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I added to the article about the right-wing politics of the Chinese Communist Party. See Right-wing politics#People's Republic of China. ProKMT (talk) 07:22, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

: I've given it a quick pass. Remsense诉 07:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

::There is more going on here than a single edit. Rather I am concerned you are pushing the WP:FRINGE POV that the Chinese Communist Party is a conservative party. This is happening across dozens of articles. In addition I'm a bit alarmed that this seems to extend generally to treatment of historical anti-western movements in China as de-facto conservative and pro-western movements both historically and in the present political clime as de-facto left-wing. Simonm223 (talk) 12:25, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

:::One of the manifestations of this is an WP:UNDUE focus on a very small group of essays and books by Yuezhi Zhao and Christer Pursiainen - frequently with vague language about "some researchers" or such when, for the most part, it's just those two. Simonm223 (talk) 12:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

::::And one last note is that I don't believe you are accurately reflecting the thrust of Zhao's work. Simonm223 (talk) 12:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

:::::I finished a review of the section on China in that article. Two of the sources are properly represented. The rest vary from kind of WP:SYNTH such as equating a criticism of Xi Jinping as a criticism of the CPC to entirely irrelevant such as a page reference to an article about Li Zicheng. Simonm223 (talk) 13:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

There's currently a discussion to establish consensus on aspects including layout and sourcing on the Hokkien article. Input from folks would be appreciated. Remsense诉 22:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

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Currently, there is an edit dispute in a DAB article. DAB has long been marked "Centre-right" on infoobox, and its source is presented. However, Guotaian changed its political position to "Big Tent". The source presented by Guotaian explains the 'claim' of the DAB, so Guotaian's editing is WP:SYNTH. I want other users to keep an eye on this article. ProKMT (talk) 01:02, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I tried looking on the translation tab, but it was difficult to tell who was still active.

218.54.93.120, has been making changes to the {{tq|zh}} template of a few pages recently. Seems to be interested in removing simplified Chinese and replacing with traditional characters. I want to check to see if these edits should be addressed or are they acceptable? Thanks, -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 02:17, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

:I took a quick look-see, and they seem to be adding traditional more than removing simplified. In any case, here's generally what we do:

:* In the lead sentence and {{tlx|Infobox Chinese}}, we include both forms save in very particular circumstances (i.e. China only has simplified in the lead)

:* In places like the native name of the infobox, we usually only include the form relevant to the individual. They seem to be making a mess of things in this regard.

:Remsense诉 02:40, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

::@Remsense are there edits you think should be reverted? Unfortunately, since they have not edited in a few days (at least through this IP address), it might be futile to warn them. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 05:04, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

:::@Classicwiki, I went through and reverted the ones I saw that were problematic. Seems fine. Remsense诉 05:37, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

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This article is in poor shape and I will try and improve it; however, I'd rather not put much effort into that if it ends up deleted due to lacking notability. I cannot speak Chinese which is what most of the sources appear to be in so I'd like conformation from anyone here that it meets GNG in Chinese sources. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Wanting to see articles on elections in China, I visited this template. But to my disappointment it only links various sessions of the National People's Congress. I don't think this then serves any purpose for the title it contains. Is someone willing to improve this? Or is a better template available to redirect or merge this?

If any of this is not possible, I will move this towards a deletion nomination. Gotitbro (talk) 21:25, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

{{Category|Chinese-language-only video games}} needs populating with games that are not just from mainland China. It was nominated for deletion as a duplicate of a PRC-only videogame category. -- 65.92.244.143 (talk) 06:20, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Kindly direct your comments to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Years#Chinese dating (WP:BIAS/WP:UNDUE) but our current year-by-year handling of the Chinese calendar is somewhere between amusingly bad and nonsensical misrepresentation. We should fix it. Some solutions are obvious (use imperial era numbering), others will require some consensus building (handling regnal dating before the Han, how to appropriately abbreviate dating by the supposed ascension of the Yellow Emperor, &c.). — LlywelynII 22:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

This project is probably more active and should have users able to answer the question. Like I just posted at WPTAIWAN,

(a) As noted since 2013, our actual article on the "Republic of China calendar" entirely omits discussion on how dates before 1912 are handled in the system. Presumably, they aren't handled at all and official practice is to just use {{sc|bce/ce}} Julian/Gregorian dating or the old imperial lunisolar eras. However, we currently have nearly every year of human history back to 719 BC tagged with a "Minguo calendar" equivalent using the form "NNNN before ROC" followed by "民前NNNN年". Is that actually based on anything real whatsoever? Is it the right phrasing in both languages? If it's real, how does it handle the Julian/Gregorian conversion? If it ain't, what was the last date officially using the old lunisolar months?

