per Wikipedia:Notability (sports)#Individual seasons but I cannot promise what others may do. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:41, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

It doesn't matter in any grand scheme, but just to pat yourself on the back and that sort of thing. For instance, I keep for myself an easy set of links to pages I've worked on the most on my user page, and I bold the ones I feel OK saying that I, myself, 'made' as of the time I added them to the page. A couple of context examples:

• Spore drive. Did not exist at all. I started and built the page from scratch. I feel safe saying I 'made' it.
• Saru (Star Trek: Discovery). In 2020, it was a <2k stub that was redirected, then I built that. I feel ok saying I 'made' it.
• Christopher Mellon. Had been a poorly written mess, killed at AfD, I rewrote from scratch and passed AfC. I feel ok saying I 'made' it.

Those are easy. I 'made' them, all with slightly different starting positions--didn't exist, redirect, AfC after AfD (for Mellon--I took over the AfC from another user and did not use their draft at all; cold restart).

Howevere, is it ethical to say I made these next four like the first three? I'm not so sure at all, and I'm inclined to say no, as I technically took them and expanded them:

• Abigail Becker -> how I found it at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abigail_Becker&oldid=1227917063 this link]. 5,398 bytes to 16,254 bytes over 120 edits (75.9%).
• Born secret -> how I found it at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Born_secret&oldid=1226388830 this link]. 3,658 bytes to 20,438 bytes over 89 edits (80.9%).
• Invention Secrecy Act -> how I found it at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Invention_Secrecy_Act&oldid=1183799240 this link]. 6,690 bytes to 37,579 bytes over 173 edits (85.6%).
• Sentient (intelligence analysis system) -> how I found it at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sentient_(intelligence_analysis_system)&oldid=1193133346 this link]. 2,606 bytes to 27,724 bytes over 566 edits (95.9%).

Like I said--it hardly matters, but I think about it now and then for the silly little bolding. How's the ethics work out on this? How much of the article needs to be you to fairly say you made it? -- Very Polite Person (talk) 15:51, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hello @Very Polite Person. Me personally, I don't really care, especially since you authored the majority of these articles. Terminology that I prefer better than "made" is that you "authored" most of the article, especially if you have 70% or higher authorship. Makes it clearer what you mean, imo. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 16:02, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:I agree with what Tarlby said above, you could also use "wrote" as a less-formal substitute for "authored". PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 16:43, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

If an attempt to be bold turns out poorly, should I seek help from other editors about the bold edit that I'm trying to make? 1isall (talk) 16:01, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hello @1isall. If your bold edit "turns out poorly" (for example, being reverted), don't hesitate to ask questions or help. Things should be easily fixed here, so don't worry. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 16:04, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

::I meant that when the edit is published, the final result doesn't look good, and then I have to revert it myself. This recently happened at Life Is Strange (video game). 1isall (talk) 16:32, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:::You're always welcome to ask others for help. The WP:PREVIEW button is a useful tool to see how things will look before you publish it live. And [{{fullurl:Special:Mypage/sandbox|action=edit&preload=Template:User_Sandbox/preload}} your user sandbox] is a good place to practice and leave work-in-progress chunks while you and others figure out the details before you copy them into an actual article. DMacks (talk) 17:01, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

::::I never thought of using a sandbox. I think doing so would be a good idea to see what works and what doesn't. Thank you! 1isall (talk) 17:47, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:::I see no problem with asking for help. That's what us other editors are for. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 17:02, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

i do this two times both of the times guys my article is rejected Directmedia12 (talk) 13:23, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:@Directmedia12 your draft (Draft:Hurshch) does not cite any independent reliable sources (the only source is the guy's own website) and is promotional in tone. This does not establish notability. Also, since you're being paid to write this, you need to declare it by following the directions at WP:PAIDHOWTO. [[User:CanonNi]] (talk • contribs) 13:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:Welcome to the Teahouse, {{u|Directmedia12}}. Feedback on the drafts has been left, explaining why they were declined, but the bigger issue here is that you haven't declared that you're working for clients, which means you are in breach of Wikipedia's terms of use. Please see WP:PAID on how to proceed. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:31, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

::Also, what is your relationship to the account User:Bro Abdullah? DMacks (talk) 14:56, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @Directmedia12. {{HD/WINI}}

:Also, I suggest you explain to your client that you need to do some training before you will have the necessary skills to create a Wikipedia article. {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} ColinFine (talk) 18:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Herbert W. Bateman IV/sandbox has been created and finished. Yet, it’s been suggested to go by way of creating a draft before uploading the article for evaluation and publication. How might I do that with losing the 80+ hours already spent writing the above page? Respectfully, Herb Herbert W. Bateman IV (talk) 17:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hello @Herbert! I just added a draft tag to the top. You should be able to submit the article through Articles for Creation by hitting the blue button that says "Submit the draft for review!" I will note, though, that writing about yourself is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia. Not completely disallowed, just discouraged. You will not only need a source for every claim your article makes, but you must also write from a neutral POV and declare a conflict of interest. The links here should give you a good overview, but also check out this page that is specific about the guidelines for writing about living people. Best of luck! PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 17:45, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you! Herbert W. Bateman IV (talk) 18:12, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @Herbert W. Bateman IV. To add to what Phoenix said, bear in mind that {{HD/WINI}}

:This means that, once you have found the required independent reliable sources, you will effectively need to forget everything you know about yourself, and write a neutral summary of what those sources say - and don't forget to include any critical comments from the sources. Do you see why writing about yourseif is difficult? ColinFine (talk) 18:12, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you! Your comments are most helpful. I’ll make sure my comments are very neutral. I’ve listed various sources that evaluate my publications. I’m still looking for where to place the self-disclosed comment about being the author of the article. Herbert W. Bateman IV (talk) 19:23, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:::That would be on your userpage. Click the red link with your name at the end of your messages, and it should lead you to make the page. Just copy the disclosure notice there and fill out the fields! 20:14, 30 May 2025 (UTC) PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 20:14, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello! Recently, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tally_Hall&diff=prev&oldid=1291175911 an edit] I made to Tally Hall was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tally_Hall&curid=9090396&diff=1292249138&oldid=1292174940 reverted]. Following WP:BRD, I discussed this with the user who reverted my edit but we haven't come to an agreement yet. I'd really appreciate more users to give feedback on this because I don't think it's being resolved as we both have our reasons to believe which version is better :) --cheesewhisk3rs (pester) 20:49, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:Please follow the process described at WP:DR. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi! I created an article draft about "Axtor (Argentine visual artist)" and requested a review 18 days ago, but no one replied. I just want to know if the request is still active or if I did something wrong. I used reliable sources like Rolling Stone and La Nación.

Thanks in advance for your help! Axtorino (talk) 13:45, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:@Axtorino, Draft:Axtor (Argentine visual artist) has never existed, and your account has no edits other than this one. Did you create it under a different title or using a different account? [[User:CanonNi]] (talk • contribs) 13:53, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

::...or do you perhaps mean your [https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Especial:Contribuciones/Axtorino contributions] to the Spanish Wikipedia? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:55, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

::@CanonNi @Zadkiel420 Thanks so much for the help! I just realized I created the article in the Spanish Wikipedia: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuario:Axtorino/Borrador

::I’m still new and learning the ropes, but I’d really love to publish it as a full article. If you have a moment to check if it meets the criteria (I used sources like Rolling Stone and La Nación), I’d hugely appreciate it.

::You’re both absolute GOATs 🐐 thanks again! Axtorino (talk) 00:08, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I'm honestly new to doing anything aside from minor edits so I thought I'd ask about this here. I came across Rūjiena Municipality the other day and noticed the 'See also' section actually linked to an article on the current administrative divisions of Latvia rather an article on the 2009 divisions. Whilst I was fixing it, I noticed that Administrative divisions of Latvia (2009) is a redirect to Administrative divisions of Latvia when it seems like it would probably be better suited to Administrative divisions of Latvia (2009–2021). What is the appropriate action to take in situations like these? Thanks. SodaGeyser (talk) 22:50, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:{{yo|SodaGeyser}} You could boldly change the redirect for Administrative divisions of Latvia (2009). Administrative divisions of Latvia (2009–2021) was created about 12 years after the redirect, and a lot has happened since them. A discussion could be held on a talk page, eg Administrative divisions of Latvia or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Latvia but may only be needed if someone disagrees with your change. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:30, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi everyone! I have written an English translation of the Persian Wikipedia article about Matin Alavi, an Iranian water polo player.

The draft is here: User:Matin2025/Matin_Alavi

The original Persian article is: :fa:متین_علوی

I have added the attribution properly and I’d appreciate it if someone could help me review and move it to the mainspace.

Thanks a lot! Abolfazlsadr (talk) 21:17, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @Abolfazlsadr, and welcome to the Teahouse.

:As far as I can see, none of the sources you cite meets the requirements of being where somebody wholly unconnected with Alavi has chosen to write in some depth about him and be published in a reliable source. Without any sources that meet such criteria, your draft cannot establish that he meets the notability criteria of English Wikipedia, and no article is possible. Note that different language versions of Wikipedia have different policies and procedures, and that English Wikipedia is stricter than most about notability and verifiability, especially in articles about living people. Please see WP:translation. ColinFine (talk) 22:19, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

::The World Aquatics site might be useful to verify the claim of notability, however, if only the link went to the correct page instead of the front page of the site. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:11, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Please check it again Abolfazlsadr (talk) 06:20, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Nothing to check. The links are still bad. One doesn't work, and the World Aquatics link still goes to a page that isn't specifically about the article subject.

::::See Wikipedia:Golden Rule. If you cannot find multiple sources that meet all three criteria, then you should probably give up on this topic, as Colin Fine suggested. ~Anachronist (talk) 07:45, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi! I recently submitted this article: Draft:Chris Christodoulou (Composer). I expected to get rejected, and I totally understand the LLM issue listed. What I am having difficulty figuring out though is how the sources I had weren't enough to qualify as a significant person. I feel like that is something that can't really be cited - people know him for his music from the games he has composed for. How exactly do I signify he is "significant"? Don't get me wrong, I know he his, but I just don't know how to show/cite that. Nordlaw2 (talk) 19:14, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hello and welcome. The draft was declined, not rejected. Rejected has a specific meaning in the draft process, that a draft may not be resubmitted. Declined means that it may be resubmitted.

:An interview is not an independent source, as by definition it is the person speaking about themselves. The other two sources you offer may not be reliable sources. Notability is demonstrated for a subject as WP:BIO describes, see the basic criteria. If you are asserting they are a notable music composer, you could also show they meet the narrower notable composer definition. 331dot (talk) 19:19, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hello @Nordlaw2. I have dropped some comments on your draft. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 19:22, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:For the draft to have a chance of being accepted, it needs to cite multiple sources that meet all three of the criteria described in Wikipedia:Golden Rule. ~Anachronist (talk) 07:49, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello admins/editors,

I have a question regarding the Talk page. Are users allowed to delete their own Talk page, or is admin approval required to do so? Thank you. Aona1212 (talk) 12:02, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:{{re|Aona1212}} You can edit your talk page and remove the current content. GMG^talk 12:05, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hi Anona1212, I think users are generally not allowed to delete their own talk page. However, they may blank the page. Deletion may requires administrator action and is subject to Wikipedia deletion guidelines. Fade258 (talk) 12:12, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

::By "deleting," I mean removing all the content (or selected parts) from my Talk page. Based on what @GreenMeansGo mentioned, I believe I’m allowed to edit or remove the content myself. Anyway, thank you so much for the clarification. One last question, does this also apply to other versions of Wikipedia, such as those in other languages? Aona1212 (talk) 12:24, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Yes you're allowed to edit or remove the selected content yourself. Probably yes, but I am not sure for that. Fade258 (talk) 12:33, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Thank you so much, @GreenMeansGo and @Fade258! I appreciate your time. Aona1212 (talk) 12:40, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Hello, @Fade258, and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes you are allowed to remove most content from your own user talk page, though it is recommended that you archive instead: see WP:UTP.

::::Each Wikipedia project is independent, and has its own policies. I would expect that other Wikipedias have similar rules about user talk pages, but I don't know: you would need to check each one. ColinFine (talk) 18:05, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::Hi @ColinFine, Apologies for late reply and thank you for your feedback. Fade258 (talk) 13:05, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

On the page about jumpscares, there’s a section about screamers, a famous and legendary kind of jumpscare found on the internet. Alongside wanting this thing to have its own article, I have just decided to replace the image for the section. Should I? 199.192.122.199 (talk) 23:17, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:I believe you're asking about Jump scare, and within it, "Internet screamers". The first thing to ask yourself is: What is the copyright status of the image that you propose to use? -- Hoary (talk) 23:28, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

::thumb

::this is the media I tend to replace it with 199.192.122.199 (talk) 00:25, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:::I was going to suggest that you asked on Talk:Jump scare, but I see that you have already done this. (Sorry, I have no idea who/what Soetermans is/are.) Wait and see what response you get. (Be prepared to wait a week.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:07, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Oh, Soetermans? Well, he’s an editor who reverted 4 edits made by me, all because they were unsourced. They WERE actual examples of other screamers, though. 199.192.122.199 (talk) 14:34, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Oh and get ready to see a lot an angry Sohom DATTa and other users in that section. 199.192.122.199 (talk) 14:43, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

The WMF-banned LTA sockmaster and troll Andrew5 attacked me on my user page, User talk:85.62.9.154 by putting a level 4im vandalism warning template This is one of his most common behaviors. I immediately reverted the edit after I got the message. What should I do next if this happens again? 81.36.103.201 (talk) 15:53, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:IP editor. The other IP in use has been blocked. Any further behaviour of this type should be reported immediately to WP:ANI. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:55, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

after becoming an editor before you are allowed to create pages?

Or is that not how things work?

Just curious and excited to be here. Thanks for any info in advance! HOTROD213LA (talk) 00:17, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:@HOTROD213LA: {{welcometea}} Editors are not allowed to create new pages in articlespace until they're autoconfirmed; that is, until the account is at least four days old and has at least 10 edits. New users are discouraged from creating new articles directly in articlespace. Common suggestions here include observing for a few months before attempting to do so and using the Articles for Creation process. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:25, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:@HOTROD213LA hi. You need to be autoconfirmed (made at least 10 edits and have an account that's 4 days old) to create new articles. You account was created just two days ago, so you'll have to wait a bit before you're autoconfirmed. In the meantime, you can create drafts and submit them through the Articles for Creation process. [[User:CanonNi]] (talk • contribs) 00:26, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you.. I am doing a lot of editing. I just wondered how long before I could create an account. I appreciate the info and will surely slow my roll- but the info is much appreciated! HOTROD213LA (talk) 00:41, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Was "account" a mistake for "article"? If not: you already have an account (which is User:HOTROD213LA), but you have not yet created your User page, which is why your account name appears in red.

