Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 169#Changing access-date attribute language

:in regards to old revisions which appears to be the question by Ivanvector, probably somebody could code a JS script that could fix some of it, apart from that I don't think it can/would be fixed Galobtter (pingó mió) 20:05, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

:If I get annoyed enough by this, I'm going to write a script where you can click on a location in the text to mark the proper end of a strikeout, without having to dig through many kilobytes worth of archive text. Enterprisey (talk!) 20:22, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

::Regarding old revisions, I'm also kind of okay with "you'll just have to live with it". At worst it's kind of annoying. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 20:37, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, that's not possible AFAIK. Only Developers can retrieve that kind of data. –Ammarpad (talk) 18:20, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

::{{u|Ammarpad}}, actually they can't either. Well, in theory some system administrators probably can, by opening the vault with the backups, but I don't think that has ever been done for something as small an issue like this. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 21:17, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

:::{{re|Ammarpad|TheDJ}} Thanks for the replies. I'll {{self-trout}} then and take it as a sign to slim down my Watchlist. Regards SoWhy 06:06, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

File:Bell Relay Computer.png

We've got an image, :File:Bell Relay Computer.png. It looks reasonably well exposed, if somewhat low contrast. I can see detail in the technician's white shirt, and even a little in his black shoes.

In Model V, we use that as a thumbnail. Here, the image looks highly underexposed. The technician is barely visible in the shadows. Is this loss of dynamic range an inevitable result of the size reduction? Is there anything that can be done to improve this? I can certainly download the image to my box, adjust things there, and upload a new copy, but I'm thinking more of something I can do within the wikimedia system. And something that will work across all image sizes. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:37, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

:Top image is 240px, bottom is 241px. I think this is phab:T68337. Galobtter (pingó mió) 14:00, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

:Actually phab:T106516 seems to be it. Galobtter (pingó mió) 14:17, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

::It's really inexcusable that this bug has gone on for over three years without a fix. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 15:06, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

:::If you think that's bad; the company I last worked for left their private servers wide open to the internet for four years. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 19:08, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

{{clear}}

(Please reply here, not to this IP address's talk page.) --76.69.47.228 (talk) 20:22, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

:{{ping|Ohconfucius}} somewhat recently updated User:Ohconfucius/script/EngvarB.js and may be able to help here. — xaosflux ^Talk 17:21, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

:Thanks I've left a message. Keith-264 (talk) 17:59, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

::I don't understand why this is happening, nor can I offer an explanation at this point. However, I did manage to get the script buttons by importing my monobook script. Perhaps you can try doing that instead of importing the EngvarB script? Please note that you will get maybe five sets of Engvar script buttons. Not ideal, I know, but at least they appear. {{wink}} -- Ohc ^¡digame! 07:55, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

:{{ping|Reedy}} this is one for you. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 14:56, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

::I doubt PyAWB even works, it's not been touched for 9 years. [https://sourceforge.net/p/pyawb/code/HEAD/tree/] Reedy (talk) 22:04, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

:{{ping|Reedy}}Can I use PyAWB instead of AWB. Please help.--PATH SLOPU ^(Talk) 01:35, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

::Try it, if it works, it works. If it doesn't, it doesn't. However, see the response above: this is pretty much outdated abandonware, and will most likely fail epically in several places, and make edits that no longer have consensus, or which are no longer valid. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 01:41, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

:{{ping|Headbomb}}Thank you for your advice. Sir, I queried about this because I would like to use AWB for my bot. But I am using linux. I tried to install wine with software centre and get-apt. But I couldn't install it because of some technical problems. Is there any alternate way for that. Sir, please help.PATH SLOPU ^(Talk) 15:53, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

::{{Re|Path slopu}} Just so you know, you don't need to call people 'sir' or 'madam' or whatever every time you post somewhere. We're all equals here. Just call people by their username and talk to them normally. As for what to do with Wine or PyAWB, I suspect the best place to get advice would be at WT:AWB. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:58, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

::{{ping|Path slopu}} You could try building your bot with Pywikibot instead. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 17:07, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

:::{{U|Ahecht}} - FYI Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Pathbot — fr ⁺ 05:50, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

::{{ping|Headbomb|Ahecht|FR30799386}}I placed my doubt in WT:AWB. I used pywikibot in earlier time. But I understood that AWB is more better than python for doing my bot's task to avoid mistakes. So I tried for AWB.PATH SLOPU ^(Talk) 09:12, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

::{{ping|Headbomb|Ahecht|FR30799386}}Hi greetings, I added a request for using JWB for my bot in WP:PERM/AWB. Is it correct? Am I place the request in correct page? Kindly please help.--PATH SLOPU ^(Talk) 12:11, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

::{{re|Gonnym}} If you are searching for articles beginning with a specific string, you can look at this page which does appear to provide an option to hide redirects. I'm unsure if there's a corresponding page that handles titles containing a specific string.—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 21:30, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

:::{{ping|Cpt.a.haddock}} I'm trying to find titles using certain disambiguations. So "intitle" works for that, but then it just gives me all the redirects as well which defeat the purpose of my search. Prefix won't help here. --Gonnym (talk) 21:35, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

::::I was having this problem also, likely for a similar reason. It would be very nice if I could discard results from redirects. I think :phab:T73491 probably blocks any similar functionality. --Izno (talk) 22:39, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

There's a script SearchSuite by {{u|The Transhumanist}} that can hide redirect results, and make various other improvements/adjustments to search result pages - Evad37 [talk] 12:07, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

:Amazing! Thank you very much! --Gonnym (talk) 12:17, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

:: You are welcome. :)    — The Transhumanist   12:25, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

: {{ping|Izno|Gonnym}} From SearchSuite's documentation:

:: SR redirecteds

:: Turning this off doesn't just remove the notes that say "redirect from", it removes the entire entries that include those notes. It also removes entries of items from related categories, and the results that match subheadings.

:: Turning it back on, adds those items back onto the list.

:: This feature helps narrow search results down to the topic entered.

: I hope you find it useful.    — The Transhumanist   12:25, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

::So far it is. The way Wikipedia's system is set-up is mind blowing to me. Instead of creating a system where a title and a disambiguation are two separate entities, they are just another string in the system. This made searching for incorrect usages extremely hard. Thanks again for creating this! --Gonnym (talk) 12:30, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

:Unicode doesn't have a precomposed character of G with a macron below. So you would have to use the combining diacritic {{unichar|0331|cwith=◌}}, as in "G̱". Nardog (talk) 21:14, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

:: Thank you.—Cpt.a.haddock (talk) (please ping when replying) 21:26, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

:::More at Macron below#Precomposed characters. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:00, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

1. The watchlist filter does not load. Just gets stuck on the three loading dots permanently.
2. Twinkle doesn't load when I open a article.
3. I'm unable to open any collapsed navboxes. The "show" links are just not present.

I'm not experiencing these issues in other browsers (Edge and IE). --The1337gamer (talk) 09:52, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

:It works for me. Google Chrome 69.0.3497.92, Windows 10, Vector. What is your skin at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering? Does https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Watchlist?safemode=1 work? Do navboxes work if you log out? PrimeHunter (talk) 10:18, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

::Also on Chrome 69.0.3497.92, Windows 10, Vector. Had to check the skin on Edge because I can't actually access Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering on Google Chrome since the tabs on Preferences don't load either when I select them. Watchlist filter is missing from that safe mode link and collapsed navboxes also don't work when I log out. --The1337gamer (talk) 10:35, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

:::It sounds like a browser problem with JavaScript. Does https://www.whatismybrowser.com/detect/is-javascript-enabled say JavaScript is enabled? Try to clear your entire cache. Does JavaScript work at other sites? Do you have Chrome extensions or security settings which may disable or cripple JavaScript at some sites? If you make tests at Wikipedia then I suggest being logged out. If navboxes work when logged out then you can test whether all is well when you log in. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:40, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

:::: This happened to me and was caused by uBlock Origin. — JJMC89 (T·C) 16:23, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

::::: It seems it is the AdBlock extension on Chrome causing it for me. I've added Wikipedia to the whitelist filter and the issues are now resolved. Thanks for the help both of you. --The1337gamer (talk) 16:56, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

:I just reverted this IP edit to {{tl|ISO639-1}}. It has 224 transclusions which isn't a great deal but perhaps an admin would like to add some protection. Johnuniq (talk) 09:27, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

::Thanks, John! --76.69.47.228 (talk) 20:19, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

:::Airplaneman has protected the redirect against IP. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:17, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Any help would be greatly appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 001JakubSvec (talk • contribs) 04:12, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

: I've removed the statement. The count hadn't been updated since 2015. — JJMC89 (T·C) 04:34, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

: JJMC89, thank you for the speedy update, but I was mostly curious about how Wikipedia determined that in the first place, even if it was in 2015 that it determined that statistic. -001JakubSvec — Preceding unsigned comment added by 001JakubSvec (talk • contribs) 12:26, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

::This example was kept at Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics/Count. The page history [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mathematics/Count&action=history] shows it was updated by a bot until 16 June 2015‎. The edit summaries only said "daily update from wikilabs". Other examples have used counts of articles tagged by a WikiProject. Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics uses {{tl|Maths rating}} but it only has around 17,000 transclusions. :Category:Mathematics articles by quality gives the same total. I don't know where the bot counted the extra articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:04, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

:{{u|Black Kite}}, does it work now? Works for me now after [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=859943646&oldid=858026859&title=Crime_Does_Not_Pay_(comics) this] which I think allows navpopups to detect the bold lead instead of skipping to the bold text in Crime_Does_Not_Pay_(comics)#Spinoffs Galobtter (pingó mió) 09:36, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

:Also, when you're logged out, mw:Page_Previews is used which is different from Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation_popups Galobtter (pingó mió) 09:39, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

::Seems to be working for me now (I am the editor who first raised ths at ERRORS). Thanks all for the help. DuncanHill (talk) 13:39, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

::Yes, it works for me now as well, thanks. It's still a bug, though, isn't it? Black Kite (talk) 18:15, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Also, there's at least one feature that's likely to be useful: You can now give people a link to the relevant sub-section, not just the tab. This means that the WP:AFD instructions can be updated to tell people to go to "https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets-browsing" to turn on Twinkle (for example), rather than just to the gadgets tab, and then to scroll around until you find it. Later, that team is hoping to change things so that individual items (e.g., the Twinkle button itself) can be linked and highlighted. So there's some good news here. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:06, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

:You can also test this locally at Special:Preferences and tacking ?ooui=1 to the end of the URL. --Izno (talk) 21:42, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

:There's an external tool or two lying around which list parameters which are unused, but I don't know if unused in specific templates... You could use AWB, search for "hastemplate:infobox song", and then set it to skip when it detects | *paraname *= *.* or something like that. --Izno (talk) 23:53, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

::If those are required (or very nice to have) parameters, it might be worth it to add a tracking category for parameters that are missing. For an example of such a category, see {{cl|Comics infobox missing language parameter}}. If you need help, post on the template's talk page and ping me. I'll stop by. – Jonesey95 (talk) 09:19, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

:{{u|TenPoundHammer}}, see templates with missing [https://tools.wmflabs.org/bambots/TemplateParam.php?action=missing&wiki=enwiki&template=Infobox+song¶m=genre genre] and missing [https://tools.wmflabs.org/bambots/TemplateParam.php?action=missing&wiki=enwiki&template=Infobox+song¶m=writer writer]. One can't find instances missing the other two parameters using this tool because they aren't set as "suggested" parameters in the WP:TemplateData for {{t|infobox song}} (though one could change that and it'll come in next month's report) Galobtter (pingó mió) 09:31, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

:This could be one of two things:

:* There was a gadget or user script lying around which implemented this. Verify you aren't loading one of those.

:* This is part of the recent (a few months ago) watchlist improvements. You can verify those are turned on if there is no checkmark at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist. Either a) you can opt out there entirely for all improvements or b) you can go to the watchlist itself, find the button that says "Live updates", and press it, such that a triangle ("play") displays after, rather than a square ("stop").

: --Izno (talk) 23:29, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

::Thanks, Izno. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:14, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

:::Flyer, there's a button right above the first date/item. It says "Live updates". If it's selected/dark blue, then un-select it. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:22, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

:{{Re|Épine}} are you using the app/mobile view/desktop view/etc? If not using the app, are you only having this issue with certain browsers? — xaosflux ^Talk 16:15, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

::{{ping|Xaosflux}} I’m using desktop mode on an iPad, Safari browser. I rarely edit using the wiki app. The browser is not an issue, the way the apple products are designed to copy content is. This issue can be easily resolved with a small and quick tool that can either be developed by a user or the wikimedia foundation. I don’t know why this issue keeps getting overlooked.--▸ ‎épine _talk♬ 18:36, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

:::The Editing team has been talking about some problems with mobile editing. Épine, would you mind leaving a note at mw:Talk:Mobile editing using the visual editor report about this? It's not strictly on topic, but I think it'll be the best way to make sure that everyone on the team sees it. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:38, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

::::{{ping|Whatamidoing (WMF)}} I don’t think it’s appropriate to address this issue there. I think they’re talking about the visual editor which I never use, I only use source editor. If you can address it on my behalf I would appreciate it.--▸ ‎épine _talk♬ 18:55, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

:::::Épine, at the moment, they're mostly talking about basic problems with using mobile devices, including copying and pasting, so I'm sure they'd be interested. (Presumably Safari's copying/pasting system is the same on all of the editing tools on Wikipedia.) I can certainly talk to them for you, if that's what you prefer. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:01, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

::::::{{ping|Whatamidoing (WMF)}} you have a higher chance of being listened to (made some other requests that are left unanswered for some reason) so please do so and warn them about this issue. On PC you can just ctl+a and select everything while on tablets on phones you can’t execute an action like that. Note that copying from protected pages is even worse. Thank you.—▸ ‎épine _talk♬ 22:15, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

:::::::I've started with a note on that page. I pinged you, so you can make sure that I accurately described the problem. I also pinged Jess, the team's new designer. I think she'll be particularly interested in this problem. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:48, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

:{{ping|Marianian}} You should now be able to set {{para|sortable}} to any value to add sortability. --Izno (talk) 20:29, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

:: Hi, I think it takes more than adding the parameter to {{tl|Scrolling table/top}}. I tested it and I cannot see the functionality to sort the values. For the record, using Firefox 62.0. Best, --Marianian^(talk) 21:48, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

:::{{ping|Marianian}} So I just took a second look, and what you're requesting cannot be done with the way the templates are implemented. The general point I'm going to make is that the table is fake -- it might look like a single table, but it is actually two tables. I'm half tempted to send the templates to TFD because a) they are not widely used and b) should not be used at all, as I would guess they are inaccessible. --Izno (talk) 22:07, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

I have repeatedly encountered the problem and tried to searched and asked for solution but still can't find anything that can help me.

On mobile devices, due to the limited amount of memory, it's easy for browser tabs to be clear out of memory when user opened too much other tabs to look for information when from other sites.

Normally, when browser reload those tabs when user switch into the tab after the tab being cleared out if the memory, it would still be possible for original text in editor field to be loaded back.

However, since that wikitext mobile editor was dynamically pulled in the page, this browser text field recovery process could not work, and thus hours and hours of edits that would have been made via mobile browsers have all go into vain thanks to that completely counterproductive design.

How to permanently disable that?

C933103 (talk) 03:08, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

:C933103, which of the multiple mobile-editing systems is being used here? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:59, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

::{{ping|Whatamidoing (WMF)}} The one with "#/editor/0" appear in URL when used. C933103 (talk) 18:02, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

:::C933103, I asked a couple of tech folks about this, and I have sort of bad news and maybe-okay news. There doesn't seem to be a way to change the browser behavior. The default at "#/editor/0" is the Javascript-based mobile wikitext editor, and there's no way to stop the browser from clearing out the memory, nor is there any autosave. (The original text in the editing window is only auto-reloaded by some browsers, some times, usually on desktop.) However – and this is the maybe-okay news – if you can switch to the mobile visual editor, then you'll get a built-in autosave feature which would usually save your work in such cases (although it's not guaranteed). Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 15:07, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

::::{{ping|Whatamidoing (WMF)}} So that mean I can switch the editor, but I can only switch it to the mobile visual one instead of the traditional desktop one? If editor switching is already possible, can I request the feature pf switching it to the traditional mobile one? 221.127.109.116 (talk) 16:16, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

:::::If the URL says "#/editor/0" at the end, then you aren't using "the traditional desktop one" (of which there are about four, depending upon how you count them, plus multiple other "non-traditional" mw:editors). If you are on the mobile website, regardless of device, then you have only three options for editing:

:::::# The "traditional" (but not the "original") mobile wikitext editor (You are using this if Javascript is enabled in your browser, and you see wikitext.)