(b) Those 4000ish year entries are possibly the most prominent use of this system in the English language but, to the extent it can be figured out, is the actual {{sc|wp:english wp:commonname}} of the system "Minguo calendar" like the infobox has, "Republic of China calendar" like our page has (partially based on mistaken parallelism with North Korea), or "ROC era" like Ngram suggests it might be (although also based on lots of discussion of mainland topics during the period 1912{{ndash}}1949)? Whichever one it is, the page and the 4000ish applications of the infobox should both be correct and should both agree. — LlywelynII 20:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

: I think I can answer, though no sources: I haven't really seen Minguo calendar used nearly as much in English. It's not used to backdate at all, it's meant as a civil calendar and saying "前民國400年" or whatever would seem intensely strange, that's just not the point of it. Remsense诉 21:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

::{{ping|Remsense}} I know you're too busy to hunt down specific sources now, but you mean you feel you have seen one of the other terms being used frequently in English? I've definitely seen Minguo as often as ROC (extremely seldomly for either but both in specific detailed contexts), versus absolutely never seeing anyone except Wikipedia writing out all of Republic of China in normal discussion of a date, but ymmv. — LlywelynII 22:18, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

:I left some comments about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Taiwan#So... this is awkward (ROC dating) before I saw this discussion. It seems some sources do mention years like "民國前12年", "民前12年", or "民元前12年", but I think it's more common to use Common Era years or Chinese era name years for events before the late Qing dynasty. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 15:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Anyone interested in joining? 48JCL^TALK 03:02, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

:{{rto|48JCL}} Red link...? --_{Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here} 08:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

::{{yo|Hanyangprofessor2}} It’s in user space. Admin told me to move it back once I had enough people that wanted to join 48JCL TALK 11:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

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(To be moved from The Prehistoric Culture of China shortly). Pretty major topic, was missing until a student of mine translated it from zh wiki just now. Since it is quite important, I am mentioning it here for folks to review and copyedit and so on. Might make for a good WP:DYK perhaps? _{Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here} 08:57, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

:I've begun the copyediting process, but have to leave for work shortly. The article seems good, but I don't think the move to the current title was correct. From the lead sentence: {{!xt|Chinese prehistory refers to the culture of the Stone Age in China.}} No, the subject described in the prose of the article is "material cultures of stone age China" or similar. Prehistory is a much broader topic, and a more cross-disciplinary thing than strictly archaeology. Folly Mox (talk) 12:59, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

::Both might be valid topics, so the title might depend on whether the article is expected to be expanded to become more broad, or if the intention is that a broader Prehistory article be created at some later point. We do already have List of Neolithic cultures of China. The article looks ready for DYK (maybe expand the lead?), but there has been trouble with student editors in the past so they should only nominate if they are planning to stay engaged and answer potential questions from the reviewer. CMD (talk) 14:07, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

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Greetings! Over the past few years, there have been no objections to converting Latin letters and Arabic numerals to ASCII from their full-width forms when they appear in horizontal Chinese, Korean, or Japanese text. I've raised it on MOS and Wikiproject talk pages and made many cleanup edits to articles. I'm making a push to finish that cleanup, and I've been noticing that punctuation, currency symbols, and spaces have the same problem. It looks weird to have the full-width versions mixed in, and they sometimes leak into English-language text. My plan was to start converting punctuation and currency symbols in horizontal text (except where the characters themselves are being discussed) when the July 1 database dump becomes available in a week or two. If you have any questions, objections, concerns, or suggestions, please let me know! Open-circle full stop is not included; the affected characters are: {{char|＂ ＃ ＄ ％ ＆ ＇ ＊ ＋ － ／ ＠ ＼ ＾ ＿ ｀ ￠ ￥ ￦ ＜ ＝ ＞ ｜ ￤}} and the space character. -- Beland (talk) 17:45, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

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Why is the 1854–1856 uprising referred to as the 'Red Turban Rebellion' when the Chinese name '广东洪兵起义' (Guangdong Hongbing Qiyi) makes no mention of 'Red Turbans,' and it is unrelated to the Red Turban Rebellion of the 1300s? Alexysun (talk) 23:09, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

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I was wondering if anyone might have any insight into an issue I've found identifying a Dongshan (东山/東山). While writing M503, I found multiple sources refer to a Dongshan in Zhejiang, eg.[https://imgcdn.cna.com.tw/Eng/WebEngPhotos/800/2024/20240420/1024x1024_62701008876.jpg][https://cdn2.ettoday.net/images/894/894752.jpg]. There is a Dongshan subdistrict in Rui'an, Wenzhou, near the north side of the Feiyun River mouth. It's about the right place, but I can't figure out why it would be important enough to get such a prominent mention on these aviation maps. Thanks for any insight, CMD (talk) 16:19, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

The 4th, 5th, 6th, the 7th and the 8th National People's Congress, as far as I know, doesn't have citations. Thatsciencusguy123 (talk) 10:44, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