:::You don't have to – many users choose not to — but if you do want to just click on that red name, type anything at all, and you will have created it. As to what to put in it, see the link I made above, and if you like look at other peoples' User pages (click on their names in blue) to see what theirs look like. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.154.147 (talk) 02:03, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

::::RIGHT ON.. will be working on that tonight. much appreciate all the help as I hope to become a contributing member of Wikipedia and help make the site as good and complete as I can help make it. HOTROD213LA (talk) 02:46, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

::::all that said and I do not see the button needed to build up that account.. But I share keep looking.

::::Everyone have a great weekend! HOTROD213LA (talk) 02:48, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

::::boy- lotsa soda today- sorry to be so wound up. Should I make my user profile read

::::like an entry? A resume? Bulletpoints? Any ideas as much appreciated! HOTROD213LA (talk) 02:53, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::HOTROD213LA, you should not make your user page look like an article. You shouldn't make it look like a résumé. But you're free to say something about yourself as an editor. Many editors like to list the articles they've started, made "Good", made "Featured", saved from deletion, etc. One thing I don't remember ever seeing is a list of articles the editor has caused to be raised to "A" class; there's a rare goal for somebody, perhaps you. (And indeed you're free to skip the whole thing. {{Noping|Trappist the monk}} is an extraordinarily vigorous contributor, but he -- I infer masculinity from "monk" -- has never created a user page.) -- Hoary (talk) 05:08, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::right.. Thank you. I wont make it read live a CV or promotional bio.

::::::I used to write for music magazines for around 8 years 1989-1997

::::::but really don't think that matters here. I will try to find a way to read others pages so I get some idea...

::::::Can you read someones profile by clicking on their name?

::::::thank yuo all again-- much appreciate all the help HOTROD213LA (talk) 05:31, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Hello, @HOTROD213LA, and welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia.

:::::::Something in your first question suggests to me that you have the idea that the best way to contribute to Wikipedia is by creating new articles. I remember twenty years ago when I was a new editor, looking desperately for a topic I could create a new article about.

:::::::But now I know that that's not the only, or necessarily the best, way to contribute to Wikipedia. I have made nearly 27 000 edits, but only ever created a handful of articles.

:::::::{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} ColinFine (talk) 14:40, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::Here are some guidelines for user pages: WP:User Page and here are some cool stuff for inspiration: Wikipedia:User page design guide I can do stuff! (talk) 18:33, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

{{Od}}

Yes, {{U|HOTROD213LA}}, normally (but not always), you can read somebody's user page (if they have one) if their name is linked and if you click on it. Recent examples, in more or less chronological order: {{Noping|Matin2025}}, {{Noping|Abolfazlsadr}}, {{Noping|ColinFine}}, {{Noping|Anachronist}}, {{Noping|SodaGeyser}}, {{Noping|Tenryuu}}, {{Noping|CanonNi}}. -- Hoary (talk) 05:58, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

{{Clear}}

Hi! I’m a new editor and have written a draft about myself in my sandbox here: User:Iamskrybz/sandbox

I’m unable to move it to the main Wikipedia space myself. Could someone kindly review it and help me publish the article? Thanks so much for your help! Iamskrybz (talk) 06:13, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, while I was reading your draft, I noticed that this is seemingly an autobiography based off your username alone, in (basically) all cases, do not do this. - Dents (talk2me 🖂) he/him btw!!! 06:50, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:And that's a good thing you didn't move it to article space, else it would have been speedily deleted. Autobiographies are strongly discouraged. Basically, don't write about yourself on Wikipedia.

:Bear in mind that Wikipedia doesn't care what you have to say about yourself, Wikipedia cares only what published sources that are independent of you have to say. And you cite exactly zero sources to back up any of the claims you made, making the draft a violation of Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, which require all assertions to be backed up by cited sources. Furthermore, the draft is not written in a neutral fashion, which is hard to do when you are writing about yourself.

:Answer these questions:

:* Which notability criteria in WP:MUSICBIO do you meet?

:* What three sources that meet all three criteria in WP:Golden Rule could you cite?

:If you don't have answers to those, you cannot publish an article about yourself. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:56, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

::So famous people only? My bad, ill delete it. Thank you Iamskrybz (talk) 07:03, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:::"Famous" isn't quite the same thing as "notable". Notable simply means that others have taken note of you, and wrote about you in publications considered reliable.

:::If you want to delete the draft you can put the tag {{db-g7}} at the top, or just blank the page, and an administrator can come along and delete it. But since it's your own sandbox, you can just blank it and re-use your sandbox later (like for when you do become notable) and sources are available to cite. ~Anachronist (talk) 07:10, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Clear}}

I would like couple of reviews for my first article draft on my user page Dahej Bhavnagar railway sea link bridge, from editors with civil/mechanical/physics background having high regards for original ideas. Kingcircle (talk) 06:52, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, {{u|Kingcircle}}. Your userpage is not the appropriate place for developing new content. Your userpage is to tell other editors about your accomplishments and plans as a Wikipedia editor. Instead, you should move this content to your personal sandbox space or to draft space. Cullen328 (talk) 07:20, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

::What part of Wikipedia:User pages makes you think that? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:58, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

::Actually Wikipedia Article Wizard directed me to develop my article draft on my user page. Kingcircle (talk) 15:22, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:Welcome to the Teahouse, {{u|Kingcircle}}. One of the references in the draft is to a Wikipedia article. Please note that Wikipedia isn't a considered a reliable source for the purpose of writing other Wikipedia articles. See WP:CIRCULAR. If there are sources cited in the existing article that verify the material (and you've checked that they do), then you should cite those instead. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:06, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

::I have cited both, besides the Wikipedia article I have cited is also about transportation between the same locations which are in my article. Ghogha is a suburb of Bhavnagar. The existing article is about existing Ferry service and my article is about future rail road bridge. The existing RO RO Ferry service ran in to trouble due to siltation problems from river near Dahej. So they had to abandon the Dahej port and shift the operation to Hazira in Surat which is way south. Gujarat state government also ran into financial problems due to ferry service operation. I am not citing Wikipedia article as a reliable source. But I must cite it for the reasons given above. Kingcircle (talk) 15:17, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:::There is no "Must". Do not cite Wikipedia (except in a handful of rare instances, on articles about Wikipedia). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:38, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Ok. I will not cite Wikipedia article. Kingcircle (talk) 15:53, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

::I have removed reference to Wikipedia article. Kingcircle (talk) 17:05, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

::@Cordless Larry, Andy Mabbett and Cullen 328. Thanks for reviewing my article. I added one ref. to Western Railway document and moved the draft to the mainspace. I still have one question. Am I suppose to remove the COI lable or leave it like that. Kingcircle (talk) 19:49, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:::That template belongs on your user page, not in an article, so you need to reinstate it at User:Kingcircle (which currently directs to Dahej Bhavnagar railway sea link bridge due to the fact you started the article on your user page). Cordless Larry (talk) 09:08, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

::::That problem is solved. I had never removed that template. It was moved to the mainspace as well. With in an hour after the move that template was removed by an editor, most likely Andy Mabbett. Thanks. Kingcircle (talk) 05:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Clear}}

{{Atop|1=Discussion continues at AfD. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:32, 1 June 2025 (UTC)}}

Hi all — there’s an AfD discussion ongoing about Damien Costas (link to AfD), which has drawn reliable coverage from outlets like The Sydney Morning Herald, Crikey, The Guardian, WAtoday, and AFR. I’m not the creator, but I think it meets WP:GNG and would appreciate neutral eyes. Thank you! CharlotteMilic (talk) 12:23, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:@CharlotteMilic {{tq|I’m not the creator}} ...but you are? Was this message AI generated? Anyhow, the AfD will last 7 days, during which you can still improve the article. Please do not canvass other editors, like you did [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Canley&diff=prev&oldid=1293200688 here] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Zscout370&diff=prev&oldid=1293200547 here]. [[User:CanonNi]] (talk • contribs) 12:55, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

{{abot}}

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{{atop|1=Correct advice has kindly been given. Special pleading won't change it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:03, 2 June 2025 (UTC)}}

I'm currently in the process of writing a wikipedia page being the founder of Intuitivstory Media Company. The brand and company has been around since 2007 and has never received direct written coverage in the press due to being a journalist trademark challenging the press. The company is starting to dominate the press in the UK, however journalists don't want this to be known and steal and use the content from the company. I am creating a page under my name to acknowledge a journalism establishment that is being hidden by unethical journalists. Founder and Media Company Director, Raksha Malde-Kara, Raksha Malde-Kara Limited. Intuitivejourno (talk) 15:45, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello. It sounds to me like you want to promote your company here- that is not permitted. If no independent reliable sources have given your company significant coverage, it cannot merit an article on Wikipedia. Wikipedia does not merely document things that exist, it summarizes sources. It does not provide equal time to all companies in a field, coverage depends on the sources. Please see your user talk page for important information. 331dot (talk) 15:55, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::Hi, the issue is that I’m non-HIV media and my previous colleagues in the media are all HIV positive so it does create some conflict and barriers do go up when you expect coverage for being an established noteworthy journalist who is in good sexual health. Intuitivejourno (talk) 16:30, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:::{{re|Intuitivejourno}} It doesn't really matter what the reasoning is. Without independent coverage, a subject does not qualify for a Wikipedia article. I'm afraid you will have to wait until such sources exist and try again then. GMG^talk 16:36, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:::This is easily the strangest rationale for notability I have ever heard, and I've heard a lot of them. -- asilvering (talk) 18:51, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

{{abot}}

{{lang|it|:it:Utente:GrawkTheCubeGuy/Sandbox potete cambiare il nome a "Mr. Man"? Grazie.|italic=no}} GrawkTheCubeGuy (talk) 16:39, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @GrawkTheCubeGuy. This is the Teahouse for English Wikipedia. Try asking at :it:WP:SI. ColinFine (talk) 16:55, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

::sorry yeah, i meant can you please change this article's name to Mr. Man? Thanks (here's the article :it:Utente:GrawkTheCubeGuy/Sandbox) GrawkTheCubeGuy (talk) 19:51, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:::@GrawkTheCubeGuy: {{welcometea}} As {{np|ColinFine}} pointed out, this is the English Wikipedia; the Italian Wikipedia is a separate project. You need to communicate with someone on the Italian Wikipedia, not here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:54, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Can a television advertisement be used a source for dating a products availability to a decade when you can not find the exact release date of a product Sharnadd (talk) 04:20, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @Sharnadd, and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't think this would be acceptable: in my view it would be original research. ColinFine (talk) 09:37, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

:@Sharnadd Wikipedians can be remarkably good at finding sources if you give them key pieces of information. So, you could mention that you want to get an approximate date by posting on the talk page of the article, if it has lots of watchers, or maybe in one of the WP:Reference desks. One possibility would be to find a published newspaper advert for the product and cite that as a date it was certainly available. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:19, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

::great advise will do that thanks sure it must be out there somewhere Sharnadd (talk) 16:05, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

::: {{ping|ColinFine|Michael D. Turnbull}} The difficult thing about this situation is that this information from the advertisement seems to have just gone unnoticed from people that have written about ketchup chips. I did a lot of research when I was trying to make this a GA and even after. I read a book about Canadian snack food history. I went through every mention of "ketchup chips" at newspapers.com. I haven't come across this before and it's important because it throws another country into the mix for "had this the decade it was invented" (people are unsure about whether they were invented in Canada or the United States first, just that it happened around the same time). It's frustrating when sources seem to have an obvious blindspot but there's not really much one can do about that other than hope someone does actually write about it someday. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 13:15, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Sometimes this sort of product will have associated patents which could be used to get approximate dates. However, Google Patents doesn't seem to have any useful hits for the keywords ketchup + chips. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:50, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::And the English company that did them in the 70s got taken over by walkers 20 years ago Sharnadd (talk) 16:45, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::Yes the only.patent that comes up with anything is a British one to add flavour to crisps and that's from 1938. Tomato is listed with a lot of other things and nothing to say the product went public Sharnadd (talk) 18:27, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

::::I'm sure that it is frutrating; but Wikipedia holds to its standards for WP:verifiability: if you can't verify it (and, more to the point, if a reader in another continent in two years' time has no way of verifying it) then it shouldn't be in the article. ColinFine (talk) 18:15, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::{{ping|ColinFine}} I wasn't disagreeing with you at all, there's two discussions on my talk page related to how I don't think this content can be included for that reason (and also because of OR concerns). I'm not entirely sure Sharnadd fully understands that there's not much that can be done at this point, though. I was just trying to sympathize that such an experience can be frustrating. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 00:47, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::I fully understand that a newspaper article and a primary source can not be used for information. Yes it is frustrating as there must be an actual date out of there of when they were released in the UK in the 70s. Sharnadd (talk) 05:25, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::::: {{ping|Sharnadd}} Okay, I'm glad to hear that we mostly appear to be on the same page now. Primary sources aren't prohibited entirely, though. Otherwise that editor above wouldn't have tried to see if a patent existed. It's the synthesis aspect that matters here. The ad in the source doesn't give a date for when they introduced ketchup chips. Hopefully that makes sense?

:::::::: I hope you don't find that information too discouraging. Feel free to ask me (or come back here to the Teahouse) if you're having trouble with anything in the future... I notice that a lot of people have left templated messages on your talk page but sometimes a more human touch can work better. I remember what it was like to be a newish editor, even if was ages ago by now. But that general sense of confusion and not knowing if I was doing things right or not isn't something I can easily forget. Perhaps your experience is different, though. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:19, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello,

Wikipedia article in reference: Denavit–Hartenberg parameters

I am a robotics student and during 3rd year we had to compute these parameters quite often. 4x4 matrices multiplied up to 4-6 of each (depending on robot) is alot of calculation thats extremely human-error prone.

I made tools for this (albeit in rust for CLI to use with my classmates) but I was wondering if I was allowed to make a HTML version of the calculator under Unlicense, open-source code and hosted on github pages (or another site suggested by you) and link it at the end with a section called "Online calculator". It will be a plain HTML site with just 3x6 or 3x4 grid of inputs, one simple button "calculate" and printed underneath the resultant matrix to help other students/engineers.