:::::# An empty HTML box, aka the 2003 wikitext editor (Javascript is disabled. You will see wikitext but no toolbar or buttons.)</p> <p>:::::# The visual editor (This is the only option that doesn't show wikitext codes. It is also the only option that has a built-in auto-save feature.)</p> <p>:::::You can already switch between all of the three available options. Unfortunately, what nobody can do right now is:</p> <p>:::::* make any of the visual editor's built-in features (its citation filling tool, its auto-save feature, etc.) appear in any of the other editing environments (and vice versa), or</p> <p>:::::* make the web browser on your phone auto-save lost work in the same way that the web browser on your laptop auto-saves lost work. Note this key detail: If you accidentally close a tab in Chrome or Firefox on your Windows laptop, and your changes are restored when you re-open the tab, that recovery is being done directly by Chrome or Firefox on your laptop – not by anything Wikipedia controls. So far, it appears that the makers of mobile web browsers have not chosen to provide a similar feature on mobile browsers. You'd have to contact the makers of UC Browser, Opera, Firefox, etc., and ask them to build that (and then it would work for all websites).</p> <p>:::::<a href='?title=User%3AWhatamidoing_%28WMF%29'>Whatamidoing (WMF)</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AWhatamidoing_%28WMF%29'>talk</a>) 18:33, 12 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::::{{ping|Whatamidoing (WMF)}} I mean, do you know how can I switch from using "#/editor/0" by default, into using "?action=edit§ion=0" by default? Or alternatively, how can I change to use the "2003 wikitext editor" you described while still staying in the mobile skin when reading? I can't find where can I make such a switch option. <a href='?title=User%3AC933103'>C933103</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AC933103'>talk</a>) 21:32, 12 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::::::<a href='?title=User%3AC933103'>C933103</a>, sorry for the late reply. I don't think that you can switch the URL. You get the 2003 WTE by turning off Javascript in your web browser, but (a) you might not like the results, since lots of pages will look worse and most tools will disappear, and (b) I don't think it would solve your actual problem.</p> <p>:::::::Your actual problem is that your web browser is running out of memory and, as a result, actively throwing away your unsaved changes. Since the problem is "browser out of memory, throwing away all the changes", then it seems to me that it is unlikely that you will, even in the 2003 WTE, get "browser out of memory, throwing away all the changes – also, saving those changes in memory, just case he re-opens this tab". The reason that a desktop web browser (sometimes) saves your changes when you accidentally close a tab is because your desktop browser is <em>not</em> running out of memory, so it has a place to save those. If your mobile web browser had memory to save it, it wouldn't have thrown it away in the first place. But it has no memory to spare, so it throws away your changes permanently, with no hope of recovery.</p> <p>:::::::I don't think that there is any change you can make on Wikipedia that will stop your web browser from actively throwing away your changes on Wikipedia when it runs out of memory. If you need Wikipedia to save your changes, so that they can (usually) be recovered when your web browser throws them away (or crashes), then that feature is only available in VisualEditor. If you want your web browser to save your changes (or just to stop removing them), then you need to upgrade your mobile device, to something with a lot more memory. In the meantime, it might be a good idea to "Save Early, Save Often". <a href='?title=User%3AWhatamidoing_%28WMF%29'>Whatamidoing (WMF)</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AWhatamidoing_%28WMF%29'>talk</a>) 17:25, 18 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::::::: {{ping|Whatamidoing (WMF)}} Except I <strong><em>do</strong></em> get my text back if I use the desktop editor and then page get purged due to lack of memory. The reaso is that mobile browser also have something like cache memory that's stored within devices' storage instead of RAM. So, the no-js editor is actually helpful too, but I don't want to disable js for my entire browser just tp use this particular old edit tool. How can I get that no-js editor via setting? Or should I request the implementation of such feature that would allow user to manually switch between different editors?<a href='?title=User%3AC933103'>C933103</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AC933103'>talk</a>) 18:56, 18 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::::::::Have you tried switching to that editing environment in <a href='?title=Special%3APreferences'>Special:Preferences</a>, and seeing whether that carries over to the mobile editing environment? <a href='?title=mw%3AEditor'>mw:Editor</a> probably has the necessary details, but you need to turn off the 2017WTE in Beta Features, turn off the 2010 ("enhanced") toolbar, **and** turn off the 2006 toolbar. Each newer system secretly overrides all older ones. (What a confusing mess. We need to fix this, so you can just pick the one you want, all on the same page.)</p> <p>:::::::::If that doesn't work, then you might have to disable Javascript in your mobile web browser. (It should be sufficient to do that just for the en.m.wikipedia.org domain, if there's some sort of add-on.) Also, before you do that, please look at <a href='?title=phab%3AT192018'>phab:T192018</a>. It appears that you won't be able to edit the introduction of any article on the mobile site with Javascript disabled. <a href='?title=User%3AWhatamidoing_%28WMF%29'>Whatamidoing (WMF)</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AWhatamidoing_%28WMF%29'>talk</a>) 17:36, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::::::::: {{ping|Whatamidoing (WMF)}} I have tried turning off both the 2007/2010/2006 editors but they only affect the desktop editing environment and the mobile editing environment is still the 2013 one without changes. And I don't want to turn off javascript for the entire browser just for a single site and Chrome Android browser support turning off js for individual site nor support plugin (Strangely it support turning on js just for a few site while blocking all other sites from using js). And no, it seems like I can edit lead section using the js-less editor. <a href='?title=User%3AC933103'>C933103</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AC933103'>talk</a>) 02:41, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--s-tools-wmflabs-down-'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Is tools.wmflabs down?</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>{{Tracked|T204844}}</p> <p>Greetings, for several days now when attempting to run <em><nowiki>tools.wmflabs.org/enwp10/cgi-bin/update.fcgi</nowiki></em> and getting "504 Gateway Time-out" instead. Not sure who to contact so I thought to start here at VPT. Regards, <span class="plainlinks" style="background: rgba(0,0,0,.05);">— <a href='?title=User%3AJoeHebda'>JoeHebda</a> • (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AJoeHebda'>talk</a>)</span> 13:25, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:{{ping|JoeHebda}} is a platform for developers to host their programs. So no, not all the tools.wmflabs.org platform is down, only the enwp10 tool :)</p> <p>:{{ping|Hedonil|Kelson|Theopolisme}}, project maintainers of https://tools.wmflabs.org/enwp10 tool. --<a href='?title=User%3AFramawiki'>Framawiki (please notify)</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AFramawiki'>talk</a>) 16:42, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::I reported at Phabricator, open task T204844 is "504 Gateway Time-out on enwp10 tool". <span class="plainlinks" style="background: rgba(0,0,0,.05);">— <a href='?title=User%3AJoeHebda'>JoeHebda</a> • (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AJoeHebda'>talk</a>)</span> 16:45, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:Pings to maintainers: {{ping|Theopolisme}}, {{ping|Kelson}}, and {{ping|Hedonil}}. — <a href='?title=User%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> ^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a>} 17:12, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>--</p> <p>I have restarted the Web service manually and it is back. <a href='?title=User%3AKelson'>Kelson</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AKelson'>talk</a>) 10:06, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--trike-tag-odd-behaviour'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Strike tag odd behaviour</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>I've been cleaning out some mis-matched <nowiki><s></nowiki> tags in old <a href='?title=WP%3AFAC'>WP:FAC</a> nomination pages, and ran into an odd situation, which I've reproduced in <a href='?title=User%3AMike_Christie%2FSandbox12'>this sandbox</a>. The closing <nowiki></s></nowiki> tag does not work there. Is there a non-printing character stuck in there somewhere that is screwing up the parsing? The original page which has the problem is <a href='?title=Wikipedia%3AFeatured_article_candidates%2FBanded_sugar_ant%2Farchive1'>here</a>, now fixed with [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Banded_sugar_ant/archive1&diff=860391268&oldid=683549863 this edit], though I don't know why that worked. <a href='?title=User%3AMike_Christie'>Mike Christie</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AMike_Christie'>talk</a> - <a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FMike_Christie'>contribs</a> - <a href='?title=User%3AMike_Christie%2FReference_library'>library</a>) 10:52, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:This is expected behavior according to the lengthy discussion on T199057. I'd just skip to Matma's comment at <a href='?title=%3Aphab%3AT199057%234524359'>:phab:T199057#4524359</a>. --<a href='?title=User%3AIzno'>Izno</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AIzno'>talk</a>) 12:26, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::That's a surprise, but I see why they declined it. <a href='?title=User%3AMike_Christie'>Mike Christie</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AMike_Christie'>talk</a> - <a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FMike_Christie'>contribs</a> - <a href='?title=User%3AMike_Christie%2FReference_library'>library</a>) 13:46, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::I see a glaring problem at <a href='?title=Wikipedia%3AFeatured_article_candidates%2FBanded_sugar_ant%2Farchive1'>Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Banded sugar ant/archive1</a>: there are some bad violations of <a href='?title=WP%3AINDENTGAP'>WP:INDENTGAP</a> which might aggravate that problem described at phab:. But regardless of that, there are a number of cases where {{tag|s}} is used to enclose a list, which is not valid - lists are [//www.w3.org/TR/html5/dom.html#flow-content-2 flow content], and {{tag|s}} may only enclose [//www.w3.org/TR/html5/dom.html#phrasing-content-2 phrasing content]. Markup like this is valid: <syntaxhighlight lang=moin>::::<s>Comment</s></p> <p>::::<s>Comment</s></p> <p>::::<s>Comment</s></syntaxhighlight> but markup like this <syntaxhighlight lang=moin><s></p> <p>::::Comment</p> <p>::::Comment</p> <p>::::Comment</p> <p></s></syntaxhighlight> is invalid for the reason that I just described. Even worse is <syntaxhighlight lang=moin><s></p> <p>::::Comment</p> <p>::::Comment</p> <p>::::Comment</s></syntaxhighlight> since the absence of a newline before the {{tag|s|c}} tag means that it is inside a list item, whereas the matching opening tag is not just outside the item, it is outside the whole list which is a nesting error. --<a href='?title=User%3ARedrose64'><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARedrose64'>talk</a>) 20:58, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--roblems-with-emplate-idden-begin-emplate-idden-end-and-sortable-headers-in-collapsible-tables-'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Problems with [[Template:Hidden begin]]/[[Template:Hidden end]] and sortable headers in collapsible tables.</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>EDIT: The problem appears to have resolved itself, at least on my end, although <a href='?title=User%3AWoodlot'>User:Woodlot</a> was able to confirm it for me earlier. I'm going to strike this comment. Here's the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&oldid=860467267#Problems_with_Template:Hidden_begin/Template:Hidden_end_and_sortable_headers_in_collapsible_tables. unstruck] version for readability. <s>Hi, I'm going to paste here what I wrote on <a href='?title=User_talk%3AWoodlot%23Hiding_complex_tables_%28technical_issue%29'>User:Woodlot's talk page</a> about a technical problem I found with the use of <a href='?title=Template%3AHidden_begin'>Template:Hidden begin</a> and <a href='?title=Template%3AHidden_end'>Template:Hidden end</a>:</p> <p><blockquote></p> <p>On <strong>Webkit/Blink browsers</strong> (tested in Safari and Chrome and Mac OS X, and Chrome on Windows), if <a href='?title=Template%3AHidden_begin'>Template:Hidden begin</a> and <a href='?title=Template%3AHidden_end'>Template:Hidden end</a> are on the page, all of the sortable column headers in <strong>other</strong> collapsible tables on the page disappear. For a comparison, see the Santa Barbara County voter registration tables [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Santa_Barbara_County,_California&oldid=855937546#Cities_by_population_and_voter_registration before] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Santa_Barbara_County,_California&oldid=857751770#Cities_by_population_and_voter_registration after] the <nowiki>{{Hidden...}}</nowiki> templates were added. The same thing happens on Contra Costa County [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Contra_Costa_County,_California&oldid=857390904#Cities_by_population_and_voter_registration][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Contra_Costa_County,_California&oldid=857391145#Cities_by_population_and_voter_registration], Sacramento County [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sacramento_County,_California&oldid=857594205#Cities_by_population_and_voter_registration][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sacramento_County,_California&oldid=857595058#Cities_by_population_and_voter_registration], etc.</p> <p>The tables render normally in Firefox on OSX and Edge on Windows (the only other browsers I tested). I’ve checked the diffs and nothing changes in the tables themselves. It’s also worth noting that this is not restricted to tables in the same section, and it affects tables both above and below the <nowiki>{{Hidden...}}</nowiki> templates. See the "Crime" sections of the linked comparisons for the same effect.</p> <p></blockquote></p> <p>Some additional information: When I checked my comparison links in Chrome (I primarily use Safari), I opened the “before” links first, and the “after” pages then appeared to render properly. I believe this is due to some rather aggressive caching on Chrome's part. To see what the revision actually looks like be sure to bypass the cache.</p> <p>I'm sorry I don't have more information on this. <a href='?title=User%3AWoodlot'>User:Woodlot</a> suggested I post it here – as you can no doubt see by my lack of an account, I don't spend much time behind the scenes on Wikipedia. I prefer to just make small copyedits and formatting fixes. Still, hopefully this information can be of some use.</s> <a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2F50.1.108.138'>50.1.108.138</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3A50.1.108.138'>talk</a>) 21:08, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:Collapsibility should be removed in main space per <a href='?title=MOS%3ACOLLAPSE'>MOS:COLLAPSE</a>. --<a href='?title=User%3AIzno'>Izno</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AIzno'>talk</a>) 21:22, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::I'm aware of that (in fact I mentioned it in my linked comment on Woodlot's talk page). I wasn't the one making the edits. However, it seems that all of the editors on those county pages and similar articles are either unaware of that part of the MOS or are certain that the collapsible content is excepted. Regardless, the technical problem remains. It's too big for me to fix myself – I've no idea how many articles have the problem, and I'm not comfortable using scripts to make bulk edits.</p> <p>::Anyway, it may be a moot point since I've just checked the live examples again and they seem to be working. The behavior has been too inconsistent for me to really find a reduced test case. <a href='?title=User%3AWoodlot'>User:Woodlot</a> was able to confirm the same behavior when they replied to me before, but now I can't replicate it. I'm going to strike my above comment for now. <a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2F50.1.108.138'>50.1.108.138</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3A50.1.108.138'>talk</a>) 22:03, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--roken-template'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Broken template</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>Something is causing the template to be broken. See <a href='?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FJean-Philippe_Susilovic'>Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jean-Philippe Susilovic</a>, where the <nowiki>{{u|7&6=thirteen}}</nowiki> is displayed as <a href='?title=User%3A%7B%7B%7B1%7D%7D%7D'>{{{1}}}</a>. PS please ping me if this is replied. I'm not watching this page. I have also posted at <a href='?title=Template_talk%3AUser_link%23Broken_template'>Template_talk:User_link#Broken_template</a> but redirected replies here. --<a href='?title=User%3ATyw7'><i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i></a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATyw7'>🗣️ Talk</a>) — If (reply) then (<a href='?title=Wikipedia%3ANotifications%23Alerts'>ping me</a>) 20:24, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:Fixed. <a href='?title=User%3ARuslik0'>Ruslik</a>_<a href='?title=User_Talk%3ARuslik0'><span style="color:red">Zero</span></a> 20:27, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::{{u|Ruslik0}}, erm still not working https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FJean-Philippe_Susilovic&type=revision&diff=860316837&oldid=860316800 --<a href='?title=User%3ATyw7'><i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i></a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATyw7'>🗣️ Talk</a>) — If (reply) then (<a href='?title=Wikipedia%3ANotifications%23Alerts'>ping me</a>) 20:45, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::{{replyto|Ruslik0}} I don't think that {{diff|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jean-Philippe Susilovic|prev|860314848|your fix}} is the best way of doing it, although it does work in certain circumstances. A better way would be to explicitly number the parameter, as in <code><nowiki>{{u|1=7&6=thirteen}}</nowiki></code>. --<a href='?title=User%3ARedrose64'><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARedrose64'>talk</a>) 20:48, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>Pinging {{u|Enterprisey}} as his widget uses this template. --<a href='?title=User%3ATyw7'><i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i></a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATyw7'>🗣️ Talk</a>) — If (reply) then (<a href='?title=Wikipedia%3ANotifications%23Alerts'>ping me</a>) 20:46, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:{{replyto|Tyw7}} The explanation of the original problem is that since {{user|1=7&6=thirteen}}'s login name contains an equals sign, whenever it is used in what is <em>intended</em> to be a positional parameter of a template, it is instead treated as a named parameter - the name being <code><nowiki>7&6</nowiki></code> and the value being <code><nowiki>thirteen</nowiki></code>. --<a href='?title=User%3ARedrose64'><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARedrose64'>talk</a>) 20:48, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::You can always contact me by using <nowiki> <a href='?title=User%3A7%266-thirteen'>User:7&6-thirteen</a>.</nowiki> <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><a href='?title=User%3A7%26amp%3B6%3Dthirteen'><b style="color:#060">7&6=thirteen</b></a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3A7%26amp%3B6%3Dthirteen'><b style="color:#000">☎</b></a>)</span> 20:51, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::{{u|1=7&6=thirteen}}, thanks. Yeah I was trying to ping you. Plus Enterprisey's reply gadget uses that template. --<a href='?title=User%3ATyw7'><i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i></a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATyw7'>🗣️ Talk</a>) — If (reply) then (<a href='?title=Wikipedia%3ANotifications%23Alerts'>ping me</a>) 20:54, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::{{replyto|1=7&6=thirteen}} no we can't. <a href='?title=User%3D7%266-thirteen'>User=7&6-thirteen</a> is a redlink to a non-existent article. --<a href='?title=User%3ARedrose64'><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARedrose64'>talk</a>) 21:13, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::{{u|Redrose64}}, is there a possible fix to the bug for users with "=" in their name? Also maybe <a href='?title=user%3AEnterprisey'>user:Enterprisey</a> can fix his reply gadget to use the 1= template to make it more resilient. --<a href='?title=User%3ATyw7'><i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i></a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATyw7'>🗣️ Talk</a>) — If (reply) then (<a href='?title=Wikipedia%3ANotifications%23Alerts'>ping me</a>) 20:52, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::One can make reply-link do that by setting replyLinkPreloadPingTpl to <nowiki>"{{u|1 = ##}}, "</nowiki>. Not sure if i'd want "1=" everywhere for the very rare cases of breakage.. <a href='?title=User%3AGalobtter'>Galobtter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AGalobtter'>pingó mió</a>) 20:56, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::{{replyto|Tyw7}} There is no possible fix, other than the {{para|1}} method that I already described, because there is no bug. It is a design feature of the MediaWiki template parser that in <em>every</em> template, <em>every</em> parameter that contains an equals sign is interpreted as a named parameter. See <a href='?title=H%3AT%23Parameters'>H:T#Parameters</a>. --<a href='?title=User%3ARedrose64'><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARedrose64'>talk</a>) 21:18, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::::{{u|Redrose64}}, ah right. I guess the only fix is probably a rename but I doubt 7&6 would want to do that. --<a href='?title=User%3ATyw7'><i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i></a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATyw7'>🗣️ Talk</a>) — If (reply) then (<a href='?title=Wikipedia%3ANotifications%23Alerts'>ping me</a>) 22:19, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::::There is a possible workaround in the template; if implemented in Lua the template could automatically interpret unrecognized parameters as usernames containing equals; something like <code>for k, v in pairs(args) do if (string.match(k, '%D')) and (not paramWhitelist[k]) do addEqualsUsername(k, v) end end</code> would let usernames containing equals be "escaped" automatically. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">{{<a href='?title=User%3ANihiltres'><span style="color:#233D7A;">Nihiltres</span></a> |<a href='?title=User_talk%3ANihiltres'>talk</a> |<a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FNihiltres'>edits</a>}}</span> 13:57, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::::{{ping|Nihiltres}} Other than checking to see if the user page exists (which only works if the user has a user page, which is not a given), how would the lua script interpret <code><nowiki>{{u|1=one}}</nowiki></code>? Is it <nowiki>User:1=one</nowiki> or <nowiki>User:one</nowiki>? --<a href='?title=User%3AAhecht'>Ahecht</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AAhecht'><span style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br />PAGE</span></a>) 16:24, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::::::{{re|Ahecht}} It would handle your example as "<nowiki>User:one</nowiki>"; the logic <code>(string.match(k, '%D'))</code> I mentioned checks for any non-numerical characters ("<code>%D</code>") before the equals sign; normally those are "lost" as unrecognized parameters, but the example code would recapture those cases. A user "<nowiki>User:1=one</nowiki>" would still be a problem; there's no safe way of checking one that would match a purely-numeric named parameter. I'd recommend such users either a) be renamed or b) included as narrow special cases, where (b) only applies if they register the conflicting account <em>themselves</em> to ensure it isn't used. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">{{<a href='?title=User%3ANihiltres'><span style="color:#233D7A;">Nihiltres</span></a> |<a href='?title=User_talk%3ANihiltres'>talk</a> |<a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FNihiltres'>edits</a>}}</span> 17:18, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>Found another issue. The user's name broke the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AEnterprisey%2Freply-link&type=revision&diff=860319332&oldid=860319030 <a href='?title='></a>] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Enterprisey/reply-link&diff=next&oldid=860319634 []]. --<a href='?title=User%3ATyw7'><i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i></a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATyw7'>🗣️ Talk</a>) — If (reply) then (<a href='?title=Wikipedia%3ANotifications%23Alerts'>ping me</a>) 21:08, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:{{replyto|Tyw7}} No, those broke because you used unencoded braces. Totally different issue. --<a href='?title=User%3ARedrose64'><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARedrose64'>talk</a>) 21:20, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::{{u|Redrose64}}, how to properly link then? With other usernames posting diffs usually work. --<a href='?title=User%3ATyw7'><i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i></a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATyw7'>🗣️ Talk</a>) — If (reply) then (<a href='?title=Wikipedia%3ANotifications%23Alerts'>ping me</a>) 21:46, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::It is <em>nothing</em> to do with the user name, it is the <em>unencoded braces</em>. This is one of the reasons that we request people not to use templates in section headings. To link to that section, either of the following work in Opera: <a href='?title=User_talk%3A7%266%3Dthirteen%23Username_breaks_the_.7B.7Bu.7D.7D_template'>User talk:7&6=thirteen#Username breaks the .7B.7Bu.7D.7D template</a>; <a href='?title=User_talk%3A7%266%3Dthirteen%23Username_breaks_the_%257B%257Bu%257D%257D_template'>User talk:7&6=thirteen#Username breaks the %7B%7Bu%7D%7D template</a>, although the second one might not work in all browsers. --<a href='?title=User%3ARedrose64'><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARedrose64'>talk</a>) 22:03, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::{{u|Redrose64}}, the first one worked. <a href='?title=User_talk%3AEnterprisey%2Freply-link%23Gadget_fails_to_reply_to_users_with_%22%3D%22_in_their_name'>User_talk:Enterprisey/reply-link#Gadget_fails_to_reply_to_users_with_"="_in_their_name</a> --<a href='?title=User%3ATyw7'><i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i></a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATyw7'>🗣️ Talk</a>) — If (reply) then (<a href='?title=Wikipedia%3ANotifications%23Alerts'>ping me</a>) 22:18, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>Please post comments about Enterprisey's gadget <a href='?title=User_talk%3AEnterprisey%2Freply-link'>here</a> --<a href='?title=User%3ATyw7'><i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i></a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATyw7'>🗣️ Talk</a>) — If (reply) then (<a href='?title=Wikipedia%3ANotifications%23Alerts'>ping me</a>) 21:05, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:Sorry for my error. <nowiki> <a href='?title=User%3A7%266-thirteen'>User:7&6-thirteen</a>.</nowiki> <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><a href='?title=User%3A7%26amp%3B6%3Dthirteen'><b style="color:#060">7&6=thirteen</b></a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3A7%26amp%3B6%3Dthirteen'><b style="color:#000">☎</b></a>)</span> 21:16, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::<a href='?title=User%3A7%266-thirteen'>User:7&6-thirteen</a> no such user. Please stick to the method that I described, which is proven to work. --<a href='?title=User%3ARedrose64'><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARedrose64'>talk</a>) 21:21, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::<nowiki><a href='?title=User%3A7%266%3Dthirteen'>User:7&6=thirteen</a></nowiki> works. -- <a href='?title=User%3AGreenC'><span style="color: #006A4E;"><strong>Green</strong></span></a><a href='?title=User_talk%3AGreenC'><span style="color: #093;"><strong>C</strong></span></a> 21:30, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::<a href='?title=Duh'>Duh</a>!. I just use four tildes. Sorry for the repeated errors. Thanks. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><a href='?title=User%3A7%26amp%3B6%3Dthirteen'><b style="color:#060">7&6=thirteen</b></a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3A7%26amp%3B6%3Dthirteen'><b style="color:#000">☎</b></a>)</span> 21:33, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::I was trying to link to his page.... how to do that? The talk page link to the specific thread breaks so as direct linking using the long URL> --<a href='?title=User%3ATyw7'><i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i></a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATyw7'>🗣️ Talk</a>) — If (reply) then (<a href='?title=Wikipedia%3ANotifications%23Alerts'>ping me</a>) 21:45, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::You link to the page in the way that I described already - make sure that you use {{para|1}} in order that the next equals sign is taken literally, and not as the separator of a <code>name=value</code> pair. If it helps, you can do this for all users, like this: <code><nowiki>{{u|1=Tyw7}}</nowiki></code> → {{u|1=Tyw7}}. --<a href='?title=User%3ARedrose64'><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARedrose64'>talk</a>) 22:12, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:I once proposed to disallow equals signs in new Wikimedia accounts: <a href='?title=meta%3ATalk%3ATitle_blacklist%2FArchives%2F2015%23Equals_sign'>meta:Talk:Title blacklist/Archives/2015#Equals sign</a>. <a href='?title=User%3APrimeHunter'>PrimeHunter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APrimeHunter'>talk</a>) 23:47, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::^ this seems like it would be the real solution. <a href='?title=User%3AKilliondude'>Killiondude</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AKilliondude'>talk</a>) 01:00, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::{{u|PrimeHunter}}, I support this proposal. Can you re-submit? --<a href='?title=User%3ATyw7'><i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i></a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATyw7'>🗣️ Talk</a>) — If (reply) then (<a href='?title=Wikipedia%3ANotifications%23Alerts'>ping me</a>) 01:25, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::An archive search shows it was also proposed at <a href='?title=%3Ameta%3ATalk%3ATitle_blacklist%2FArchives%2F2018%23%3D'>:meta:Talk:Title blacklist/Archives/2018#=</a> where it was rejected by <a href='?title=User%3ABillinghurst'>Billinghurst</a>. <a href='?title=User%3APrimeHunter'>PrimeHunter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APrimeHunter'>talk</a>) 09:41, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::1) We already have usernames with equal signs. 2) Users can be renamed. 3) If it that problematic, get it fixed properly by opening a phabricator ticket, not a jerry-built job in the title blacklist. — <a href='?title=user%3Abillinghurst'>billinghurst</a> <em><span style="font-size:smaller"><a href='?title=user_talk%3Abillinghurst'>sDrewth</a></span></em> 11:22, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::::1) Blacklisting new "=" would reduce future problems without annoying existing users. 2) It's easier to blacklist "=" than to rename users who chose a name in good faith. 3) Many Wikimedia wikis have templates with usernames as unnamed parameters. Many other wikis may have no issue with "=" in usernames. It could be a MediaWiki configuration option but then it would be similar to just blacklisting it. Requested MediaWiki features are often declined or take years. <a href='?title=User%3APrimeHunter'>PrimeHunter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APrimeHunter'>talk</a>) 13:00, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::::::1) Yes, though doesn't resolve our problem of use, just limits the cases into the future. 2) Sure, see 1) though it removes the problem into the future. 3) The issues of positional parameter and an equals sign is not limited to usernames alone, there are many times that it has an impact. It is not a new phenomenon, nor needs new solutions. We can and should educate our users, and write good templates, write good documentation, and utilise lua as required, not necessarily rely on lazy templating.<p>What if other wikis want their users to have an equals sign? What if users want to have an equals sign. We just forbid it so it makes it easier for user positional parameters at the gorilla wiki as it doesn't like it where it is a very occasional problem?</p><p>If it is truly problematic, start a phabricator ticket and see what ensues in the conversation, as ideally technical issues should have technical solutions, whereas social issues belong in blacklists. If it is seen as a crosswiki issue that needs resolution, then start your conversation at meta and invite the other communities to have an opinion, and if there is a consensus it will be undertaken. However, please just don't sit here and opine that it makes our use of a small set of templates here at enwiki harder for you when there is a pretty simple solution of <code>1=</code> or <code>user=</code> and some updates to documentation. — <a href='?title=user%3Abillinghurst'>billinghurst</a> <em><span style="font-size:smaller"><a href='?title=user_talk%3Abillinghurst'>sDrewth</a></span></em> 23:20, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p></p> <p>:::::{{ping|billinghurst}} I'm not familiar with title blacklist additions. Is there a process on meta for gaining consensus for additions, or are proposals simply up to meta-admin/steward discretion? --<a href='?title=User%3AAhecht'>Ahecht</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AAhecht'><span style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br />PAGE</span></a>) 16:34, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::::{{ping|Ahecht}} Sure, meta is a consensus wiki like all WMF, and this discussion it would take place at <a href='?title=m%3Atalk%3ATitle_blacklist'>m:talk:Title blacklist</a>. Depending on the complexity and the impact of decisions that have a crosswiki impact, meta administrators may do it easily and quickly, or we may ask for a broader consensus, or we may ask for post to many/numbers of wikis to ensure that someone is open for many language, many sister wikis decision-making. The two previous occasions have had little input from users, and on both occasions the feedback was that it is probably a mediawiki-level determiner (so phabricator) if it is that problematic. If it came to my making a decision, I doubt that I would do that without broader xwiki input identifying the risks, the solutions, and that many wikis thought that it was appropriate. — <a href='?title=user%3Abillinghurst'>billinghurst</a> <em><span style="font-size:smaller"><a href='?title=user_talk%3Abillinghurst'>sDrewth</a></span></em> 22:55, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--iki-roject-request-for-technical-assistance'><h2 class='section-toggle'>WikiProject request for technical assistance</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>I have a request on behalf of <a href='?title=WP%3AWPNEWS'>WikiProject Newspapers</a> for somebody with programming abilities. I think it's not terribly difficult, and it's something that could be useful not just to us, but to any number of cross-article collaboration projects or "sprints."