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Could someone please weigh in at this discussion regarding citing reliable sources for transliterations. voorts (talk/contributions) 15:10, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Backstory: a few days ago I noticed {{noping|LibStar}} [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Du_Yu&diff=prev&oldid=1246640258 correctly remove] from watchlisted article Du Yu the inappropriate :Category:Mayors of Luoyang. Looking into the category (created in the 2000s or "twenty oh-zeroes" by {{u|Nlu}}), I'm seeing people like Wang Yun (Han dynasty), He Jin (also Han dynasty), and Tang dynasty people like Li Shizhi, Qi Kang (official), Li Shen, and Zhao Yin. This is just the subsample I clicked on, all of whom are premodern.{{pb}}We don't have an article Mayor of Luoyang, Historical administration of Luoyang, or Mayor (China), and both Category talk:Mayors by city in China and Category talk:Mayors of Luoyang are empty. About the closest thing I can find is Chinese Communist Party Committee Secretary, which mentions, (parenthetically and uncited),{{dummy ref|meta}} {{xt|Mayor}} as an alternative to {{xt|Governor}} in translating {{xt|長}}. (For Tang dynasty people, the title for the head of the region including modern Luoyang is 尹 [Governor]. Han dynasty iirc also wouldn't have a 長 in charge of this area, especially the second half of the dynasty when it was the capital: the title isn't prestigious enough.){{pb}}{{Strong|The problem is:}} "Mayor" is clearly anachronistic for certain periods— Tang and earlier definitely, Ming haven't checked, Qing maybe not. Not all the categories in the container are anachronistic like this: :Category:Mayors of Hangzhou is clean, all late Qing to present. I guess I have to look through all of them while we decide what to do.{{pb}}My ideas are:{{bulleted list|Remove all member articles where "mayor" is anachronistic, {{strong|or}}|Rename the categor[y/ies] to something more general that can be applied across all historical periods, {{strong|or}}|Split the categor[y/ies] into premodern and basically modern titles of governance and diffuse as appropriate}}{{pb}}Anyone have any input? Anyone know when "mayor" goes from "wait wtf isn't it 720 CE why do they have a mayor?" to "sure that sounds right"? I brought this here since as mentioned there didn't seem to be a better venue. Folly Mox (talk) 16:31, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

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Hey, I'm broadcasting here that I'd like to swap the established citation style on Logic in China to use CS1 + shortcites, but the article doesn't have many watchers so I'm making sure people who might object can see it. Remsense ‥ 论 03:35, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:Makes sense to me—the current ones seem unnecessarily unwieldily. Aza24 (talk) 04:44, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

::Seems reasonable, most seem to be spiritual shortcites already. CMD (talk) 05:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

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Aka Lepin, big Lego counterfaiter. Pretty underdeveloped article for what I am finding out was and still is a pretty famous (and controversial) brand in some circles (Lego fans). I am surprised there is no zh wiki article. But anyway, the article is written in the present tense but the company (or one of its subsidiaries, at least - Lepin) had major legal trouble in 2019. The article states the company is listed on Chinese stock market, etc. but it may be out of date - perhaps the company was shut down in 2019? Can this be clarified? I.e. was it just their Lepin subsidiary that was closed, or was it the entire Guangdong Loongon? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

:@Folly Mox @TheLonelyPather Any chance either of you could do me a favor and find few minutes to look into that? I am somewhat curious to know the answer... _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:22, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

::Longoon appears still to be operating, although apparently [https://m.sohu.com/a/805014070_114984/?pvid=000115_3w_a they recorded a modest net loss during the first half of this year.] Folly Mox (talk) 03:55, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

::I think the Lepin subsidiary is notable due to the legal cases, but Guangdong Loongon itself is not. Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 12:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

I started this, seems like a notable topic, but most sources seem to be in Chinese. Perhaps someone interested in this could expand it into a DYK in the near future? Seems like a fun topic _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

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Hi everyone I just made this draft article and I was wondering if someone could review it for me. Thanks.

Draft:The Battle of Muddy Flat Historyguy1138 (talk) 23:29, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

This was declined by the reviewer, who thinks GNG is not met. I am not sure. Perhaps someone could take a third look and perhaps rescue this from the draftspace, if possible? _{Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here} 03:18, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

:Responded at {{sectionlink|Draft talk:Chan Sze Chi|Notability}}. Folly Mox (talk) 11:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

::{{Resolved|text=Rescued Folly Mox (talk) 16:49, 5 October 2024 (UTC)}}

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Reopened the move discussion with different proposed targets after the earlier one failed to gain consensus for specific change even though nobody likes the current title.{{pb}}No {{tl|rm}} template since multiple targets are proposed without preference. Noting with amusement that the talkpage of this article appears to consist entirely of move discussions (not much unlike this talkpage right here).{{pb}}Anyway may be of interest to this WikiProject etc. Folly Mox (talk) 16:20, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

An editor has failing to mention content removals in edit summaries. These edits added substantially to article wordcounts, so it is not obvious from the page history that content has been removed.

I'd like to be clear that these content removals were done among genuinely useful edits, and I've talked to the editor about the purpose of edit summaries.

The removed content seems to be stuff the PRC doesn't like; Ai Weiwei, and domestic political protest, and historic domestic ethnic diversity, and probably some content reflecting on national space programs, etc.. I'm not sure how far back the problem goes; not more than dozens to hundreds of edits are affected.

As these removals of controversial content haven't had the level of peer scrutiny that they would likely have had had they been correctly described, could these edits get some scrutiny now, please? Thanks! HLHJ (talk) 19:30, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

I'd like to hear from people who aren't necessarily experts in Korea or Korean history, but are familiar with Wikipedia style as a whole. This is a pretty major topic that would affect thousands of articles.