Is this allowed and follows wikipedia's principle of open, ad-free, shared knowledge or not allowed?

Thank you! FcGod (talk) 09:16, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:Welcome to The Teahouse. Please raise a discussion on the article's talk page: Talk:Denavit–Hartenberg parameters (you can then post a short pointer to that discussion, on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Robotics.) If there is consensus to include it, it will need to go in a section headed "External links", at the foot of the page. See also WP:EL. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:08, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Currently I am facing a life ban from editing Wikipedia and I am in a desperate situation to prove my mettle and continue to share my passion in writing up articles. I know its not easy to get a second chance in life as it is a principle familiar to everyone in common. I admit my mistakes regarding being lengthy articles and copyright issues. I want to come back and do my best. I can possibly make sure to ensure the quality of the articles and hope that the admins can cut me some slack and relax the restrictions imposed on me. I regret of not complying with certain guidelines, but I am trying to make a comeback of all sorts to go back to the drawing board to maintain a standardized way of writing. Just like Indian cricketer Karun Nair's famous lines "Dear Cricket, Give me one more chance" I want to echo the same feelings right now with my own version of "Dear Wikipedia, Give me one more chance". Abishe (talk) 07:23, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Abishe Though I’m not an admin, your block was due to repeated copyright issues WP:COPYVIO and poor-quality edits WP:NOT, WP:COMPETENCE despite previous warnings. You'll need to show clear understanding of the rules to request an unblock. Jesus isGreat7 ☾⋆ | Ping Me 07:28, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:See WP:Standard offer for one approach.a Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:11, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

i posted clear info on my favorite actor and was wrongfully reverted by Ahnn 47.154.113.183 (talk) 04:09, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:Your Edit was not constructive at all. Untamed1910 (talk) 04:24, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:The person you're referring to is Dwayne Johnson, not Duane Johnson (the article you edited). Also if you want to discuss with me please create a new discussion instead of editing old discussions on my talk page. Thank you. Annh07 (talk) 04:28, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:This is a page for asking for advice on how to edit Wikipedia, not an appeal court.

:Follow WP:DR and discuss your edits on the article talk page or the talk page of the editor concerned. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:15, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

В Николаеве все говорят на русском языке,украинский язык используют только жители сельской местности.Так жителей села отличают от городских 85.238.102.57 (talk) 01:53, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hi! This is the English Wikipedia, so please communicate in English. GoldRomean (talk) 02:06, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::{{Ping|GoldRomean}} This is The Teahouse. We welcome questions from all who ask them in good faith. If you can't help, please leave it to others to do so. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:29, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:Your point seems to relate to Mykolaiv; you can raise it on Talk:Mykolaiv or, if you prefer to write in Russian, at Wikipedia talk:Local Embassy.

:[ {{lang|ru|Ваша точка зрения, похоже, касается Mykolaiv; вы можете поднять ее на Talk:Mykolaiv или, если вы предпочитаете писать по-русски, на Wikipedia talk:Local Embassy.}} ] Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:34, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

“Hi, I’ve drafted a neutral, sourced article about an emerging Nigerian singer named Roxy Layne. I’d appreciate it if an experienced editor could review or help me format and submit the article through the Article Wizard.” Whoisrenyin (talk) 19:43, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:I have moved your draft page from your talk page to User:Whoisrenyin/Sandbox. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:49, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @Whoisrenyin, and welcome to the Teahouse.

:Please see my reply to a previous question on this page.

:{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} ColinFine (talk) 21:27, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:@Whoisrenyin The most obvious problem with your draft is that it provides only one source and that is an Apple Music page, so not independent of Layne. I suspect you have been writing your draft backwards and you should read that link to see why that's a bad idea. By Wikipedia policy all biographies of living people must contain full incline citations. They also need to show how the person is wikinotable. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:32, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Clear}}

{{atop|1=Correct advice has kindly been given, This is not the place to debate the actions of other editors. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:52, 2 June 2025 (UTC)}}

I have asked another user to stay off my talk page, but then they came back to it, as well as seem to be following my edits around in many areas all of a sudden. What is the standard recourse here? Iljhgtn (talk) 10:00, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:Follow the process described at WP:DR. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

: {{u|Iljhgtn}}, per the guideline on the use of user pages, you may remove comments on your own talk page that you do not wish to have there. You are within your rights to ask other users to stay off your Talk page; see WP:USERTALKSTOP for details. If they keep coming back regardless, ask again, and if that still doesn't work, you could either go to WP:AN, or request admin help by asking an administrator to intervene right on your Talk page, by adding {{t|Help admin}} to the discussion along with your request for help. Finally, if they appear to be following you around at several different articles see WP:HOUNDING for how to respond, but first assume good faith–it could be they have some similar articles on their watchlist. But if you believe hounding is a problem, once again, first ask them to stop, but if the behavior persists, request help from an admin. Hope this helps! Mathglot (talk) 14:47, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:I looked at the conversation up until you wrote "stop your threats" but I saw no threats, just civil discourse and an admonition against making personal remarks, which was appropriate. That particular editor you're referring to is an administrator, and the job of an administrator is to ensure stability of the Wikipedia project. If you have attracted an admin's attention as someone who could potentially be disruptive (particularly if there's a misunderstanding of what "no consensus" actually means), it is understandable that the administrator will monitor your activity. I also monitor other editors (mostly paid editors) until I am confident that they aren't going to be a source of instability. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

::This particular administrator was also sternly warned for their behavior by arbcom related to a massive campaign which then resulted in indef-blocks and numerous topic bans for many other editors that were editing similar subject matter to the warned admin. Iljhgtn (talk) 16:20, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

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hello, I have been working to get a page together on an Australian poet, Jim Gordon.( Draft:James Gordon (poet))

I have been working with Fritzmann2002 as a mentor but have not heard from him for quite a while.

My last message to him was to ask if he could have a look at the latest draft and advise if he thought it was ready to be put up for review - would be happy for some feedback on this as it's been sitting around for a while now.

many thanks

RomeoHT RomeoHT (talk) 02:06, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:It's fascinating, RomeoHT, but I regret to say that the references are formatted most oddly. I thought I'd have a go at explaining what has gone wrong and how to fix it, but I quickly realized that I was too tired to do this effectively (or perhaps to do it at all). I encourage some other person here who both (i) knows their way around referencing and (ii) can devote twenty minutes or longer to diagnosis and explanation, to have a try. Once the references are fixed, there's some humdrum editing work to be done. (As an example: You'd call the subject "Jim" when needing to distinguish him from one or more others surnamed Gordon. Otherwise, he's "Gordon". Thus not "Leigh is holding Jim's scrapbook" but instead "Marchant is holding Gordon's scrapbook". Though of course if you quote something that refers to him as "Jim", you leave this as is.) After the needed work has been done on this draft, it should qualify as an article (and a very readable one too). -- Hoary (talk) 09:39, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:@RomeoHT For general referencing help, see this page. You are going to want to use a lot of {{t|cite news}} templates for the references from The Irrigator. I believe that that newspaper has been digitised and it would be great if you could link out to the digital copies for your references. Several references cite letters. I'm afraid that these can't be used unless published somewhere (even if in an obscure library). Verification by readers is a key Wikipedia policy. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:59, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

::The Irrigator is available at newspapers.com:

::* {{cite web |title=The Murrumbidgee Irrigator Archive |website=Newspapers.com |url=https://www.newspapers.com/paper/the-murrumbidgee-irrigator/35506/?locale=en-US |ref=none |access-date=2025-05-29}}

::Peaceray (talk) 17:52, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:Please see my comments at Draft talk:James Gordon (poet). It seems that among the linked data sources, he was better known as Jim Grahame. The draft should be renamed to that name. Peaceray (talk) 17:49, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

::I thought so too but, on reflection, as he had 3 pen names, I suggest the page should be named as is. Suggest, see new lead/lede. ash (talk) 12:53, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:::{{Ping|Mmemaigret|label=ash}} He might have had three pen names, but Jim Grahame is the WP:COMMONNAME. Have a look at the linked data:

:::{{authority control|qid=Q134608045}} Peaceray (talk) 03:24, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{U|RomeoHT}}, on Draft talk:James Gordon (poet), I've posted a recipe for fixing the references. -- Hoary (talk) 22:19, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

:I've copy-edited the page and turned the manual citations into "basic" inline citations but suggest these basic citations need to be tidied up before the page is submitted for review. (Will come back to them if I can.) - ash (talk) 12:52, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::thank you for that! Have added titles to the references that were missing them - another step forward!

::cheers

::RomeoHT 2403:5818:E461:0:8590:1B3F:C0F6:F2E8 (talk) 10:18, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:::@RomeoHT I think the draft is good enough for review now. (Good luck.) ash (talk) 15:05, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

::::thanks - I am now just trying to work out how to remove 2 of the references that relate to personal letters - references 12 and 15 - as I understand these are not useful for this type of article.

::::Can you help?

::::cheers,

::::RomeoHT RomeoHT (talk) 01:13, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::I left them in. They're fine in the circumstances - because you've got sufficient reliable secondary sources. If you can find more information about them, particularly a link to where they exist or a url, you can add that later. You can also add independent secondary sources later.

:::::By the way, the page has been reviewed and published.

:::::-ash (talk) 12:53, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::{{ping|RomeoHT}} But to answer your question, when you click on "edit" at the top, you enter visual editing. You can just highlight the references, press delete, and save the page.

::::::But I'd leave them because you haven't got a better source and the information will be hidden. I would suggest you do what @Hoary suggested and look for copies of the dox in publicly accessible archives. Have you tried archive.org? ash (talk) 13:07, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::I thought I actually tried that a couple of times with no luck..........but thanks for the clue.

:::::::The page has been published!?.............not really sure how that happened but ok, that was the point of the exercise!!

:::::::thanks

:::::::RomeoHT RomeoHT (talk) 13:30, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::It has been moved to the article space. Peaceray (talk) 18:46, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

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I found this list that is outdated and obsolete. Should I archive it or merge the contents into a more comprehensive page?

I tried editing it, but it requires basically a rewrite. I am now wondering what I should do with it.

Also are autoconfirmed users allowed to archive lists/articles? KimAtSTEM (talk) 07:58, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, {{u|KimAtSTEM}}. There is no requirement that an article be up to date, although updating articles is a good thing to do. With seven million articles now, it is inevitable that many articles should be updated, but should is not the same as must. Archiving is a process that applies to talk pages and noticeboards, but does not apply to articles, and list articles are articles. Obsolete is not a concept that we apply to encyclopedia articles because notability is not temporary and even outdated articles are of historic interest and provide the basis for expansion and improvement. Merging is a possibility if there is an appropriate target. See WP:MERGE for details. Making the article "go away" is not an option unless it never should have been created in the first place, which seems unlikely. The least you can do is express your concerns in detail at Talk: Train routes in the Netherlands. You could then tag the article with Template:Update. Cullen328 (talk) 08:37, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

::Got it, thank you! KimAtSTEM (talk) 23:40, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

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So, unfortunately, I was logged out of my account, and whenever I try to log in, the following text message appears: “There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking.” It also further mentions that it may be due to my cookie settings. Well, I can’t access that due to this exact problem. If anyone could help me, I’d be very thankful. BTW, my account is “Long-live-ALOPUS”. 2405:201:550B:B035:4D53:E7E5:E095:579 (talk) 12:19, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:Clear the browser cache and try agian. Fade258 (talk) 12:37, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

::I’ve tried it, and it still isn’t working... what can I now do? 2405:201:550B:B035:4D53:E7E5:E095:579 (talk) 12:56, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Do a hard refresh (ctrl + F5) and try again. If that doesn't work, try logging in from a different device. WP:VPT might be a better place for tech issues like this. [[User:CanonNi]] (talk • contribs) 13:06, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

::::I use an iPad, and I don’t have a PC. 2405:201:550B:B035:E97F:4EF2:5810:DF76 (talk) 14:19, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::On an iPad or iPhone, you can refresh a browser page by dragging your finger down the screen until a spinning circle appears, then let go and the page should refresh. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 01:04, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::I tried it, and it hasn’t worked! I believe it’s because I’ve completed one year of being an editor, but if that’s the case, it wouldn’t explain why I’m able to log in with my mom’s phone... 2405:201:550B:B035:558D:AC4E:10A7:1B6C (talk) 05:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::::What should I do now?! Nothing is working... 2405:201:550B:B035:CC34:4198:F447:A17 (talk) 08:25, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

::::But instead of the English Wikipedia, I’m able to log in to the Arabic and Hindi Wikipedia p, as well as Wikispecies... 2405:201:550B:B035:E97F:4EF2:5810:DF76 (talk) 14:23, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

::You may be able to delete the cookies in Safari on the iPad. But I do not know how that is done. That should properly log you off. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:24, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:::Well, I want to log IN. And, I can’t p, and IDK why... it just rejects everything and says it incountered a problem. I’ve deleted the cookies, but nothing is working. 2405:201:550B:B035:FC82:3345:E73B:F763 (talk) 14:31, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Ask on WP:VPT, giving details of the device you are using. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:27, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::Done that. Thank you all for your help! 2405:201:550B:B035:2C3C:1B6A:52CB:259A (talk) 17:03, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

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I just added that I saw the F-117 was featured in the movie The Philadelphia Experiment 2 and when I saw the article on the F-117 I saw it wasn’t mentioning the appearance of the plane in the movie so I added that it appeared as The Phoenix in that film is it okay? Lordofcallofduty (talk) 02:09, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:@Lordofcallofduty Your edit doesn’t seem to have any citation! Wikipedia doesn’t allow unsourced claims or personal observations. I’d suggest adding a reliable source, or it will be removed. Jesus isGreat7 ☾⋆ | Ping Me 04:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

::Did you even see the article on the movie Philadelphia Experiment 2 it says F-117 so when I checked the aircraft in fiction on it I didn’t see it Lordofcallofduty (talk) 02:03, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:::@Lordofcallofduty The details about the aircraft in both articles don’t have citations to verify them. As mentioned earlier, please try finding a reliable source to support your claim. Pls see WP:V and WP:OR. Unsourced or original observations can’t be included. Jesus isGreat7 ☾⋆ | Ping Me 02:48, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::::The film has the F-117 as the Phoenix so I wanted to make it clear that the F-117 appeared in the film

::::I was trying to help! Lordofcallofduty (talk) 02:08, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::@Lordofcallofduty Adding uncited content and calling it help doesn’t really work on Wikipedia, does it? Jesus isGreat7 ☾⋆ | Ping Me 06:03, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::I saw it had it and I tried to help I didn’t know this would happen! Lordofcallofduty (talk) 10:35, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

I attempted to add commons public domain files for Marx Brothers. These were video taken from the public domain film The Cocoanuts of Harpo plaing harp and Chico playing piano. I was told to reach consensus to add them, but I don't think a converation will take place in months if I submit to the talk page.