</p> <p>Our project aims to add 1,000 stubs about U.S. newspapers by mid-December of this year, as well as adding infoboxen to existing stubs. What we need is a straightforward way to measure our progress.</p> <p>I imagine it working like this:</p> <ol> <li>Start with the results of a [https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20%3Fpaper%20%3Fpage_titleEN%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%3Fpaper%20wdt%3AP31%2Fwdt%3AP279%2a%20wd%3AQ11032%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20wdt%3AP17%20wd%3AQ30.%0A%20%20%3Farticle%20schema%3Aabout%20%3Fpaper.%0A%20%20%3Farticle%20schema%3AisPartOf%20%3Chttps%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2F%3E.%0A%20%20%3Farticle%20schema%3Aname%20%3Fpage_titleEN.%0A%7D SPARQL query like this] (thank you {{u|Certes}})</li> <li>For each item returned, test for the following (and perhaps a few other things as well; this would be the bare minimum)</li> <li>Did it exist on June 1, 2018?</li> <li>Is it a redirect now?</li> <li>Was it a redirect on June 1?</li> <li>Does it have an infobox now?</li> <li>Did it have an infobox as of June 1?</li> <li>The output, I think, would ideally be a spreadsheet or a wikitable containing all that info.</li> </ol> <p>Is there anybody who might be willing to help us create such a script? (Note, I <a href='?title=wikidata%3AWikidata%3AProject_chat%2FArchive%2F2018%2F08%23Request_for_technical_assistance'>inquired about this previously on Wikidata</a>, but I have a clearer idea about what is needed now.)</p> <p>Suggestions for better venues to seek help are most welcome as well. -<a href='?title=User%3APeteforsyth'>Pete Forsyth</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APeteforsyth'>talk</a>) 23:32, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>: <em>Just to keep track, here are some other characteristics it would be nice to track before-and-after. None of these is necessary, but all would be nice to have:</em></p> <p>: number of footnotes; what maintenance banners, if any, at the top of the article; how many categories; does its talk page have the WikiProject Newspapers template; what quality rating(s) does it have; how many character in the article; how many sections on the talk page. -<a href='?title=User%3APeteforsyth'>Pete Forsyth</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APeteforsyth'>talk</a>) 00:17, 21 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--oes-mw-config-need-to-be-loaded-'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Does mw.config need to be loaded?</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>When writing a user script that uses values in mw.config, do I need to explicitly load mw.config using ResourceLoader? <a href='?title=User%3AEnterprisey'>Enterprisey</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AEnterprisey'>talk!</a>) 02:21, 21 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:No, {{tt|mw.config}} is part of the base {{tt|mediawiki}} module [https://doc.wikimedia.org/mediawiki-core/master/js/#!/api/mw], which does not need to be loaded per <a href='?title=mw%3AResourceLoader%2FCore_modules'>mw:ResourceLoader/Core modules</a>. - <u><strong><a href='?title=User%3AEvad37'>Evad</a><em>37</strong></em></u> <span style="font-size:95%;">[<a href='?title=d%3Aw%3AUser_talk%3AEvad37'>talk</a>]</span> 05:26, 21 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::Thanks! <a href='?title=User%3AEnterprisey'>Enterprisey</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AEnterprisey'>talk!</a>) 05:51, 21 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--mail-pings'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Email pings</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>I do not have email checked as notification of pings, not on Englilsh Wikipedia, nowhere. I just got 3 emails that I've been pinged on Wikipedia. One of them in non-English language (I'm guessing French, but I don't know for sure). As I have received no ping notices on my Wikipedia page itself, I'm deleting the emails without opening them. <a href='?title=User%3AMaile66'>— Maile </a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AMaile66'>talk</a>) 19:40, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:Hi {{re|Maile66}}, without looking at the emails, we're not really going to be able to tell if they came from us or not. You may want to check <a href='?title=Special%3AGlobalPreferences%23mw-prefsection-echo'>Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-echo</a> to see if you have any email notifications on by default, where someone could email you from any of the other projects. — <a href='?title=User%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> ^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a>} 19:49, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::Thanks. Checked Global Preferences. No email checked for notifications. <a href='?title=User%3AMaile66'>— Maile </a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AMaile66'>talk</a>) 20:02, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::The reason is that you just received a silly attack at <a href='?title=%3Afr%3AUser_talk%3AMaile66'>:fr:User talk:Maile66</a> from an <a href='?title=WP%3ALTA'>WP:LTA</a>. I blanked the nonsense so I am afraid you will get another email. You can fix the emails at <a href='?title=%3Afr%3ASpecial%3APreferences'>:fr:Special:Preferences</a>. The LTA has been dropping crap like that for a decade and has resumed activity recently. <a href='?title=User%3AJohnuniq'>Johnuniq</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AJohnuniq'>talk</a>) 23:08, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::Well, I figured out what is triggering it. Every one has happened within seconds of my blocking a user at WP:AIV. The last one came just seconds after my original block of 209.239.97.188. Well, it did make me change my password. Which is probably a good idea once in a while, anyhow. Thanks. <a href='?title=User%3AMaile66'>— Maile </a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AMaile66'>talk</a>) 23:37, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::::Also, I don't read French. So, I'm guessing that by unchecking the same two boxes that are unchecked in English WP has done the trick. <a href='?title=User%3AMaile66'>— Maile </a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AMaile66'>talk</a>) 23:40, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::::When I have set my preferences at another language site, the first step is to set the language to English and save that. That makes everything in preferences a lot clearer. It looks as though you can do that at the global preferences linked above and then it will apply by default to all sites. <a href='?title=User%3AJohnuniq'>Johnuniq</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AJohnuniq'>talk</a>) 03:41, 21 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::::For related cases, see <a href='?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents%23Threats_of_harm'>ANI</a>. <a href='?title=User%3AJohnuniq'>Johnuniq</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AJohnuniq'>talk</a>) 03:45, 21 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::::::Thanks for the global preferences info. It worked. Re the ANI link ... yep, I blocked two lightening round-robin doppelganger socks of the yahweh vandal. <a href='?title=User%3AMaile66'>— Maile </a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AMaile66'>talk</a>) 11:05, 21 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--elp-with-problem-loading-linkclassifier'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Help with problem loading linkclassifier</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>I've been using <a href='?title=User%3AAnomie%2Flinkclassifier'>User:Anomie/linkclassifier</a> for a long time. Ihave it as link in my toolbiox in vector skin. Some time ago I noticed it occasionally wouldn't display, and I figured there was some timing issue on what was getting loaded in page. Refreshing usually fixed it. Lately it has gotten to where it would not load at all. Then looking at the instructions I [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bkonrad/vector.js&diff=860531988&oldid=738509639 updated my jss] to use a suggested new script to load</p> <p>:<code><nowiki>$.when( mw.loader.using( 'mediawiki.util' ), $.ready ).then( function() { var el = mw.util.addPortletLink('p-tb', '', 'Link Classifier'); $(el).click(function() { LinkClassifier.onDemand(); } ); } ); </nowiki></code></p> <p>instead of what I had before</p> <p>:{{code|mw.util.addPortletLink('p-tb', 'javascript:LinkClassifier.onDemand()', 'Link classifier');}}</p> <p>But now, every time I click on it, it reloads the page and the highlighting only briefly flashes before the page reloads. <a href='?title=User%3ABkonrad'>older</a> ≠ <a href='?title=User_talk%3ABkonrad'>wiser</a> 09:44, 21 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:{{u|Bkonrad}}, those instructions were incorrect. I've amended them now. I think i'm even to blame for the incorrect instructions. So sorry. —<a href='?title=User%3ATheDJ'>Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATheDJ'>talk</a> • <a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FTheDJ'>contribs</a>) 11:01, 21 September 2018 (UTC)� —<a href='?title=User%3ATheDJ'>Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATheDJ'>talk</a> • <a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FTheDJ'>contribs</a>) 11:01, 21 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::Thanks <a href='?title=User%3ATheDJ'>User:TheDJ</a>, everything looks to be good now. <a href='?title=User%3ABkonrad'>older</a> ≠ <a href='?title=User_talk%3ABkonrad'>wiser</a> 11:07, 21 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--racking-down-a-heavy-memory-leak'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Tracking down a heavy memory leak</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>{{tracked|T205127}}</p> <p>A few weeks ago, I volunteered for new page review and I tweaked some configs accordingly. Since then, every Wikipedia open tab leaks large amounts of memory, so that I have to kill the relevant processes in Chrome every few hours. I am trying to track down what the pages are doing, but had no luck so far. The Wikipedia pages typically accumulate memory allocation while in the background, sometimes up to gigabytes, while consuming a tiny fraction of CPU. Then when I switch to display such a page, memory usage goes back to a reasonable value. I am positive that this phenomenon only applies to the Wikipedia site. I have tried removing all my user scripts, to no effect. I also tried to disable many gadgets in Preferences, but had no luck isolating the issue. Is it possible to check the history of my preferences, especially in the gadgets section? Then I could restore them to a known working state prior to the memory leaks appearing. My next attempt would be to request removal of the NPR user right, although I don't understand how that would affect memory usage. Any help appreciated. — <a href='?title=User%3AJFG'>JFG</a> ^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AJFG'>talk</a>} 08:54, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:<a href='?title=User%3AJFG'>User:JFG</a>, I'm sorry to hear that you are having problems with this. I wonder whether the "safemode" trick would help you figure this out. See <a href='?title=mw%3AHelp%3ALocating_broken_scripts%23Test_if_you_have_problems_related_to_user_scripts_or_gadgets'>mw:Help:Locating broken scripts#Test if you have problems related to user scripts or gadgets</a>.</p> <p>:Did you turn off NAVPOPS? I've seen something similar in Safari on another wiki (one whose tabs I tend to open because I'll get back to it "soon", and days later I still haven't read them...), and I think that NAVPOPS might be one of the few commonalities. <a href='?title=User%3AWhatamidoing_%28WMF%29'>Whatamidoing (WMF)</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AWhatamidoing_%28WMF%29'>talk</a>) 16:42, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::Thanks for the tips. Loading a page with {{para|safemode|1}} still leaks memory. NAVPOPS is disabled. Any other ideas? — <a href='?title=User%3AJFG'>JFG</a> ^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AJFG'>talk</a>} 23:18, 20 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::{{u|JFG}}, any browser extensions enabled ? —<a href='?title=User%3ATheDJ'>Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATheDJ'>talk</a> • <a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FTheDJ'>contribs</a>) 07:49, 21 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::Yes, I've got a few. Did not change any of them prior to this issue, though. I could try disabling them. Also, I made a snapshot of memory use in debug mode, would that help if I upload it somewhere? — <a href='?title=User%3AJFG'>JFG</a> ^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AJFG'>talk</a>} 08:24, 21 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::All extensions disabled this morning; still leaking like a sieve on idle pages. An article page that has been loaded, minimized, left untouched, and shares its process with no other page, grows to over a gigabyte of memory usage over a couple hours. I'm really puzzled. — <a href='?title=User%3AJFG'>JFG</a> ^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AJFG'>talk</a>} 10:34, 21 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::::I've filed <a href='?title=phab%3AT205127'>phab:T205127</a> and liberally tagged some devs who might be interested. Please feel free to drag-and-drop <a href='?title=User%3AJFG'>your</a> picture into a comment on the Phab task. <a href='?title=User%3AWhatamidoing_%28WMF%29'>Whatamidoing (WMF)</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AWhatamidoing_%28WMF%29'>talk</a>) 18:00, 21 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::::Great. Let's continue there. — <a href='?title=User%3AJFG'>JFG</a> ^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AJFG'>talk</a>} 21:12, 21 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--roposal-for-bot-synced-geonotices'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Proposal for bot-synced geonotices</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p><a href='?title=WT%3AINTADMIN%23Proposal%3A_Bot-synced_geonotices'>A proposal to sync geonotices with a bot</a>, which will allow all admins to edit geonotices again, is being discussed. <a href='?title=User%3AEnterprisey'>Enterprisey</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AEnterprisey'>talk!</a>) 19:04, 22 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--ustified-text-in-edit-boxes'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Justified text in edit boxes</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>The justified text option, as a gadget in user preferences, seems to enable text justification in edit boxes with source editing. While text justification is obviously useful in reading, it's frankly a pain when trying to edit pages, as the syntax and the like often leave large, unwelcome gaps between "words". If it's possible, please fix this so that justified text doesn't work in this case. Thanks. <span style="font-family:'Trajan Pro','Perpetua Titling MT',Perpetua,serif"><strong><a href='?title=User%3ARavenpuff'><span style="color:#22254a">RAVEN</span><span style="color:#996e00">PVFF</span></a></strong></span> | <em><a href='?title=User_talk%3ARavenpuff'>talk</a></em> ~ 10:38, 22 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:{{ping|Ravenpuff}} It doesn't justify source editing for me in Firefox, Vector. What is your browser? Your skin at <a href='?title=Special%3APreferences%23mw-prefsection-rendering'>Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering</a>? Your Edit area font style at <a href='?title=Special%3APreferences%23mw-prefsection-editing'>Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing</a>? Does it stop justifying when you disable the gadget? Please link an example page where source editing is justified on the Edit tab. The gadget uses <a href='?title=MediaWiki%3AGadget-JustifyParagraphs.css'>MediaWiki:Gadget-JustifyParagraphs.css</a>. What happens if you log out and click [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Example_(musician)&action=edit&editintro=Template:BLP_editintro&withCSS=MediaWiki:Gadget-JustifyParagraphs.css]? I get justified text in the "Notice about sources" box but not in the edit area. <a href='?title=User%3APrimeHunter'>PrimeHunter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APrimeHunter'>talk</a>) 21:36, 22 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::{{ping|PrimeHunter}} I believe that I've discovered the culprit: the syntax highlighting tool, in the edit bar above the source editing box. Toggling it alters the edit text from justified and highlighted to left-aligned and plain. I use Google Chrome (version 69.0.3497.100), with the default Vector skin and monospaced edit font. Disabling the gadget prevents justification everywhere. Following your link, I get the same result as you did – justified text in the notice boxes and other text but left-aligned text in the editing box – but only because the syntax highlight is deactivated by default. Turning it on produces the same problem. It's a pity, really, as the syntax highlighting tool is quite useful to me; I've resorted to turning off text justification for now. <span style="font-family:'Trajan Pro','Perpetua Titling MT',Perpetua,serif"><strong><a href='?title=User%3ARavenpuff'><span style="color:#22254a">RAVEN</span><span style="color:#996e00">PVFF</span></a></strong></span> | <em><a href='?title=User_talk%3ARavenpuff'>talk</a></em> ~ 01:09, 23 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--lag-codes'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Flag codes</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>So I'm doing some work with a new template {{tl|Medals table}} and have been running into some issues with the flag icon templates. I have virtually made <a href='?title=List_of_IOC_country_codes'>List of IOC country codes</a> my homepage, but I'm curious if someone can direct me to <strong>THE</strong> page that is the be-all end-all for the 3 letter codes. I assume that there is a template somewhere with a massive switch/case statement or a module that has them all listed out or something. Can anyone point me to such a page? Many thanks!! --<a href='?title=User%3AZackmann08'><span style="color:DarkTurquoise;">Zackmann08</span></a> (^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AZackmann08'>Talk to me</a>}/_{<a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FZackmann08'><span style="color:orange;">What I been doing</span></a>}) 00:25, 23 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>: {{hp|Zackmann08}}{{tl|IOC code}}? — <a href='?title=User%3AJJMC89'>JJMC89</a> <small>(<a href='?title=User_talk%3AJJMC89'>T</a><strong>·</strong><a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FJJMC89'>C</a>)</small> 00:57, 23 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::{{ping|JJMC89}} that's a good one, but there are some templates that work with non IOC codes. For example {{tlx|flagCGF|ENG}} -> {{flagCGF|ENG}}. <strong>ENG</strong> is not an IOC code. thanks though! --<strong><a href='?title=User%3AZackmann08'><span style="color:#00ced1">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94">mann</span></a></strong> (^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AZackmann08'>Talk to me</a>}/_{<a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FZackmann08'><span style="color:orange;">What I been doing</span></a>}) 01:02, 23 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::<a href='?title=%3AModule%3ACountry_alias'>:Module:Country alias</a>? – <a href='?title=User%3AJonesey95'>Jonesey95</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AJonesey95'>talk</a>) 04:05, 23 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::{{ping|Jonesey95}} DING DING DING!!!! WINNER! That is exactly what I was looking for! Thank you! --<strong><a href='?title=User%3AZackmann08'><span style="color:#00ced1">Zack</span><span style="color:#007F94">mann</span></a></strong> (^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AZackmann08'>Talk to me</a>}/_{<a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FZackmann08'><span style="color:orange;">What I been doing</span></a>}) 04:23, 23 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--pdating-template-causes-lots-of-big-red-warnings'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Updating template causes lots of big red warnings</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>I recently updated the two refs at <a href='?title=%3ATemplate%3AOhio_class_ballistic_missile_submarine_displacement'>:Template:Ohio class ballistic missile submarine displacement</a>. One had moved so I updated the url, the other is dead and I marked it as such.</p> <p>The problem is that these are both named refs, and those names are re-used in other places. Those other places apparently had the same bad url as the template I fixed. But now the content is different, so I get the big red warnings.</p> <p>I don't know how to fix this, and I don't really want to revert the template. What should I do?</p> <p>You can see the big red warnings for example at {{USS|Wyoming|SSBN-742}}. <a href='?title=User%3AKendall-K1'>Kendall-K1</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AKendall-K1'>talk</a>) 13:07, 23 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:{{u|Kendall-K1}}, basically other templates in <a href='?title=%3ACategory%3AOhio_class_ballistic_missile_submarine_infobox_templates'>:Category:Ohio_class_ballistic_missile_submarine_infobox_templates</a> also use the same refs, so they should also be changed to fix the URL. The refs should probably be another template so that all the Ohio class templates are updated at the same time. <a href='?title=User%3AGalobtter'>Galobtter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AGalobtter'>pingó mió</a>) 13:13, 23 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::Thanks for the quick reply. I didn't know how to track down the other templates, so that's very useful. <a href='?title=User%3AKendall-K1'>Kendall-K1</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AKendall-K1'>talk</a>) 13:17, 23 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--m-pecial-y-anguage-ech-ews-2018-39-ech-ews-2018-39-'><h2 class='section-toggle'>[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/39|Tech News: 2018-39]]</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p><section begin="technews-2018-W39"/><div class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr"><div class="plainlinks"></p> <p>Latest <strong><a href='?title=m%3ASpecial%3AMyLanguage%2FTech%2FNews'>tech news</a></strong> from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. <a href='?title=m%3ASpecial%3AMyLanguage%2FTech%2FNews%2F2018%2F39'>Translations</a> are available.</p> <p><strong>Changes later this week</strong></p> <ul> <li>The <a href='?title=Special%3APreferences'>preferences form</a> will change to use the standard look. If you see any problems please [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/3/?projects=ui-standardization,mediawiki-special-pages report them on Phabricator]. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T117781]</li> <li><a href='?title=File%3AOcticons-sync.svg'>File:Octicons-sync.svg</a> The <a href='?title=mw%3AMediaWiki_1.32%2Fwmf.23'>new version</a> of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 25 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 26 September. It will be on all wikis from 27 September (<a href='?title=mw%3AMediaWiki_1.32%2FRoadmap'>calendar</a>).</li> </ul> <p><strong>Meetings</strong></p> <ul> <li><a href='?title=File%3AOcticons-sync.svg'>File:Octicons-sync.svg</a> <a href='?title=File%3AOcticons-tools.svg'>File:Octicons-tools.svg</a> You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20180926T15 26 September at 15:00 (UTC)]. See <a href='?title=mw%3ATechnical_Advice_IRC_Meeting'>how to join</a>.</li> </ul> <p><strong><em><a href='?title=m%3ASpecial%3AMyLanguage%2FTech%2FNews'>Tech news</a></strong> prepared by <a href='?title=m%3ASpecial%3AMyLanguage%2FTech%2FNews%2FWriters'>Tech News writers</a> and posted by <a href='?title=m%3ASpecial%3AMyLanguage%2FUser%3AMediaWiki_message_delivery'>bot</a> • <a href='?title=m%3ASpecial%3AMyLanguage%2FTech%2FNews%23contribute'>Contribute</a> • <a href='?title=m%3ASpecial%3AMyLanguage%2FTech%2FNews%2F2018%2F39'>Translate</a> • <a href='?title=m%3ATech'>Get help</a> • <a href='?title=m%3ATalk%3ATech%2FNews'>Give feedback</a> • <a href='?title=m%3AGlobal_message_delivery%2FTargets%2FTech_ambassadors'>Subscribe or unsubscribe</a>.</em></p> <p></div></div> <section end="technews-2018-W39"/> 15:22, 24 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p><!-- Message sent by User:Johan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=18408633 --></p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--entral-javascript-library-for-tools-idea'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Central javascript library for tools idea</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>Not sure if this is the best place for this discussion, but figured it might as well start here.</p> <p>I'm sure that many of you have been bitten over the years by how different tools handle seemingly identical operations (see NPP toolbar vs Twinkle in creating AfDs for pages that have had a previous AfD discussion). What I would like to propose is the creation of a centralized javascript library that would contain the code required for common tasks, talk page messages, AfD and CSD processing, etc, that could in turn be used by tools like NPP and Twinkle so that code doing the technical actions wouldn't need to be duplicated across tools. This should reduce the number of errors, both technical and human. I don't have a clear thought out plan on how to accomplish this, but I wanted to broach the topic and see if anyone thought it sounded like a good idea other than me. Part of the challenge will obviously be getting the developers of the individual tools to be on board. <code>{{u|<a href='?title=User%3AZchrykng'>zchrykng</a>}} ^{{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AZchrykng'>T</a>|<a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FZchrykng'>C</a>}}</code> 03:32, 22 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:{{ping|Zchrykng}} I think you might be looking for <a href='?title=mw%3AGadget_kitchen%23What%27s_this_ResourceLoader_thing%3F'>mw:Gadget kitchen#What's this ResourceLoader thing?</a> although perhaps you know about that already and you mean another set of different libraries? <a href='?title=User%3AQuiddity'>Quiddity</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AQuiddity'>talk</a>) 19:07, 24 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::{{ping|Quiddity}} thanks for the link, but no, that isn't what I'm looking for. I was more thinking about creating a centralized library/function that handles creating an AfD page for an article, or handles applying templates, etc. Basically things that many different scripts do, but each has their own slightly different code to handle. And some of these tools handle these function more elegantly than others. So I was thinking it would use useful to establish a single shared function/library that handles common tasks which than tools could use whichever parts are needed while providing their own custom UI on top of the functionality. Not sure if I'm explaining what I'm thinking well. <code>{{u|<a href='?title=User%3AZchrykng'>zchrykng</a>}} ^{{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AZchrykng'>T</a>|<a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FZchrykng'>C</a>}}</code> 19:21, 24 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--ategory-issue'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Category issue</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p><a href='?title=%3ACategory%3AWisconsin_state_senators'>:Category:Wisconsin state senators</a> has 954 members, any idea what should be done? <a href='?title=User%3AGrahamHardy'>GrahamHardy</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AGrahamHardy'>talk</a>) 20:34, 24 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:{{u|GrahamHardy}}, this is due to a rename of <a href='?title=%3ACategory%3AWisconsin_State_Senators'>:Category:Wisconsin_State_Senators</a> conducted by {{u|Timrollpickering}} after Cfd, probably move that cat here <a href='?title=User%3AGalobtter'>Galobtter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AGalobtter'>pingó mió</a>) 20:39, 24 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::All OK now thx <a href='?title=User%3AGrahamHardy'>GrahamHardy</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AGrahamHardy'>talk</a>) 20:47, 24 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--nyone-else-noticing-watchlists-loading-very-slowly-lately-'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Anyone else noticing watchlists loading very slowly lately?</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>I edit WP and Commons and have about 1500 pages on each watchlist. For the past few weeks watchlist loading has been significantly slower. (I use Chrome and Firefox, if that matters.) Is anyone else calling attention to this? If so, is an improvement in the works? Thanks -- <a href='?title=User%3AWikiPedant'>WikiPedant</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AWikiPedant'>talk</a>) 03:00, 23 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:My solution is to have my watchlist display a couple of days of history after I have been away for a while. Then wait for it to display. But when I want to refresh the watchlist I change it to show just the last, say, six hours. That is much faster. After doing that once, I can press F5 to quickly refresh. <a href='?title=User%3AJohnuniq'>Johnuniq</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AJohnuniq'>talk</a>) 03:33, 23 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::{{reply to|Johnuniq}} Thanks. Helpful info. -- <a href='?title=User%3AWikiPedant'>WikiPedant</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AWikiPedant'>talk</a>) 01:02, 25 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section-parsing-template-without-the-whole-shebang'><h2 class='section-toggle'>parsing MW template without the whole shebang</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>If I have an MW template and I want to bust it into a hash map, is there a way to do that other than some DIY broken regex hell? --<a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2F76.122.98.253'>76.122.98.253</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3A76.122.98.253'>talk</a>) 23:36, 24 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:I guess it's not really possible to just "parse" because the MW runtime depends on knowing the valid template parameters at parse time --<a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2F76.122.98.253'>76.122.98.253</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3A76.122.98.253'>talk</a>) 00:55, 25 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::Do you have a particular template/use case of interest? You could plausibly parse the HTML out of the DOM structure rather than try to figure out the wikitext instead in the general case. --<a href='?title=User%3AIzno'>Izno</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AIzno'>talk</a>) 01:59, 25 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--eferral-data-what-search-terms-get-people-to-wiki-pages'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Referral data / what search terms get people to wiki pages</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>Is it possible to find out what search terms lead people to particular wiki pages? (In particular, en.Wiktionarians <a href='?title=%3Awikt%3AWiktionary%3ABeer_parlour%2F2018%2FSeptember%23Recurring_theme_of_ridiculous_rubbish_requests_at_Wiktionary%3ATranslation_requests'>are curious to know</a> what brings people to <a href='?title=%3Awikt%3AWiktionary%3ATranslation_requests'>:wikt:Wiktionary:Translation requests</a>.) <a href='?title=User%3A-sche'>-sche</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3A-sche'>talk</a>) 21:56, 24 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:{{ping|CKoerner (WMF)}} your bailwick I think since you're the comms engagement at <a href='?title=%3Amediawikiwiki%3AWikimedia_Search_Platform'>:mediawikiwiki:Wikimedia Search Platform</a>. --<a href='?title=User%3AIzno'>Izno</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AIzno'>talk</a>) 21:59, 24 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::I don't know if the 'search platform' means just the on-wiki search bar, but FWIW we'd be interested in what 'external' sites (e.g. particular Google searches using certain terms) users reach the page from if that is available, as well as what people might type into the on-wiki search bar. :) <a href='?title=User%3A-sche'>-sche</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3A-sche'>talk</a>) 22:20, 24 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::{{u|-sche}}, I doubt this kind of information can be made available. The privacy policy probably prevents it and the systems are probably engineered specifically to avoid collecting this. Maybe there is some info at a category level (search/internal/external links) but even that seems doubtful to me. —<a href='?title=User%3ATheDJ'>Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATheDJ'>talk</a> • <a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FTheDJ'>contribs</a>) 08:27, 25 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--ore-enu-not-appearing'><h2 class='section-toggle'>MoreMenu not appearing</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>I have been noticing this for some time that the MoreMenu gadget (which adds the really helpful Page and User links beside TW) seems to have stopped working for me. This occurs both in Chrome for Android and Chrome(with Windows)Canybody look into this problem? Regards  — <span class="texhtml"><strong><em><a href='?title=User%3AFR30799386'>f</a><a href='?title=User_talk%3AFR30799386%23top'>r</a></em> <a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FFR30799386'><sup style="color:grey;">+</sup></a></strong></span><!