The topic is on what romanization system to use for Korean history articles. seefooddiet (talk) 21:52, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

I am not sure what's going on here, and it seems to be specific to China-related articles, particularly Chinese history—{{lang|zh|{{abbr|参见．|Confer}}}}Treaty of Nanking. Manchukuo, Opium Wars. Some lone editors go for articles like Chiang Kai-shek, but it seems most common that in a short period of time, several polite, explanatory, but similar edits to the lead come together to the same article, each for a brand new account. The edits are always attempting to be constructive but unfortunately not really improvements so far as I've seen. They are usually unsourced and entirely redundant or misplaced. Then, they disappear after their one edit. Does anyone know if a school program is behind this, or what else it could be? Remsense ‥ 论 20:56, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

:Oh no. Duh. It's a weird automated sockpuppet botnet of sorts, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Caoshuo. Remsense ‥ 论 01:43, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

I noticed that there is an article for each of the radicals in the Kangxi Dictionary, like Radical 62, Radical 25, etc. None of these articles contain more information than is already available in Wiktionary. Has it already been decided that these articles deserve to exist, or should we just delete them? These articles exist in a lot of other languages too. Kzyx (talk) 21:11, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

:I personally don't think they should exist, no. Remsense ‥ 论 01:23, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

::{{U|Kzyx}}, where are you finding e.g. Radical 62 at Wiktionary? There's no Wiktionary entry connected to the Wikidata item. Folly Mox (talk) 01:41, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

:::The "Translingual" section of the Wiktionary page for 戈. It mentions that 戈 is Kangxi radical #62, though it does not mention that it is Simplified Chinese indexing component. In any case, all of these articles only exist to provide those 2 facts, which we can easily add to Wiktionary. Kzyx (talk) 14:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

::::As a counterpoint that is admittedly WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, we have articles for each letter of the alphabet and each Japanese kana, and so on. Based on the same logic we should be able to have articles for the building blocks of Chinese characters (since it is unfeasible to have an article for all Chinese characters). _dk (talk) 00:01, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

:::::Yeah, but each letter of the alphabet and Japanese kana have a unique history to them, and some of these articles are quite extensive, like N (kana) and Q. In comparison, the Kangxi radicals don't have a unique history and there really isn't much to say about them. If the articles are kept, at the very least their names should be changed. Kzyx (talk) 04:30, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

::::::Quite: I'm actually not sure if there's been significant diachronic analysis of radicals—e.g. identifying continuity of radicals in multiple epochal dictionaries over time—if there is, that would immediately make them having their own pages distinctly more reasonable, akin to having articles for letters or syllabograms. Remsense ‥ 论 04:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

::::::I think each Kangxi radical does actually have a unique history, insofar as each is or was at one point a distinct standalone logogram. It would be nice if, in addition to the stats from the Kangxi dictionary, we could include information from Shuowen Jiezi and some modern unabridged character dictionary (which I'm astonished I can't remember any of; the highest profile modern dictionaries tend to be the more useful word dictionaries).{{pb}}It might also be helpful to note (if not already present in the articles) which radicals have been merged in Simplified (Radical 162 does mention this; haven't checked the general case). Folly Mox (talk) 13:27, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

:Some of these do not have a lot of information, but especially the Variant forms are useful and interesting encyclopaedic information, for example at Radical 162 where an (unsourced) section provides some history. I can see no particularly good reason to delete these articles, though. Merging is not a great looking option either; it seems more useful to keep the present way of organising things (and perhaps to think of things to add to these articles; for example, content about individual characters could be added to the radical articles). —Kusma (talk) 08:14, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

::The section is uncited, but doesn't appear to be unsourced: the article includes two general references under the {{code|1===Literature==}} subheading, either of which seem plausible as a source of the section in question. Folly Mox (talk) 13:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

:::In theory, yes. In practice, checking the addition [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Radical_162&diff=prev&oldid=1023922968 here] we have that it is [https://archive.org/details/chinesecalligrap0000fazz/page/64/mode/2up not in the source]. (And not the other one either). Bumm13's original (fairly bare-bones) pages do seem to be sourced using general references as you correctly point out. —Kusma (talk) 13:46, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

::::Thank you for looking more deeply and correcting my misimpression! Folly Mox (talk) 20:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

:If the articles aren't deleted, at the very least I think they should be renamed to something like Radical 戈 or 戈. Kzyx (talk) 04:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Hsuan thu has quite an odd name. Should we change the article name to the pinyin name Xuan tu? Kzyx (talk) 04:09, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

:It certainly is odd, but I'm more concerned that it may be incorrect. I'm not able to access any of the sources to check the transliteration (although the 1940 one is certain not to have used pinyin), but: the article doesn't exist at zh.wp or baidu, there is no mention of {{tq|絃圖}} anywhere at :zh:周髀算經, and every ghit I get is for {{xt|弦圖}}, i.e. chordal graph.{{pb}}The feeling that I'm getting is that one or more of the sources cited by article creator {{u|Krishnachandranvn}} has mistaken a common noun used by later sources to describe this diagram as the Proper Name of the diagram, which applies to it and nothing else.{{pb}}I'm prepared to forgive 絃 for 弦, since the two words have similar meanings (絃 is later), and there could very well be sources that use the term 絃圖 for chordal graphs.{{pb}}Both Hsuan thu and Zhoubi Suanjing are short enough that the former could be merged into Zhoubi Suanjing § Contents, perhaps under its own lvl3 subheading. If we want to keep it as a standalone article, I'd prefer it at a name like Gougu theorem (currently a redirect to Pythagorean theorem) to avoid the common noun issue mentioned. The article has three mainspace inlinks, from Zhoubi Suanjing, Pythagorean theorem, and Bride's Chair. This may also be in play in this matter, but as mentioned I don't seem to have access to any of the sources (the Mathematics Magazine source cited, although hosted at Taylor Francis, is not accessible to the TWL account). Folly Mox (talk) 11:59, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