Granted the Laurel and Hardy edit may have been warranted, but it was simply a revert back to 2021 when a higher quality black and white publicity shot was the lead, and what I felt was better suited than a colourized still. MarcoMarxBrother (talk) 21:57, 1 June 2025 (UTC){{sock vote|Oatsandcream}}

:You don't need to wait forever for a general conversation to take place and conclude; but you at least should discuss with the editors that reverted you. If discussion with the editors fails to reach a consensus, you can move to dispute resolution. 331dot (talk) 22:12, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

One of my articles was recently declined for lack of sources, and I have a bunch of radio show segments that could serve as sources, but I have no idea how to cite them. Is there a way that I could do that? WhyFencePost (talk) 01:14, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:Are those radio show segments durably archived somewhere? If so, you can use the template {{tl|cite AV media}} to create pre-formatted citations. Ca ^{talk to me!} 02:15, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

::Question about independence in this case, if the copy of the talk show is hosted on the website that is not independent, but the producing talk show is, is it permissible to include the talk show using the link from the non-independent site? Its for a play, and they got talked about on the show in to celebrate it put it on their site and it is one of the few records that survive. WhyFencePost (talk) 02:22, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Yes, certainly. As long as the original talk show is produced by an independent entity, it doesn't matter where it is hosted. Even if the source was not independent, it is still permissible to cite it for basic non-controversial facts. Ca ^{talk to me!} 02:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Perfect thank you, yes it is completely independant (a radio show talking about a high school) WhyFencePost (talk) 02:26, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

What are some other ways to help improve wikipedia that most of you participate in on a regular basis? Copyediting? Reverting vandalism? Iljhgtn (talk) 18:47, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:Copyediting, reverting vandalism, finding sources (there are many articles with "citation needed" tags), reviewing draft submissions (if you have qualified to be a reviewer), responding to edit requests (see :Category:Wikipedia edit requests, especially :Category:Wikipedia conflict of interest edit requests), new page patrolling (there's always a backlog), commenting on WP:AFD nominations. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:16, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

::IMO, there are hands-down two tasks to spend your copious available editing time on. One is inter-language links. These alert the reader to the availability of an article which doesn't exist on enwiki but does exist on some other language wiki. Users won't think to go look around on other wikis (or in many cases, even be aware of how to use wikidata for this purpose). By adding interwiki links, you facilitate access to the non-enwiki articles.

::The other really worthwhile thing to spend your time on is urls (whether in citations, references, additional reading, or elsewhere). You can hardly avoid discovering broken links, at least if you make a habit of clicking on them. If we had bots that were doing this job effectively, I presume I wouldn't always be coming across non-working links (assuming that they were fixable). Resolving broken links (especially if your goal is to find acceptable links that actually allow you to access the content) can be very tedious. OTOH, it's satisfying when you find one.

::These are both outright wins, with nobody arguing that your article topic isn't notable or that your sources aren't reliable. Please message me directly if you are looking for tips on performing these task or have other related questions. Fabrickator (talk) 23:36, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

::@Anachronist I currently new page patrol, comment on AfD nominations, copyedit, find sources, but have not reverted vandalism. What is the best way to find that and to revert it most effectively? Iljhgtn (talk) 01:00, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:::See WP:CUV and WP:CVU. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:38, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Seems really inefficient to me. I keep clicking on things to undo and someone beats me to it each and every single time. That is a good "problem", but does not seem like something very helpful to spend time on then. Iljhgtn (talk) 01:53, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:::I don't know of a "best way" to clean up vandalism. I do almost everything manually, and don't rely on any automated tools except for the ones provided for article reviewing. If someone beats me to a revert (not often because many of the pages on my watch list aren't heavily visited pages), I go and look at what else the vandal has done, and I either revert or report.

:::Fabrikator makes a good point; cleaning up dead links, finding equivalent pages in archive.org, is worthwhile to do. As is what I mentioned where things are tagged "citation needed" - either find a citation or remove the statement, although I sometimes leave it alone if I can't find a citation but the statement looks reasonable. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:40, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

The article about J-Corry needs to be here because he is a big important person/artist. Active for over 30 years. His discography speaks for itself.

I have the same opinion, there should be many more references. Somebody should put pressure on those magazines and labels to put J-Corry in the spotlight. His rap catalogue speaks for itself.

There also need to be pictures for the wikipedia entry, I'm looking if I'll find matching ones.

The article about J-Corry stays on wikipedia, because he has over 1 million fans. He is a public figure.

I've found some good references but I don't know if they do qualify for wikipedia, J-Corry is also an artist in the Wu-Tang team what's real big he's a Wu-Tang Affiliate, so he is also featured in that multi rap promo network Wu-Tang Familia:

108000 subscribers youtube network I think that's proof enough.

https://www.youtube.com/@WUTANGFAMILIA/

https://www.youtube.com/@WUTANGFAMILIA/featured

Here's another reference with J-Corry evidence, a couple of his albums are listed on this musicshop site:

https://www.discogs.com/artist/5371216-J-Corry

https://www.discogs.com/label/1100071-Murdah-Records 2A02:1210:8EDA:F100:9A02:39F5:2C67:2150 (talk) 18:32, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:wikipedia page J-Corry (rapper) Draft:J-Corry (Rapper)

:move it from draft to official

:The man has made 13 albums and 600 mixtapes, that's the best reference if you ask me. 2A02:1210:8EDA:F100:9A02:39F5:2C67:2150 (talk) 19:00, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

::I'm sorry, IP user, but nothing you have said there has any relevance to Wikipedia, and your draft is nothing like a Wikipedia article.

::A Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what several people, wholly unconnected with the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable publications, and very little else. Listings don't do it. Availabilty on distribution channels doesn't do it. Numbers of downloads or subscribers or fans don't do it. Anything written or published by the subject, or his associates, doesn't do it.

::Until you have found several sources which meet all the criteria in WP:42, you will not have an article, and you will be wasting your time and everybody else's in trying.

::By all means persuade some independent critics to write in depth about him, and be published in reliable sources: if that happens, then an article may be possible. But not until then. ColinFine (talk) 19:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:::I say the skills and talent count. J-CORRY 's discography speaks for itself.

:::Maybe there are hip hop magazines like Source that wrote articles about him, search for it, google finds a lot about him. You don't need to be in the charts or win awards to be on wikipedia, I see lots of nonsense articles over here.

:::I'm bringing out a real legend, J-Corry. ceo of Murdah Records and Wu-Tang Affiliate, and team Cardano. The man is known for hits like "King Of My Kingdom" "Bring It On" "Storm FT Redman" "Get Money FT Candy Buck" "Rap Apocalypso Show" "Bitcoin Da Discovery Of Da Century" "Street Freestyle" and many more. Some of them were ina rap charts indeed.

:::He has made 13 albums and over 600 mixtapes. Thats the proof for wikipedia, the product itself.

:::No unneccessary popular social stuff that has nothin to do with the topic itself, the rap artist J-Corry. That's the principal. By the way J-Corry has had an article on wikipedia but it got vanished by idiots.

:::His discography alone is long enough to qualify for a wikipedia article. He's active since 1994.

:::I'm paid to get this article together, so how goes this foreward? You better listen his albums, in case you don't know.

:::I expect a productive feedback, the wikipedia article about J-Corry should be finished end june 2025. 2A02:1210:8EDA:F100:9A02:39F5:2C67:2150 (talk) 16:58, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::::There is no deadline, and regular editors are volunteers. If you are being paid to create an article, you must disclose this. See Paid-contribution disclosure and possibly When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 22:25, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::IP user, exactly which criteria in WP:MUSICBIO does this rapper meet? ~Anachronist (talk) 19:19, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:::A couple of those, he has chart rap hits, albums & mixtapes

:::but no award or sumtn like this or I don't know about that.

:::He doesn't need that mainstream commercial stuff that's not required for a wikipedia article, hundreds of articles here without that.

:::Well, J-Corry is a worldwide known person ina underground hip hop scene wit lots of friendships such as Redman, Candy Buck, Canibus, Black Ghost and more. 30 years active ina rap game speaks for itself, and his rap catalogue of 13 albums and over 500 mixtapes speaks for itself. I say the skills and talent count. J-CORRY 's discography speaks for itself.

:::Maybe there are hip hop magazines like Source that wrote articles about him, search for it, google finds a lot about him. You don't need to be in the charts or win awards to be on wikipedia, I see lots of nonsense articles over here.

:::I'm bringing out a real legend, J-Corry. ceo of Murdah Records and Wu-Tang Affiliate, and team Cardano. The man is known for hits like "King Of My Kingdom" "Bring It On" "Storm FT Redman" "Get Money FT Candy Buck" "Rap Apocalypso Show" "Bitcoin Da Discovery Of Da Century" "Street Freestyle" and many more. Some of them were ina rap charts indeed.

:::He has made 13 albums and over 600 mixtapes. Thats the proof for wikipedia, the product itself.

:::No unneccessary popular social stuff that has nothin to do with the topic itself, the rap artist J-Corry. That's the principal. By the way J-Corry has had an article on wikipedia but it got vanished by idiots.

:::His discography alone is long enough to qualify for a wikipedia article. He's active since 1994.

:::I'm paid to get this article together, so how goes this foreward? You better listen his albums, in case you don't know.

:::I expect a productive feedback, the wikipedia article about J-Corry should be finished end june 2025. 2A02:1210:8EDA:F100:9A02:39F5:2C67:2150 (talk) 17:01, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::::To get an article on J-Corry accepted, you'll need to find and cite several reliable independent published sources with extensive discussion of him. Or, I guess, you could persuade someone else to do the work for you; but as it's you who's being paid, I wouldn't expect that to happen. Writing about him here won't help at all. Maproom (talk) 19:04, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::::"he has chart rap hits, albums & mixtapes". So, cite a source proving he has a hit on a recognized national chart. Albums don't count if they're self-published or from his own label or a private label, needs to be from a label that has a roster of many artists. Mixtapes are irrelevant. Anyone can make mixtapes. I've made dozens. That doesn't make me notable. Who he's friends with is irrelevant because notability isn't inherited. As yet, you have offered zero evidence of notability. Hand-waving about his productivity are just your claims and they are meaningless unless you can cite published sources. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:50, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Link to the draft: Draft:Brandon D. Smith

I’m trying to figure out what would be the difference between the draft of the Brandon D. Smith page being rejected and a similar page like Michael Bird (theologian) being accepted? That might help me understand whether I am including the right sources or whether this page just isn’t viable. Thank you!! ProtestantThot (talk) 01:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|ProtestantThot}} First, let me say that other things existing isn't really a good argument to try and make usually. For example, if that article you point out (Michael Bird) was at AfC today, it probably wouldn't be accepted, because there's only one strong and independent source - a local news source (Houston Chronicle). The first thing I'd recommend you do is to consider which of your sources are truly independent. Many of them are written by or partially by the subject of the article. That means they are not independent of him. This includes the biography from the university, which is often written by or in collaboration with the individual it's about, for example. Non-independent sources aren't necessarily prohibited - for example they can be used for information about a person from their own, confirmed social media account. But they don't contribute to notability - in other words, they don't contribute to someone qualifying for an article.{{pb}}The general criteria to qualify for an article is that there should be {{tq|A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.}} Things like book awards and the like aren't really "significant" coverage, and they are often not independent of the subject. And in any case, they generally provide significant coverage of the book, rather than the author. If there are no instances of significant, independent coverage of him, then he likely doesn't qualify for an article. Some examples of this would be if he is discussed in newspaper articles - not interviews or the like, because those aren't independent. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 01:51, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:@ProtestantThot

:See WP:OTHERSTUFF Thehistorianisaac (talk) 03:04, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Was going to post at Talk:Main page but apparently that's protected.

Just looking at the 'article count' on Special:Statistics which currently states as of writing 7,002,587 articles and looking at its documentation, seems to include disambiguation pages which according to MOS:DAB are NOT articles. So subtracting the count from :Category:All article disambiguation pages (367,187) from the total gives us 6,635,400 articles.

Then there is also :Category:Temporary maintenance holdings/RFD (174) which I think the article count includes them as "articles", and the subcats of :Category:Wikipedia interwiki soft redirects (2612) and also the Main Page. So there may be 6,632,614 articles assuming that everything has been tagged correctly.

So have we really reached 7,000,000 'articles'? 115.188.96.12 (talk) 23:09, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:Special:Statistics doesn't claim there are 7 million articles. There are 7 million content pages. Disambiguation pages are content. Redirects are main-space pages that have no content, so they aren't counted. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:52, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

How do you make an article? Randomizemyusername (talk) 21:43, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:Not as exemplified in your list of contributions so far. Welcome to Wikipedia. It's an encyclopedia. We hope that an encyclopedia is what you're looking for. If it is, just look for the links that Wikipedia has helpfully splattered around this very page (e.g. "Learn to edit"), click those that seem useful, read them, and digest them. If you have questions about what you've read, feel free to ask here. -- Hoary (talk) 21:56, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

:See WP:FIRST. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:36, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:Sandbox Randomizemyusername (talk) 17:21, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::I made my first articlr Randomizemyusername (talk) 17:22, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Did you read WP:FIRST? Right at the top, it says {{Tq|1="The article you write must include citations to the sources you used."}} Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:11, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

To whom it may concern,

I am very new here and just started writing a page of a living person. Currently, I have a problem with researching for written sources since some of the information I gathered is found from interview videos which I will then search for written sources for citations.

However, I am unable to find a solid written sources on some of the information, except for the interview videos on YouTube.

Moreover, regarding the person's past works, especially music videos, cannot be found on articles or other media except for YouTube videos.

So now I am worried if the YouTube videos are considered reliable sources. I have tried researching for the answer on tutorials and guides but still find no valid answer.

Please help clarifying the criteria of using the videos as sources for my future research.