--{{subst:User:FR30799386/sign}}--> 09:19, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:It works for me. Chrome 69.0.3497.100, Windows 10, Vector. Is MoreMenu still enabled at <a href='?title=Special%3APreferences%23mw-prefsection-gadgets'>Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets</a>? What is your skin at <a href='?title=Special%3APreferences%23mw-prefsection-rendering'>Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering</a>? Does it work if you preview a blank version of <a href='?title=User%3AFR30799386%2Fcommon.js'>User:FR30799386/common.js</a>? Does it work at [//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Example?withJS=MediaWiki:Gadget-dropdown-menus.js&withCSS=MediaWiki:Gadget-dropdown-menus-vector.css] if you log out? <a href='?title=User%3APrimeHunter'>PrimeHunter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APrimeHunter'>talk</a>) 09:39, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::{{U|PrimeHunter}} I fixed it. JWB was somehow interfering with the script. — <span class="texhtml"><strong><em><a href='?title=User%3AFR30799386'>f</a><a href='?title=User_talk%3AFR30799386%23top'>r</a></em> <a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FFR30799386'><sup style="color:grey;">+</sup></a></strong></span><!--{{subst:User:FR30799386/sign}}--> 11:15, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--dmin-access-request-for-itchie333'><h2 class='section-toggle'>IAdmin access request for Ritchie333</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>A request for <a href='?title=Wikipedia%3AInterface_administrator'>Interface administrator</a> access under the stop-gap process for <a href='?title=User%3ARitchie333'>User:Ritchie333</a> is currently open at <a href='?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AInterface_administrators%23IAdmin_temporary_access_request_for_User%3ARitchie333'>Wikipedia_talk:Interface_administrators#IAdmin_temporary_access_request_for_User:Ritchie333</a>. Community commentary on the request is welcome at that page. Best regards, — <a href='?title=User%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> ^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a>} 13:38, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--nfobox-hitespace-issue'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Infobox Whitespace issue</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p><a href='?title=File%3AInfobox_whitespace_issue_-_Davey2010.png'>File:Infobox whitespace issue - Davey2010.png</a></p> <p>Hi, Back in August of last year, I had the issue of when I wanted to select whitespace in an infobox from the cursor/I thingy to the equal sign it would select the whole whitespace line (from a letter to the equal sign) instead of just from the cursor/I thingy to the equal sign,<br></p> <p>The issue last year only lasted for an hour or so and then went back to normal but it's now returned,<br></p> <p>I've included a picture to try and better explain what I mean,<br></p> <p>It's the exact same on Firefox so I don't know whether this is now normal or whether a button's been pressed somewhere on my keyboard that's causing it,<br></p> <p>Thanks, –<a href='?title=User%3ADavey2010'><span style="color: blue;"><strong>Davey</strong></span><span style="color: orange;"><strong>2010</strong></span></a>^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3ADavey2010'><span style="color: navy;"><strong>Talk</strong></span></a>} 16:34, 25 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:When you wanted to select the whitespace how? <a href='?title=User%3ANardog'>Nardog</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ANardog'>talk</a>) 14:11, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::Clicking the whitespace a bunch of times, I guess? <a href='?title=User%3AEnterprisey'>Enterprisey</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AEnterprisey'>talk!</a>) 18:38, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--ystematic-change-of-images'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Systematic change of images</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>I would like to create a placeholder for images at the top of my user TP where I can change the image once a week (or month, etc) - <a href='?title=User_talk%3AAtsme%23Pictures'>example here</a> - and wanted to use a static link to a an image pool that can be changed - [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Atsme#Featured_pictures example here] - (1) is it possible and if so, (2) is there anyone who can help me get it done? I'm thinking it might be something like the code used for Today's featured picture on user pages (I copied the code from my user page):</p> <p><syntaxhighlight lang=moin><table class="wiki-table"><tr><td>id="mp-right" style="width:100%; vertical-align:top; background:#f5faff;"</p> <p>! style="padding:2px;" | <h2 id="mp-itn-h2" style="margin:3px; background:#cedff2; font-size:120%; font-weight:bold; border:1px solid #a3b0bf; text-align:left; color:#000; padding:0.2em 0.4em;">Today's featured picture</h2></td></tr><tr><td>style="color:#000; padding:2px 5px;" | <div id="mp-tfp">{{#ifexist:Template:POTD protected/{{#time:Y-m-d}}|{{POTD protected/{{#time:Y-m-d}}}}|{{POTD protected/{{#time:Y-m-d</td></tr><tr><td>1 day}}}}}}</div></td></tr></table></syntaxhighlight></p> <p>Thanks in advance.... ^{<a href='?title=User%3AAtsme'><span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span></a><a href='?title=User_talk%3AAtsme_'>✍🏻</a><a href='?title=Special%3AEmailUser%2FAtsme'>📧</a>} 18:16, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:Maybe you would like {{u|RexxS}}'s <a href='?title=Module%3ACarousel'>Module:Carousel</a>? (Pinging so they can help with setup if so). —<a href='?title=User%3APaleoNeonate'><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#44a;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Paleo</span></a><a href='?title=User_talk%3APaleoNeonate'><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#272;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Neonate</span></a> – 18:33, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:{{ping|Atsme}} It is possible, although the image won't update until the page is edited or purged. At the simplist, you would create a page such as <a href='?title=User%3AAtsme%2FTalk_image'>User:Atsme/Talk image</a> whose content is the image you want to include (with any desired markup), and then just add {{tl|User:Atsme/Talk image}} to the top of your talk page. You would update <a href='?title=User%3AAtsme%2FTalk_image'>User:Atsme/Talk image</a> every time you want to update the image. It would also be possible, with a little more advanced template coding, to have it rotate through a series of images based on the date (let me know if you want to do something like that and I can work up a mockup of how that would work.), or to choose one at random using something like {{tlx|1=Transclude files as random slideshow|2=User:Atsme |3=section1=Featured pictures}}. --<a href='?title=User%3AAhecht'>Ahecht</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AAhecht'><span style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br />PAGE</span></a>) 18:37, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:Or for your own list using the aforementioned module: It seems that you could create a list like <a href='?title=Module%3ACarousel%2F54129'>Module:Carousel/54129</a> (say <a href='?title=Module%3ACarousel%2FAstme'>Module:Carousel/Astme</a>) and specify {{para|name|Astme}} when using the module. —<a href='?title=User%3APaleoNeonate'><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#44a;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Paleo</span></a><a href='?title=User_talk%3APaleoNeonate'><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#272;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Neonate</span></a> – 18:40, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:: {{ping|Atsme}} You could indeed. I've just made a carousel for {{noping|Komodobish}}, so you can look at (1) <a href='?title=Module%3ACarousel%2FKomodobish'>Module:Carousel/Komodobish</a>, which holds the filenames, and (2) <a href='?title=User_talk%3AKomodobish'>User talk:Komodobish</a> for an example of how to get the carousel running. More instructions, if needed, are at <a href='?title=Module%3ACarousel'>Module:Carousel</a>. --<a href='?title=User%3ARexxS'>RexxS</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARexxS'>talk</a>) 18:57, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::Perfect!! Thank you so much to all - ^{<a href='?title=User%3AAtsme'><span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span></a><a href='?title=User_talk%3AAtsme_'>✍🏻</a><a href='?title=Special%3AEmailUser%2FAtsme'>📧</a>} 01:16, 27 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section-automatic-non-breaking-spaces-'><h2 class='section-toggle'>automatic non-breaking spaces?</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>Hey all, in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Naagin_(TV_series)&diff=861344559&oldid=861344456 this edit] {{u|Gonnym}} made a minor change to a template and a bunch of &nbsp; tags were added to the page. He then [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Naagin_(TV_series)&diff=next&oldid=861344559 reverted his edit], but the formatting didn't get pulled back out. Is this anything to look at? Regards, <a href='?title=User%3ACyphoidbomb'>Cyphoidbomb</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ACyphoidbomb'>talk</a>) 21:19, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>Update: When I [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Naagin_(TV_series)&diff=861359787&oldid=861358540 reverted past him], the non-breaking spaces were removed. <a href='?title=User%3ACyphoidbomb'>Cyphoidbomb</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ACyphoidbomb'>talk</a>) 21:27, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:It is possible that the previous version contained actual non-breaking spaces rather than the <code>&nbsp;</code> entity that represents them. Some browsers/addons will replace the former with the latter when saving, this is transparent to the user who will not realise that they are altering other people's posts. --<a href='?title=User%3ARedrose64'><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARedrose64'>talk</a>) 22:14, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::Yes, they were actual <a href='?title=non-breaking_space'>non-breaking space</a>s, U+00A0 in Unicode. Some browsers copy-paste them to normal spaces so it can be difficult to check. I don't know whether Gonnym's edit converted them with a browser, addon or Wikipedia tool but <a href='?title=MOS%3ANBSP'>MOS:NBSP</a> supports to convert them. There is no reason for non-breaking spaces in those locations so they should be changed to normal spaces. <a href='?title=User%3APrimeHunter'>PrimeHunter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APrimeHunter'>talk</a>) 22:30, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:This is <a href='?title=WP%3AWIKEDNBSP'>WP:WIKEDNBSP</a>. --<a href='?title=User%3AIzno'>Izno</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AIzno'>talk</a>) 03:00, 27 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--ombie-category'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Zombie category</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>{{resolved|text=the culprit was <a href='?title=Template%3AWikisourcecat_inline'>Template:Wikisourcecat inline</a>. --<a href='?title=User%3ABrownHairedGirl'><span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span><span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(-3deg)">Haired</span>Girl</a> <small><a href='?title=User_talk%3ABrownHairedGirl'>(talk)</a> • (<a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FBrownHairedGirl'>contribs</a>)</small> 04:41, 27 September 2018 (UTC)}} Can anyone figure out how <a href='?title=Eugenics'>Eugenics</a> is being placed in <a href='?title=%3ACategory%3ACommons_category_with_page_title_same_as_on_Wikidata'>:Category:Commons category with page title same as on Wikidata</a>?</p> <p>The categ was deleted at <a href='?title=Wikipedia%3ACategories_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2017_January_25%23Category%3ACommons_category_with_page_title_same_as_on_Wikidata'>WP:CFD 2017 January 25</a>, and <a href='?title=Template%3ACommons_category'>Template:Commons category</a> was updated[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Commons_category&diff=770577399&oldid=697346804] accordingly by {{yo|Fayenatic london|p=}}.</p> <p>So why is some template putting Eugenics in there? --<a href='?title=User%3ABrownHairedGirl'><span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span><span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(-3deg)">Haired</span>Girl</a> <small><a href='?title=User_talk%3ABrownHairedGirl'>(talk)</a> • (<a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FBrownHairedGirl'>contribs</a>)</small> 03:17, 27 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:It is related to {{tl|Wikisourcecat inline}} - checking more. — <a href='?title=User%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> ^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a>} 03:23, 27 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::{{tl|Wikisourcecat inline}} is the only place where I found it as well. It looks like the cat needs to be commented out of that template, which is used only in <a href='?title=Eugenics'>Eugenics</a>, for some reason. – <a href='?title=User%3AJonesey95'>Jonesey95</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AJonesey95'>talk</a>) 03:25, 27 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::Since the CFD said to delete that it should just be removed from that template. — <a href='?title=User%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> ^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a>} 03:26, 27 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>Many thanks, {{yo|Xaosflux|Jonesey95|p=}}. I have commented it out[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Wikisourcecat_inline&diff=861402821&oldid=754636343] in {{tl|Wikisourcecat inline}}, and that has solved the problem. ----<a href='?title=User%3ABrownHairedGirl'><span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span><span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(-3deg)">Haired</span>Girl</a> <small><a href='?title=User_talk%3ABrownHairedGirl'>(talk)</a> • (<a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FBrownHairedGirl'>contribs</a>)</small> 04:41, 27 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--peedy-delete-module-test-sandbox'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Speedy delete module test sandbox</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>How would I go about requesting a speedy delete of one of my module sandboxes? Twinkle's CSD option as well as manually adding a delete template to the page does not work as it leads to a "Failed to save edit: Lua error at line 1: unexpected symbol near '{'" error. Is there a workaround for this or will I need to manually request a delete somewhere? Thanks.—<a href='?title=User%3ACpt.a.haddock'>Cpt.a.haddock</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ACpt.a.haddock'>talk</a>) <small>(please <u>ping</u> when replying)</small> 15:34, 27 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:{{Re|Cpt.a.haddock}} easiest way: put a CSD on its talk page with a note to also kill the module page. — <a href='?title=User%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> ^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a>} 15:49, 27 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::{{re|Xaosflux}} Ah! That seems obvious in hindsight. Cheers!—<a href='?title=User%3ACpt.a.haddock'>Cpt.a.haddock</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ACpt.a.haddock'>talk</a>) <small>(please <u>ping</u> when replying)</small> 15:58, 27 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--emplates-linking-to-o'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Templates linking to No</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/No&limit=500 WhatLinksHere] indicates that the following templates:</p> <p>{{collapse top|list of templates}}</p> <ul> <li><a href='?title=Template%3AWikiProject_C%2FC%2B%2B'>Template:WikiProject C/C++</a></li> <li><a href='?title=Template%3AWikiProject_Songs'>Template:WikiProject Songs</a></li> <li><a href='?title=Template%3AWikiProject_Pipe_Organ'>Template:WikiProject Pipe Organ</a></li> <li><a href='?title=Template%3AWP1.0'>Template:WP1.0</a></li> <li><a href='?title=Template%3AMaths_banner'>Template:Maths banner</a></li> <li><a href='?title=Template%3AWikiProject_Festivals'>Template:WikiProject Festivals</a></li> <li><a href='?title=Template%3AWikiProject_Scuba_diving'>Template:WikiProject Scuba diving</a></li> <li><a href='?title=Template%3AWikiProject_Articles_for_creation_%28admin%29'>Template:WikiProject Articles for creation (admin)</a></li> <li><a href='?title=Template%3AWikiProject_Home_Living'>Template:WikiProject Home Living</a></li> <li><a href='?title=Template%3AWikiProject_Igbo'>Template:WikiProject Igbo</a></li> <li><a href='?title=Template%3AWikiProject_Genealogy'>Template:WikiProject Genealogy</a></li> <li><a href='?title=Template%3AWikiProject_Requested_articles_%28admin%29'>Template:WikiProject Requested articles (admin)</a></li> <li><a href='?title=Template%3AWikiProject_Poultry'>Template:WikiProject Poultry</a></li> <li><a href='?title=Template%3AAlphabet_Task_Force'>Template:Alphabet Task Force</a></li> </ul> <p>{{collapse bottom}}</p> <p>link to <a href='?title=No'>No</a>, but I can't work out why. Can anyone enlighten me? Thanks. <a href='?title=User%3ADH85868993'>DH85868993</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ADH85868993'>talk</a>) 06:32, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:Likely something to do with how a possible value for the "importance" field in the WikiProject banner is "no". And if a category isn't specified for importance sorting, a wikilink to the importance article (<a href='?title=Top'>Top</a>, <a href='?title=High'>High</a>, <a href='?title=Mid'>Mid</a>, etc) is generated, which in this case would be <a href='?title=No'>No</a>. <a href='?title=User%3AEnterprisey'>Enterprisey</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AEnterprisey'>talk!</a>) 06:45, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::The pages don't actually have the link so the WhatLinksHere entry is probably caused by <code>#ifexist:{{{parameter_which_may_be_no}}}</code> in a used template. The parser function <a href='?title=%3Amw%3AHelp%3AExtension%3AParserFunctions%23%23ifexist'>#ifexist:</a> causes a listing in "What links here" among the normal links even though no link is produced. <a href='?title=User%3APrimeHunter'>PrimeHunter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APrimeHunter'>talk</a>) 08:52, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::Possibly related: [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2017_Community_Wishlist_Survey/Miscellaneous/Stop_ifexist_checks_from_appearing_in_Special:WhatLinksHere 2017 Community Wishlist Survey entry], and {{phab|T14019}}. This looks like it is a ten-year-old bug. – <a href='?title=User%3AJonesey95'>Jonesey95</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AJonesey95'>talk</a>) 09:07, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::The common factor here is that all of these WikiProject banners use the {{tlx|WPBannerMeta}} template having the parameter {{para|ASSESSMENT_LINK|no}}. This does indeed get put into an <code><nowiki>{{#ifexist:...}}</nowiki></code> test, inside {{tlx|WPBannerMeta/templatepage}}. --<a href='?title=User%3ARedrose64'><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARedrose64'>talk</a>) 12:53, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::I've traced through the code of {{tlx|WPBannerMeta}} and {{tlx|WPBannerMeta/templatepage}} (something that I would not be able to do if these were converted to Lua) <del>and I'm pretty certain that the {{para|ASSESSMENT_LINK|no}} parameter may be blanked without harm</del> <ins>Maybe not</ins>. --<a href='?title=User%3ARedrose64'><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARedrose64'>talk</a>) 13:44, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::::Thanks all for the responses. <a href='?title=User%3ADH85868993'>DH85868993</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ADH85868993'>talk</a>) 06:06, 27 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::::I've updated {{tlx|WPBannerMeta}} so that this no longer happens. -- <a href='?title=User%3AWOSlinker'>WOSlinker</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AWOSlinker'>talk</a>) 21:19, 27 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::::::Thanks <a href='?title=User%3AWOSlinker'>WOSlinker</a>! <a href='?title=User%3ADH85868993'>DH85868993</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ADH85868993'>talk</a>) 22:25, 27 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--pecial-og-question'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Special:Log question</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>I don't know if its just me, but the two last entries from 2013 in the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&action=view&page=Encyclopedia deletion log for "Encyclopedia"] look bizarre. Is this a bug or is it just me? <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><a href='?title=User%3AL293D'><b style="color:#060">L293D</b></a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AL293D%23top'><b style="color:#000">☎</b></a> • <a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FL293D'><b style="color:#000">✎</b></a>)</span> 02:19, 28 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:They're remnants of the now-removed <a href='?title=Wikipedia%3AArticle_Feedback_Tool'>Article Feedback Tool</a>. <strong><a href='?title=User%3AGraham87'>Graham</a></strong><a href='?title=User_talk%3AGraham87'><span style="color: green;">87</span></a> 07:42, 28 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--hecking-email-addresses-associated-to-accounts'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Checking email addresses associated to accounts</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>Hi, I've been an idiot and forgotten <em>both</em> the password <strong>and</strong> email address I used for my old account: <a href='?title=User_talk%3AMrPenguin20%23Complications'>MrPenguin20</a>. Is there any way I can find out what the email address associated to my old account was, so I can log into it and reset my password? Would anyone (eg admins) have access to that information? Thanks! <a href='?title=User%3AMrPenguin21'>MrPenguin21</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AMrPenguin21'>talk</a>) 17:42, 25 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:{{replyto|MrPenguin21}} Go to <a href='?title=Special%3AEmailUser%2FMrPenguin20'>Special:EmailUser/MrPenguin20</a>, send an email with an easily-recognisable subject line. Then check the inboxes of all of your various mailers, to see if a mail has arrived from wiki{{@}}wikimedia.org - examine the email header details (the method for doing this varies between mailers) to locate the "to" line. This shows the email address associated with the <a href='?title=User%3AMrPenguin20'>User:MrPenguin20</a> account. You should then be able to visit <a href='?title=Help%3AReset_password'>Help:Reset password</a> for further directions. --<a href='?title=User%3ARedrose64'><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARedrose64'>talk</a>) 22:13, 25 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::The account {{User4|MrPenguin20}} doesn't have email address. You either once set and removed it or never set one in the first place. –<a href='?title=User%3AAmmarpad'>Ammarpad</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AAmmarpad'>talk</a>) 07:15, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::: Thanks both that's really useful.</p> <p>::: @Ammarpad - I definitely had an email address pinned to the account, but then I thought I changed it, but it looks like you're right and rather than changing it I just removed it and never gave a replacement... *bangs head off wall*. I assume that's likely me out of options because an admin likely couldn't just change the password for me due to a lack of authentication (although I suppose I do have emails I received from Wikipedia to my old account at the email) <a href='?title=User%3AMrPenguin21'>MrPenguin21</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AMrPenguin21'>talk</a>) 19:16, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::Wikipedia admins don't have access. Some developers can set or change an email address for an account so <a href='?title=Special%3APasswordReset'>Special:PasswordReset</a> can be used. They only consider it in special cases like accounts with high user rights or edit counts, and they require authentication. <a href='?title=phab%3AT201280'>phab:T201280</a> is an example request from a user who was still logged in at the English Wikipedia. <a href='?title=User%3APrimeHunter'>PrimeHunter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APrimeHunter'>talk</a>) 19:43, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::::"Access Denied: Restricted Task". --<a href='?title=User%3ARedrose64'><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARedrose64'>talk</a>) 20:04, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::: {{ec}} {{re|MrPenguin21}} What PrimeHunter said. <a href='?title=User%3AAmmarpad'>Ammarpad</a> can't tell the difference between "you have no email set" and "you have an email set but it's not confirmed". If you do have an unconfirmed email set, entering the username on <a href='?title=Special%3APasswordReset'>Special:PasswordReset</a> will work to generate an email where <a href='?title=Special%3AEmailUser'>Special:EmailUser</a> would fail. You'd still have to have access to the email account in question to receive the email, of course. <a href='?title=User%3AAnomie'>Anomie</a><a href='?title=User_talk%3AAnomie'>⚔</a> 20:07, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::::Thank you Anomie. I was of course thinking of that line about the effect of confirmation, but the difference was not explained in any help pages here and on MediaWiki. –<a href='?title=User%3AAmmarpad'>Ammarpad</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AAmmarpad'>talk</a>) 20:13, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::::: Thanks all for your ongoing help with this. The <a href='?title=Special%3APasswordReset'>Special Password reset</a> says "A password reminder has already been sent within the last 24 hours. To prevent abuse, only one password reminder will be sent per 24 hours." So perhaps there is an email address connected to the account afterall? Maybe therefore it's just unconfirmed. Sadly I don't seem to have the right privileges to view T201280 on phabricator ("<em>You do not have permission to view this object</em>."). Would it be worth trying to raise a tick there? <a href='?title=User%3AMrPenguin21'>MrPenguin21</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AMrPenguin21'>talk</a>) 20:42, 27 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::::::<a href='?title=Special%3AEmailUser%2FMrPenguin20'>Special:EmailUser/MrPenguin20</a> says "This user has not specified a valid email address." That message is both shown if the user has set no address and if the user has set an address but never confirmed it by clicking a link in a mail sent to the address. The message at <a href='?title=Special%3APasswordReset'>Special:PasswordReset</a> sounds like MrPenguin20 is in the latter situation. I didn't know T201280 was restricted. I don't have any special Phabricator access but after I had already posted, the visibility was changed with existing subscribers allowed. The user was logged in and made edits from the account itself for authentication so it was a simple case. It's not like your case but it's the only request I have helped with. I don't know what is normally required. <a href='?title=User%3APrimeHunter'>PrimeHunter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APrimeHunter'>talk</a>) 10:49, 28 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--yntax-highlighter-and-spell-checker'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Syntax highlighter and spell checker</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>Hello team, I am not sure, most probably I have installed some script (or something). Now when I am editing, syntac is highlighted [https://www.awesomescreenshot.com/image/3635088/912615c2aa2d725c409f4bf49774115a like this]. I want to disable it, a big problem is with this spell checker (browser, Grammarly) is not working at all. Another problem is Autocomplete of links, templates script is also not working. However I am unable to do it, as I don't remember what exactly I did to enable it. I tried by commenting out several scripts at <a href='?title=User%3ATitodutta%2Fcommon.js'>User:Titodutta/common.js</a>. Suggestion please how can I turn it off? --<a href='?title=User%3ATitodutta'>Titodutta</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATitodutta'>talk</a>)13:37, 28 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:{{u|Titodutta}} click the highlighter icon to the direct left of "Advanced" in the top toolbar of the editor to disable syntax highlighting <a href='?title=User%3AGalobtter'>Galobtter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AGalobtter'>pingó mió</a>) 13:39, 28 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::* Wow, (my bad), many thanks. --<a href='?title=User%3ATitodutta'>Titodutta</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATitodutta'>talk</a>) 13:47, 28 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--closer-bug'><h2 class='section-toggle'>XFDcloser bug</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>See also <a href='?title=User_talk%3AEvad37%2FXFDcloser.js%2FArchive_3%23API_error_bug%2C_September_2018'>User talk:Evad37/XFDcloser.js/Archive 3#API error bug, September 2018</a></p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--closer-'><h2 class='section-toggle'>= AFD closer =</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>Hi, I'm having some problems with closing the AfDs with either of the two tools - I get "API error: aborted: possible edit conflict (found section heading ..." Any idea what the issue is? Thanks :) --<strong><a href='?title=User%3ATone'>Tone</a></strong> 11:24, 28 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:{{ping|Tone}} This was a bug that has been fixed now - <u><strong><a href='?title=User%3AEvad37'>Evad</a><em>37</strong></em></u> <span style="font-size:95%;">[<a href='?title=d%3Aw%3AUser_talk%3AEvad37'>talk</a>]</span> 02:04, 29 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--closer-error-'><h2 class='section-toggle'>= XFDcloser error? =</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>When I try to close <a href='?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FMark_Molesworth'>Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Molesworth</a>, I get:</p> <p>Closing discussion: Aborted.API error: aborted: possible edit conflict (found section heading `:Mark Molesworth`) – Could not edit page Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Molesworth; could not close discussion</p> <p>Deleting page: Aborted.</p> <p>Deleting talk page: Aborted.</p> <p>Deleting redirects: Aborted.</p> <p>Unlinking backlinks: Aborted.</p> <p>I assume this is some mis-formatting of the header, but I can't see it. Anybody know what the problem is? -- <a href='?title=User%3ARoySmith'>RoySmith</a> <a href='?title=User_Talk%3ARoySmith'>(talk)</a> 23:46, 28 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:{{ping|RoySmith}} This was a bug in the script's edit conflict detection system, fixed now. (<a href='?title=WT%3AXFDC'>WT:XFDC</a> is the best place to report XFDcloser bugs, by the way.) - <u><strong><a href='?title=User%3AEvad37'>Evad</a><em>37</strong></em></u> <span style="font-size:95%;">[<a href='?title=d%3Aw%3AUser_talk%3AEvad37'>talk</a>]</span> 01:59, 29 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--ecursive-navbox'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Recursive navbox</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>Can navboxes be recursive? I recently reworked {{tl|Doctor Who companions}}, so that if you call it as just {{tlx|Doctor Who companions}}, it displays everything:</p> <p>{{Doctor Who companions}}</p> <p>Whereas if you call {{tlx|Doctor Who companions|9}}, it'll display just the group for the Ninth Doctor's companions (for the articles for the Ninth Doctor and his companions):</p> <p>{{Doctor Who companions|9}}</p> <p>Now, I'm wanting to make it be able to be call the template like {{tlx|Doctor Who companions|9|10}}, so that it will display the groups for both the Ninth and Tenth Doctor's companions. However, this isn't possible with the <a href='?title=mw%3AHelp%3AExtension%3AParserFunctions%23%23switch'>switch function</a> currently being used. What I attempted to do was include the following at the bottom of the template:</p> <p><code><nowiki>| list20 = {{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{Doctor Who companions|child=child| {{{2|}}} }} |}}</nowiki></code></p> <p>This was so that if the navbox was called recursively that second time (without a second parameter itself, so it wouldn't be called again), the template wouldn't be a navbox, but rather a child navbox. However, I'm getting a "Template loop" error, and it won't work. Am I doing this wrong, or is there a way to do this? Thanks. -- <strong><a href='?title=User%3AAlexTheWhovian'><span style="color:#1632E0;text-shadow:1px 1px 8px #324A6E;">Alex</span></a></strong><em><a href='?title=User_talk%3AAlexTheWhovian%23top'>^{<span style="color:#1632E0">TW</span>}</a></em> 08:22, 29 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:It's not a navbox problem - templates cannot transclude themselves, this is a design feature of MediaWiki. --<a href='?title=User%3ARedrose64'><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARedrose64'>talk</a>) 11:21, 29 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>Thank you to {{u|PrimeHunter}} for the fix! Works just as required now.</p> <p>{{Doctor Who companions|9|10}}</p> <p>-- <strong><a href='?title=User%3AAlexTheWhovian'><span style="color:#1632E0;text-shadow:1px 1px 8px #324A6E;">Alex</span></a></strong><em><a href='?title=User_talk%3AAlexTheWhovian%23top'>^{<span style="color:#1632E0">TW</span>}</a></em> 11:27, 29 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:Thanks. <a href='?title=WP%3ATEMPLATE_LOOP'>WP:TEMPLATE LOOP</a> says: "A template can call itself but will stop after one iteration to prevent an infinite loop." It appears this only applies when the template page itself is rendered. It means that examples in {{tag|noinclude}} work, e.g. transcluded from a documentation subpage. If another page calls a template then the template is apparently not allowed to call itself a single time. Your attempt had other issues. I made a different implementation which allows up to five selected groups.