I'd like to implement some decluttering in the infoboxes for Chinese provinces, possibly integrating the {{tlx|Infobox Chinese}} into it and removing most of the redundant parameters. Am I getting out ahead of my skis here? Remsense ‥ 论 19:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

:Also, I'm curious if we can start phasing out the SVGs of characters, which I assume is there in case there wasn't any font support? Remsense ‥ 论 19:06, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

::{{u|White whirlwind}} introduced many of the character images to {{tlx|Infobox Chinese}}. We had a discussion about it several years ago (I was against), but I can't find it now. Kanguole 19:31, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

:::Thank you for the context! I may go looking later. Remsense ‥ 论 19:48, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

::::The SVGs had dual rationales: One, I thought them aesthetically pleasing; two, they fix the problem of the huge discrepancies in how Chinese fonts are displayed across different browsers, operating systems, and devices. In all likelihood, they are best used only on articles whose titles are Chinese names or words. Kanguole is correct that he objected to them ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_China&diff=prev&oldid=715413656 here], I think) back when I first added them, but nobody joined him.  White Whirlwind  19:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

:::::I am only trying to weigh the pros and cons given my experience with the articles in question here, thank you for the further explanation. Remsense ‥ 论 19:30, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I've been making quite few articles on publicly listed Chinese semiconductor companies recently. I noticed many of them have China Integrated Circuit Industry Investment Fund investing in them. Or they are supported by government related entities like Chinese Academy of Sciences because they were originally projects that commercialized into full companies. Since they are now listed, government ownership for many of them is in the minority region.

So the question is do I just say these companies types are Public? Or do I have to also say they are also State-owned enterprises? Technically speaking many China publicly listed companies you will find some government related entity having a small ownership. But I don't know does that mean we have to go around putting the SOE label for almost everyone one of them. Imcdc Contact 03:12, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:Even private corporations can have national or public entities as investors. I wouldn't consider them to be state-owned solely on that basis. CurryCity (talk) 12:14, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

::I agree, a minority government stake doesn't make a company state-owned. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 13:30, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

There is a discussion which may be of interests to members of this project. SerialNumber54129 13:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

In light of the ongoing anti-corruption campaign under Xi Jinping, many articles in the then-very large {{c|Expelled members of the Chinese Communist Party}} category have recently been diffused to yearly categories. However, there are a number of articles that could not be "dated" because there is no information on when they were expelled: they need information on when they were expelled, with reliable sources whenever possible. Also, some older expulsions may need to be combined into a category called "People expelled from the Chinese Communist Party before 1990" or something but I have trouble making {{tl|Category series navigation}} detect the "cut-off" category. --Minoa (talk) 19:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

File:Symbol watching blue lashes high contrast.svg You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:EVE Energy § Article title. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:35, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

::EVE Energy is a newly created article that needs to be assessed. Perhaps someone from this WikiProject could take a look at it, and also assess whether the article's title should be "EVE" or "Eve". It's possible that EVE is a translation of the company's Chinese name,but it's also possible that capitalization is just for stylistic reasons. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi I am wanting to make contact with another editor that has a good understanding of Chinese Buddhism.🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 Foristslow (talk) 02:38, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

File:Information.svg There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Tajiks of Xinjiang#Requested move 28 October 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Alpha3031 (t • c) 21:06, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Xposting discussion at Template talk:Infobox Chinese#Image of characters. This would affect a significant number of China-related articles, would appreciate input. seefooddiet (talk) 07:04, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Since speedies/DRV don't registser well in the deletion discussion alerts, I'll link this discussion here. This is an article translated from zh wiki, speedied as an attack page and now being discussed at DRV (effectively a deletion discussion). _{Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here} 03:03, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello. I'm not a regular participant in this project, but I am a delegate at WP:FLC. I wanted to note that a couple featured lists I stumbled across don't meet our modern day requirements.

• List of emperors of the Han dynasty
• List of emperors of the Song dynasty

To be more specific, neither one is accessible (row and column scopes are a requirement at FLC now). I don't want to nominate these for featured list removal, as they're both part of featured topics, so I thought I'd bring it up here first as an opportunity for interested editors to make the relevant improvements. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:07, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

:Oh, that's the intersection I'm the most qualified editor for. Will fix this up ASAP, thanks! Remsense ‥ 论 15:10, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

:@Hey man im josh how do they look at present? I feel like I tackled major points but if there's anything else you're noticing LMK Remsense ‥ 论 04:04, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

::Much better @Remsense. Improved enough I'm not going to be looking through them with a fine toothed comb :P Thank you for your work on these!

::Though I do think the specifications for column lengths could be improved (in List of emperors of the Han dynasty), I'm not bothered enough by it to force the issue or anything. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:05, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

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I am writing this; the source I am using, while recent and reliable, states that the number of Chinese POWs who died in WW2 are unknown. I assume this is a sad example of Western bias, as surely there should be some estimates for that from Chinese scholars?