Best -JinUtama (talk) 19:00, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:They are reliable sources when you what to confirm that a person said something. However you should specify that this is just the words of particular person: "Mr. Smith said that he was the smartest person on the Earth". Ruslik_Zero 19:18, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::YouTube videos are only considered reliable sources if they are from a reputable news outlet or similar on their verified channel. 331dot (talk) 19:22, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::Interviews, however, are not an independent source, as by definition an interview is the person speaking about themselves. As such, interviews cannot establish notability. 331dot (talk) 19:23, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Thank you for your kind replies and noted.

:::This clarifies a lot. Meaning if the information is debatable, I should find the solid and reputable sources, otherwise I should write down as the person 'claim' to do that.

:::What's about the person personal information? As I got a comment asking for the source of the person's birthdate and education, would it be reliable to refer to the interview as the source? (If I cannot find a solid written source)

:::-JinUtama (talk) 19:37, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::::As I suggested, you can't just use any random YouTube video- but if the interview is uploaded to a news outlet's verified channel, you can cite the interview for basic information(see WP:PRIMARY). 331dot (talk) 19:40, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::Thank you so much. Crystal clear. :)

:::::JinUtama (talk) 19:46, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::{{u|JinUtama}}, please be aware of the restrictions in WP:ABOUTSELF. We should never include a person's grandiose claim that they are "the smartest person on the Earth" or anything similar, even if attributed as just a claim. Such claims require independent sourcing. You must ensure that the YouTube channel in question is not violating any copyrights. Wikipedia is more stringent about copyright compliance than YouTube is.Cullen328 (talk) 21:17, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::I think the "smartest person on Earth" claim was just a random example of a self-claim created by Ruslik_Zero in an answer above: the OP's subject is a Thai actor, who seems unlikely to have made such a claim, and I can't see it anywhere in the Draft's revision history :-). {The poster formerly knowna s 87.81.230.195} 90.192.228.242 (talk) 22:53, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Cullen328 90.192.228.242

::::::::Well noted and do appreciate your input.

::::::::All in all, every information needs to be solid provable fact, and the sources should be notable and undeniable trustworthy ones, or as close as possible.

::::::::Since I plan to write many more subjects from Thailand, so I started with a living person.

::::::::Because, I thought it would be easier for me to study from approved and good living people's page on wikipedia. If I can make this work, I'll move further to more difficult ones that require more time to research and fact check, like important places, museums, and so on. :) JinUtama (talk) 10:18, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

{{od}}That is why I added "or anything similar" to my comment. Cullen328 (talk) 05:32, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

If an account was topic banned, what does that mean for dealing with the subject matter where the topic banned account was heavily involved and was topic banned? If there was a "consensus" formed for example with heavy involvement of topic banned accounts, does that mean that consensus is null and void? Would a new consensus need to be formed? I have read Wikipedia:BANREVERT but it is not entirely clear to me. Iljhgtn (talk) 10:05, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:If the consensus was formed before the ban, it stands.

:That does not preclude you from starting a new discussion to propose changing consensus, if there is a good reason (not just "They were banned!") to do so. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:18, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

This article is out of date because it fails to acknowledge update 2 in its entirety, for example it states that the game has 40 characters when due the aforementioned update 2 it now has 48 characters.

I am asking for help to edit this article.FNaF World 2600:1700:7A72:6A10:60A6:B013:8893:4C99 (talk) 02:49, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:This is very important. First world problems right here. 2600:1015:B14D:CFA1:B078:D739:11A2:E7E9 (talk) 02:56, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:Do you have reliable sources? If yes just be bold. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 03:26, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

::I've played the game my self using the freeware from game jolt and the article is in fact out of date. 2600:1700:7A72:6A10:60A6:B013:8893:4C99 (talk) 03:36, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:::"played the game my self" is not a reliable source; see WP:OR. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:21, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

::There's a 157% speed run of FNAF world where all characters must be collected, which ends up numbering 48. 2600:1015:B14D:CFA1:B078:D739:11A2:E7E9 (talk) 03:39, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:::I'm not the most familiar in regards to video games articles, so i would suggest finding Wikiproject Video games instead. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 03:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello, would you consider either of these to be reliable sources for BLP SIGCOV and notability?

Parcinq: https://www.parcinq.com/

They're a Philippine magazine and describe themselves as "both an online magazine and a print publication" on their FAQ page. Most of their content seems to be original and exclusive, mainly artsy photoshoots and interviews with Filipino celebrities like singer Angela Ken and various Pinoy pop groups. They have a dedicated site for selling their print issues.

Gen-Z: https://ph.genz-mag.com/

Another Philippine publication. From what I can see, it's a typical online magazine through and through in content and appearance. When you click on "Contact us," it provides this info: https://ph.genz-mag.com/contact-us/

I didn't see at first, but Gen-Z also has exclusive photoshoots and interviews with Filipino celebrities such as Sam Milby and Sofia Pablo. Scrolling to the bottom of this cover story, for instance, lists names for Gen-Z's team: https://ph.genz-mag.com/cover/love-in-real-life-how-sofia-pablo-and-allen-ansay-are-growing-together-on-screen-and-off/

I'd consider both of them reliable because they have dedicated editorial teams and offices. What are your thoughts? Bloomagiliw (talk) 12:18, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello @Bloomagiliw, welcome to the teahouse! The first source, in the FAQ, says that their "team is more than excited to review your submissions." The magazine appears to have some form of fact-checking and review for outside articles, though I am not sure 1) what their standard of quality is, and 2) if they do this same review for their own articles. As for the second source, I cannot really find anything, and they appear to be more of a virtual tabloid than anything. I'll let other editors throw in their opinions on this, but I would say the first source should be able to be used but with caution, and the second source is a no-go. Hope this helps! PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 12:27, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you! It does help. I hope other editors will respond as well. Bloomagiliw (talk) 12:29, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:::You could also try our Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard Lectonar (talk) 12:32, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

::::@Bloomagiliw It is no guarantee but [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3A%22parcinq.com%2F%22&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns0=1 parcing.com] is already used in 20 WP articles whereas we have [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3A%22ph.genz-mag.com%22&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns0=1 no cites] for ph.genz-mag.com Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:10, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::Okay, thanks! Bloomagiliw (talk) 13:13, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

I recently tried to include some relevant encyclopedic information regarding the notoriety of u/controlthenarrative.

I accept that my initial contribution may have been a little bit rough around the edges, but the relevance of the "guh" sound is simply indisputable in regard to r/wallstreetbets history.

I would appreciate if the green light was given to edit the section titled 'The infinite leverage glitch' to replace

"He recorded the live reaction to his loss and uploaded it on his YouTube channel." with "He documented his real-time reaction to the substantial loss by uploading a video to his YouTube channel; during this recording, he made a memorable "guh" sound that quickly gained notoriety as tens of thousands of dollars in leveraged capital vanished." 159.242.98.158 (talk) 13:12, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:IP editor. Please discuss this on the Talk page at Talk:R/wallstreetbets, assuming the section in question is R/wallstreetbets#The "infinite leverage" glitch. Make sure you provide a full citation to a reliable source for the statement you want to add. Verification is a core Wikipedia policy. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:20, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse.

:Wikipedia is a collaborative project, where we work by consensus. If somebody reverts your edit, the appropriate next step is to discuss it with the editor who reverted: see WP:BRD, rather than appealing to some supposed authority on a help page (there is no such authority).

:I don't know anything about the matter in hand, but what I will say is that no Wikipedia article should ever use an evaluative word like "infamous" unless it is directly quoting an independent reliable source. See WP:NPOV. ColinFine (talk) 13:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Recently, In Đồng Nai, Vietnam. There are having an arguement about Milo commercial is falsely, many newspaper are updating about Milo critical and Milo checking experiment. There are many Vietnamese news updating these information. So do we needed to add this details ? киска ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Namngocnghech|Wanna Slay ?]) 13:13, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:Pages should generally not have an entire section solely dedicated to criticism of the article's topic. A sentence or two would be fine, but not an entire section. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 13:16, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

::@PhoenixCaelestis Thanks for your optional. I just asking to modifying to add this controversy. I think i generally do this after this controversey end successfully. киска ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Namngocnghech|Wanna Slay ?]) 13:22, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:::That's a goodood idea, only add it after it's over. It would also prevent other editors from having to go in and update it with new information - added bonus. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 13:25, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

I want to make a wikipedia page for my close friend who is an author, speaker and cancer and disability advocate. He has authored numerous book. Can anyone help in creating a page for free if I submit all the details? Please Milibora (talk) 04:26, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:You're going to have to do it yourself. The Wikipedia:Article wizard can help guide you through it, especially since you have just declared that you have a conflict of interest.

:First, however, read Wikipedia:Golden Rule. Before you write a single word about your friend, find multiple sources (at least two or three) that meet all three of the Golden Rule criteria. Absolutely don't start out writing what you know and then try to find sources only afterward. That's called writing WP:BACKWARD. You want to write forward.

:If you cannot find adequate published significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of your friend, then don't try to write an article, because it would never be accepted without such sources. Don't ask anyone else to do it for you either without such sources in hand, because no good Wikipedia editor would start writing an article without having the sources first. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:44, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

: {{u|Milibora}}, sorry, but contrary to previous advice, generally speaking you should not attempt to create a Wikipedia page about your friend yourself (see WP:COI for the reasons why). In addition, if your friend is not notable in the Wikipedia sense of the word, the most likely outcome is that the article will be deleted. Your original idea, namely, to provide details and let someone else do it, is feasible in theory, but as Wikipedia is a volunteer site, the most likely outcome is that no one will volunteer and no article will be written. If you still want more info, despite the extremely slim chance of this working out, please reply below. Mathglot (talk) 05:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

::That's not what WP:COI says. The advice given by Anachronist is correct. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:11, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

::: Editors with a conflict of interest are "strongly discouraged from editing affected articles" (quoted from WP:COI). In addition, a brand new user with one edit at Wikipedia like yourself generally should not be creating a new article, it takes a while to acquire the requisite skills and is a recipe for frustration. That said, there is always WP:IAR, so if you decide to proceed anyway, see WP:YFA for guidance. Mathglot (talk) 14:36, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:::: Since you quote WP:COI, you will know it also says {{Tq|1="Editors with a COI should ... put new articles through the Articles for Creation (AfC) process instead of creating them directly"}}

::::The Article Wizard, which Anachronist recommended, guides people to AfC, not article space.

::::Also, I am not "a brand new user with one edit at Wikipedia ". HTH. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:47, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

I recently had an article rejected (Draft:Lord Byng Theater Company) for not having reliable sources, and I was quite surprised (History Student Here), so I was wondering what counts as reliable, since my article contained news, radio and awards show sources. (Also is this the right place to post this?) WhyFencePost (talk) 13:42, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @WhyFencePost, and welcome to the Teahouse.

:It looks to me as if it's not so much about reliability as indepedence.

:{{HD/WINI}}

:Most of your sources are from the company.

:A Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what several people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish in reliable publications, and very little else. It is not a place for the subject to tell the world about itself.

:More generally, {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} This is even more important when you have a COI (thank you for declaring that), as an involvement makes it harder to see what is and isn't neutral. ColinFine (talk) 13:53, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

::Yes certainly, and from my first review I got the feedback about independence, to which I added more independent sources along with non-independent ones, and the part about independence was not mentioned again, hence my confusion about independence and reliability. I will definitely look at more options for sources and try to find more of an outside perspective. My main question here revolves around sourcing for things such as the cast and crew on that page, information that is only available from the company itself. WhyFencePost (talk) 15:22, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Hello, @WhyFencePost. If you can't find independent information about cast and crew, then the question arises, Why should they be in the article? If you read an encyclopedia article about a theatre company (which is not a profile, or a page in a directory or social media) would you expect to find that information? ColinFine (talk) 16:04, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Vorrei creare un articolo su Nicolò Balini, uno youtuber e travel blogger italiano con oltre 1 milione di iscritti su YouTube. Posso creare l'articolo o è considerato troppo poco famoso? Dcx28h (talk) 13:49, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @Dcx28h. It may be possible, but if you want to write in Italian, you need to do it at the Italian Wikipedia, not the English Wikipedia. Please ask at :it:WP:SI. ColinFine (talk) 13:55, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Dcx28h On the English Wikipedia, we don't assess whether people are "famous" but rather whether they are notable based on already-published information. The number of subscribers to their YouTube channel is irrelevant. If Balini is Italian, sources about him may be more likely in that language and you might want to think about creating an article in the Italian-language Wikipedia, although we do allow non-English sources here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:55, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{reply|Dcx28h}} Essere famosi non significa "degni di nota". Gli YouTuber di solito non lo sono, e il numero di follower è irrilevante. Se riesci a raccogliere diverse fonti affidabili e indipenenti che offrano una copertura significativa di Nicolò Balini, allora puoi iniziare a scrivere un articolo (in inglese, perché questa è la Wikipedia inglese). Solo dopo aver raccolto le fonti dovresti provare a scrivere un articolo, usando Wikipedia:Article Wizard. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:13, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I created this draft (Draft:Ivelina Atanasova - Genchev) based on my published Bulgarian article, but I’m unsure how to submit it for review. Could someone please help me move it to the AfC queue or let me know what I’m missing? Thank you in advance. Atanasova.ivelina (talk) 16:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hi, I've added the AfC banner for you; just click the "submit" button to submit. In the future, you can add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the page. Cheers, GoldRomean (talk) 17:32, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I'm GasterPollo/Cast, I was about to write an article about a religion/philosophical view I made myself so others have an easy way of knowing about it, so, I was reading the basics on article creation and it says to cite anything related to it, but since I made the religion/philosophical view myself, I don't really have any reliable sources to cite, so what should I do? GasterPollo (talk) 00:21, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:There is nothing you can do, other than use social media or a personal website to tell the world about your ideas. Wikipedia is the last place to write about a topic, not the first. Wikipedia only can after others have, because Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources choose to say about a topic. See WP:MADEUP. 331dot (talk) 00:23, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you :) GasterPollo (talk) 18:55, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

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For June 1, the "Did you know ..." "... that no other month in a calendar year starts with the same day of the week as June?" is incorrect.  The month of May is also like June.  They both start on unique days of the week.  May however is the only month that start and ends on a unique day of the week. Beatles777! (talk) 07:22, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Beatles777! Hi, The accuracy of that fact depends on the specific year. For 2025, June does start on a unique weekday. Jesus isGreat7 ☾⋆ | Ping Me 07:51, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::Sure. But so does May. Maproom (talk) 07:56, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:::June is the only month in 2025 that begins on a Sunday. May does have a unique weekday pattern, but the statement refers only to starting weekdays. Jesus isGreat7 ☾⋆ | Ping Me 08:05, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|Beatles777!}} The statement doesn't claim that June is the only month with this property. May also has it as you say. It makes the statement less interesting but not wrong. August also has the property except in leap years. May and June has it in all years. I also checked the Gregorian calendar in 1582 where ten days were skipped in October. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:48, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

::"No other month" Can lead one to believe that June is the only month. even if you're just referring to this year or excluding week ends. 50.235.176.226 (talk) 15:31, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

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Hello,

I am trying to publish this page

Draft:Exposure-based modeling of operational risk

I am struggling as it get rejected, probably by bots, and I don't know what to do next to improve it!