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Doctor_Who_companions&diff=861704131&oldid=861704056] A switch is usually applied to a variable expression but it also works fine on a constant. <a href='?title=User%3APrimeHunter'>PrimeHunter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APrimeHunter'>talk</a>) 11:29, 29 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--ow-could-get-a-page-that-times-out-to-load'><h2 class='section-toggle'>How could I get a page that times out to load</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>The page <a href='?title=Wikipedia%3AWikiProject_Portal%2FList_of_all_portals%2FArchive%2F4-22-2018%2FPage_1'>Wikipedia:WikiProject_Portal/List_of_all_portals/Archive/4-22-2018/Page_1</a> times out due to the time it is taking to load the page being over 60 seconds. Usually this is not the case, but because there is a large number of links which have become redlinks, I presume the calculations for that are pushing it over the 60 seconds limit. Is there a way to force the page to continue working over 60 seconds? <a href='?title=User%3ADreamy_Jazz'>Dreamy <i style="color:#d01e1e"><strong>Jazz</strong></i></a> 🎷 ^{<em><a href='?title=User_talk%3ADreamy_Jazz'>talk to me</a></em> | <em><a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FDreamy_Jazz'>my contributions</a></em>} 20:54, 28 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:No, 60 seconds is the limit and won't be increased for various good reasons. The page has 42,876 lines like this:</p> <p><pre></p> <ul> <li><a href='?title=Portal%3A1920s'>Portal:1920s</a></li> </ul> <p></pre></p> <p>:With just the first 5,000 lines it takes 2.4 real time seconds to display a preview. I guess this is MediaWiki's way of saying that a list like that is too long. <a href='?title=User%3AJohnuniq'>Johnuniq</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AJohnuniq'>talk</a>) 23:57, 28 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::Yes, split it down into multiple pages - it was created as page 1 of 4, maybe pages 1-4 of 16 would have been a better approach. On a side matter, the page name containing 4-22-2018 is not a good idea; 2018-04-22 would have been better. --<a href='?title=User%3ARedrose64'><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARedrose64'>talk</a>) 11:27, 29 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::If you cannot reach an edit link then manually add <code>?action=edit</code> to the url. <a href='?title=User%3APrimeHunter'>PrimeHunter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APrimeHunter'>talk</a>) 11:34, 29 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--ixing-bad-mobile-layout'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Fixing bad mobile layout</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p><a href='?title=Lagrangian_point'>Lagrangian point</a> looks fine in desktop view, but in [//en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrangian_point mobile view] the lead images obscure the text. Any recommendations for troubleshooting this? Thanks, <a href='?title=User%3A28bytes'>28bytes</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3A28bytes'>talk</a>) 02:08, 21 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:{{ping|28bytes}} Looks fine to me in mobile domain. What do you mean by "obscures the text"? Obscure would be a word I would use to say "in front of"--what I see is "moves the text down", as is reasonable. --<a href='?title=User%3AIzno'>Izno</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AIzno'>talk</a>) 02:31, 21 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::{{ping|Izno}} I have uploaded a screenshot of what I am seeing <a href='?title=%3AFile%3ATroubleshooting_Lagrangian_point_article.png'>here</a>. <a href='?title=User%3A28bytes'>28bytes</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3A28bytes'>talk</a>) 02:59, 21 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::{{ping|28bytes}} Obscure indeed. What operating system, browser, and version is that in? --<a href='?title=User%3AIzno'>Izno</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AIzno'>talk</a>) 04:41, 21 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::{{ping|Izno}} iPhone 6, iOS 10.3.3, Safari. <a href='?title=User%3A28bytes'>28bytes</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3A28bytes'>talk</a>) 11:03, 21 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::It might be due to the 400 px fixed image size of the lead image, which is above <a href='?title=MOS%3AIMGSIZE'>MOS:IMGSIZE</a> recommendations for fixed image size for the lead image. I've reduced it - does it look fine now? <a href='?title=User%3AGalobtter'>Galobtter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AGalobtter'>pingó mió</a>) 10:00, 21 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::{{ping|Galobtter}} Unfortunately the text is still hidden behind the images, even at the reduced size. <a href='?title=User%3A28bytes'>28bytes</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3A28bytes'>talk</a>) 11:03, 21 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>Anyone else have any suggestions? <a href='?title=User%3A28bytes'>28bytes</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3A28bytes'>talk</a>) 03:46, 29 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:{{re|28bytes}} please check again. —⁠<a href='?title=User%3AAndrybak'>andrybak</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AAndrybak'>talk</a>) 09:33, 29 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::{{ping|Andrybak}} Unfortunately the text is still hidden in my browser. <a href='?title=User%3A28bytes'>28bytes</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3A28bytes'>talk</a>) 12:44, 29 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--ink-formatting'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Link formatting</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>This isn't a major issue, but I think I should mention it. At <a href='?title=WP%3ARM'>WP:RM</a>, about half of the "Discuss" links have the "scu" underlined on my system (that is, they appear as "<em>Di<u>scu</u>ss</em>"). I'm using FireFox 62.0.2 with Monobook, and haven't made any changes to my system recently. What might be causing this? <a href='?title=User%3ATevildo'>Tevildo</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATevildo'>talk</a>) 23:41, 29 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:Same for me, Win10, Edge, Monobook. <a href='?title=User%3ADuncanHill'>DuncanHill</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ADuncanHill'>talk</a>) 23:42, 29 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:It's in the actual wikitext, not a fault at the reader's end. <a href='?title=User%3ADuncanHill'>DuncanHill</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ADuncanHill'>talk</a>) 23:44, 29 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::See the "Relisting" section for background information. Apparently this formatting is intended to mark bot-relisted discussions. <a href='?title=User%3AGermanJoe'>GermanJoe</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AGermanJoe'>talk</a>) 23:49, 29 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::Thanks, I didn't notice that. Not, perhaps, the most obvious of UI elements, but it appears to be working as designed. <a href='?title=User%3ATevildo'>Tevildo</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATevildo'>talk</a>) 23:54, 29 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::::It of course signifies relisted discussion, but not by bot. A bot cannot relist discussion. The bot only underlines that part after the discussion has been relisted by human. –<a href='?title=User%3AAmmarpad'>Ammarpad</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AAmmarpad'>talk</a>) 05:29, 30 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--ard-to-scroll-down-in-lower-right-corner-of-edit-window'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Hard to scroll down in lower right corner of edit window</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>If I want to scroll down and I move the cursor to the lower right corner of the edit window, the cursor has turned into two arrows, one pointing toward the upper left, and one pointing toward the lower right. In geometry we called this a line, while an arrow pointing in one direction, the way the cursor normally looks, was a ray. As long as the arrows are pointing in two directions I can't scroll down without being very precise in positioning the cursor. This is has been a problem for weeks but I just keep forgetting to report it.— <a href='?title=User%3AVchimpanzee'><span style="color:#070">Vchimpanzee</span></a> • <a href='?title=User_talk%3AVchimpanzee'><span style="color:#F80"> talk</span></a> • <a href='?title=Special%3AContribs%2FVchimpanzee'><span style="color:#700">contributions</span></a> • 19:28, 27 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:This is a feature in many programs to resize the window by dragging a corner in any direction with the mouse when a two-way arrow is displayed. At the top right your window may have an icon to maximize the window to use the whole screen. If you do this then the resize option probably disappears. None of this is Wikipedia related and we wouldn't disable it if we could. <a href='?title=User%3APrimeHunter'>PrimeHunter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APrimeHunter'>talk</a>) 22:17, 27 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::It is new, so if it isn't Wikipedia related it's an update in Windows. But it is only the Wikipedia edit window and it's not in the upper right corner.— <a href='?title=User%3AVchimpanzee'><span style="color:#070">Vchimpanzee</span></a> • <a href='?title=User_talk%3AVchimpanzee'><span style="color:#F80"> talk</span></a> • <a href='?title=Special%3AContribs%2FVchimpanzee'><span style="color:#700">contributions</span></a> • 15:08, 28 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::What is your browser? I guess it has an icon with a square or two overlapping squares at the top right, to the left of X. This toggles between a maximized fixed window and a non-maximized window which can be resized by dragging a corner with the two-way arrow. Maybe you accidentally clicked the icon weeks ago and the current behaviour started. I suspect you can get the two-way arrow at all four corners if they are visible on the screen and the window is not in the maximized mode. This all assumes you refer to the corner of the whole window and not the edit area. <a href='?title=User%3APrimeHunter'>PrimeHunter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APrimeHunter'>talk</a>) 16:36, 28 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::It doesn't matter. It happens at home with Edge and at the library with Chrome. The two-way arrow does not happen except in the lower right corner of the edit window, and I always maximize windows. The lower right corner of the edit window in Wikipedia has a very small triangle or maybe a series of very short lines moving from upper right to lower left.— <a href='?title=User%3AVchimpanzee'><span style="color:#070">Vchimpanzee</span></a> • <a href='?title=User_talk%3AVchimpanzee'><span style="color:#F80"> talk</span></a> • <a href='?title=Special%3AContribs%2FVchimpanzee'><span style="color:#700">contributions</span></a> • 19:54, 28 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::::For me, the lower right corner of the edit box shows six little dots (arranged in a triangle) in Firefox, but two diagonal lines in Opera. These decorations mean the same thing: that the edit window is resizable, by using the mouse to drag that decoration around. This has been the case for several years; it was certainly present some time before the preferences options to set the window size (in terms of number of lines and characters) were removed. Other aspects vary between browsers too: when hovering over that tiny region, the mouse pointer is also different - in Firefox, it's the north west/south east arrow ⤡, in Opera it becomes a normal arrow pointer <a href='?title=File%3ACursor.svg'>20px</a>; in Firefox you can resize right down to four lines by one character, in Opera you can increase beyond the default on both axes, but cannot reduce dimensions below the defaults. Google Chrome: as Opera except that you cannot alter the width.</p> <p>:::::I'm guessing that {{u|Vchimpanzee}} has recently upgraded their browser (or switched to a different one) where the aspects of the user interface are different from their previous experience. As {{u|PrimeHunter}} notes, this is outside our control. --<a href='?title=User%3ARedrose64'><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARedrose64'>talk</a>) 12:31, 29 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::::As I said, this is independent of whether I am at home or at the library and not browser-related. This is something that started happening a few weeks ago and it's annoying because if I need to use the down arrow to scroll down, it is hard to put the cursor in exactly the right place.— <a href='?title=User%3AVchimpanzee'><span style="color:#070">Vchimpanzee</span></a> • <a href='?title=User_talk%3AVchimpanzee'><span style="color:#F80"> talk</span></a> • <a href='?title=Special%3AContribs%2FVchimpanzee'><span style="color:#700">contributions</span></a> • 15:30, 29 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::::::The sensitive part of the mouse pointer is either the exact centre (for symmetric pointers) or the very end (for asymmetric pointers such as the arrow). Get that anywhere within a region that is approximately 12x12 pixels and click. Or click in the shaded greay area above it. Or drag the slider that partially obscures the grey. Or roll the mouse wheel. Or use the keyboard - {{keypress|Page Down}} and the down-arrow key both work. --<a href='?title=User%3ARedrose64'><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARedrose64'>talk</a>) 18:26, 29 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>{{outdent}}If they work.— <a href='?title=User%3AVchimpanzee'><span style="color:#070">Vchimpanzee</span></a> • <a href='?title=User_talk%3AVchimpanzee'><span style="color:#F80"> talk</span></a> • <a href='?title=Special%3AContribs%2FVchimpanzee'><span style="color:#700">contributions</span></a> • 18:20, 30 September 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--assword-eset-equest-on-eta-'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Password Reset Request on Meta ?</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>I received the following email from WMF:</p> <p>Someone (probably you, from IP address 2601:5C1:8200:BFA2:E11E:2EDD:9D4E:BF2C) requested a reset of your password for Meta (<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Main_Page>). The following user account is associated with this email address:</p> <p>Username:</p> <p>Robert McClenon</p> <p>Temporary password:</p> <p><nowiki>********</nowiki></p> <p>This temporary password will expire in 7 days.</p> <p>You should log in and choose a new password now. If someone else made this request, or if you have remembered your original password, and you no longer wish to change it, you may ignore this message and continue using your old password.</p> <p>I wasn't on Meta yesterday and didn't request a password reset. Was someone trying unsuccessfully to hack my account, unsuccessful because the email went to my registered email address? Should I do anything further, such as reporting the hack?</p> <p><a href='?title=User%3ARobert_McClenon'>Robert McClenon</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARobert_McClenon'>talk</a>) 19:43, 30 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:Hey {{u|Robert McClenon}} - this is caused by someone visiting <a href='?title=Special%3APasswordReset'>Special:PasswordReset</a> and putting your username in. I get a few every now and then, as do many other users - it's nothing to worry about, though maybe take this opportunity to have a look through <a href='?title=WP%3AUser_account_security'>these guidelines</a> on account security, and perhaps consider enabling <a href='?title=WP%3ASimple_2FA'>two-factor authentication</a> - <a href='?title=User%3AThere%27sNoTime'>TNT</a> ^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AThere%27sNoTime'>💖</a>} 19:51, 30 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::Am I correct that this was a useless attempt to capture my password, and not something due to good faith? I am satisfied with my password. It was not breached. I have read the guidelines. I do not think that I am eligible for two-factor, because I am not an administrator. It appears that it sends a one-time number to my cell phone if I try to log on, which is essentially unbreakable. (Using an ATM card is true two-factor security, because it relies both on the card and the PIN.) I don't think I need two-factor anyway. I very seldom log on because I never log out on my own devices, but stay logged on for up to 30 days, and have the password saved on them besides. So I do have a problem if someone steals my cell phone or steals my laptop, but I have bigger problems than Wikipedia then. <a href='?title=User%3ARobert_McClenon'>Robert McClenon</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARobert_McClenon'>talk</a>) 23:53, 30 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::It was just someone fooling around and it happens regularly. Ignore it. Any reasonable password cannot be guessed using Wikipedia's slow log in system and Special:PasswordReset can be used by anyone, anywhere. Just make sure you do not use the same password as used on any other account associated with your name on the internet. <a href='?title=User%3AJohnuniq'>Johnuniq</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AJohnuniq'>talk</a>) 00:00, 1 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::{{ec}} {{Re|Robert McClenon}} if you didn't do this, it is safe to just ignore. — <a href='?title=User%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> ^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a>} 00:02, 1 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--ua-editor-issues'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Lua editor issues</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>{{tracked|T56136}}</p> <p>I'm running into some issues with the Lua editor's ability to handle some unicode characters. Compare this <a href='?title=Module%3ASandbox%2FCpt.a.haddock%2Ftest'>module page</a> and this <a href='?title=Wikipedia%3ATutorial%2FCiting_sources%2Fsandbox'>article sandbox page</a> with the same text. Now if you edit the module and try to edit something after say, the words "Komal Gandhara", it does not function the way you'd expect it to as it seems to be "off by 1". This is very likely because of the presence of the character G̱ on the same line. You can see it happening elsewhere too, for example, on lines with M̄. You won't see this behaviour if you edit the same text in the linked article sandbox. I'm running into other Lua issues too because of the use of these characters as table keys. But I'd like to sort this out first. I'm using Google Chrome. Cheers.—<a href='?title=User%3ACpt.a.haddock'>Cpt.a.haddock</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ACpt.a.haddock'>talk</a>) <small>(please <u>ping</u> when replying)</small> 19:46, 29 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:As far as I know there is no sorting this out short of fixing the editor. Upper left corner of the code editor has <code><></code> click that to toggle in and out of the code editor.</p> <p>:—<a href='?title=User%3ATrappist_the_monk'>Trappist the monk</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATrappist_the_monk'>talk</a>) 19:57, 29 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::{{re|Trappist the monk}} Thanks. Is there a bug report for this somewhere?—<a href='?title=User%3ACpt.a.haddock'>Cpt.a.haddock</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ACpt.a.haddock'>talk</a>) <small>(please <u>ping</u> when replying)</small> 21:04, 29 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::This is because the editor doesn't support non-regular spaced fonts very well. It's a long standing issue with the library that is used to create the editor. —<a href='?title=User%3ATheDJ'>Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATheDJ'>talk</a> • <a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FTheDJ'>contribs</a>) 07:37, 1 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--ysterious-text-in-mobile-view'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Mysterious text in mobile view</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>When I view <a href='?title=Australia_at_the_2018_Winter_Olympics'>Australia at the 2018 Winter Olympics</a> on my mobile device (Wikipedia app, Android OS), the infobox and medalist table are shown collapsed by default. The infobox shows as:</p> <p><table class="wiki-table"><tr><td>class=wikitable</p> <p>|<strong>Quick facts</strong>: IOC code, NOC ... v</td></tr></table></p> <p>which is fine, but the medalists table shows as:</p> <p><table class="wiki-table"><tr><td>class=wikitable</p> <p>|<strong>More information</strong>: Disasters, Africa ... v</td></tr></table></p> <p>My question is: Where does the text "Disasters, Africa" come from? Neither word appears in the article. Thanks. <a href='?title=User%3ADH85868993'>DH85868993</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ADH85868993'>talk</a>) 11:27, 1 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:I just removed some stray formatting tags. Is it better? I do not see what you see in either revision, even when I switch to mobile view on my computer and make the window very small. (Forking the discussion: shouldn't mobile view be mobile view, regardless of the viewing device?) – <a href='?title=User%3AJonesey95'>Jonesey95</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AJonesey95'>talk</a>) 11:33, 1 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::"Wikipedia app, Android OS" indicates he is using <a href='?title=Help%3AMobile_access%23Android'>Help:Mobile access#Android</a> and not using a browser to view the mobile version https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_at_the_2018_Winter_Olympics. I don't have an Android device for testing. <a href='?title=User%3APrimeHunter'>PrimeHunter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APrimeHunter'>talk</a>) 11:47, 1 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::{{ping|Jonesey95}} Yes, that's better - the medalists table now shows:</p> <p>:::<table class="wiki-table"><tr><td>class=wikitable</p> <p>|<strong>More information</strong>: Medal, Name ... v</td></tr></table></p> <p>:::Thanks. <a href='?title=User%3ADH85868993'>DH85868993</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ADH85868993'>talk</a>) 11:55, 1 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::You're welcome. FYI to the gnomes watching this page, the problem was a missing {{tag|div|c}} end tag caused by a stray {{tl|col-begin}} template with no matching closing template. This error was one of 585,000 "missing end tag" <a href='?title=Special%3ALintErrors'>Linter errors</a> that still need to be fixed in article space. Most errors don't cause this much trouble, but there is plenty of ugliness still out there to be fixed. You are welcome to find out how to help; the best place to ask how to help is probably <a href='?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ALinter'>Wikipedia talk:Linter</a>. – <a href='?title=User%3AJonesey95'>Jonesey95</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AJonesey95'>talk</a>) 13:08, 1 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--ua-attempt-to-index-field-a-nil-value-'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Lua: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value)</h2><div class='wiki-body'><ul> <li><a href='?title=Module%3ASandbox%2FCpt.a.haddock%2Ftest'>Test module</a></li> <li><a href='?title=Template%3AX5'>Test template</a> (This might have been reverted by a bot. If so, please revert back.)</li> <li><a href='?title=User%3ACpt.a.haddock%2Fsandbox'>Sandbox</a></li> </ul> <p>If you look in the sandbox, you will see an error: "Lua error in Module:Sandbox/Cpt.a.haddock/test at line 17: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value)." You will however not see the error if you call the same function (<code>print(p.test({'S'}))</code>) from the debug console where it runs successfully. Any idea why this might be happening? A scope issue? Thanks.—<a href='?title=User%3ACpt.a.haddock'>Cpt.a.haddock</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ACpt.a.haddock'>talk</a>) <small>(please <u>ping</u> when replying)</small> 12:31, 1 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:several things:</p> <p>:*first: abandon the general purpose sandboxes for one that you own and control</p> <p>:*second: template and module parameters are passed to lua function as part of frame objects so <code>p.test (frame)</code> not <code>p.test (args)</code></p> <p>:*third: it is convenient to make a pointer to the frame.args table (easier to type) so: <code>local args = frame.args</code></p> <p>:*fourth: you don't need a template to test an <code><nowiki>{{#invoke:}}</nowiki></code> but you do have to provide parameters. Your test template has this which doesn't pass parameters:</p> <p>:*:<code><nowiki>{{#invoke:Sandbox/Cpt.a.haddock/test|test}}</nowiki></code></p> <p>:I've tweaked your module:</p> <p>::<code><nowiki>{{#invoke:Sandbox/Cpt.a.haddock/test|test|S}}</nowiki></code> → {{#invoke:Sandbox/Cpt.a.haddock/test|test|S}}</p> <p>:—<a href='?title=User%3ATrappist_the_monk'>Trappist the monk</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATrappist_the_monk'>talk</a>) 13:53, 1 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::{{re|Trappist the monk}} Thank you! The lack of the frame parameter was my copy-and-paste error as I am using the Arguments module in my module. Anyhow, your edit made me realise that the error was about accessing the table using an invalid key (which was created because what I thought was a copy of a table was just a pointer to the original). Cheers.—<a href='?title=User%3ACpt.a.haddock'>Cpt.a.haddock</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ACpt.a.haddock'>talk</a>) <small>(please <u>ping</u> when replying)</small> 17:29, 1 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--m-pecial-y-anguage-ech-ews-2018-40-ech-ews-2018-40-'><h2 class='section-toggle'>[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/40|Tech News: 2018-40]]</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p><section begin="technews-2018-W40"/><div class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr"><div class="plainlinks"></p> <p>Latest <strong><a href='?title=m%3ASpecial%3AMyLanguage%2FTech%2FNews'>tech news</a></strong> from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. <a href='?title=m%3ASpecial%3AMyLanguage%2FTech%2FNews%2F2018%2F40'>Translations</a> are available.</p> <p><strong>Recent changes</strong></p> <ul> <li>Ordinary pages can no longer be loaded as <a href='?title=w%3Aen%3AJavaScript'>javascript</a>. You could do this using <code dir=ltr>?action=raw&ctype=text/javascript</code> in the <a href='?title=w%3Aen%3AURL'>URL</a>. Only fully protected pages in the MediaWiki: namespace or user javascript subpages can be loaded as javascript now. This is for better security. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-ambassadors/2018-September/001955.html][https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2018-September/090882.html]</li> </ul> <p><strong>Problems</strong></p> <ul> <li>New and updated translations from <a href='?title=%3Aen%3Aw%3Atranslatewiki.net'>translatewiki.net</a> will not reach the wikis for a while. You can still translate messages on translatewiki.net. The Wikimedia wikis will be updated with the new translations later. This is because of work on the translation system. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-ambassadors/2018-September/001951.html][https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2018-September/090882.html]</li> </ul> <p><strong>Changes later this week</strong></p> <ul> <li><a href='?title=File%3AOcticons-sync.svg'>File:Octicons-sync.svg</a> The <a href='?title=mw%3AMediaWiki_1.32%2Fwmf.24'>new version</a> of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 2 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 3 October. It will be on all wikis from 4 October (<a href='?title=mw%3AMediaWiki_1.32%2FRoadmap'>calendar</a>).</li> </ul> <p><strong>Meetings</strong></p> <ul> <li><a href='?title=File%3AOcticons-sync.svg'>File:Octicons-sync.svg</a> <a href='?title=File%3AOcticons-tools.svg'>File:Octicons-tools.svg</a> You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20181003T15 3 October at 15:00 (UTC)]. See <a href='?title=mw%3ATechnical_Advice_IRC_Meeting'>how to join</a>.</li> <li>You can join the meeting with the Wikimedia Foundation Search Platform team. The meeting will be on [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20181003T15 3 October at 15:00 UTC]. See <a href='?title=m%3AIRC_office_hours%23Upcoming_office_hours'>how to join</a> if you want to know how the search function works or have questions.</li> </ul> <p><strong>Future changes</strong></p> <ul> <li>Because of a data centre test you will be able to read but not edit the wikis for up to an hour on 10 October. This will start at [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=14&min=00&sec=0&day=10&month=10&year=2018 14:00 (UTC)]. You might lose edits if you try to save during this time. The time when you can't edit might be shorter than an hour. <a href='?title=m%3ASpecial%3AMyLanguage%2FTech%2FServer_switch_2018_2'>You can read more about this</a>.</li> </ul> <p><strong><em><a href='?title=m%3ASpecial%3AMyLanguage%2FTech%2FNews'>Tech news</a></strong> prepared by <a href='?title=m%3ASpecial%3AMyLanguage%2FTech%2FNews%2FWriters'>Tech News writers</a> and posted by <a href='?title=m%3ASpecial%3AMyLanguage%2FUser%3AMediaWiki_message_delivery'>bot</a> • <a href='?title=m%3ASpecial%3AMyLanguage%2FTech%2FNews%23contribute'>Contribute</a> • <a href='?title=m%3ASpecial%3AMyLanguage%2FTech%2FNews%2F2018%2F40'>Translate</a> • <a href='?title=m%3ATech'>Get help</a> • <a href='?title=m%3ATalk%3ATech%2FNews'>Give feedback</a> • <a href='?title=m%3AGlobal_message_delivery%2FTargets%2FTech_ambassadors'>Subscribe or unsubscribe</a>.</em></p> <p></div></div> <section end="technews-2018-W40"/> 17:34, 1 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p><!-- Message sent by User:Johan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=18433392 --></p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--undreds-of-artilces-now-have-duplicate-reference-name-errors'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Hundreds of artilces now have duplicate reference name errors</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>{{tracked|T205803}}</p> <p>I've been working through <a href='?title=%3ACategory%3APages_with_duplicate_reference_names'>:Category:Pages with duplicate reference names</a> to try to eliminate duplicate reference name errors from the corpus. Over the last couple of days, I've noticed a large increase in the number of articles with duplicate reference name errors. I could use some help in understanding why so many articles are newly included in this category. Two groups of articles seem to have appeared. One comes from {{tl|Inflation/fn}} invocations, and another from using {{tl|Certification Table Entry}} for the "Finland" region.</p> <p>These problems affect more than 500 articles in total. I've asked after the problems at <a href='?title=Template_talk%3ACertification_Table_Entry'>Template talk:Certification Table Entry</a> and <a href='?title=Template_talk%3AInflation%2Ffn'>Template talk:Inflation/fn</a>. I'm asking here to see if I can get some help in diagnosing and maybe fixing the problem. Thanks :) -- <a href='?title=User%3AMikeblas'>Mikeblas</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AMikeblas'>talk</a>) 14:49, 30 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:I have no solution because I think that the problem lies with MediaWiki and how it handles TemplateStyles as stripmarkers, the sequence of when duplicate-ref-different-text <u>errors are detected/flagged</u> and when stripmarkers are replaced with content. I explained my belief at <a href='?title=Template_talk%3AInflation%2Ffn%23duplicate_reference_definitions'>Template talk:Inflation/fn#duplicate reference definitions</a>.</p> <p>:—<a href='?title=User%3ATrappist_the_monk'>Trappist the monk</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATrappist_the_monk'>talk</a>) 15:10, 30 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:: Just for the record, the cause in {{tl|Certification Table Entry}} was {{tl|certification cite ref}} which is aimed at creating identical references, which was the source of the whole issue, as pointed out in {{Phab|T205803}} . --<a href='?title=User%3AMuhandes'>Muhandes</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AMuhandes'>talk</a>) 18:16, 1 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--o-longer-allowed-to-load-normal-pages-as-avascript'><h2 class='section-toggle'>No longer allowed to load normal pages as Javascript</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>This is the kind of thing that shouldn't be a problem for anyone, but just in case: If you've been reading normal pages with <code>?action=raw&ctype=text/javascript</code> in the URL, it's not going to work any longer. You'll get an error message that says "Forbidden ⧼unprotected-js⧽" instead.</p> <p>It will still work for Javascript pages (and a few other cases). <a href='?title=User%3AWhatamidoing_%28WMF%29'>Whatamidoing (WMF)</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AWhatamidoing_%28WMF%29'>talk</a>) 16:44, 28 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:{{u|Whatamidoing (WMF)}}, this breaks gadget "sandboxes" (e.g. <a href='?title=MediaWiki_talk%3AGadget-popups.js%2Fsandbox'>MediaWiki talk:Gadget-popups.js/sandbox</a>) that users were using to collaborate on "demo" versions of gadgets before they went live. What is the current recommended way to accomplish this? <a href='?title=User%3AEnterprisey'>Enterprisey</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AEnterprisey'>talk!</a>) 22:30, 28 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::{{re|Enterprisey}} can you elaborate on this? That page is still in js format and can be edited withe js editor, how were you loading it exactly and where is it failing now? — <a href='?title=User%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> ^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a>} 10:36, 29 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::I am loading it with an importScript call to 'MediaWiki talk:Gadget-popups.js/sandbox', from my common.js, and I get a console message saying "Loading failed for the <script> with source “https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki_talk:Gadget-popups.js/sandbox&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript”.". Navigating directly to that source URL shows the error message Whatamidoing mentioned above. <a href='?title=User%3AEnterprisey'>Enterprisey</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AEnterprisey'>talk!</a>) 23:38, 29 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::Pinging <a href='?title=User%3ABWolff_%28WMF%29'>User:BWolff (WMF)</a> for help with alternatives. <a href='?title=User%3AWhatamidoing_%28WMF%29'>Whatamidoing (WMF)</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AWhatamidoing_%28WMF%29'>talk</a>) 19:23, 1 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::That's a use case I wasn't aware of. However I don't think it is something that should be allowed - that page is open to editing by anyone (even anons) and is being loaded in <a href='?title=User%3Aenterprisey%2Fcommon.js'>User:enterprisey/common.js</a>. A malicious person could insert code into that page to take over your account (across all wikimedia wikis). From there they could notice you have interface-admin rights on test.wikipedia.org and use that to take over other accounts and eventually gain admin rights (or higher) over here. For the security of everyone's accounts we really need to make sure that only trusted people can edit js of other trusted people. <a href='?title=User%3ABWolff_%28WMF%29'>BWolff (WMF)</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ABWolff_%28WMF%29'>talk</a>) 22:35, 1 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::Fair point, agreed. <a href='?title=User%3AEnterprisey'>Enterprisey</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AEnterprisey'>talk!</a>) 00:33, 2 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--echnical-dvice-eeting'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Technical Advice IRC Meeting</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p><a href='?title=File%3ATechnical_Advice_IRC_Meeting_Logoat.svg'>right</a></p> <p>We'd like to invite you to the <a href='?title=mw%3ATechnical_Advice_IRC_Meeting'>weekly Technical Advice IRC meeting</a>. The Technical Advice IRC Meeting is a weekly support event for volunteer developers. Every Wednesday, two full-time developers are available to help you with all your questions about Mediawiki, gadgets, tools and more! This can be anything from "how to get started" over "who would be the best contact for X" to specific questions on your project.