If someone is interested in this topic area, note that we still do not have any article about Japanese war crimes against the POWs. I just finished one for the Germans, which also was missing... see the linked article for list of what we have. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:54, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

:Update: I have now created Allied prisoners of war in Japan. The best estimate for Chinese POW I have is "tens of thousands every year", with an unknown fatality rate outside the somewhat shocking statistics that only 56 Chinese POWs were released after Japan surrendered. Can anyone find anything better? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:50, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

== Proposed split of Landlord deity ==

I have proposed a split of the Landlord deity article which may be of interest to this project. I would appreciate your thoughts in the discussion on the talk page. Erynamrod (talk) 11:09, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Closed rfc top

Hi there, I and another editor are discussing whether Chen Zongying should be moved to "Chen Congying". I would love additional input from editors more familiar with Chinese to English transliteration/romanization on whether the move should happen or not. ForsythiaJo (talk) 18:59, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

File:Information.svg There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Mausoleum of the First Qin Emperor#Requested move 27 December 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Remsense ‥ 论 05:23, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

When i visited sichuan a week ago i noticed some police cars were marked with "{{Ill|Sichuan Public Security Department|zh|四川省公安廳}} Highway patrol" but i don't see much information on chinese provincial highway patrol agencies on wikipedia.

Can someone do some more digging into this subject?

Will also post on wikiproject law enforcement. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 15:25, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

:Update: Found an article on [https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E5%9B%9B%E5%B7%9D%E7%9C%81%E5%85%AC%E5%AE%89%E5%BB%B3%E9%AB%98%E9%80%9F%E5%85%AC%E8%B7%AF%E5%85%AC%E5%AE%89%E5%B1%80/22036630 Baidu encyclopedia] on the exact agency Thehistorianisaac (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

X-posting here.

I'm offering a $150+ reward for each top-importance WikiProject Korea article improved to WP:GOODARTICLE status. A number of these articles are directly or indirectly related to China, so figured I'd post here too.

There's some limitations to this though; for details see Wikipedia:Reward board#Top importance WikiProject Korea articles and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea#Article bounty. seefooddiet (talk) 10:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Roco Kingdom (game). Abandoned by the student creator, since the course finished. We have three very bad, AfD-asking, articles on related media (animated films) that may be deleted without redirecting if there is no main article for this to be redirected to: Roco Kingdom: The Desire of Dragon, Roco Kingdom 3 and Roco Kingdom 4. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:03, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

:Most information comes from other wikis, forums, app stores, Tencent itself, or game review websites such as TapTap, which would not really address the problem. Vacosea (talk) 23:41, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

::@Vacosea There are no RS to even write a stub about it? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:37, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

:::There are a few Xinhua and other sources unaffiliated with Tencent so that might work. Vacosea (talk) 22:32, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

::::@Vacosea Any chance you could stub something about it using them? Not sure if much from the draft is usable, but I keep thinking this warrants some entry on en wiki. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

:::::It turns out that Xinhua coverage is mostly about derivative works. I will do what I can. Vacosea (talk) 20:30, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Just thought I'd ask; has anyone got access to a pre-1930 printing of The Scarecrow, maybe through a university library? All of the covers online are from the 80s or later, and the article is currently unillustrated.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 11:54, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

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The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Qingyun_Wang&redirect=no Qingyun Wang] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at {{section link|1=Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 January 23#Qingyun Wang}} until a consensus is reached. 65.92.246.77 (talk) 23:24, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello!

I am currently writing an article, and one of my references is authored by somebody called Li Yifan. I know that the Chinese naming convention is different than the western one, so I'm just wondering what is the surname and what is the first name here.

Thank you, --QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 12:35, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

:"Li" is the surname. Chinese surname may be edifying in this regard, but I haven't looked at it recently. Thank you for asking! Folly Mox (talk) 13:57, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

This is a short article created by a student of mine, translated from zh wiki. I worry she might have invented the name (with machine translation); I am not getting any non-wikipedia hits for that. Could someone check whether it needs renaming? TIA _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:57, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:Yes, looks like an erroneous machine translation to me. Unless there are reliable sources using the spelling "Seema", it should be moved to Xima Lake or maybe Lake Xima. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 15:52, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

::Moved after negative findings for transliteration as "Seema". Folly Mox (talk) 01:42, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

:::@Folly Mox @Mx. Granger Thanks. Can someone double check GPS coordinates? I am not seeing any lake (body of water...) in the maps that I open... _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:48, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

::::Well, this is interesting: the coordinates do seem correct, and [https://www.mee.gov.cn/ywgz/hjyxpj/jsxmhjyxpj/xmslqk/201605/W020160522145818780608.pdf this 2015 government report] (25mb pdf) does show a reservoir at the location specified (p 162), as an extension or something of the nearby larger Hongyashan Reservoir (:zh:紅崖山水庫). It also mentions that due to some problems, the Xima reservoir was only actually used a few times immediately following its construction, and photos on the following p 163 show that it was not a body of water in 2015 (gmaps's satellite layer seems to corroborate this; unsure of its recency).{{pb}}Unless I've misread or totally overlooked something, this lake isn't.{{pb}}{{u|Piotrus}}, any way you could convince your student (if still enroled in your course) to translate :zh:紅崖山水庫 instead? I'd propose merging Lake Xima into it, since I don't believe Lake Xima is independently notable, even as a former geographical feature. As it stands I'm not sure there's a valid merge target, although I haven't checked Minqing County and have to go soon. Folly Mox (talk) 14:57, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

:::::@Folly Mox Interesting research. Sadly, the student's motivation to do anything after the course finished is close to zero (plus students in Mainland China have to use VPN to edit Wiki, which is extra demotivating). Is there anyone here interested in geography of China who could comment more, or translate that other, short article so we could merge and redirect this? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:04, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