Thank you in advance for any help you can provide! Patnaim (talk) 10:28, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Patnaim first of all, there are no bots; every reviewer is human. The main problem is your draft reads more like an academic essay rather than an encyclopedic article. I would start by removing all claims not supported by a source (which is most of the draft) and summarizing the information in a neutral manner. [[User:CanonNi]] (talk • contribs) 10:33, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

::@CanonNi Thanks for your advice. I'll try my best, but that does not look simple! Patnaim (talk) 20:25, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @Patnaim, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.

:{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} ColinFine (talk) 10:43, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

::@ColinFine Thanks for your help. I guess you're right.

::A long time ago I wrote this page {{lang|fr|:fr:Réseau bayésien}} and it went through immediately. But this was probably easier at that time.

::I will take the necessary time to learn, thanks again! Patnaim (talk) 20:28, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

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I still don't understand why my article was rejected. Its because of sources, but i dont know how i can repair it. Can you help me? 213.151.77.62 (talk) 11:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:It looks like you just have to find more sources that follow the reliability guidelines outlined in WP:CITE Stickymatch 12:01, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:Because a Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what several people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about it in reliable publications, and very little else. Government documents about the setting up the Council are irrelevant.

:You need to find places (probably books or academic papers, but perhaps some articles in major newspapers) that talk about the council in some depth, and base your draft exclusively on those sources. ColinFine (talk) 12:35, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:Link for future hosts: Draft:The Czech Fiscal Council

:Hello IP! Rejected has a specific meaning in our review process - it means the article will not be accepted for further review. Your draft has only been declined, so you still have hope.

:The sources you have cited thus far appear to be government documents along with lists of current and former members. You will need to cite source(s) explaining why the Czech Fiscal Council is notable. These cannot be connected with the Czech Fiscal Council in any way. Maybe you could find a newspaper article on why the organization was founded, or one talking about what exactly the Council has been doing recently - but, again, it cannot be connected to the Council in any way. I've found a source that may be useful to you - it's by a professor at the University of Bialystok. It talks about the council's influence and I believe it will qualify as a reliable and independent source. You can access it [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/382070897_The_influence_of_the_Czech_Fiscal_Council_on_the_Sustainability_of_Public_Finance here].

:I wish you the best of luck and genuinely hope that I see this article in mainspace in the near future. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 12:36, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

::IP editor. Google scholar [https://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_q=&as_epq=Czech+Fiscal+Council&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_occt=any&as_sauthors=&as_publication=&as_ylo=&as_yhi=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5 gives loads of hits] so finding some meeting our golden rules for sourcing should be fairly simple. That's even before you consider other-language sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:15, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:::I didn't even consider Google Scholar, oof.. good one, Mike! PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 13:17, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Thank you so much, too! 2A07:B242:101E:800:2DD6:9233:B:8AC (talk) 16:08, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you so much! This is exactly what I needed to know. 2A07:B242:101E:800:2DD6:9233:B:8AC (talk) 16:08, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

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Hello, I created a task force here: Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines/Visayan task force

There are many articles of interest to this task force. However, I don't know how to create a tag/parameter for it. I hope someone can guide me on how to do it, because I'd like to improve the task force page as much as I can.

Thank you. Bloomagiliw (talk) 16:43, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:Maybe Help:Template is what you're looking for? PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 19:40, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

::I mean I'm trying to create the parameter for the task force page itself, so the page can be tagged in articles. Bloomagiliw (talk) 19:52, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:::@Bloomagiliw I think you're looking for Module:WikiProject banner/doc. Sorry that it's not very accessible to do. JacobTheRox^{(talk | contributions)} 21:08, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Hello, I checked that out and it might just be me being dumb, but I don't see instructions on how to make a custom parameter for a task force.

::::Basically, I'm hoping that if I write visayan=yes in the talk page of an article, within the Tambayan Philippines shell, it will produce the "This article is supported by the Visayan task force" just like here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bini_(group) ("This article is supported by the Philippine music task force") in the "Tambayan Philippines" shell.

::::I'm so sorry! Either this site is complex or I'm just being dumb. I hope I can figure this out, though, because the Visayan task force page has already been created. Bloomagiliw (talk) 23:11, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::Hello, @Bloomagiliw. Adding a parameter to a template requires editing the code of the template. The Template Template:WikiProject Tambayan Philippines (which I think is the relevant one) is protected, so only Template editors may change it.

:::::You need to request the change using {{tl|edit template-protected}} on the talk page Template talk:WikiProject Tambayan Philippines. ColinFine (talk) 10:06, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

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On the Anne Frank article's Talk page, this message appears at the top:

"This article is written in British English with Oxford spelling (colour, realize, organization, analyse; note that -ize is used instead of -ise) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus."

I could hardly believe what I was reading. Can such a request not to change the mixed style without broad consensus really be legitimately made? Augnablik (talk) 18:12, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:It is not 'mixed style'; it is a subset of British English that uses a specific pattern of spelling. Don't blame Wikipedia, blame Oxford. (Whether OU, OED or OUP is most to blame, I couldn't say.) -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 18:17, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:::It's OUP. Like many publishers, OUP has its own house "style book". OED (which is published by OUP) aims to record usage among all users of English, and is not prescriptive. I can't imagine OU ever claiming any authority over such an issue. Maproom (talk) 07:23, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

::I’m stunned … I had no idea of this! Augnablik (talk) 03:27, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @Augnablik. There is no "mixed style" - see Oxford spelling.

:Only since spell-checkers, with their simple-minded demand for consistency, has the idea grown up that -ize is "not British". See Lynne Murphy's book The Prodigal Tongue. ColinFine (talk) 18:21, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

::Still reeling from this unexpected news, Colin, I’m tempted to ask you why “demand for consistency” is simple-minded, when the alternative would be many different spellings that could confuse readers. But I’ll curb my curiosity.

::Off to read up on Oxford spelling. Augnablik (talk) 03:34, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I am interested in creating an IPA guide for the Okinawan language. At first, I thought I simply needed to create a draft article along the lines of Draft:Help:IPA/Okinawan. However, when attempting to create the article, I came across a similar attempt to make a Help:IPA guide for the Kannada language, Draft:Help:IPA/Kannada by @Krzapex. Said draft was rejected, and the reviewer @Timtrent, commented saying that this was not the way to create Help: pages, and that one should ask here for further information.

Thus, I ask: how would I go about properly creating a Help: page, perhaps more specifically a Help:IPA page? Thank you in advance. Ushitarou (talk) 20:33, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:You just create it directly: go to Help:IPA/Okinawan and start writing. If you don't want to do that while it's in progress, you can always start it in your userspace and move it there when you're done. I recommend contacting the relevant wikiprojects/talk pages for specific assistance and advice. -- asilvering (talk) 20:48, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Header inserted by ColinFine (talk) 21:31, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi you can say me how looks El salvador end the years 90s pleas pleas pleas pleas pleas pleas pleas pleas??????????? 2600:382:2B21:DE64:6B5F:3BD6:2B19:F461 (talk) 21:11, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, IP user. Your question is not very clear. Is it answered in the article El Salvador? If not, you would be better asking at the Reference Desk, as this page is for questions about using and editing Wikipedia. But if you do ask the question again, I suggest you be much more specific about what you want to know. ColinFine (talk) 21:32, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Title Xwoqjodisfumosd (talk) 22:40, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello! You can use the sandbox, or your own personal sandbox, User:Xwoqjodisfumosd/sandbox. Cheers, GoldRomean (talk) 22:51, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

trying to start a wiki page for a music band Missioned Souls (talk) 22:29, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia. Please see your first article and make sure your topic meets our notability guidelines for bands. Cheers, GoldRomean (talk) 22:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

::Plus, it's technically autobiography, which is not allowed in Wikipedia. Read it here. Nedia Wanna talk? Stalk my edits 03:08, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:::*strongly discouraged, but yes. Anyway note original poster has been blocked per the username policy. GoldRomean (talk) 03:11, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:::*:Ah, ok. Thanks for the information! :) Nedia Wanna talk? Stalk my edits 03:24, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

{{courtesy link|User:Hello123212/sandbox}}

Can someone help explain why my article for Joe Sealey has been rejected he is a well known person in the Uk and comes from an established family, can someone help me back changes so it can be published Hello123212 (talk) 04:06, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hi, the reason your article was declined is listed in the decline notice. It has no sources right now. Wikipedia articles need reliable source to demonstrate notability. GoldRomean (talk) 04:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:I quote your own user talk page, Hello123212:

:*This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

:*The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners. Thank you.

:-- although the version on your talk page helpfully has links.

:I note that you say that he:

:*"is a well known person in the Uk"

:*"comes from an established family"

:If he's well known, then I'd presume that reliable sources will have written about him in some depth. And if so, your job will be easier.

:I don't know what's meant by "established family", but anyway his family doesn't matter. -- Hoary (talk) 04:40, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

How do bots like User:ClueBot NG detect warnings and give #2 warnings accordingly?

--pro-anti-air (talk) 03:36, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:For ClueBot NG, {{U|Pro-anti-air}}, please see User:ClueBot_NG#Vandalism_Detection_Algorithm. -- Hoary (talk) 04:44, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

It makes sense for Donald Trump to be protected, but why is almost every significant page I try to edit protected? How should I make good edits? Xwoqjodisfumosd (talk) 22:39, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

:These pages have undergone a history of vandalism, and as such limitations on who can edit them have been imposed. You can try checking out the task center for some ideas on what to do - those should classify as "good edits" in your words. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 00:11, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Xwoqjodisfumosd Your [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Daylight_saving_time&diff=next&oldid=1293545465 edit] at Daylight saving time might be better if linked with a source. The deletion of an alternative name might be discussed on the article's talk page where there has already been discussion of alternative names. Also, an edit summary (even something as simple as 'spelling') is always better than nothing. Another editor dropped some links on your talk page for ways to find articles that need help. The 'Suggested Edit' feature is easy to work with, and only requires a few minutes. Happy editing! Just Al (talk) 00:59, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

::{{u|Xwoqjodisfumosd}}, only a tiny percentage of Wikipedia articles are protected. And you can leave edit requests on the talk page of almost all protected articles. Cullen328 (talk) 05:53, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello, please can someone review my three articles I've created, thank you.

Melinda Markey

Ena Hartman

Ewa Krasnodebska Adelberta (talk) 09:55, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{u|Adelberta}} They will be reviewed by a New Page Patroller in due course. Asking for a review is not likely to speed the process. Do you have a particular need for a speedy review? 331dot (talk) 10:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

: Studena (water)

I've been created the page about non-carbonated mineral water "Studena" from Lipik in Croatia. I know that both the Studena and Lipički Studenac are well known brands in Croatia, but would be good for me to create its own article. Allo002 (talk) 13:28, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:I believe you are asking if you are allowed to create such a page? You have (and good job making it in your userspace), but currently it only has two sources that 1) are not formatted properly, and 2) do not appear to be secondary and independent. You also appear to largely just list the products of the company - Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a list of a company's products. You need to demonstrate how the company is wikinotable before the article can be published. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 13:39, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Okay, I have redone the references on my draft article Draft:Sydney Uriah Bogues However declined once again. I have added the actual document to substantiate the validity of each source. Does anyone have pointers on where I may have missed out? Thank you! Artnascar7 (talk) 13:16, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:The feedback left for you time and time again has been that you need reliable sources. Your article appears to be largely primary sources, and point 5 of the policy explicitly states: "Do not base an entire article on primary source" (emphasis in original). Unless you can find sources that talk about Bouges and why he is notable after his life, then I do not believe the article will pass AfC. You also have multiple smaller sections of the article that are not sourced, sometimes there's a source earlier on in the paragraph but not for what is said at the end.

:There's also some odd things said in wikivoice, such as the end of the early childhood section: "It is for reasons like these; it would seem, why young S.U. Bogues decided to pursue a career in the field of preparing medicine." This feels like something that would belong in a book, not a Wikipedia article. Also, some of your headers are in title case (Early Childhood, The 1907 Earthquake and New Market) while others are in sentence case (Family background, Education and career): all titles should be in sentence case.

:I would heavily advise not resubmitting the article for review until you feel you have completely addressed these concerns. Do not hesitate to ask for further assistance here in the teahouse. I feel this article has potential (he's certainly an interesting character) and would hate if it was rejected for the same reasons it has been declined for. Best of luck with the article! PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 13:31, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

::Great, thank you! Artnascar7 (talk) 13:38, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:::You're welcome! PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 13:46, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

::::I also have a little concern, these articles usually take several months to be reviewed. this was reviewed after only a few weeks.

::::The reason I mention this because the wikieditor who reviewed it also changed their entire page with a lot of middle eastern/arabic topics on the same day my article was reviewed.

::::The subject in my draft has a largely Jewish background.

::::I hate to be divisive in the platform, but could I have somehow have it addressed as a concern? Artnascar7 (talk) 13:55, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::Works

:::::* Evacuations during the Gaza war

:::::* Adly Mansour Transportation Hub

:::::* Heliopolis station

:::::* Safaa Hegazy station

:::::* Sakakini Palace

:::::* Nile Fountain

:::::* Sudan station

:::::* Rod El Farag Corridor station

:::::* Ring Road station

:::::* El-Qawmia station

:::::* El-Bohy station

:::::* Tawfikia station

:::::* Wadi El Nile station

:::::* Gamat El Dowal station

:::::* Boulak El Dakrour station

:::::* Imbaba station

:::::* This page was last edited on 2 June 2025, at 07:46.