</p> <p>The Technical Advice IRC meeting is every <strong>Wednesday 3-4 pm UTC</strong> as well as on every <strong>first Wednesday of the month 11-12 pm UTC</strong>.</p> <p>If you know already what you would like to discuss or ask, please add your topic to [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting the page of the next meeting]. Cheers, -- <a href='?title=User%3AMichael_Sch%C3%B6nitzer_%28WMDE%29'>Michael Schönitzer (WMDE)</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AMichael_Sch%C3%B6nitzer_%28WMDE%29'>talk</a>) 16:11, 2 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--y-team-is-hiring'><h2 class='section-toggle'>My team is hiring</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>If you are interested in talking to communities, then please see the new job posting at https://boards.greenhouse.io/wikimedia/jobs/1380820</p> <p>In the past, I've had a pretty clear idea of what the first assignment would be. This time, I don't know. I can tell you in general that there is a focus on mobile users and that we are always (always always always) looking for someone who speaks English as a second (or third) language rather than mostly monolingual folks (like me), but beyond that, I don't have a lot of "inside advice" to give you.</p> <p>For those who are already looking at the details: If you meet *almost* all of the official requirements, then it's okay to apply anyway. My team is always looking for the right person overall, and if you are a strong candidate in some areas but not quite in one or two, then please give us a chance to consider you anyway. I strongly recommend that all Wikipedians include their usernames in all job applications.</p> <p>Finally, when it comes to hiring, the Wikimedia Foundation is the slowest organization I've ever worked for. The goal is to have this new person hired before January 2019. <a href='?title=Iff'>Iff</a> they manage to hire on schedule, then the new staff member would probably get a free trip to San Francisco in mid-January. <a href='?title=User%3AWhatamidoing_%28WMF%29'>Whatamidoing (WMF)</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AWhatamidoing_%28WMF%29'>talk</a>) 17:03, 2 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:</p> <p>:(Speaking as someone on the opposite side of the world from the WMF so with no horse in this race) I know it's not as uncommon in the US as it is in the rest of the world, but you (plural) do realise that to pretty much everyone not in the US, a job ad with no indication of the pay scale is probably the single biggest red flag (other than "subject of widely publicised lawsuit from current employees") when it comes to "potential employer to avoid"? Aside from all the ethical and legal stuff around discrimination (since not stating the salary is typically a sign the employer is going to ask the "what is your current salary?" question), it means anyone who thinks the job looks interesting has no way of judging whether it's worth their while to apply or whether they'd be taking a huge pay cut. [https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Wikimedia-Foundation-Salaries-E38331_P2.htm It's not like your pay scales are some kind of deeply-held trade secret]. ‑ <a href='?title=User%3AIridescent'>Iridescent</a> 18:08, 2 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::It's not just "not uncommon", I'd say it's the default MO. Part of our issue of real US wages not increasing since the 80s, no doubt.... --<a href='?title=User%3AIzno'>Izno</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AIzno'>talk</a>) 19:02, 2 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::</p> <p>:::{{bcc|Whatamidoing (WMF)}}In fact, the more I look at this the more questionable it appears. Where is this job based—are you looking for people around the world to broaden your geographical spread, or will the hiree be expected to relocate to SF? If you <em>are</em> looking for people outside the US, why are you making such a big deal of {{tq|Fully paid medical, dental and vision coverage}}, and will non-US people get an increased wage in recognition of the fact they won't need this? How many hours is the job—is this a couple-of-hours-a-week part time position or a 60-hour work-till-you-drop week? Does "Please sign in to apply with LinkedIn" mean that anyone with a potential interest in the job is expected to join LinkedIn—part of a particularly voracious multinational with the ethics of a sewer rat, whose ethos is pretty much diametrically opposite to that of Wikimedia—or is this just an option for those who want it? Is this job as part of a team with the support networks and responsibilities that entails, or an at-arms-length person largely operating alone? What sort of signal do you think it sends that an advert for an organisation that's purportedly all about education contains day-one-basics howlers like {{tq|in the country with which you reside}}? What specific qualifications and experience are you looking for—going strictly by your 'requirements' section, <em>I'm</em> your perfect employee, yet I somehow doubt you want me. ‑ <a href='?title=User%3AIridescent'>Iridescent</a> 20:21, 2 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::As far as I can see from that interface, LinkedIn login is optional, it just allows you to use LI to fill in some of the information in that form. <a href='?title=User%3AMaxSem'>Max Semenik</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AMaxSem'>talk</a>) 20:52, 2 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::{{ec}} Quick answers:</p> <p>::::* The link says "Remote" at the top, which indicates that relocation to SF is not expected. Non-SF but still in the US is still remote.</p> <p>::::* Full time is 40 hours per week, and in my team, 40 means 40, not 60. It is possible to negotiate fewer hours (I did), but the current intention is full time.</p> <p>::::* Pay depends upon your location (as well as education, experience, etc.). People who are located in a high-cost market (e.g., London or Hong Kong) will get paid somewhat more than people who are located in lower-cost markets (e.g., Johannesburg or Mumbai).</p> <p>::::* I understand that, in California, it has been illegal to ask about previous pay since 2017. That was also not a question asked when I was hired (five years and two managers ago) or at any interview I have attended since then.</p> <p>::::* Benefits depend upon your country. Non-US people get non-US benefits. As an example, if you live in a country with a taxpayer-funded universal healthcare system, then you get your paycheck and they pay taxes into the national healthcare system. If you live in a country with private healthcare, then you get your paycheck and health insurance (just not the particular plan that's available to residents of California). At least as of two years ago (the last time I checked), independent contractors are normally paid 15% more than an employee would be, to offset the loss of all benefits.</p> <p>::::* I don't actually know whether using LinkedIn is necessary, but I doubt it. It looks like you can skip the "apply with LinkedIn" button and just fill in the form manually.</p> <p>::::* You'd be joining my team (which is awesome – best in the WMF, AFAICT). <a href='?title=User%3AIridescent'>Iridescent</a>, I always want you on my team, or at least on my side. ;-)</p> <p>::::BTW, if anyone wants to see other positions that are open, you can find the list at https://wikimediafoundation.org/about/jobs/ <a href='?title=User%3AWhatamidoing_%28WMF%29'>Whatamidoing (WMF)</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AWhatamidoing_%28WMF%29'>talk</a>) 21:01, 2 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--ew-brief-nterface-dmin-f-regarding-allowing-non-admin-access'><h2 class='section-toggle'>New brief Interface Admin RfC regarding allowing non-admin access</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>Hi guys!! With the policy RfC now closed, I'm starting a brief 7 day straw poll on whether or not to let non-admins request access to interface-admin. All comments are welcome. Refer to <a href='?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AInterface_administrators%23Allow_non-admins_to_request_access%3F'>Wikipedia_talk:Interface_administrators#Allow_non-admins_to_request_access?</a> to discuss.—<a href='?title=User%3ACyberpower678'><strong><span style="color:darkgrey;font-family:monospace">CYBERPOWER</span></strong></a> <span style="font-family:Rockwell">(<a href='?title=User_talk%3ACyberpower678'><span style="color:olive">Chat</span></a>)</span> 23:18, 2 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--articles-breaking-the-post-expand-include-size-limit'><h2 class='section-toggle'>TV articles breaking the post-expand include size limit</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>I was hoping to get some outside input into a problem that is becoming more common with TV articles, i.e. that of "List of episodes" articles breaking the post-expand include size limit. This appears to have been first noticed at <a href='?title=List_of_The_Simpsons_episodes'>List of The Simpsons episodes</a> in March 2014 (see <a href='?title=Talk%3AList_of_The_Simpsons_episodes%2FArchive_2%23Article_needs_to_be_split_or_condensed_somehow'>this discussion</a>) but has since spread to more articles. For background, TV programs with multiple seasons typically have a "List of episodes" (LoE) article linked from {{tl|Infobox television}} in the main TV program article. The LoE page typically includes a lede, series overview table, lists of episodes for each season, references, maybe a navbox and categories. Once that page becomes too large, or if substantial content for a season is available, a season article (e.g. <a href='?title=The_Simpsons_%28season_1%29'>The Simpsons (season 1)</a> is created for each season. Within the season article an episode table, made from {{tl|episode table}} and several instances of {{tl|episode list}} (one for each episode), are transcluded to the LoE page where episode summaries are stripped out leaving a bare episode table. However, with some series now having upwards of 30 seasons, this is causing the LoE page to break the post-expand include size limit.</p> <p>At <a href='?title=List_of_The_Simpsons_episodes'>List of The Simpsons episodes</a> this happened before season 25 started airing.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_The_Simpsons_episodes&diff=prev&oldid=566753645] After two years of trying various fixes, {{u|Wbm1058}} implemented what I believe is a rather good resolution. He created <a href='?title=List_of_The_Simpsons_episodes%2A'>List of The Simpsons episodes*</a> (the "*" was chosen to indicate that the page wasn't a separate page per se) as a (for want of a better word) cache page and moved several of the transcluded seasons into that. The lede, series overview table, notes, references, external links, navboxes and categories were all transcluded to their correct spots in the article using <a href='?title=Help%3ALabeled_section_transclusion'>labeled section transclusion</a> and links in the TOC and series overview were edited so that, regardless of whether a reader was looking at <a href='?title=List_of_The_Simpsons_episodes'>List of The Simpsons episodes</a> or <a href='?title=List_of_The_Simpsons_episodes%2A'>List of The Simpsons episodes*</a>, clicking a link would result in the reader being directed to the correct spot in the correct article. I later duplicated this effort with <a href='?title=List_of_Casualty_episodes'>List of Casualty episodes</a> when it broke the post-expand include size limit. Since then, other editors have used the same process at other articles with no problems in the past 2.5+ years. However, at <a href='?title=List_of_The_Simpsons_episodes%2A'>List of The Simpsons episodes*</a> exception was taken to the asterisk in the title and it was moved to <a href='?title=List_of_The_Simpsons_episodes_%28seasons_1%E2%80%9320%29'>List of The Simpsons episodes (seasons 1–20)</a>. This alone was enough to break the limit again,[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AList_of_The_Simpsons_episodes_%28seasons_1%E2%80%9320%29&type=revision&diff=718057312&oldid=718023818] because of the way that {{tl|episode list}} works. There are now two more RM discussions at <a href='?title=Talk%3AList_of_Casualty_episodes%2A%23Requested_move_30_September_2018'>Talk:List of Casualty episodes*</a> and <a href='?title=Talk%3AList_of_Holby_City_episodes%2A%23Requested_move_30_September_2018'>Talk:List of Holby City episodes*</a> as well as a discussion at <a href='?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ANaming_conventions_%28television%29%23Consistent_naming_for_split-episode_articles'>Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television)</a> which may result in the same problems occurring as happened after the <a href='?title=List_of_The_Simpsons_episodes%2A'>List of The Simpsons episodes*</a> move. There are also some suggestions as to how to "fix" these problems, none of which have been proposed by people familiar with this issue, and some of these are what I will politely call "silly". What I'd appreciate is some input here, including suggestions, with the aim of resolving this problem forever without inconveniencing our readers any more than is necessary. Ideally, I'd like to get back to having just one LoE page for a TV program but I don't know if that's possible. --<a href='?title=User%3AAussieLegend'><strong><span style="color:#008751;">Aussie</span><span style="color:#fcd116;">Legend</span></strong></a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AAussieLegend%23top'><big>✉</big></a>) 05:03, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:I haven't investigated the details but a quick look at <a href='?title=List_of_The_Simpsons_episodes'>List of The Simpsons episodes</a> makes me think that a lot of text is transcluded multiple times. For example, one section is:</p> <p><pre></p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--eason-21-2009-10-'><h2 class='section-toggle'>=Season 21 (2009–10)=</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>{{main|The Simpsons (season 21)}}</p> <p>{{:The Simpsons (season 21)}}</p> <p></pre></p> <p>:<a href='?title=The_Simpsons_%28season_21%29'>The Simpsons (season 21)</a> has <code><onlyinclude></code> around {{tl|Episode table}} which calls {{tl|Episode list/sublist}} many times, each calling <nowiki>{{#invoke:Episode list|sublist}}</nowiki>. The same text is counted for the template expansion size multiple times. A solution would be a little ugly, namely that the templates would be replaced with #invoke of a module, and the module should do all the work to generate a single episode table. <a href='?title=User%3AJohnuniq'>Johnuniq</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AJohnuniq'>talk</a>) 05:26, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::Invoking the modules directly, just at <a href='?title=The_Simpsons_%28season_21%29'>The Simpsons (season 21)</a> did save 23,216 bytes. --<a href='?title=User%3AAussieLegend'><strong><span style="color:#008751;">Aussie</span><span style="color:#fcd116;">Legend</span></strong></a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AAussieLegend%23top'><big>✉</big></a>) 06:06, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--ategory-count-wrong'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Category count wrong</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p><a href='?title=%3ACategory%3AProposed_deletion'>:Category:Proposed deletion</a> is telling me that there are six pages in the subcategory <a href='?title=%3ACategory%3AExpired_proposed_deletions_of_unsourced_BLPs'>:Category:Expired proposed deletions of unsourced BLPs</a> but the category is currently actually empty. I don't know how long that error has been there, but it is at least a few days when I first noticed it. <a href='?title=User%3ASpinningspark'><b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b></a><a href='?title=User_talk%3ASpinningspark'><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b></a> 11:23, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:See <a href='?title=Wikipedia%3AVillage_pump_%28technical%29%2FArchive_169%23Something_strange_at_Category%3ACandidates_for_speedy_deletion'>Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 169#Something strange at Category:Candidates for speedy deletion</a> and <a href='?title=phab%3AT200402'>phab:T200402</a> for previous reports. <a href='?title=User%3APrimeHunter'>PrimeHunter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APrimeHunter'>talk</a>) 11:27, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--roblem-with-ranslation-from-another-wiki'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Problem with Translation from another wiki</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>Hi,</p> <p>Today, I have translated successfully a part of the German page <a href='?title=%3Ade%3ALiedertafel'>Liedertafel</a> to a French page <a href='?title=%3Afr%3ALiedertafel'>Liedertafel</a>.</p> <p>I also want to put it into a corresponding English page, but I did not succeed, because, when starting the translation from either French to English or from German to English, I got in the translation part a copy of the original French or German text and an error message saying that the translated page already exists. Is it because there is already a disambiguation page <a href='?title=Liedertafel'>Liedertafel</a>?</p> <p>Please let me know how this issue can be solved, --<a href='?title=User%3AMeneerke_bloem'>Réginald alias Meneerke bloem</a> <small>(<a href='?title=User_talk%3AMeneerke_bloem'>To reply</a>)</small> 15:50, 2 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:I get "A page with the title Liedertafel exists in the target wiki. Consider giving the page a different title." I can click the English title and change it. This removes the message. <a href='?title=User%3APrimeHunter'>PrimeHunter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APrimeHunter'>talk</a>) 16:10, 2 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::When I put "<a href='?title=Liedertafel_History'>Liedertafel History</a>" as English title the message is indeed removed. But something remains wrong... when I then click in the right part on "Add translation" I get a copy of the French text instead of a translation of it. See <a href='?title=Special%3AContentTranslation'>translation in progress</a>. Please solve it. --<a href='?title=User%3AMeneerke_bloem'>Réginald alias Meneerke bloem</a> <small>(<a href='?title=User_talk%3AMeneerke_bloem'>To reply</a>)</small> 04:44, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::I thought that we'd turned it off beause of the high proportion of bad content that was created? See <a href='?title=WP%3ACXT'>WP:CXT</a>. --<a href='?title=User%3ARedrose64'><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARedrose64'>talk</a>) 08:00, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::{{u|Redrose64}}, no, just blocked to non-extendedconfirmed users - see <a href='?title=Special%3AAbuseFilter%2F782'>Special:AbuseFilter/782</a> and <a href='?title=WP%3AAN%2FCXT'>WP:AN/CXT</a> <a href='?title=User%3AGalobtter'>Galobtter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AGalobtter'>pingó mió</a>) 08:28, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::::{{u|Redrose64}} and {{u|Galobtter}}, I am an extendedconfirmed user and it does not work... Please solve it. --<a href='?title=User%3AMeneerke_bloem'>Réginald alias Meneerke bloem</a> <small>(<a href='?title=User_talk%3AMeneerke_bloem'>To reply</a>)</small> 15:34, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::::<a href='?title=WP%3ACXT'>WP:CXT</a> says machine translation is disabled. When trying to use the tool, I sometimes see <a href='?title=MediaWiki%3ACx-mt-abuse-warning-text'>MediaWiki:Cx-mt-abuse-warning-text</a>: "Machine translation is disabled in the English Wikipedia (see <a href='?title=WP%3ACXT'>WP:CXT</a>). You need to make sure that the content is accurate and reads naturally in English.". <a href='?title=User%3APrimeHunter'>PrimeHunter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APrimeHunter'>talk</a>) 15:56, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::Automatic machine translation is intentionally disabled per <a href='?title=WP%3ACXT'>WP:CXT</a>. You can turn on the <a href='?title=User%3AEndo999%2FGoogleTrans'>GoogleTrans</a> gadget to assist in translation if you'd like. --<a href='?title=User%3AAhecht'>Ahecht</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AAhecht'><span style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br />PAGE</span></a>) 17:30, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--andling-arning-emplate-include-size-is-too-large-ome-templates-will-not-be-included-'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Handling "Warning: Template include size is too large. Some templates will not be included."</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>So [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Janya_ragas&oldid=862301259 this list article] craps out thanks to 1959 calls to the {{tl|svaraC}} template. Besides splitting the list, what are the other alternatives that I should look into?—<a href='?title=User%3ACpt.a.haddock'>Cpt.a.haddock</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ACpt.a.haddock'>talk</a>) <small>(please <u>ping</u> when replying)</small> 14:06, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:{{u|Cpt.a.haddock}}, I haven't looked too much into it, but what may help is using <code><a href='?title=mw%3AExtension%3AScribunto%2FLua_reference_manual%23mw.loadData'>mw.loadData</a></code> in <a href='?title=Module%3ASvara'>Module:Svara</a> to load <var>svaraDesc</var> and other pieces of data; using <code>mw.loadData</code> means that the piece of data will only be loaded once instead of 1959 times. <a href='?title=User%3AGalobtter'>Galobtter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AGalobtter'>pingó mió</a>) 14:28, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::{{re|Galobtter}} This looks very promising. Thanks!—<a href='?title=User%3ACpt.a.haddock'>Cpt.a.haddock</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ACpt.a.haddock'>talk</a>) <small>(please <u>ping</u> when replying)</small> 14:38, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::I would also recommend against calling {{tl|abbr}}; instead, write what you need into the module directly. The call to <a href='?title=Template%3ABulleted_list'>Template:Bulleted list</a> probably should go as well; instead invoke <a href='?title=Module%3AList'>Module:List</a> directly. --<a href='?title=User%3AIzno'>Izno</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AIzno'>talk</a>) 15:07, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::Given how simple <a href='?title=Template%3AEfn'>Template:Efn</a> is, you might also avoid calling the template there and instead write that in Lua. You'll still need to expandTag for the ref tag, but you can bypass the template itself. --<a href='?title=User%3AIzno'>Izno</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AIzno'>talk</a>) 15:08, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::: Thanks, {{u|Izno}}. The abbr looks like the culprit. Rather than rework it and efn, I've simply added an option to turn abbr off.—<a href='?title=User%3ACpt.a.haddock'>Cpt.a.haddock</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ACpt.a.haddock'>talk</a>) <small>(please <u>ping</u> when replying)</small> 17:57, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::: {{ping|Cpt.a.haddock}} I think the line can be rewritten trivially as <syntaxhighlight lang=lua inline>svaras[key] = '<abbr style="text-decoration: none;" title="' .. svaraDesc[value]['desc'] .. '">' .. value .. '</abbr></syntaxhighlight>, which is why I suggested it. That way you shouldn't need to hide it behind a user option. --<a href='?title=User%3AIzno'>Izno</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AIzno'>talk</a>) 18:05, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::::: {{re|Izno}} That definitely makes a huge difference. But it is not enough for that massive table. While the use of the expanded abbr template only gets to around the "Dheerashankarabharanam" entry (29) in the table, avoiding the template expansion and using the markup directly gets us to around the 66 (Chitrāmbari) mark. Considering that the table could see more entries, it might be best to avoid the abbr altogether. I suspect that this is the only page where it will be used. Cheers.—<a href='?title=User%3ACpt.a.haddock'>Cpt.a.haddock</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ACpt.a.haddock'>talk</a>) <small>(please <u>ping</u> when replying)</small> 18:25, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--edirect-review'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Redirect review</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>{{tracked|T206130}}</p> <p>{{moved from|WP:HD}}</p> <p>Hi. I got a notification regarding a redirect I created via <a href='?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_creation%2FRedirects'>Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Redirects</a> was reviewed. However, the reviewer seemed to be an IP. Can anyone explain what is happening? [https://imgur.com/K6etif6 Here is the screenshot.] <a href='?title=User%3AAbelmoschus_Esculentus'><span style="color:#008000"><strong>—AE</strong></span></a> <strong>(<a href='?title=User_talk%3AAbelmoschus_Esculentus'><span style="color:blue;">talk</span></a> • <a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FAbelmoschus_Esculentus'><span style="color:red">contributions</span></a>)</strong>12:44, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:Hmm? Yeah, that does seem quite strange. Looks like the IP legit [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=United+States+Senate+election+in+Arizona%2C+2020 added a log entry] marking the page as reviewed. I don't believe that is supposed to be technically possible, and I can image that it may have potential for abuse. You may want to raise the issue at <a href='?title=WP%3AVPT'>WP:VPT</a>. <a href='?title=User%3AGreenMeansGo'><span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span></a><a href='?title=User_talk%3AGreenMeansGo%23top'><sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup></a> 12:48, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:: The IP reviewed more than one article: See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/2606:A000:83C5:7200:556E:7DD2:BCA6:57AD. --<a href='?title=User%3AVexations'>Vexations</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AVexations'>talk</a>) 13:17, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <ul> <li><a href='?title=phab%3AT206130'>phab:T206130</a> opened for this issue. — <a href='?title=User%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> ^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a>} 13:36, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</li> <li>:This has been confirmed to be a bug, a patch has been written and is pending deployment. See the phab ticket for more information. — <a href='?title=User%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> ^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a>} 21:28, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</li> </ul></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--ow-to-measure-if-there-is-a-gender-bias-in-the-articles-nominated-for-deletion-and-deleted-'><h2 class='section-toggle'>How to measure if there is a gender bias in the articles nominated for deletion and deleted?</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>Hi all</p> <p>I'd like to try and understand if there is a gender bias in the article deletion process (which could come from the lack of available sources etc), both in nominations and actual deletions. Is there some way that this could be defined automatically with a bot or other automatic process? My assumption is that Wikidata could be helpful in understanding this.</p> <p>Thanks</p> <p><a href='?title=User%3AJohn_Cummings'>John Cummings</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AJohn_Cummings'>talk</a>) 23:22, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:<a href='?title=Special%3ALog%2Fdelete'>The deletion log</a> is public information. Anecdotally, I'd be very surprised if there's any gender bias; more articles on men than women are deleted, but that's because there are generally more men than women who appear to feel the need to write poorly-sourced autobiographies or who form non-notable bands, rather than because Wikipedia has any kind of anti-male agenda. If you want permission to view deleted revisions so you can assess the sourcing on the deleted articles, your only route to that is via <a href='?title=WP%3ARFA'>RFA</a>—that only people who have passed RFA can view deleted content is a requirement made by WMF Legal so unfortunately isn't negotiable. ‑ <a href='?title=User%3AIridescent'>Iridescent</a> 23:35, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::I presume that this relates to the recent publicity around the late appearance of an article on <a href='?title=Donna_Strickland'>Donna Strickland</a>; nothing until she won her Nobel Prize. News media appear to have many misunderstandings of the process which led to the previous rejection of a poor draft article on her ... but if we step back from the details, they do have a good point about the consequences of en.wp's well-documented systemic bias. <a href='?title=WP%3AWOMRED'>WP:WOMRED</a> does great work trying to close the gap, but there is a mountain to climb.</p> <p>::From my own experience, I make an unscientific judgement that there appears to be an unconscious gender bias in multiple respects. For example, it seems to me that biogs on women are more likely to be given leeway when judged against the same criteria on which male biogs are judged; that women are less likely to fall within the massively generous special notabilty guidelines such as <a href='?title=WP%3ANSPORT'>WP:NSPORT</a>; and I have a hunch that biogs of women are less likely to receive an intensive response from the Article Rescue Squadron.</p> <p>::Most of this is probably unconscious, but some such bias is an inevitable consequence of the huge gender imbalance in the pool of editors. It is long overdue for some scholarly research. --<a href='?title=User%3ABrownHairedGirl'><span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span><span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(-3deg)">Haired</span>Girl</a> <small><a href='?title=User_talk%3ABrownHairedGirl'>(talk)</a> • (<a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FBrownHairedGirl'>contribs</a>)</small> 00:06, 4 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::There's a similar discussion at <a href='?title=WT%3AN'>WT:N</a> (well before the Strickland issue) that resulted from the WMF observing that history's documentation is unfortunately biased towards white males, which is something we can't change but can try to fix today. But at the same time, with current living and active people we have to watch for those people to try to use WP in a promotional mode when they really don't have any notability, and this happens often within academics too. Its the type of gap that Strickland's prior state (before winning the Nobel) fell into - she might possibly have been considered notable given the draft article's state, but it also has signs it was promotional in nature, considering that a previously deleted version of her article was 100% copyvio. There's no clear answer outside of trying to make editors creating new article on any person be as effective as possible in sourcing to show notability, and those reviewing those articles to be less judgemental about edge cases that don't seem to reek of self-promotion. --<a href='?title=User%3AMasem'>M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span></a> (<a href='?title=User_Talk%3AMasem'>t</a>) 00:41, 4 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::One of the difficulties of this is having an 'unbiased' baseline. If Wikipedia has say, a 80%-20% breakdown of male/female biographies, and the AFD nominations are 70%-30% male/female, does that '10%' difference show that women biographies are held to (unfairly) higher standard at AFD, or does that show that female biographies are likelier to be about less notable women and are unfairly common. Or does that show there's a per-field inherent bias (e.g. physics is better covered, thus more men are covered since physics is historically speaking very male-dominated), or does that show there's a per-field writer bias (e.g. people with a physics background are better at writing an article that sticks, so physicists get more coverage, which in turn mean more coverage of men), etc...</p> <p>:::It's not something that's easily answered, but it's something any researchers will have to think about when analyzing data. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;"><a href='?title=User%3AHeadbomb'>Headbomb</a> {<a href='?title=User_talk%3AHeadbomb'>t</a> · <a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FHeadbomb'>c</a> · <a href='?title=WP%3APHYS'>p</a> · <a href='?title=WP%3AWBOOKS'>b</a>}</span> 00:42, 4 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section-watchlist-or-ecent-hanges-showing-too-few-changes-kludge-to-'><h2 class='section-toggle'>watchlist or Recent Changes showing too few changes, kludge to URL</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>Both the watchlist and the Recent Changes when filtered for my watchlist only were today listing too few changes. When set for 500 changes, the watchlist showed 50; when set for 50, it showed 5. Repeatedly changing settings in the on-page controls to less and more, for number of days and number of changes, did not solve the problem. Recent Changes set for watchlist only, 30 days, and 1,000 changes showed 6 days and 56 changes. What did apparently solve it was editing either URL's limit parameter's value from 500 to 5000 or from 1000 to 10000. The edit disappears but still has the desired effect. However, most people won't know to try that. I discovered the problem today; the previous time I logged in was a week ago, the watchlist was okay then, and I probably haven't used Recent Changes in years, if ever. <a href='?title=User%3ANick_Levinson'>Nick Levinson</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ANick_Levinson'>talk</a>) 23:44, 29 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>New info: Essentially the above behavior, in Firefox (62.0 (64-bit) (firefox - 1.0)), is in Chromium (69.0.3497.92 (Developer Build) Fedora Project (64-bit)). (Addition: 23:59, 29 September 2018 (UTC))</p> <p>:Hello <a href='?title=User%3ANick_Levinson'>Nick Levinson</a>, do you have that issue with the following links (they will disable possible conflicts): [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?safemode=1&hidebots=1&hidecategorization=1&hideWikibase=1&limit=50&days=7&damaging__likelybad_color=c4&damaging__verylikelybad_color=c5&urlversion=2 RC] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Watchlist?safemode=1&hidepreviousrevisions=1&hidecategorization=1&hideWikibase=1&limit=250&days=3&damaging__likelybad_color=c4&damaging__verylikelybad_color=c5&urlversion=2 watchlist]? Thanks, <a href='?title=User%3ATrizek_%28WMF%29'>Trizek (WMF)</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATrizek_%28WMF%29'>talk</a>) 16:06, 2 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::Here are the test results, <a href='?title=User%3ATrizek_%28WMF%29'>Trizek (WMF)</a>:</p> <p>::For an up-to-date baseline a few minutes before beginning the test on Oct. 2, I logged in and reran access to my watchlist through the top navbar and Recent Changes through the left navbar and got essentially the old problem. For the watchlist, I got 248 or more (but probably only a few more) changes over 9 days, not 1,000 or 30, but then I edited the URL and got what I should have gotten the first time. For Recent Changes, virtually the same things happened, including that editing the URL fixed it; the main difference was in getting 252 changes, not 248. Then I logged out, quit the browser (Firefox (not updated since my opening post)), restarted the same browser, and logged into Wikipedia.