:::::Bumping this thread because I forgot about this, even to the point that I forgot to correct "Minqing County" above to Minqin County, which I noticed almost immediately. Folly Mox (talk) 13:59, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Editors are encouraged to propose and discuss the suitability of candidate images at Talk:Mao Zedong#Lead photo. Remsense ‥ 论 23:50, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

The LG Cup is a competition which had a recent controversy between China and South Korea over the rules and refereeing. The question is, how should the final score be summarized? Please join Talk:LG Cup (Go) and weigh in on the dispute. Adumbrativus (talk) 08:19, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

{{Resolved|1=Bought it with my own money. $36 for 2 pages... worth it! QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 17:04, 31 January 2025 (UTC)}}

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• {{cite magazine |ref=none |no-tracking=yes |last=Liu |first=Jue |date=2014-03-01 |title=Shamate Alecks |magazine=The World of Chinese |publisher= |location= |page=72–74 |url= |access-date= |isbn= |issn= |oclc= }}

{{refend}}

Hello!

I know this isn't the resource exchange, and I have also asked there, but I thought my chances here might be higher in case somebody happens to have access to this article.

I need this article for my draft, Draft:Shamate (yes it's currently empty but I have written a lot, just haven't published it yet)

I found it [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/263246738_Shamate_Alecks on ResearchGate], but there's no PDF, and I found it [https://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/woc/woc/2014/00000004/00000002/art00011?crawler=true#expand/collapse on Ingenta] too, but it costs $30 to access.

Thanks, QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 14:33, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

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Happy new year. This stub has been unsourced for 20 years, and tagged so for 15 years. Please find and add reliable sources to this article. Bearian (talk) 05:14, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

{{Moved discussion from|Wikipedia:Teahouse#Question about names in citations| 2=QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 12:18, 2 February 2025 (UTC)}}

Hello!
I'm trying to cite [https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1007272 this article] by Veronica Wang Jingyi, but I don't know what to put for the |last= and |first= parameter, because I think that "Wang" is the surname of the author.
So do I format it like |last= Wang |first= Veronica Jingyi like so:
{{refbegin}}
{{cite magazine |last=Wang |first=Veronica Jingyi |date=2016-07-28 |title=How China's White-Collar Workers Are Co-Opting Blue-Collar Punk |url=https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1007272 |magazine=Sixth Tone |location= |publisher= |access-date=2025-02-02}}
{{refend}}
or do I simply use the |author= parameter like so:
{{refbegin}}
{{cite magazine |author=Veronica Wang Jingyi |date=2016-07-28 |title=How China's White-Collar Workers Are Co-Opting Blue-Collar Punk |url=https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1007272 |magazine=Sixth Tone |location= |publisher= |access-date=2025-02-02}}
{{refend}}
Thanks, and sorry, because I am really not accustomed to Chinese naming conventions... QuickQuokka [⁠talk • contribs] 11:43, 2 February 2025 (UTC)
:Hi {{u|QuickQuokka}}. You might want to try asking about this at :Wikipedia talk:WikiProject China because most likely it's something that someone else has brought up before. Perhaps even check that talk page's archive because there could be something there about it. There's also :Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese) which provides some guidance that might be helpful. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:15, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

:{{U|QuickQuokka}}, either of those options is correct (and Wang is indeed the surname, unless it is Wāng). Using {{para|last}} {{para|first}} results in slightly cleaner metadata and facilitates potential future conversion to Shortened footnotes, if you care about either of those things. You could also use {{para|last|Wang}} {{para|first|Veronica Jingyi}} {{para|author-mask|Veronica Jingyi Wang}} for all the benefits except tidy wikicode.{{pb}}(As an aside, it's pretty clever how the author has centralised her surname, making both her English and Chinese names sound natural in the sequence.){{Pb}}On a completely separate tangent, do be aware of WP:SIXTHTONE. This article is on a cultural topic so should be fine, but the publication is considered generally unreliable for political topics.{{Pb}}Figuring out someone's surname is not always super cut and dry, and I've sometimes had to find an author's actual Chinese name written in Chinese in order to determine which is which, since the sequence can vary across publications. List of common Chinese surnames might be helpful for you to check against, or even Template:100 most common surnames in mainland China, Template:101–200 Most Common Family Names in mainland China, or :Category:Individual Chinese surnames. Folly Mox (talk) 15:10, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

::{{Re|Folly Mox}} Thank you! Very helpful! I will take your advice to heart. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 15:12, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

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Hello!

I recently discovered the template {{tl|Chinese}}, where you can put Chinese romanizations in the template. However, I then soon discovered that on Wiktionary, they have a template called {{((}}zh-pron}} (interwiki link), which automatically creates the other romanizations given the Pinyin. E.g. if I write

{{zh-pron

|m=Zhōngguó

}}

it automatically generates something like this, with Pinyin Bopomofo, Tongyong Pinyin, Wade-Giles, Yale, Gwoyeu Romatzyh, the Palladius system, and IPA transliterations.