:::::Artnascar7 (talk) 13:57, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::That list of topics on ToadetteEdit's page has existed since before the article was declined (only Imbaba station was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:ToadetteEdit&diff=prev&oldid=1293539329 added the same day] your draft was declined) - I do not believe those had anything to do with the draft's decline, though I do understand your concerns about bias. If you have concerns then I would bring those up on the editor's talk page. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 14:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::This person I believe wrote all these articles. But their page history says they were all placed on the page at the day of my review. Artnascar7 (talk) 14:04, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Please see the diff that I linked. I'll link it again [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:ToadetteEdit&diff=prev&oldid=1293539329 here]. Only the last entry on the list was added the day of the decline. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 14:07, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Thank you, you're right. apologies. Artnascar7 (talk) 14:12, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::As an immigrant during the 1920's, I think the topic has a lot of merit. Could they put it as a stub? Artnascar7 (talk) 14:17, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::I think it's currently a start-class article, probably could get up to C-class with a few secondary sources. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 14:27, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi! I saw the reliable sources list and noticed a problem: several international newspapers, including some U.K ones (The Telegraphh) and mostly all Latino ones, are not gauged for reliability. It would be good if they were listed so we could tell whether we could use them pt not. God bless! Jeanette the headcase Martin (que me dices?) 11:00, 3 June, 2025 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, it is impossible for such a list ever to be exhaustive; but please ask on its talk page if you would like a specific publication to be included. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:14, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:User:JeanetteMartin. Note that there is advice on how you could find if a particular source has been discussed before at WP:RSPMISSING. That also describes how to start a new discussion about a specific source. I'm not sure which newspaper you had in mind because you linked to a disambiguation page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:45, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I'm a new editor and submitted an article about "Novarabet", an Indonesian musician and verified artist on platforms like Spotify and Apple Music. It was declined because of notability concerns.

I included several sources from Yamaha Asia, Yamaha Indonesia, Kumparan, Bale Bengong, and MusicBrainz.

Can someone help me understand if these sources are strong enough, or what else I should include? Here is the draft: Draft:Novarabet

I would really appreciate any guidance. Thank you! Novarabetmusic (talk) 13:35, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:The draft has not been rejected, it has only been declined - the two words have different meanings in the AfC process. Rejection means it will not be accepted further; declined only means that it is not ready for mainspace in its current form. Your draft falls into the latter category. I will note that writing about yourself is extremely discouraged. See this page and this page for information on the topic.

:With all respect, winning a high school band competition is not an award or honor (not to mention it is unsourced). Your singles are also unsourced, and please know that discogs and Spotify are not reliable sources. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 13:45, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @Novarabetmusic, and welcome to the Teahouse.

:A Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what several people, wholly unconnected with the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable publications, and very little else. Unless you have several sources which meet all the criteria in WP:42, it is unlikely that an article is possible.

:More generally, {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}}. (I know your account has been around for a few years, but with only 27 edits in your history, you are still a "new editor". ColinFine (talk) 15:30, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

::{{ping|ColinFine}} Thank you for the thoughtful feedback. I appreciate your time and understand your concerns. I'm currently working on improving the draft article about myself (Novarabet) and am aware of the importance of significant, reliable, and independent sources. I'm actively gathering stronger third-party references that provide in-depth coverage and are not affiliated with me.

::I understand that Wikipedia is not meant for promotion and that neutrality and verifiability are core principles. I'm also planning to contribute to existing articles—especially in areas related to music and Indonesian artists—to better understand the community's standards and editing practices.

::Thank you again for your guidance; I’ll take your advice seriously as I continue learning and contributing. Novarabetmusic (talk) 15:37, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Why girl education doesn't end in the kitchen 105.112.212.10 (talk) 18:26, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse.

:This is not really the right place for this sort of question, as this page is about how to use and edit Wikipedia.

:If you can't find the answer to your question in the article Female education, perhaps you want to ask it at the Reference desk. But if you do, I think you'll need to make your question clearer. ColinFine (talk) 18:30, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:Please do not post nonsense questions anywhere on Wikipedia- your IP has already been blocked from talk pages due to doing this same sort of thing. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 18:31, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

To whom it may concern,

I'm unclear if my page: George Lynch (journalist) has been published as it doesn't appear in the search results? Greenpark79 (talk) 17:04, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello @Greenpark79. Your article is published. It will appear on search engines when an WP:NPP reviewer checks the article or 90 days pass. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 17:10, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks! Greenpark79 (talk) 19:07, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Clear}}

Hello, I came across a podcast on the BBC website. Can a podcast be used as a source? Thanks Applesandpears20 (talk) 22:00, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hi Applesandpears20. Welcome to the Teahouse. I think podcast may be considered as a reliable source, if it is published by reputable organization; such as BBC, New York Times, The Guardian etc. Fade258 (talk) 01:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

::Hello, thanks for your help! Applesandpears20 (talk) 17:26, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello @Applesandpears20! To elaborate on what Fade said above, you should also take into account where you'll be citing the podcast. If it's for a biography of a living person, being used to validate claims of themself, then it should be fine. If it involves third parties, then it should almost always be a no-go. You can read more about this here and here. Hope this helps! PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 11:19, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

::Given that the BBC podcasts many of its highly-esteemed documentaries, and that all of its podcasts adhere to BBC editorial guidelines, it is not the case that they should not be cited for material about third parties. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:28, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Appreciated, thanks for your reply Applesandpears20 (talk) 17:33, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

::Okay, that makes sense. Thanks so much for your quick replies! Applesandpears20 (talk) 17:32, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

{{Clear}}

I've written a draft about Dante Marchitelli, longtime NCA broadcaster for the Orlando Magic. I included multiple independent reliable sources (ESPN, Sports Illustrated, Orlando Sentinel). I've avoided any subjective knowledge. I'm not sure what else I can provide. Would actual video of Dante broadcasting NBA games help? I'm not sure why he's not meeting the standard for Wikipedia. I'd really appreciate a fresh perspective and reviewer referral. Draft is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Dante_Marchitelli Thanks! CTO4DM73 (talk) 22:28, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hi, @CTO4DM73, welcome to the Teahouse. I made some changes to the article that might help, as well as added a couple sources under "Further reading". Others may have more insight as to whether the subject of the article meets notability guidelines, but I noticed that you included an awful lot of external links including one to his Linkedin page, and three of the references as of now are a link to the subject's podcast. Another reference was to a forum, which I removed, as forums should not be used as a source. My question is: Do you have an affiliation with Dante Marchitelli? If so, this is something that should be disclosed. Thanks, MediaKyle (talk) 23:11, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks a lot for your help MediaKyle. I live in the Orlando, Fl area where Dante Marchitelli is a well known figure with the Orlando Magic NBA team. Should I disclose that? I have met him, but don't know him well. CTO4DM73 (talk) 23:21, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:::If you're not directly affiliated with him, there's no need for any disclosures. Cheers, MediaKyle (talk) 23:32, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

A problem reported, but not resolved, on 8 November 2023 has recurred on one of my User pages. Some references show as, "This reference is defined in a template or other generated block, and for now can only be previewed in source mode". In source mode they only show as a number. I've copied them from another article. Is this a bug, will it resolve when I put the article in Mainspace, or have I made a mistake? Johnragla (talk) 19:10, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|Johnragla}} You didn't copy the reference text but only a reference marker like which indicates that the reference text is supposed to be elsewhere on the page inside .... All the red "Cite error" messages in the rendered userspace page would still be there in a mainspace article. In VisualEditor it can be difficult to see what you copy. I don't know whether it can even copy references from one page to another. When you copy a reference within an article, you don't copy the actual reference text but only a reference marker. Maybe the reference text was in another part of the article you copied from, or maybe VisulaEditor couldn't copy the reference to a different page. In the source editor you can see what you copy. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:25, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Johnragla The first time you create a reference in source mode you define it like this reference test 1 then every time you want to re-use that reference you just use . Here you have the re-use code but lack the original definition code, so in visual mode you see the "This reference is defined in a template or other generated block ..." message simply because those references are currently undefined. You can simply delete the empty ones and create new defined references in there stead. Nthep (talk) 20:15, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

I need sources for a person? How am I meant to get this guy If I know him and unable to get sources for a person

^ Ollieliddiard (talk) 20:27, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello. If a topic is not discussed in independent reliable sources, it cannot have an article on Wikipedia. Information in an article must be verifiable. We cannot verify your personal word. If you just want to tell the world about this person, you should use social media. 331dot (talk) 20:34, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello {{user link|Ollieliddiard}} :). Here at Wikipedia we only write about notable topics, which for us basically means the person must have significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic. If this is not the case, we mustn't write an article about them. If they do have coverage, you are welcome to create the article. Except, editing or creating articles about family or friends is strongly discouraged due to the conflict of interest. Thank you for your time. Have a nice day! –The Sophocrat (talk) 20:34, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

::As a heads up, OP did come onto wikipedia-en-help and asked this same question. He did not like the responses we gave him, which were along the lines of what 331dot and Sopho said above. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 21:05, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Article link: Draft:Richard L'Abbé

I've reviewed the guidelines, and both the article and subject appear to meet the standard. That is, the subject is the focus of several articles in reliable and independent publications such as People Magazine and the Ottawa Citizen, and he's the recipient of major awards both in Canada and the US. The most recent submission was declined due to "references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions)."

Thanks for any help understanding how the subject/article are falling short of the bar needed to be worthy. Eriklabbe (talk) 14:36, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{u|Eriklabbe}} Hello and welcome. I fixed your link, the whole url is not needed.

:Are you related to Richard? 331dot (talk) 14:45, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

::Yes, he's my father. I've disclosed the conflict of interest as suggested by guidelines and I've ensured the content remains impartial, drawing solely from independent sources rather than any primary knowledge. Eriklabbe (talk) 14:50, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:::I see the disclosure on the draft- could you also place a disclosure on your user page(User:Eriklabbe)? 331dot (talk) 14:51, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Ok, I added the disclosure to my user page: User:Eriklabbe. Eriklabbe (talk) 14:56, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::Thanks 331dot (talk) 15:19, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:This is an interesting article, I will admit - and I think the image adds to it. However, you need secondary sources about your father's work. These sources should be secondary in origin, independent of him, and come from reliable publications. As of now, you have not achieved that. Your sources appear to be either primary or only provide a passing mention of the subject. Two of your in-text citations are oddly in the middle of the sources segment. Also, Wikipedia should not be cited as a source (see reference #2).

:No doubt an interesting article, and I have hope it will eventually find its way to mainspace. Good job with the CoI by the way. Best of luck! PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 15:05, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Eriklabbe If you haven't, try digging [https://archive.org/search?query=%22Richard+L%27Abb%C3%A9%22&sin=TXT¬%5B%5D=year%3A%221844%22¬%5B%5D=year%3A%221845%22¬%5B%5D=year%3A%221876%22¬%5B%5D=year%3A%221877%22¬%5B%5D=year%3A%221880%22¬%5B%5D=year%3A%221908%22 here.] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:42, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:Ping to @MediaKyle, you might be interested in this one. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:53, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks for bringing my attention to this. @Eriklabbe, you're right, the subject of this article does pass GNG based on the fact that he received the Order of Canada. I'm going to take a shot at cleaning it up for you now so it can be published, and we'll go from there. Cheers, MediaKyle (talk) 17:12, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:::I've actually just spent a bunch of time addressing feedback received via the live chat. I sifted through newspapers.com and found a few more direct articles on Richard, rather than Med-Eng the company. I have at least 3 reliable, independent articles about Richard so I've added those to the appropriate in line sentence.

:::Oh no, we have an editing conflict now. Not sure how to proceed Eriklabbe (talk) 17:34, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Oh, darn. I'm sorry about that, didn't realize you were still actively editing, I probably got you all confused now. If you want to drop me the links here I can add them in. MediaKyle (talk) 17:36, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

::::If you don't mind, I'm going to keep my version (cause I literally just spent 2+ hours on it) and attempt to merge in your changes. Are you ok with that? Eriklabbe (talk) 17:37, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::No problem at all. I should've responded sooner Eriklabbe (talk) 17:38, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::Absolutely, go for it, all I just did was some formatting so I can redo that easily enough. Cheers, MediaKyle (talk) 17:39, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::Ok I merged your changes on headers and at the bottom. You have a reference structure that I'm not familiar with and didn't want to mess with that too much (i.e. {{Sfnmp|The Globe and Mail|2007}}). I think I caught most of the others. Eriklabbe (talk) 17:50, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::I'll wait before submitting to ensure there's nothing more I can do to help approval Eriklabbe (talk) 17:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

{{reflist-talk}}

{{Section resolved|1=Article - a good one - is published. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:11, 3 June 2025 (UTC)}}

Hello, I’d like to request consideration for reinserting the following biographical sentence into the article on Rebecca Alston:

“She continued her studies as a post graduate student at New York University and attended the professional program modules of Harvard Graduate School of Design over several years.”

This sentence was previously removed, but the information is supported by reliable sources already cited in the article, including:

1. Octavia Art Gallery – Artist Bio: https://www.octaviaartgallery.com/artists/rebecca-alston
2. The Museum of Geometric and MADI Art: https://www.geometricmadimuseum.org/portfolio-item/alston

Both sources note that she studied at NYU and attended Harvard GSD programs, confirming this information.

I’m also requesting help adding sourced citations to the solo and group exhibition history for the article on Rebecca B. Alston. Many exhibitions currently lack inline citations, and I’ve compiled a set of references — including reliable articles and newspaper scans hosted on Newspapers.com — confirming her participation. Below is an example:

Exhibition: One Woman Retrospective, Walter Anderson Museum of Art, 2014–15

Citation:

{{cite news |title=Where Science and Art Converge |url=https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/678577260/ |work=Sun Herald |date=2015-01-18}}

I have dozens more formatted if helpful and would really appreciate assistance incorporating these into the article to improve verifiability.

Thank you! Archfusionpro (talk) 21:34, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @Archfusionpro, and welcome to the Teahouse. The proper place to discuss this is at the talk page of the article in question, pinging the other editor(s) who removed the information. Wikipedia works by consensus, not by appeal to some authority: see WP:BRD for how this works.

:I notice that neither of the two sources you mention above is independent of Alston: the biographies likely came from her. Some kinds of information may be cited from non-independent sources (see WP:SPS); I think it is a matter of editorial judgment (and hence to be agreed among the editors interested) whether or not those are suitable sources for that information. ColinFine (talk) 22:50, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

I need an article to be improved for AfC, but I can't find good sources for it. Draft:Greenstreet, Missouri and Draft:Fourmile Corner Sunhighway27 (talk) 11:21, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, if you cannot find reliable and independent sources for coverage of your topic, then there is very little chance that it is notable enough for inclusion on Wikipedia. AlphaBetaGamma left some good future advice on your now-rejected draft for Fourmile Corner: "Next time, consider checking if subjects you're writing on has enough notability before starting drafts." You shouldn't be working backwards, where you need to find sources for something - find a source and use it as a starting point for an article instead. Don't let this discourage you, though - I had quite a few failed drafts before getting an article published. You'll get there eventually! PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 11:35, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:See WP:LIBRARY for places where you can find, or get help finding, sources. You may also get help at your local public library (or your school or college library, if you are a student).