</p> <p>::I followed your RC link. The Recent Changes page displayed, ready for 50 changes, 7 days, and default filters. The resulting list was okay, yielding 50 changes all in one day. Then I changed to 1,000 changes and 7 days, which yielded "[d]ue to a technical error, no results could be loaded. Please try refreshing the page." I refreshed, using the browser button to refresh, and the resulting list was okay. Then I deleted all of the filters and added only the filter for On Watchlist. The result was okay. But then I changed to 30 days (keeping to 1,000 changes) and that yielded only 252 changes for 9 days. Then I edited the URL (1000 to 10000) and then the results were okay.</p> <p>::I followed your Watchlist link. The default of 250 changes and 3 days was okay. Then setting to 30 days was okay. Then setting to 1000 changes was okay. But then I removed all filters and that failed, yielding only 252 changes and 9 days. Then I edited the URL (1000 to 10000) and the result was okay.</p> <p>::Today, I accessed my watchlist. It's set to 1,000 changes and 30 days (I forgot what filters were in place), but it listed only 296 changes over only 10 days. Later today, I accessed it again, got 320 changes, edited the URL, saw filters were in place, took all filters out, and got >30 days.</p> <p>::However, today's earlier failed access showed that the earliest date was September 24. That's what it was yesterday, too, when I didn't fix it. So, did something happen at your servers on September 24 to cause this problem? My earliest change was time-stamped 15:07 (3:07p), I think in my local time zone (New York EDT), so the problem may have happened on that day but before that time.</p> <p>::I originally counted changes either by eyeballing if not many or else by using Find for "(diff | hist)" (without quotation marks) and, lately, " log)" (without quotation marks but with a leading space). Firefox displayed how many matches it found. Doing "(diff | hist)" alone meant I probably missed a few but not many.</p> <p>::I treat changes and days as either-or, i.e., if either condition is satisfied then the results are okay as both conditions do not have to be satisfied.</p> <p>::I don't know what conflicts might apply. My Watchlist defaults of 1,000 changes and 30 days date from the introduction of the current watchlist design (the design storing my preferences of 1,000 and 30 so I no longer have to opt for 30 every time I come to the watchlist), but the above problem is only a few days old, not more than a week older than that. Since I edited on September 18 and opened this thread on Sep. 29 and, almost certainly, saw the watchlist on those days, the fault must have come in between those dates.</p> <p>::<a href='?title=User%3ANick_Levinson'>Nick Levinson</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ANick_Levinson'>talk</a>) 20:08, 3 October 2018 (UTC) (Corrected & clarified: 20:25, 3 October 2018 (UTC))</p> <p>:::Thank you for that details report, <a href='?title=User%3ANick_Levinson'>Nick Levinson</a>. We are investigating. <a href='?title=User%3ATrizek_%28WMF%29'>Trizek (WMF)</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATrizek_%28WMF%29'>talk</a>) 15:25, 4 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--udio-recording-software'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Audio recording software</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>Anybody have any recommendations for a (preferably) free open source software for recording/editing spoken audio recordings of articles? I would have posted this at WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia, but it seems pretty dagum dead there. <a href='?title=User%3AGreenMeansGo'><span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span></a><a href='?title=User_talk%3AGreenMeansGo%23top'><sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup></a> 18:57, 18 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:Audacity is quite popular lately and simple to use (it's not necessarily for voice recordings only, however). —<a href='?title=User%3APaleoNeonate'><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#44a;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Paleo</span></a><a href='?title=User_talk%3APaleoNeonate'><span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#272;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Neonate</span></a> – 19:37, 18 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::If I'm not mistaken I think I used Audacity some ten-odd years ago in college, but I don't remember it having any kind of editing functionality. My intuition was to do two takes and splice the paragraphs together for which ever was the better take. But the last time I messed with audio editing I was (again) in college, and I don't own any fancy pants software anymore. <a href='?title=User%3AGreenMeansGo'><span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span></a><a href='?title=User_talk%3AGreenMeansGo%23top'><sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup></a> 19:41, 18 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::Audacity does allow editing audio, and it should allow doing what you want re splicing pretty easily <a href='?title=User%3AGalobtter'>Galobtter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AGalobtter'>pingó mió</a>) 21:47, 18 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::{{ping|GreenMeansGo}}. Second Audacity. Standard tool used by the <a href='?title=LibriVox'>LibriVox</a> community. A [https://wiki.librivox.org/index.php?title=Audacity_1-2-3 helpful page]. -- <a href='?title=User%3AGreenC'><span style="color: #006A4E;"><strong>Green</strong></span></a><a href='?title=User_talk%3AGreenC'><span style="color: #093;"><strong>C</strong></span></a> 13:34, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::I downloaded it last night and did a couple of test runs. But I'm going to have to dig through the stacks of boxes that are the remnants of my music room to find one of my old USB mics. The mic on my laptop bottoms out on any subtle inflection and basically records nothing. <a href='?title=User%3AGreenMeansGo'><span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span></a><a href='?title=User_talk%3AGreenMeansGo%23top'><sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup></a> 13:41, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:I'd also recommend Audacity. I use it several times a month, at least. As for the mic, if you have to buy one I'd recommend a [https://www.amazon.com/Blue-Yeti-USB-Microphone-Silver/dp/B002VA464S Blue Yet] as a relatively cheap mic that's very popular with youtubers. Don't forget the pop filter. I have one and while it's not <em>quite</em> studio quality, it's close enough to produce professional-sounding audio with the right post-processing. I also have a bunch of tips for processing vocal audio, if you're interested. Let me know at my talk page. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;"><a href='?title=User%3AMPants_at_work'><span style="color:green;"><strong>ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants</strong></span></a> <a href='?title=User_talk%3AMPants_at_work'><small>Tell me all about it.</small></a></span> 14:23, 19 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::Take a look at Ocenaudio. It's not open source but it's free. [http://www.ocenaudio.com/] <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href='?title=Wikipedia%3ASignatures'>unsigned</a> comment added by <a href='?title=User%3AMbrou'>Mbrou</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AMbrou%23top'>talk</a> • <a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FMbrou'>contribs</a>) 16:46, 27 September 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--></p> <p>:Another option, if you don't mind using <a href='?title=Command-line_interface'>command lines</a>, is <a href='?title=SoX'>SoX</a>. It is cross-platform, but is pretty standard in Linux. The upside is that it works very well if you know how to use it; the downside is that it is a bit arcane to learn how to use, especially since there is no <a href='?title=GUI'>GUI</a>. Other than SoX, and especially if a GUI is a must, I concur with the <a href='?title=Audacity_%28audio_editor%29'>Audacity</a> recommendations. —<a href='?title=User%3AN%C3%B8kkenbuer'>Nøkkenbuer</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AN%C3%B8kkenbuer'>talk</a> • <a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FN%C3%B8kkenbuer'>contribs</a>) 16:30, 4 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--evision-deleted-history-of-article'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Revision deleted history of article</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>{{tracked|T205578|resolved}}</p> <p>I'm trying to look at the rev del'd history of <a href='?title=Space_fountain'>Space fountain</a>. I'm seeing the usual message saying "As an administrator, you can still view this revision if you wish to proceed" with a link on the "view this revision" bit, but when I click on it I don't get the revision. All I get is another similar message telling me I can view it, but without the link. Any ideas what's going on here? Doesn't seem to be an office action as far as I can tell from [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Space+fountain the log]. <a href='?title=User%3ASpinningspark'><b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b></a><a href='?title=User_talk%3ASpinningspark'><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b></a> 15:08, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</p> <ul> <li>Had the same problem the other day - deleted revisions seem to come up blank (it confused an oversighter as well). To view it, click on "view this revision", then "edit this page", then "Show preview". I have no idea what change prompted this; I presume it's a bug. <a href='?title=User_talk%3ABlack_Kite'>Black Kite (talk)</a> 15:15, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</li> <li>Seems to be a bug, we should get a phab ticket open, I'll try to later if no one else does. Note, if you compare versions (view this diff) it appears to work fine as well. — <a href='?title=User%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> ^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a>} 15:29, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</li> <li>I filed <a href='?title=phab%3AT205578'>phab:T205578</a>. <a href='?title=User%3AAnomie'>Anomie</a><a href='?title=User_talk%3AAnomie'>⚔</a> 20:23, 26 September 2018 (UTC)</li> <li>Thank you, I made a note within <a href='?title=MediaWiki%3ARev-deleted-text-unhide'>MediaWiki:Rev-deleted-text-unhide</a> in case any admins are wondering what is going on. — <a href='?title=User%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> ^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a>} 14:43, 29 September 2018 (UTC)</li> </ul> <ul> <li>Note, this is expected to be fixed on <a href='?title=WP%3AITSTHURSDAY'>WP:ITSTHURSDAY</a>. — <a href='?title=User%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> ^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a>} 01:43, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</li> <li>:{{re|Spinningspark}} this is now fixed, thanks for letting us know! — <a href='?title=User%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> ^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a>} 22:46, 4 October 2018 (UTC)</li> </ul></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--nicode-help-with-macrons-and-dots'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Unicode help with macrons and dots</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p><a href='?title=Module%3ASvara%2Fresolve'>This module</a> uses macrons and dots to denote pitch and octave. There are cases where I need to use both diacritics on the same character and I'm unable to find clean solutions for some instances. For example, <code>'̱̱Ṙ'</code> looks quite legible. However, '̱Ṛ', <code>'̱G̣'</code>, <code>'̄Ṃ'</code>, <code>'̄Ṁ'</code>, etc. do not. Are there alternate diacritics that can be used? Something which is at least as legible as this precomposed character, <code>Ȱ</code> (although the dot should be above the macron)? Thanks.—<a href='?title=User%3ACpt.a.haddock'>Cpt.a.haddock</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ACpt.a.haddock'>talk</a>) <small>(please <u>ping</u> when replying)</small> 14:48, 4 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>: {{re|Cpt.a.haddock}} The examples you give have the combining marks places <em>before</em> the letter and I think that causes the problem (effectively, the combining mark is applies to the apostrophe before the letter). They should be <em>after</em> the letter (<a href='?title=Combining_character'>"In Unicode, diacritics are always added after the main character"</a>). Here are the examples you give, corrected: <code>'Ṟ̣'</code>, <code>'G̱̣'</code>, <code>'Ṃ̄'</code>, <code>'M̄̇'</code> (although I'm not sure what is the intended order of the combining marks here). <a href='?title=User%3AMatma_Rex'>Matma Rex</a> <small><a href='?title=User_talk%3AMatma_Rex'>talk</a></small> 15:47, 4 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:: {{re|Matma Rex}} Thank you. Do the characters you've typed render correctly in your browser? They (2 of the 4) don't in mine (Chrome, FF). I'm seeing the macrons and dots below/above the subsequent single quote. Also, the ideal order is for the dots to be below the "macron below" and above the "macron above".—<a href='?title=User%3ACpt.a.haddock'>Cpt.a.haddock</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ACpt.a.haddock'>talk</a>) <small>(please <u>ping</u> when replying)</small> 16:33, 4 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::: {{re|Cpt.a.haddock}} Yes, they render fine. The monospace font may be less well supported, so let's try them in the normal font too. Here they are again for side-by-side comparison:</p> <p><table class="wiki-table"><tr><td>class=wikitable</p> <p>! Incorrect</p> <p>| ̱Ṛ ̱G̣ ̄Ṃ ̄Ṁ</p> <p>| <code>̱Ṛ ̱G̣ ̄Ṃ ̄Ṁ</code></td></tr><tr><th>Correct</p> <p>| Ṟ̣ G̱̣ Ṃ̄ M̄̇</p> <p>| <code>Ṟ̣ G̱̣ Ṃ̄ M̄̇</code></th></tr></table></p> <p>::: This table renders like this on my machine (Windows 10, Chromium 69): https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F26308540 and at 300% zoom: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F26308537 <a href='?title=User%3AMatma_Rex'>Matma Rex</a> <small><a href='?title=User_talk%3AMatma_Rex'>talk</a></small> 17:18, 4 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::: Firefox 63 has trouble with the monospace font: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F26308570 <a href='?title=User%3AMatma_Rex'>Matma Rex</a> <small><a href='?title=User_talk%3AMatma_Rex'>talk</a></small> 17:20, 4 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::: {{re|Matma Rex}} Thank you. I see that I've been misled by the monospace code font. But I'm afraid that your correct version (which is a great improvement) doesn't render on Chrome/Linux and FF/Linux exactly as in your images. This is what I see at [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F26309287 100%] and [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/F26309302 300%] zoom. What do you recommend be done here? Could other editors please let me know how these characters render in their browsers + OS? Thanks.—<a href='?title=User%3ACpt.a.haddock'>Cpt.a.haddock</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ACpt.a.haddock'>talk</a>) <small>(please <u>ping</u> when replying)</small> 19:03, 4 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::::Opera 36. I get little squares that float above or below by the height of one text line, as a result of which they obscure unrelated characters on adjacent lines. This makes text difficult to read, and is consequently an accessibility issue. --<a href='?title=User%3ARedrose64'><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARedrose64'>talk</a>) 22:32, 4 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::::: {{re|Redrose64}} Thank you. It looks as good as Matma Rex's screenshots on Opera 55/Windows 7. It looks virtually identical to my Chrome/Linux screenshots on Opera 56/Linux.—<a href='?title=User%3ACpt.a.haddock'>Cpt.a.haddock</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ACpt.a.haddock'>talk</a>) <small>(please <u>ping</u> when replying)</small> 06:45, 5 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--inks-to-arry-otter-wiki'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Links to Harry Potter wiki</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>Can some one please fix the links to the Harry Potter wiki? They're handled usinf <a href='?title=Template%3AHarryPotterWiki'>Template:HarryPotterWiki</a>. <a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2F89.139.69.176'>89.139.69.176</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3A89.139.69.176'>talk</a>) 20:12, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:What's wrong with them? <a href='?title=User%3ASomeguy1221'>Someguy1221</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ASomeguy1221'>talk</a>) 20:14, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::They're supposed to link to wikia's Harry Potter wiki; they don't. For example, the link on <a href='?title=Hermione_Granger'>Hermione Granger</a> points to http://www.wikia.com/wiki/c:harrypotter:Hermione_Granger in stead of http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Hermione_Granger where it should. <a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2F89.139.69.176'>89.139.69.176</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3A89.139.69.176'>talk</a>) 19:20, 4 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::Works for me. Perhaps something was fixed. <a href='?title=User%3AKilliondude'>Killiondude</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AKilliondude'>talk</a>) 19:24, 4 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::: Wikia has it set up so that you will be redirected to the right place. No change is needed. --<a href='?title=User%3AIzno'>Izno</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AIzno'>talk</a>) 19:33, 4 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::Yep. This is how it has worked for at least 10 years. <a href='?title=User%3ASomeguy1221'>Someguy1221</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ASomeguy1221'>talk</a>) 02:29, 5 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::On my smart phone, it doesn't work - I get a 404 page. <a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2F89.139.69.176'>89.139.69.176</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3A89.139.69.176'>talk</a>) 12:13, 5 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::::It works for me in Safari on an iPad. What is your smartphone? Are you using the builtin browser or another app? <a href='?title=User%3APrimeHunter'>PrimeHunter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APrimeHunter'>talk</a>) 12:26, 5 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::::I tried http://www.redirect-checker.org/index.php on http://www.wikia.com/wiki/c:harrypotter:Hermione_Granger with many different options in the "Set User-Agent" field. iPad gave a working redirect <a href='?title=301_Moved_Permanently'>301 Moved Permanently</a> but many other mobile devices reported <a href='?title=404_Not_Found'>404 Not Found</a>, e.g. iPhone 5. Can somebody with an iPhone confirm it is broken with the default user agent? <a href='?title=User%3APrimeHunter'>PrimeHunter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APrimeHunter'>talk</a>) 12:39, 5 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::::::<a href='?title=User%3APrimeHunter'>PrimeHunter</a>, I get a 404 Error on my iPhone using Chrome and Safari, but it's from Wikia itself and not a general browser error. To be more clear, the Wikia/Fandom skin is loading with "Error 404 [new line] Sorry, we can't find the page you are looking for." <a href='?title=User%3AKilliondude'>Killiondude</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AKilliondude'>talk</a>) 15:52, 5 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::::::Thanks. {{tl|HarryPotterWiki}} uses {{tl|Wikia}} which currently makes a url with <code><nowiki>{{fullurl:wikiasite:...}}</nowiki></code>. This uses the entry <code>Wikia http://www.wikia.com/wiki/c:$1</code> in <a href='?title=%3Ameta%3AInterwiki_map'>:meta:Interwiki map</a>. I haven't found a working replacement for user agent iPhone when $1 contains both wiki name and page name, e.g. when $1 is <code>harrypotter:Hermione_Granger</code>. {{tl|Wikia}} could be recoded to split it into http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Hermione_Granger but I don't know a general solution for the interwiki map. As far as I know, the whole $1 has to be inserted in one position of the url. Are broken redirects on some mobile devices a new problem we can expect Wikia to fix? <a href='?title=User%3APrimeHunter'>PrimeHunter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APrimeHunter'>talk</a>) 16:57, 5 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--emplate-request'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Template request</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>{{moved to|Wikipedia:Requested templates}} <a href='?title=User%3APppery'>{{3x|p}}ery</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APppery'>talk</a>) 14:56, 6 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--nternet-rchive-ot-still-bar-in-titles'><h2 class='section-toggle'>InternetArchiveBot still bar in titles</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>{{tracked|T206128}}</p> <p>The nifty <a href='?title=user%3AInternetArchiveBot'>user:InternetArchiveBot</a> (IABot) is still leaving vertical bars "|" in expanded cite titles (rather than put <nowiki>"{{!}}"</nowiki>) when generating the full {{tl|cite web}} (plus adding retro access-date). Some titles even have a newline+space before the bar "|" so the problem is <em>either</em> newlines or pipe-bars (or both) in generated titles. Otherwise, the generated web-archive links are fantastic to fix dead-url links & IABot does add correct "archivedate=". These bars in titles have been retained in hundreds of pages, when rescuing deadlinks for several months (see numerous pages among: "<a href='?title=%3ACategory%3APages_with_citations_using_unnamed_parameters'>:Category:Pages with citations using unnamed parameters</a>"). Please help fix IABot, because it might be harder than it seems. -<a href='?title=User%3AWikid77'>Wikid77</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AWikid77'>talk</a>) 00:03, 6 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:Have you raised this as an issue at the links on <a href='?title=User_talk%3AInternetArchiveBot'>User talk:InternetArchiveBot</a> before coming here? --<a href='?title=User%3AIzno'>Izno</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AIzno'>talk</a>) 00:41, 6 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::I reported it ({{phab|T206128}}) on October 3 using the recommended phabricator bug-reporting interface. – <a href='?title=User%3AJonesey95'>Jonesey95</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AJonesey95'>talk</a>) 04:06, 6 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::Known bugs previously reported. It's two issues. There are reserved characters in URLs that should be urlencoded (%7C). There are reserved characters in CS1|2 templates that should be HTML encoded (or, using the wiki template shortcuts). -- <a href='?title=User%3AGreenC'><span style="color: #006A4E;"><strong>Green</strong></span></a><a href='?title=User_talk%3AGreenC'><span style="color: #093;"><strong>C</strong></span></a> 15:04, 6 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--ucy-i'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Lucy Li</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>Should the age for "{{Birth date and age|2002|10|1}}" at <a href='?title=Lucy_Li'>Lucy Li</a> not read age 16 instead of 15? Please {{tl|ping}} me when you reply. --<a href='?title=User%3AJax_0677'>Jax 0677</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AJax_0677'>talk</a>) 16:56, 6 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:The page was cached. A <a href='?title=WP%3APURGE'>WP:PURGE</a> took care of it. --<a href='?title=User%3AIzno'>Izno</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AIzno'>talk</a>) 16:58, 6 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--orizontal-scrolling-box-'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Horizontal scrolling box?</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>I want to paste some [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ADeletion_review%2FLog%2F2018_October_5&type=revision&diff=862774279&oldid=862755729 long lines of pre-formatted text]. Is there some way to give the browser a hint that I want these to scroll horizontally rather than be folded? Yeah, I know, I've got several toes over the "semantic vs display markup" line. -- <a href='?title=User%3ARoySmith'>RoySmith</a> <a href='?title=User_Talk%3ARoySmith'>(talk)</a> 16:51, 6 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:{{ping|RoySmith}} [https://www.w3schools.com/cssref/pr_pos_overflow.asp CSS overflow] + direct use of {{tag|pre}} rather than the wikitext version (which uses spaces before each line). --<a href='?title=User%3AIzno'>Izno</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AIzno'>talk</a>) 16:53, 6 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:And you might need to set whitespace: nowrap on the pre as well. --<a href='?title=User%3AIzno'>Izno</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AIzno'>talk</a>) 16:57, 6 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::Thanks. I was kind of hoping, however, for something that didn't require trading in several toes for both feet :-) -- <a href='?title=User%3ARoySmith'>RoySmith</a> <a href='?title=User_Talk%3ARoySmith'>(talk)</a> 17:33, 6 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::{{replyto|RoySmith}} w3schools can be misleading and confusing at the same time. You don't need to mess with style sheets, just remove the space from the start of each line, wrap the block in a <code>pre</code> element and add a <code>style=</code> attribute containing the appropriate declaration: <syntaxhighlight lang=html><pre style="overflow:auto;"></p> <p>12:21, 6 October 2018 RoySmith (talk | contribs | block) restored page Paris Dennard (132 revisions) (Tempundelete for review at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2018 October 5)</p> <p>12:21, 6 October 2018 RoySmith (talk | contribs | block) restored page French-German non-aggression pact (3 revisions) (Tempundelete for review at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2018 October 5)</p> <p>...</p> <p></pre></syntaxhighlight> You don't need to worry about the <code>white-space:</code> property, that's set by the <code>pre</code> element. --<a href='?title=User%3ARedrose64'><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARedrose64'>talk</a>) 20:38, 6 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>Hmmm. Well, I spent a bit of time futzing with this. The end result is I didn't make things any worse than it was before, which I consider a victory when it comes to CSS :-) If anybody wants to poke at it more, be my guest. -- <a href='?title=User%3ARoySmith'>RoySmith</a> <a href='?title=User_Talk%3ARoySmith'>(talk)</a> 21:35, 6 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--xternal-links-in-edit-summaries'><h2 class='section-toggle'>External links in edit summaries</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>Is there something technical precluding edit summaries from correctly formatting external links that are in single square brackets, such as [https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/06/us/politics/kavanaugh-vote-confirmation-process.html this one] and [https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/06/us/politics/kavanaugh-vote-confirmation-process.html]<--this one? If not, I'll be creating a proposal at <a href='?title=WP%3AVPR'>WP:VPR</a>. ―<a href='?title=User%3AMandruss'><span style="color:#775C57;"><strong><em>Mandruss</strong></em></span></a> <a href='?title=User_talk%3AMandruss'><span style="color:#777;">☎</span></a> 00:38, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:Are you asking about making "<nowiki>[http://example.com/whatever click here]</nowiki>" work as a link in an edit summary? I have no idea about the background but allowing clickable links in edit summaries would be a bad idea as it would invite an avalanche of spam that was hard to remove. <a href='?title=User%3AJohnuniq'>Johnuniq</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AJohnuniq'>talk</a>) 01:07, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::Interesting. I've often wished external links worked in edit summaries, so I could include diffs, permalinks, and the like. I hadn't thought of the spam issue. I assume most of the things I wanted to link to as bare URLs are actually accessible as Special: links, if only I put in the effort to find the right incantation :-) -- <a href='?title=User%3ARoySmith'>RoySmith</a> <a href='?title=User_Talk%3ARoySmith'>(talk)</a> 01:30, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::There should be a script available here to turn a bare URL of a diff/permalink into a Special:Diff or permalink. I use a script run locally to do that but I can't make it work when a diff is more than "prev" or "permalink" URLs because I can't see a reliable way to know which of the others has been chosen. <a href='?title=User%3AJohnuniq'>Johnuniq</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AJohnuniq'>talk</a>) 01:53, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::{{replyto|RoySmith}} <a href='?title=Special%3ADiff%2F862839225'>Special:Diff/862839225</a> (for diff-from-previous), <a href='?title=Special%3ADiff%2F862834630%2F862839225'>Special:Diff/862834630/862839225</a> (for comparing two non-consecutive versions), <a href='?title=Special%3APermalink%2F862839225'>Special:Permalink/862839225</a>. All may be piped. --<a href='?title=User%3ARedrose64'><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARedrose64'>talk</a>) 07:47, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--hanging-access-date-attribute-language'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Changing access-date attribute language</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>In the template Template:Cite Web, I would like to know the method by which I can use Malayalam month name for the attribute access-date.<a href='?title=User%3AAdithyak1997'>Adithyak1997</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AAdithyak1997'>talk</a>) 19:11, 6 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:I guess you are referring to the version at the Malayalam Wikipedia. If you have the same templates and modules then <a href='?title=Module%3ACitation%2FCS1%2FConfiguration'>Module:Citation/CS1/Configuration</a> can be translated at <a href='?title=%3Aml%3AModule%3ACitation%2FCS1%2FConfiguration'>:ml:Module:Citation/CS1/Configuration</a>. There is a comment at <code>['local'] =</code> saying "replace these English date names with the local language equivalents". <a href='?title=User%3APrimeHunter'>PrimeHunter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APrimeHunter'>talk</a>) 19:18, 6 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::@<a href='?title=User%3APrimeHunter'>PrimeHunter</a>, Please do read the I S _ V A L I D _ A C C E S S D A T E section in <a href='?title=Module%3ACitation%2FCS1%2FDate_validation'>Module:Citation/CS1/Date validation</a>. I have doubt regarding that.<a href='?title=User%3AAdithyak1997'>Adithyak1997</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AAdithyak1997'>talk</a>) 19:29, 6 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::I didn't code the modules and haven't tried to configure them at other languages but I suggest you just try and see if it works. Maybe the modules are smart enough to first convert month names defined in <a href='?title=%3Aml%3AModule%3ACitation%2FCS1%2FConfiguration'>:ml:Module:Citation/CS1/Configuration</a>. <a href='?title=User%3APrimeHunter'>PrimeHunter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APrimeHunter'>talk</a>) 19:37, 6 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:{{ping|Trappist the monk}} For you ~ --<a href='?title=User%3AIzno'>Izno</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AIzno'>talk</a>) 20:06, 6 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:: The problem was solved but not completely. I have changed as directed by you, the names into malayalam. The current problem is that the date 2013 February 14 is not supported. It supports only 14 February 2013.<a href='?title=User%3AAdithyak1997'>Adithyak1997</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AAdithyak1997'>talk</a>) 20:18, 6 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p><a href='?title=User%3AAdithyak1997'>Adithyak1997</a>: I have tweaked <a href='?title=%3Aml%3A%E0%B4%98%E0%B4%9F%E0%B4%95%E0%B4%82%3ACitation%2FCS1%2FDate_validation'>:ml:ഘടകം:Citation/CS1/Date validation</a> to support YYYY mmmmm DD date formats and also added same to <a href='?title=Module%3ACitation%2FCS1%2FDate_validation%2Fsandbox'>Module:Citation/CS1/Date validation/sandbox</a> though at en.wiki, this format is disabled. Are there any other en.wiki-disallowed formats that should be supported at ml.wiki? Are there en.wiki formats that should not be supported at ml.wiki?</p> <p>—<a href='?title=User%3ATrappist_the_monk'>Trappist the monk</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATrappist_the_monk'>talk</a>) 22:16, 6 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>@<a href='?title=User%3ATrappist_the_monk'>Trappist the monk</a>, now the errors have come down. But the format 2013 ഫെബ്രുവരി 14 is not yet supported. You can check in <a href='?title=https%3A%2F%2Fml.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F%25E0%25B4%25AE%25E0%25B4%25B2%25E0%25B4%25AF%25E0%25B4%25BE%25E0%25B4%25B3%25E0%25B4%259A%25E0%25B4%25B2%25E0%25B4%259A%25E0%25B5%258D%25E0%25B4%259A%25E0%25B4%25BF%25E0%25B4%25A4%25E0%25B5%258D%25E0%25B4%25B0%25E0%25B4%2582_this'>https://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B4%AE%E0%B4%B2%E0%B4%AF%E0%B4%BE%E0%B4%B3%E0%B4%9A%E0%B4%B2%E0%B4%9A%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%9A%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%A4%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%B0%E0%B4%82 this</a> document <a href='?title=User%3AAdithyak1997'>Adithyak1997</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AAdithyak1997'>talk</a>) 08:02, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:The string "ഫെബ്രുവരി" does not occur in the linked page. The page has many "Check date values in: |accessdate=" but those I examined were all for the month string "മേയ്" which does not occur in <a href='?title=%3Aml%3AModule%3ACitation%2FCS1%2FConfiguration'>:ml:Module:Citation/CS1/Configuration</a>. I don't know whether this is about some variation of how to write months in Malayalam but please post real examples when you report issues. <a href='?title=User%3APrimeHunter'>PrimeHunter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APrimeHunter'>talk</a>) 08:40, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>I am sorry. It was a problem caused from my side.I will correct it soon.