As for dialects, it supports Mandarin, Sichuanese, Dungan, Cantonese, Taishanese, Gan, Hakka, Jin, Northern Min, Middle Chinese, Eastern Min, Hokkien, Teochew, Leizhou Min, Old Chinese, Puxian Min, Southern Pinghua, Wu, Xiang, Loudi Xiang, and Hengyang Xiang

I was wondering whether something like this could be added to the {{tl|Chinese}} template, and whether it would be wanted or needed. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 16:58, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

:In general, {{tlx|Infobox Chinese}} needs to be entirely rewritten. I am not entirely aware of the flexibility of the Wiktionary system, but it's surely something worth considering during such a rewrite. One point to remember is that Wikipedia is not a dictionary, as such, we would still require editors to manually specify which relevant forms should appear in each case.Remsense ‥ 论 19:07, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

:Duplicating and localising all the dependencies of :wikt:Module:zh-pron seems like a tremendous amount of work balanced against a potential benefit that's really more in Wiktionary's remit than ours.{{pb}}This feels lazy to say, but I don't really want to deal with the consequences of things like {{smalldiv|{{xt2|{{bulleted list|Putting an asterisk * before an initial blocks lenition, such as {{linktext|瑞士}} and {{linktext|茉莉花茶}}.|Putting an exclamation mark ! after the syllable blocks rhyme change, such as {{linktext|更更}}.|Putting a backslash \ after the syllable indicates that diminutive tone sandhi should be invoked for that syllable, such as {{linktext|鍋鍋}}.|Pronunciations that cannot be inferred from BUC are indicated using a greater-than symbol > followed by the actual pronunciation, such as {{linktext|食}} and {{linktext|茉莉}}.}}}}}}This is just the documentation for Bàng-uâ-cê, and definitely more of a dictionary thing than an encyclopaedia thing. Also for almost any given article, more than like three or four different pronunciations are firmly in cruft territory. Folly Mox (talk) 19:30, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

What is the quality of Chinese → English machine translation, and which service is the best?

I've considered Google Translate, DeepL, and Baidu Fanyi.

Thanks, QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 18:03, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

:I don't have an answer for the second question, but from everything I've seen, the quality is pretty scattershot. Text similar to modern natural speech and other informal language is accurate for the most part. Anything more formal or archaic or uh highfalutin— those will really confuse google translate at least (no experience with the other two directly, although I'm sure I've seen Baidu's product's output unattributed in the wild). Folly Mox (talk) 18:45, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

:I have been using GPT for the past year and find it much better than Google and DeepL. If you give the right prompt and instructions to GPT, it can come up with a tone and style that caters to your specific project. I am using the free version. TheIntrospectorsfacts (talk) 21:51, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

::{{U|TheIntrospectorsfacts}}, are you able to provide an example Chinese language source snippet alongside ChatGPT's proposed translation of the text? Maybe participants at this venue could offer better feedback with some examples. Folly Mox (talk) 19:34, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

:::It's best for the user to play with GPT for his personalized project, where he can direct GPT to adopt an informal, formal, colloquial tone, set the contexts, or adjust word choices. GPT sometimes also comes with multiple versions of translations and let the user pick his/her preference, so it will cater further translation to the user's style. GPT is a more dynamic translation tool, and the outcome is very much shaped by the interactive process between the user and the tool. Hope this helps. TheIntrospectorsfacts (talk) 21:29, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

High-speed rail in China was redirected a few hours ago by an IP to Taiwan High Speed Rail. I can't find any such RfC and while I've asked the IP this particular address is shared and has only 5 edits, so I'm worried I won't get a response. Does anyone here have any idea what RfC this could be referring to? Given the subject area I'd like to be very sure this is actually following consensus. Rusalkii (talk) 19:39, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

:I would be very surprised if this wasn't vandalism. _dk (talk) 22:32, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

::Yeah, I kind of suspected shenanigans, but it was a sufficiently weird edit summary I figured I'd ask. Looks like it's been reverted, anyway. Rusalkii (talk) 22:37, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

A large amount of information, particularly everything after about 1920, was recently removed from the article on Chen Jiongming by User:Czar, with WP:TNT as a rationale. I agree that verifiability is important, though this has left the article with an incomplete narrative, since there is now no information on Chen's split with Sun Yat-sen in 1922, the rest of his life, nor his political legacy. The article also currently relies almost entirely on a single source, so a general re-write is probably in order. — Goszei (talk) 23:23, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

Sea of Japan naming dispute has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 01:25, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

Hey everybody,

Turns out People's Armed Police IGC provincial units are called "corps" and not "contingents"(which for the 1st and 2nd mobile contingents is correct, just not for provincial units). If you see any article with text such as "People's Armed Police (province name) contingent" please change it to "People's Armed Police (province name) corps". I will also be posting this on wikiproject law enforcement and wikiproject military history. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 23:58, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

I have nominated Felice Beato for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm _Talk 03:33, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

I have nominated Flag of Hong Kong for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 (talk) 14:01, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Currently, I am having difficulty finding sources to verify the Family section in the articles about Chinese emperors. The current information has been available for a long time or translated from zhwiki. Specifically regarding the Ming dynasty emperors, I can find some information about the princes and princesses from the History of Ming, but there isn't much information about the consorts. Min968 (talk) 16:09, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

:Which emperor? You can try a quoted search at s:zh:Special:Search. For example, the info {{slink|Xuande_Emperor#Consorts_and_issue}} appears in s:zh:國榷/卷首之一. 173.206.105.221 (talk) 20:31, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

File:Symbol watching blue lashes high contrast.svg You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:China Railway § Requested move 17 February 2025. 173.206.105.221 (talk) 20:31, 25 February 2025 (UTC)