:It is likely that both of your subjects will meet our notability criteria, once sources are found. Remember that paper sources, as well as those found online, can be used. Don't give up! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:08, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

::thank you Sunhighway27 (talk) 23:33, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

While editing Triangle inequality, I [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Triangle_inequality&diff=prev&oldid=1293805036 found] an insecure link to http://aleph0.clarku.edu. A Google search found it in more articles than I care to edit. Could someone run a bot or other tool to change the link to https://mathcs.clarku.edu? -- 50.39.108.101 (talk) 00:26, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:NM, I put in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Link_rot/URL_change_requests&diff=prev&oldid=1293846909 a request] at WP:URLREQ. --50.39.108.101 (talk) 00:57, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

I have been noticing at one point most page vandalisms happen because of IP users so I vote to ban the ones that did it Lordofcallofduty (talk) 02:25, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hi, this has actually been suggested before! See this for more info. In short, while (according to that page) 97% of vandalism is created by IPs, 80% of IP edits are actually constructive! GoldRomean (talk) 02:39, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

::good point but others have been nothing but trouble it’s like releasing a tiger tank into a town in world war 2 it’s always trouble if a vandal shows up I just hate vandals and you may hate me for saying this if Wikipedia could just add bots that can detect vandalism and remove editing from the person that did it and that would be effective Lordofcallofduty (talk) 02:42, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:::We do have vandal-detecting bots like User:ClueBot NG! (Do note that warning IPs for months-old edits is not that worthwhile, and remember to assume good faith.) GoldRomean (talk) 02:43, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

::Also I didn’t mention most vandalisms I saw were on FNAF World 2 by the same IP that has to be a problem Lordofcallofduty (talk) 02:43, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:::If a user continues to vandalize despite being given enough warnings, they can be reported to WP:AIV. But the edits in this case are extremely stale. GoldRomean (talk) 02:45, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

::::That is a very good point but I am probably the only one who is very pissed off about vandalism and in real life it’s almost a crime and everyone knows that Lordofcallofduty (talk) 02:47, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::It’s okay to dislike vandals, in fact I bet most editors do. However, not all IPs or editors who you think are vandals are actually vandals - some are trying to contribute, but may come across as vandals. That’s why it’s important to assume good faith. GoldRomean (talk) 02:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::{{u|Lordofcallofduty}}, three points I want to emphasise:

::::::(1) Many, perhaps most, IP addresses are now dynamic, so a user with a particular IP today may have a different one in an hour, or tomorrow, or next week. Sometimes the ISP assigns a user new IPs within a restricted range, and sometimes Wikipedia blocks that whole range, but this not infrequently hits innocent users who just happen to have IPs in the same range. Sometimes a range ban is not possible or practicable. About the only way to completely block an IP-only vandal would be to block all non-Account editing.

::::::(2) Opening a new Wikipedia account is sufficiently easy that more seriously dedicated vandals (see LTA) continually, even pre-emptively, open multiple accounts – these vandals are often responsible for the worst vandalisms, and are harder to combat.

::::::(3) As has been mentioned above, 80% of edits by IPs are good ones, not vandalism: if all IPs were banned, we would lose most of those good edits and editors. I myself have been editing Wikipedia regularly and frequently for over 20 years, have for my own reasons never created an account, and my once-fixed home IP was changed by my ISP to dynamic some years ago.

:::::There is a proverb "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater" which I invite you to reflect on. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.192.228.242 (talk) 08:06, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::Good point but take my example of a very good thing on one article Video Games Live aka my favorite group and I like that it has barely any vandalism and I will agree those points are good but I got to say! I was exhausted when I wrote that Don’t ask why? And I have to say well have a good day Lordofcallofduty (talk) 02:29, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::You too! GoldRomean (talk) 03:09, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

Arshak Sargsyan is the founder and director of Anuloid Games RustaviOri (talk) 02:43, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello and Welcome to the Teahouse! Thanks for the information! But this is the place not to put information. Nedia Wanna talk? Stalk my edits 03:03, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:And we do not yet have an article on Anuloid Games (which is why that link is red), so there is nowhere to use that information – yet.

:Perhaps in time you can create and submit an article about Anuloid Games, but judging from your previous attempt at Draft:ElTR you need to learn more about Wikipedia's requirements first. You might like to start by studying these project pages:

:Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia,

:Wikipedia:Everything you need to know.

:Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.192.228.242 (talk) 08:19, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

::Plus, it needs to be notable. Nedia Wanna talk? Stalk my edits 03:26, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

Greetings! I need help moving Draft:Patrick Bartley to Draft:Patrick Bartley Jr. If someone could teach me, that would be a great help! GgDionne (talk) 09:12, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:The specific title of a draft is not particularly relevant; when accepted, the reviewer will place it at the proper title.

:That said, the move function is in the Tools drop down menu. 331dot (talk) 09:15, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

I've noticed that in most, if not all, BLPs of musicians, the "Songwriting credits" sections often lack citations. This seems unusual to me, given that all content must be verifiable. Are these uncited credits acceptable under any current guidelines, or would it be better practice to include a reference for each entry (e.g., in a dedicated reference column if in table format)? AstrooKai (Talk) 18:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:I suggest that, just as films contain cast lists that do not require independent referencing from another source in the articles about them, the fact that published musical works usually bear credits for their writers means that a separate reference for them is not required.

:The Project page Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs is not actually explicit about this, but perhaps you can find something by following up its many links, or a discussion of it somewhere in the archives of its Talk page. Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.192.228.242 (talk) 19:18, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks! Now that you mentioned, I will also ask this on the WikiProject to get more feedback regarding this. AstrooKai (Talk) 10:29, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi there, recently I've encountered a weird problem where when I go to edit, I have no option to edit regularly, only source. It's only a problem because I use a spell check browser extension to help me make most of my copyedits, which can't read source. Anyone know what's going on? Data Devourer (talk) 00:36, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Data Devourer, Welcome to the Teahouse. Under preferences (the gear icon) click the editing tab. There you can select to use the VisualEditor. In editing mode you can select Always give me the VisualEditor if possible. I hope that helps! Best, CF-501 Falcon (talk · contribs) 00:52, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:Data Devourer, a bonus (?) comment (as you suggest that the inability to check your spelling is, for you, the only drawback of editing source): I only edit source, and I only use Firefox for this. (Not any "mobile" version of Firefox or other derivative; instead, regular Firefox.) This checks my spelling (against US English spelling conventions), by default. I've never asked it to do this, let alone installed any plug-in or similar to do the job. (Now that I do look in the horizontal lines menu icon, I find the option under "Settings | Language and Appearance | Language".) -- Hoary (talk) 02:13, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

::Firefox will spell check most common languages. There are options on the main "Setting" page. This also works on the mobile (Android, at least) version. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:49, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi

I do not know how to get the box on my homepage like I see on other pages. It is at the top of my page and it is the wiki-project ships one. the page is here User:Boenav

Thank you Boenav (talk) 17:49, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:It looks like you typed it in visual editor mode when it should've been done in source editor mode. If you copy that text (and the curly brackets) in the source editor, it should be fixed. Hope this helps! PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 17:56, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:Also, it’s called a userpage - a homepage is something specific for new users to get edit requests and the like. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 18:08, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

::Ok thank you Boenav (talk) 12:23, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

Is there any type of requirement for the formatting of wikipedia pages I.e. MLA, APA, and College formattiing 143.59.6.114 (talk) 12:19, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:Are you referencing the format of sources? There's an extensive page covering that topic here. If you're referencing the layout of a page, you can find that at this subpage of the manual of style. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 12:22, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:Wikipedia doesn't enforce a specific citation style, but we have plenty of citation templates that make it easy to format references in a consistent manner (and which are informed by established styles like the ones you list). ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 12:24, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

::{{Tq|1="Wikipedia doesn't enforce a specific citation style"}} True, but we do ask that contributors respect the existing style when updating an article; and use one style consistently throughout articles they create. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:29, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi

how do I do the Wikipedia formatting with the big text and corner numbers

I see it in other articles but I do not know how to add it to my article that I made..I would like help so I can make my article good :)

thanks Boenav (talk) 12:33, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:I'm not clear what you mean by "big text and corner numbers", but I have left some helpful links on your talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:19, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

::Maybe @Boenav is referring to citations and headers? PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 14:28, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Maybe; in that case the links provided should help. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:32, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

I'm editing Camera Work and want to move a detailed list of 50 Camera Work issues to a separate list article. My goal is to streamline the Camera Work article. I'd prefer to move the list now and consider any improvements to the list once I'm done with the edits to the main article.

Before I do this, I thought I'd see if you had any input or advice. Gamboler (talk) 14:59, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:I think that's a good idea to prevent the page from seeming too bloated, though you would need a source or two to put at the bottom of the article. A page title like "List of Camera Work issues" would be good. Then you could have a link to the list page where the list currently is in the article. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 15:10, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:You could also probably add the gallery to that list page as well, though I'd also keep it in the main article as it is currently. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 15:11, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

Concerning this page Malik ibn Nuwayra, an editor seems to have vandalized the article with revisionist polemical claims as well as undoing any revisions to try to fix the one sided apologist content on the page. I'm new to wikipedia, how do I escalate? Do I really need to make an account? 97.100.5.175 (talk) 15:48, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:You should contact the user on their talk page. If that fails, follow the instructions here. Also no, you are not required to make an account although it would be useful as your IP can change and may confuse other editors. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 16:16, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, IP user. Wikipedia works by consensus, not by anybody insisting that "I am right and they are wrong/polemical/biased". Assume good faith is a core policy of Wikipedia.

:I observe that there has been what looks fairly combative editing on that article, but neither you, nor @Yujoong nor @Maktabaltafakkur has opened a discussion on the talk page. Your duty, all of you, as Wikipedia editors, is to work to reach consensus with other editors, and if you cannot succeed, to follow further steps from dispute resolution.

:Please note also that vandalism has a specific meaning in Wikipedia, and does not include "editing from a point of view I disagree with". ColinFine (talk) 16:39, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

I have an article, written in 2012 in Word, which is a brief history of this football club and contains considerably more information than the Wikipedia article, which has at least one significant error, that is that the team played in amateur leagues. The team was much more significant than that and for two and a half seasons, they were members of the Southern League, which was the strongest competition outside the Football League, and whose players were mostly semi-professional, i.e. they were paid but had other jobs.

The article has sourced its content from the local newspaper of the time, the Chingford Guardian. If you contact me, I will send it to you as I don't know how else to include it.

Kind regards

Mick Blakeman 2A00:23C5:2822:801:9544:FEA7:E690:ECC2 (talk) 16:32, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hi Mick,

:Many thanks for your interest in contributing to Wikipedia.

:If you could upload the information somewhere - perhaps [https://pastebin.com/ Pastebin]? - and post a link to it on Talk:Chingford Town F.C., editors could review your material.

:Please understand we would need to be able to locate and add suitable references when doing so. If you happen to know of any, also advising us of those on the talk page would be very helpful. ···sardonism · t · c 16:35, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, Mick, and welcome to the Teahouse.

:If you wanted to improve the extremely weak article Chingford Town F.C., that would be welcome; but unfortunately, unless your article was based on independent, reliable published sources, it will not be much use in doing so. Local newspapers are often borderline for being regarded as reliable; and the newspaper articles would need to be mostly independent of the club (i.e. not based on interviews or press releases).

:A Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what several people, wholly unconnected with the subject, have chosem to publish about the subject in reliable publications, and not much else.

:The existing article does not meet this description in several ways: it cites only one source, and it is not clear whether that book is a reliable source, or whether it is independent of Chingford Town F.C. - unless it is both of these, it does not contribute to establishing that the club meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Even if it does, a single source is not enough.

:A good deal of the article - including everything about the revivals - is unsourced.

:You are welcome to add the specific information you want to change, cited to the source - see WP:REFB for how to cite sources. But in my view, doing so will not improve the article significantly. ColinFine (talk) 17:19, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

: How in the name of a gigantic holy monkey do you cite a NewsBank article?

Hey everyone!

Via my local library system I was able to gain access to NewsBank and its trove of articles. Problem is that I cannot figure out the proper URL designation to use that won't direct users to a combined NewsBank/library URL which would not be accessible to most readers or editors.

I tried doing a Teahouse and WP search to no avail.

Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi...you're my only hope.

OlympiaBuebird (talk) 16:58, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:@OlympiaBuebird, Template:NewsBank text might be what you're after. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:38, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

::Hey @Gråbergs Gråa Sång,

::That'll do. Seems like it's in English. My thanks! OlympiaBuebird (talk) 17:41, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:::@OlympiaBuebird I've used a similar thing for ProQuest, you can see example refs at Charleen Kinser. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:48, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

::::@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Huge help...think I got it. But don't go to Vegas and bet on that. Could you do me a favor and check the following edit - 1293956302 - to see if I did it good? OlympiaBuebird (talk) 18:03, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::@OlympiaBuebird Looks fine to me! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:10, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

Laurence J Ruggiero (1948 - 2023) was an American Museum Director and Art Historian.

I have several newspaper and magazine citations about Larry. HorizonHarrisburg (talk) 17:19, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:@HorizonHarrisburg I'm not sure this is what you're after, but it's allowed to use off-line citations on Wikipedia. Here's one example.{{cite news |last1=Harrison |first1=Claude |title=Skeeter Reece finds athletic skills are useful as a clown| work=The Philadelphia Tribune |date=June 9, 1981 |page=11}} And if you haven't, take a look at [https://archive.org/search?query=%22Laurence+J+Ruggiero%22&sin=TXT].

:Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:43, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

{{reftalk}}

:Hello, @HorizonHarrisburg. Welcome to the Teahouse.

:{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} (I know your account has been around for a couple of years, but you've only made a few edits).

:As GGS says, your sources do not have to be online; but most of them need to meet the criteria in WP:42 - do they contain significant coverage of Ruggiero, or just a passing mention? Are they based on an interview or press release from Ruggiero or from organisations he was connected with? ColinFine (talk) 18:10, 4 June 2025 (UTC)