<a href='?title=User%3AAdithyak1997'>Adithyak1997</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AAdithyak1997'>talk</a>) 08:50, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section-adding-personal-sandbox-link-at-upper-right'><h2 class='section-toggle'>adding personal sandbox link at upper right</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>At en.wiki I have a link to my personal sandbox between the links to my talk page and preferences at upper right. Some wikis don't have that. I noticed this while <a href='?title=Wikipedia%3AVillage_pump_%28technical%29%23Changing_access-date_attribute_language'>tweaking stuff</a> at ml.wiki. I have looked in preferences for a switch but no joy there. I looked in an ml.wiki page source for something resembling <code><nowiki><li id="pt-sandbox"><a href="/wiki/User:Trappist_the_monk/sandbox" title="Your sandbox">Sandbox</a></li></nowiki></code> but that doesn't exist so it would appear that I can't use css to display something that is normally hidden. So, he asked, how do I get MediaWiki to give me a link to my own sandbox on wikis that don't normally provide it? Can I?</p> <p>—<a href='?title=User%3ATrappist_the_monk'>Trappist the monk</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATrappist_the_monk'>talk</a>) 14:55, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>: The link is added by <a href='?title=%3Amw%3AExtension%3ASandboxLink'>:mw:Extension:SandboxLink</a>. If there is consensus to add the link for all users at mlwiki, a request can be made on <a href='?title=%3Aphab%3A'>Phabricator</a>. Otherwise, users can use something like <syntaxhighlight lang=js>$.when( $.ready, mw.loader.using( ['mediawiki.util'] ) ).then( function() {</p> <p>// Your Sandbox</p> <p>mw.util.addPortletLink(</p> <p>'p-personal',</p> <p>mw.util.getUrl( 'User:' ) + mw.util.wikiUrlencode( mw.config.get( 'wgUserName' ) + '/sandbox' ),</p> <p>'Sandbox',</p> <p>'pt-sandbox',</p> <p>'Your sandbox',</p> <p>null,</p> <p>'#pt-preferences'</p> <p>);</p> <p>} );</syntaxhighlight> in their common.js to add a link. — <a href='?title=User%3AJJMC89'>JJMC89</a> <small>(<a href='?title=User_talk%3AJJMC89'>T</a><strong>·</strong><a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FJJMC89'>C</a>)</small> 16:13, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::That works, thank you.</p> <p>::—<a href='?title=User%3ATrappist_the_monk'>Trappist the monk</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATrappist_the_monk'>talk</a>) 16:39, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--ef-tag-error-message-but-not-using-ref-tags-'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Ref tag error message but not using ref tags....</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>Sup, Techpumpers. See, this <a href='?title=John_FitzWalter%2C_2nd_Baron_FitzWalter'>new article</a> is composed solely of <nowiki>{{sfn}}</nowiki> footnotes and referencing, and <em>yet</em>, if you look at the #Indictment section, there's that "<strong>{{red|Cite error: There are}} <nowiki><ref></nowiki> {{red|tags on this page without content in them (see the}} {{purple|help page)}}</strong>" tag. How is this possible, when I'm not even using <nowiki><ref>...</ref></nowiki> tags? And, of course—more importantly :) —how do I get rid of it; I've done multiple ctrl+f searches and can't find anything to remove. Any advice gratefully received! <a href='?title=User%3ASerial_Number_54129'><span style="color:black"><strong>——</strong></span></a><a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FSerial_Number_54129'><span style="color:black"><strong><em>SerialNumber</strong></em></span></a><a href='?title=User_talk%3ASerial_Number_54129'><span style="color:#8B0000"><strong><em>54129</strong></em></span></a> 16:51, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:<code><nowiki>{{Refn}}</nowiki></code> == empty {{tag|ref}}</p> <p>:—<a href='?title=User%3ATrappist_the_monk'>Trappist the monk</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATrappist_the_monk'>talk</a>) 16:55, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::Thanks {{reply|PrimeHunter|Trappist the monk}}, I was being a little too literal I see; I assumed it meant just those tags, rather than the note tag too. Many thanks for such quick help! Happy Sunday! <a href='?title=User%3ASerial_Number_54129'><span style="color:black"><strong>——</strong></span></a><a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FSerial_Number_54129'><span style="color:black"><strong><em>SerialNumber</strong></em></span></a><a href='?title=User_talk%3ASerial_Number_54129'><span style="color:#8B0000"><strong><em>54129</strong></em></span></a> 17:00, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--age-not-found-message-search-link-not-searching-in-non-article-namespaces'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Page not found message search link not searching in non-article namespaces</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>For example, going to <a href='?title=%3ACategory%3AHalogen_oxyacids'>:Category:Halogen oxyacids</a> results in this message:</p> <p><table class="wiki-table"><tr><td>class="wikitable" style="padding-top: 0.6em; padding-bottom: 0.6em; padding-left: 0.9em; padding-right: 0.9em;"</p> <p>|+</p> <p>|<strong>Wikipedia does not have a <a href='?title=wikipedia%3ACategorization'>category</a> with this exact name.</strong> Please browse the <a href='?title=Portal%3AContents'>existing categories</a> to check if the category is covered under another name.</p> <ul> <li>[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Halogen_oxyacids&action=edit <strong>Start the <em>Category:Halogen oxyacids</em> page</strong>].</li> <li>[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Halogen+oxyacids&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1 Search for "<em>Category:Halogen oxyacids</em>"] in existing pages of namespace Category.</li> <li><a href='?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere%2FCategory%3AHalogen_oxyacids'>Look for pages within Wikipedia that link to this title</a>.</td></tr><tr><td><strong>Other reasons this message may be displayed:</strong></li> </ul> <ul> <li>If a page was recently created here, it may not be visible yet because of a delay in updating the database; wait a few minutes or [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Halogen_oxyacids&action=purge try the purge function].</li> <li>Titles on Wikipedia are <strong><a href='?title=Case_sensitivity'>case sensitive</a></strong> except for the first character; please [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Halogen+oxyacids&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1 check alternative capitalizations] and consider adding a <a href='?title=wikipedia%3ARedirect'>redirect</a> here to the correct title.</li> <li>If the page has been deleted, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Category:Halogen_oxyacids check the <strong>deletion log</strong>], and see <a href='?title=wikipedia%3AWhy_was_the_page_I_created_deleted%3F'>Why was the page I created deleted?</a>.</td></tr></table>Clicking on the link to search for Halogen oxyacids (the category title) in existing pages of the namespace category [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Halogen+oxyacids&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1 searches for Halogen oxyacids in the article namespace] instead of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Halogen+oxyacids&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns14=1 searching for Halogen oxyacids in the category namespace]. I know that I can change which categories to search in by clicking on Advanced, but having to do so is somewhat annoying, runs contrary to what the message says, and could confuse users who don't realize that it's not searching in the right namespace at first. <a href='?title=User_talk%3AThe_Nth_User'>Care to differ or discuss with me?</a> <a href='?title=User%3AThe_Nth_User'>The N^th User</a> 20:07, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</li> </ul> <p>:Some users may not see the shown message at red links but at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Halogen_oxyacids. The namespace was removed from the search in [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:No_article_text&diff=856631699&oldid=856564402 this] edit to {{tl|No article text}} by <a href='?title=User%3ADinoguy1000'>Dinoguy1000</a>. <a href='?title=User%3APrimeHunter'>PrimeHunter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APrimeHunter'>talk</a>) 20:19, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::The namespace has been excluded for longer than that<s>, though there's a pretty good chance I'm still the one responsible for it</s>. It looks like the namespace has been excluded for years, and/or handled inconsistently between different search links in the template. In any case, the removal was accidental. I've "fixed" it by adding the namespace to the search term, though a better fix might be to exclude the namespace as it did before, and instead automatically select that namespace to be searched in. <span class=nowrap>「<a href='?title=User%3ADinoguy1000'><span style=color:#00f>ディノ</span><span style=color:#080>奴</span></a><a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FDinoguy1000'><span style=color:#F90>千？！</span></a>」^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3ADinoguy1000%23top'>☎ Dinoguy1000</a>}</span> 20:45, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section-changing-image-in-portal-box'><h2 class='section-toggle'>changing image in portal box</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>Hello. On April 7, at Portal talk:Espionage <a href='?title=special%3Adiff%2F835248804'>I requested</a> to change the image of <nowiki>{{Portal|Intelligence}}</nowiki>. Currently the image is <a href='?title=%3AFile%3AFbi_duquesne.jpg'>:File:Fbi duquesne.jpg</a>. A few minutes ago, I was going to change it boldly to another neutral, and "global" image. But I couldnt find where the source code of <nowiki>{{Portal|Intelligence}}</nowiki>. Could someone please point me in the right direction? Also pinging {{ping|Cabayi|Pbsouthwood|The Transhumanist}} who might know about it. Regards, —<span style="font-size: 104%; letter-spacing:1.5pt;"><span class="monospaced" style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">usernamekiran<a href='?title=User_talk%3AUsernamekiran'><span style="letter-spacing:1pt;"><strong>(talk)</strong></span></a></span></span> 22:41, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:{{re|Usernamekiran}} that image is controlled at: <a href='?title=Module%3APortal%2Fimages%2Fi'>Module:Portal/images/i</a>. — <a href='?title=User%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> ^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a>} 23:08, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::{{re|Xaosflux}} I thought so! But I wasnt sure when I saw it for the first time. Could you please change the current image with <a href='?title=%3AFile%3ASpy_silhouette_document.svg'>:File:Spy silhouette document.svg</a>? Or should i make a formal request on the talkpage? —<span style="font-size: 104%; letter-spacing:1.5pt;"><span class="monospaced" style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">usernamekiran<a href='?title=User_talk%3AUsernamekiran'><span style="letter-spacing:1pt;"><strong>(talk)</strong></span></a></span></span> 23:14, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::{{Re|Usernamekiran}} I activated an edit request for you at <a href='?title=Portal_talk%3AEspionage%23Request_for_changing_the_portal_image'>Portal_talk:Espionage#Request_for_changing_the_portal_image</a>. — <a href='?title=User%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> ^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a>} 23:31, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::{{re|Xaosflux}} thanks a lot! —<span style="font-size: 104%; letter-spacing:1.5pt;"><span class="monospaced" style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">usernamekiran<a href='?title=User_talk%3AUsernamekiran'><span style="letter-spacing:1pt;"><strong>(talk)</strong></span></a></span></span> 00:08, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--itoid-issue'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Citoid issue</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>While writing a source list on <a href='?title=User%3AJo-Jo_Eumerus%2FHorizon_Guyot'>User:Jo-Jo Eumerus/Horizon Guyot</a> I've noticed that Citoid sometimes fails to expand DOIs, specifically 10.2973/dsdp.proc.17.103.1973, 10.2973/dsdp.proc.17.110.1973, 10.2973/dsdp.proc.17.121.1973, 10.2973/dsdp.proc.30.107.1975, 10.2973/dsdp.proc.55.117.1980, 10.2973/dsdp.proc.55.115.1980, 10.2973/dsdp.proc.34.128.1976, 10.2973/dsdp.proc.34.128.1976 and 10.2973/dsdp.proc.17.118.1973. What is odd is that Citoid handles the other DOIs of this series just fine, and that DxDOI works on these identifiers. <a href='?title=User%3AJoJo_Eumerus_mobile'>JoJo Eumerus mobile</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AJoJo_Eumerus_mobile'>talk</a>) 10:03, 3 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:Calling <a href='?title=User%3AMvolz_%28WMF%29'>User:Mvolz (WMF)</a>... <a href='?title=User%3AWhatamidoing_%28WMF%29'>Whatamidoing (WMF)</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AWhatamidoing_%28WMF%29'>talk</a>) 18:43, 4 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:: These do seem to work in the api https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/#!/Citation/getCitation, i.e. https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/data/citation/mediawiki/10.2973%2Fdsdp.proc.17.103.1973 ... but they are very slow so plausibly it's timing out in the front end before the data is sent. This should have been fixed by <a href='?title=phab%3AT165105'>phab:T165105</a> though :/. <a href='?title=User%3AMvolz_%28WMF%29'>Mvolz (WMF)</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AMvolz_%28WMF%29'>talk</a>) 09:43, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--op-ups-oddity-does-not-display-lead-but-instead-a-following-section'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Pop-ups oddity - does not display lead but instead a following section</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>When I hover over a link to <a href='?title=Operation_Hope_Not'>Operation Hope Not</a>, the pop-up shows the text of the section "Plan", and not the text of the lead. What causes this and how can it be fixed? Thank you, <a href='?title=User%3ADuncanHill'>DuncanHill</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ADuncanHill'>talk</a>) 10:09, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <ul> <li>[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Operation_Hope_Not&type=revision&diff=863042857&oldid=863042739 This] fixed it. For some reason the software doesn't pick up the bolded lead where the image syntax is not on its own line. I reported this a few weeks ago and it was fixed in the same way. As I said at the time, it's still a bug, though. <a href='?title=User_talk%3ABlack_Kite'>Black Kite (talk)</a> 10:18, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</li> </ul> <p>::Thank you. <a href='?title=User%3ADuncanHill'>DuncanHill</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ADuncanHill'>talk</a>) 10:19, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--ot-edits-may-appear-in-ecent-hanges-when-they-shouldn-t'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Bot edits may appear in Recent Changes when they shouldn't</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>I've noticed several times that the Recent Changes filter to exclude bot edits doesn't always work, and bot edits may show up anyway. It's happened to me about three times so far; however, I managed to take a screenshot of it happening only right now. Can it be fixed? It's not a major problem, but it's odd. <a href='?title=File%3ABot_edit_showing_up_when_it_shouldn%27t.png'>File:Bot edit showing up when it shouldn't.png</a> <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href='?title=Wikipedia%3ASignatures'>unsigned</a> comment added by <a href='?title=User%3ADiamond_Blizzard'>Diamond Blizzard</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ADiamond_Blizzard%23top'>talk</a> • <a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FDiamond_Blizzard'>contribs</a>) 23:33, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--></p> <p>I don't know how to increase the image size, so click on it to see it clearly. <a href='?title=User%3ADiamond_Blizzard'><span style="background-color: pink; color: white">Diamond Blizzard</span></a> <a href='?title=User_talk%3ADiamond_Blizzard'><span style="background-color: pink; color: white">talk</span></a> 23:37, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:{{ec}} {{ping|Diamond Blizzard}} If you're talking about ClueBot NG's edits in Recent Changes, I think ClueBot NG edits are not marked as bot edits because these edits might need human review. <span style="text-shadow:#069 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><a href='?title=User%3ASemiHypercube'><b style="color:#090">^Semi</b></a><a href='?title=User_talk%3ASemiHypercube'><b style="color:#099">_Hypercube</b></a> <a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FSemiHypercube'>✎</a></span> 23:38, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::This - the filter is slightly misleading, it doesn't exclude "bot accounts" but "bot flagged edits". Some bots make certain edits without this flag on purpose. — <a href='?title=User%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> ^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a>} 23:39, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::Now I remember that! However, I think (although I'm not sure) that I've seen other bot edits which should be marked as bot edits show up even with the filter as well. If I see any of those, I will take a screenshot. <a href='?title=User%3ADiamond_Blizzard'><span style="background-color: pink; color: white">Diamond Blizzard</span></a> <a href='?title=User_talk%3ADiamond_Blizzard'><span style="background-color: pink; color: white">talk</span></a> 23:42, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::I just found an example with AnomieBOT showing up. Are its edits also not flagged as bot edits, and if so, why? <a href='?title=File%3AAnomieBOT_edits_showing_up_even_with_no_bot_edit_filter.png'>File:AnomieBOT edits showing up even with no bot edit filter.png</a> <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding <a href='?title=Wikipedia%3ASignatures'>unsigned</a> comment added by <a href='?title=User%3ADiamond_Blizzard'>Diamond Blizzard</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ADiamond_Blizzard%23top'>talk</a> • <a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FDiamond_Blizzard'>contribs</a>) 23:56, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--></p> <p>::::You would see a <strong>b</strong> next to where the <strong>m</strong> usually is were the edit expected to be hidden by the filter. --<a href='?title=User%3AIzno'>Izno</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AIzno'>talk</a>) 00:17, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::That is <a href='?title=Wikipedia%3ABots%2FRequests_for_approval%2FAnomieBOT_21'>Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/AnomieBOT 21</a>. Basically, if a bot is making a "content" type edit, or making an edit that would otherwise be useful for humans to know about (like publishing a report) it doesn't use the "bot flag" - specifically so it does show up on watch lists and recent changes. When making edits that would mostly waste people time to check (like fixing a syntax error on many pages, executing a CFD closure, etc) it uses a bot flag. — <a href='?title=User%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span></a> ^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AXaosflux'><span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span></a>} 00:19, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::: In that specific task, whether to use a bot flag or not is actually taken from the options of the {{tlu|User:AnomieBOT/RandomPage}} template. <a href='?title=User%3APppery'>{{3x|p}}ery</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APppery'>talk</a>) 18:05, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--revent-categories-from-transcluding-'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Prevent categories from transcluding?</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>Please see <a href='?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%23Pages_stuck_in_vandal%27s_category'>Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Pages stuck in vandal's category</a> for background. Is it possible to construct a page so that it does not transclude categories from other pages it transcludes? For example, can <a href='?title=%3ATemplate%3AAdmin_dashboard'>:Template:Admin dashboard</a> be set up so that it will never transclude a category from its child pages? This appears to be an open route to unconstructive silliness. <a href='?title=User%3AIvanvector'>Ivanvector</a> (^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AIvanvector'>Talk</a>}/_{<a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FIvanvector'>Edits</a>}) 14:29, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>: Interpreted strictly, the answer is no, but you can some pretty close by using {{tl|Strip categories}}. <a href='?title=User%3APppery'>{{3x|p}}ery</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APppery'>talk</a>) 14:33, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::{{u|Pppery}}, would <em>"<nowiki><includeonly>{{strip categories}}</includeonly></nowiki>"</em> prevent transclusion of the page's categories? <a href='?title=User%3AHome_Lander'>Home Lander</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AHome_Lander'>talk</a>) 16:44, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:: No, it would have to be <nowiki><includeonly>{{strip categories|<PAGE CONTENT>}}</includeonly></nowiki> <a href='?title=User%3APppery'>{{3x|p}}ery</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APppery'>talk</a>) 18:04, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::{{u|Pppery}}, {{done}}. Ping me if I did it wrong. <a href='?title=User%3AHome_Lander'>Home Lander</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AHome_Lander'>talk</a>) 19:00, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:{{u|Ivanvector}}, for clarity's sake, the thread is at <a href='?title=WP%3AANI%23Pages_stuck_in_vandal%27s_category'>WP:ANI#Pages stuck in vandal's category</a>; above link does not work. <a href='?title=User%3AHome_Lander'>Home Lander</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AHome_Lander'>talk</a>) 16:41, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::Thanks, silly mistake on my part. <a href='?title=User%3AIvanvector'>Ivanvector</a> (^{<a href='?title=User_talk%3AIvanvector'>Talk</a>}/_{<a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FIvanvector'>Edits</a>}) 16:42, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--ikiproject-page'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Wikiproject page</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>What happened to the "Categories and other projects section" of <a href='?title=Wikipedia%3AWikiProject_Basshunter'>main page</a>? I think ending is missing but I don't know what code is needed. Why <a href='?title=%3ACategory_talk%3ABasshunter'>it</a> is not classified by "Category" class ("class=Category")? "Category:Category-Class Basshunter articles" is also missing. <a href='?title=User%3AEurohunter'>Eurohunter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AEurohunter'>talk</a>) 18:08, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:A WikiProject for only around 30 articles sounds like a very poor idea. The main article <a href='?title=Basshunter'>Basshunter</a> only has around 600 daily page views. That also hints too little interest. <a href='?title=User%3APrimeHunter'>PrimeHunter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APrimeHunter'>talk</a>) 19:59, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:: This is not what this topic refers to but I don't expect big interest anyway now so I'm okey with it. I think some people are around, let's give it time (it's few hours after creation of the project). I know it can take longer time to find active users (few months or even years). I like WikiProject page because it clearly shows what is to do and it shows direction. <a href='?title=User%3AEurohunter'>Eurohunter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AEurohunter'>talk</a>) 21:03, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::{{replyto|Eurohunter}} You originally asked this at <a href='?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AWikiProject_Council%23Main_page'>Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council#Main page</a> (where I have replied). Please observe <a href='?title=WP%3AMULTI'>WP:MULTI</a>. --<a href='?title=User%3ARedrose64'><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARedrose64'>talk</a>) 22:13, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--m-pecial-y-anguage-ech-ews-2018-41-ech-ews-2018-41-'><h2 class='section-toggle'>[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2018/41|Tech News: 2018-41]]</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p><section begin="technews-2018-W41"/><div class="plainlinks mw-content-ltr" lang="en" dir="ltr"><div class="plainlinks"></p> <p>Latest <strong><a href='?title=m%3ASpecial%3AMyLanguage%2FTech%2FNews'>tech news</a></strong> from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. <a href='?title=m%3ASpecial%3AMyLanguage%2FTech%2FNews%2F2018%2F41'>Translations</a> are available.</p> <p><strong>Recent changes</strong></p> <ul> <li>The <a href='?title=mw%3ASpecial%3AMyLanguage%2FExtension%3AEducation_Program'>Education Program extension</a> was removed from all Wikimedia projects. You can use the [https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/ Programs and Events Dashboard] or the [https://tools.wmflabs.org/fountain/editathons/ Fountain] instead. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125618]</li> </ul> <p><strong>Problems</strong></p> <ul> <li>There was a problem when you copied and pasted from a table with the visual editor. It could add <code>href</code> where it shouldn't be. This has now been fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108506]</li> </ul> <p><strong>Changes later this week</strong></p> <ul> <li>Because of a data centre test you will be able to read but not edit the wikis for up to an hour on 10 October. This will start at [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=14&min=00&sec=0&day=10&month=10&year=2018 14:00 (UTC)]. You might lose edits if you try to save during this time. The time when you can't edit might be shorter than an hour. <a href='?title=m%3ASpecial%3AMyLanguage%2FTech%2FServer_switch_2018'>You can read more about this</a>.</li> <li>Because of <a href='?title=m%3ASpecial%3AMyLanguage%2FTech%2FServer_switch_2018'>the data centre test</a> there will be no new version of MediaWiki this week. Changes for this week will come next week instead.</li> </ul> <p><strong>Meetings</strong></p> <ul> <li><a href='?title=File%3AOcticons-sync.svg'>File:Octicons-sync.svg</a> <a href='?title=File%3AOcticons-tools.svg'>File:Octicons-tools.svg</a> You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20181010T15 10 October at 15:00 (UTC)]. See <a href='?title=mw%3ATechnical_Advice_IRC_Meeting'>how to join</a>.</li> </ul> <p><strong><em><a href='?title=m%3ASpecial%3AMyLanguage%2FTech%2FNews'>Tech news</a></strong> prepared by <a href='?title=m%3ASpecial%3AMyLanguage%2FTech%2FNews%2FWriters'>Tech News writers</a> and posted by <a href='?title=m%3ASpecial%3AMyLanguage%2FUser%3AMediaWiki_message_delivery'>bot</a> • <a href='?title=m%3ASpecial%3AMyLanguage%2FTech%2FNews%23contribute'>Contribute</a> • <a href='?title=m%3ASpecial%3AMyLanguage%2FTech%2FNews%2F2018%2F41'>Translate</a> • <a href='?title=m%3ATech'>Get help</a> • <a href='?title=m%3ATalk%3ATech%2FNews'>Give feedback</a> • <a href='?title=m%3AGlobal_message_delivery%2FTargets%2FTech_ambassadors'>Subscribe or unsubscribe</a>.</em></p> <p></div></div> <section end="technews-2018-W41"/> 23:37, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p><!-- Message sent by User:Johan (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Tech_ambassadors&oldid=18453674 --></p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--ncorrect-error-message-displayed-by-tlf-nfobox-academic-'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Incorrect error message displayed by {{tlf|Infobox academic}}</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>The home_town parameter was added to {{tl|Infobox academic}} several months ago. On articles in which the parameter is used (e.g., <a href='?title=Aaron_Riches'>Aaron Riches</a>), the following error message appears in the preview when editing: "{{red|Warning: Page using <a href='?title=Template%3AInfobox_academic'>Template:Infobox academic</a> with unknown parameter 'home_town' (this message is shown only in preview).}}" It also adds the articles to <a href='?title=%3ACategory%3APages_using_infobox_academic_with_unknown_parameters'>:Category:Pages using infobox academic with unknown parameters</a>. Does anyone know what might be causing this? <a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2F142.160.89.97'>142.160.89.97</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3A142.160.89.97'>talk</a>) 00:52, 9 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>: Fixed. The parameter needed to be added to a separate list at the bottom. <a href='?title=User%3APppery'>{{3x|p}}ery</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3APppery'>talk</a>) 01:02, 9 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::Thanks!! <a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2F142.160.89.97'>142.160.89.97</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3A142.160.89.97'>talk</a>) 01:16, 9 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--ategory-odify-talk-page-links-to-go-to-the-article-instead'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Category: Modify talk page links to go to the article instead</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p>I know it can be done, I just don't know how. <a href='?title=%3ACategory%3AUnknown-importance_A1_Grand_Prix_articles'>:Category:Unknown-importance A1 Grand Prix articles</a> for example lists Talk pages (since the WP banner is there) but clicking on a link leads to the article instead. Can someone tell me how to do that with another category, specifically <a href='?title=%3ACategory%3AVideo_game_articles_requesting_identifying_art'>:Category:Video game articles requesting identifying art</a>? Regards <a href='?title=User%3ASoWhy'><span style="color:#7A2F2F;font-variant:small-caps">So</span></a><a href='?title=User_talk%3ASoWhy'><span style="color:#474F84;font-variant:small-caps">Why</span></a> 18:11, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:You are probably loading a script related to the assessment scheme which does that for the former. --<a href='?title=User%3AIzno'>Izno</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AIzno'>talk</a>) 18:25, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::Interesting. I didn't know that one of my scripts did that. You are right of course. Shame, would have been great if there was another way. Regards <a href='?title=User%3ASoWhy'><span style="color:#7A2F2F;font-variant:small-caps">So</span></a><a href='?title=User_talk%3ASoWhy'><span style="color:#474F84;font-variant:small-caps">Why</span></a> 19:14, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::{{u|SoWhy}}, you might be interested in <a href='?title=User%3AEquazcion%2FCatListMainTalkLinks.js'>User:Equazcion/CatListMainTalkLinks.js</a>, it <a href='?title=User%3AEquazcion%2FCatListMainTalkLinks'>shows</a> the corresponding item to a talk or article in a category in a parenthetica linkl. I think that should offer what you like? I've got a version at <a href='?title=User%3AAmorymeltzer%2FCatListMainTalkLinks.js'>User:Amorymeltzer/CatListMainTalkLinks.js</a> which shows a history link as well. ~ <span style="color:#DF00A0">Amory</span><small style="color:#555"> <em>(<a href='?title=User%3AAmorymeltzer'>u</a> • <a href='?title=User_talk%3AAmorymeltzer'>t</a> • <a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FAmorymeltzer'>c</a>)</em></small> 21:54, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::{{re|Amorymeltzer}} Nice, thanks for the tip! That will make strolling through the category faster. Regards <a href='?title=User%3ASoWhy'><span style="color:#7A2F2F;font-variant:small-caps">So</span></a><a href='?title=User_talk%3ASoWhy'><span style="color:#474F84;font-variant:small-caps">Why</span></a> 07:06, 9 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--ile-locked-in-ussian-iki-'><h2 class='section-toggle'>File locked in Russian Wiki?</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p><a href='?title=File%3A%D0%A8%D0%BB%D1%8F%D1%85%D0%B8_%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B9-%D1%8E%D0%B6%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81%D0%B8.png'>File:Шляхи центральной-южной Руси.png</a></p> <p>This file seems to be locked up in the Russian Wiki. It appears in in the Russian version of <a href='?title=Crimean-Nogai_Raids'>Crimean-Nogai Raids</a> (<a href='?title=%3Aru%3A%D0%9A%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%BC%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE-%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81%D1%8C'>:ru:Крымско-ногайские набеги на Русь</a>), third image from top, but will not display in the English Wikipedia.</p> <p>Am I doing something wrong? Do some files need a switch to use in other languages(??)<a href='?title=User%3ABenjamin_Trovato'>Benjamin Trovato</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ABenjamin_Trovato'>talk</a>) 18:20, 9 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>: {{ReplyTo|Benjamin Trovato}} The image needs to be either on Commons or on the English Wikipedia. You cannot use an image from another language's Wikipedia. <a href='?title=User%3ARudolfRed'>RudolfRed</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARudolfRed'>talk</a>) 18:24, 9 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <ul> <li>{{done}} Should work fine now. <a href='?title=User%3AGreenMeansGo'><span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span></a><a href='?title=User_talk%3AGreenMeansGo%23top'><sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup></a> 18:27, 9 October 2018 (UTC)</li> <li>Thank you. Works in my sandbox. Please close. <a href='?title=User%3ABenjamin_Trovato'>Benjamin Trovato</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ABenjamin_Trovato'>talk</a>) 19:47, 9 October 2018 (UTC)</li> </ul></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--asier-links-to-pecial-pages'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Easier links to Special pages</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p><a href='?title=File%3AScreen_Shot_2018-10-07_at_9.58.09_AM.png'>File:Screen Shot 2018-10-07 at 9.58.09 AM.png</a></p> <p>Forking the discussion in <a href='?title=%23External_links_in_edit_summaries'>#External links in edit summaries</a>, above, it would be nice if the Special links were included as text in the pages they generate. For example, if I go to my watchlist and click in the <em>diff</em> link for <a href='?title=The_Bronx'>The Bronx</a>, I get to a page which is titled, <em>The Bronx: Difference between revisions</em>, with a URL of https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Bronx&curid=3338&diff=862891580&oldid=862848213. If I want to generate the corresponding Special link, i.e. <a href='?title=Special%3ADiff%2F862891580%2F862848213'>Special:Diff/862891580/862848213</a>, I need to hand-construct that by copy-pasting bits out of the URL bar. Even if I know the syntax, it's still a pain. Multiply-so on mobile. But, if the text <em>Special:Diff/862891580/862848213</em> appeared on the page itself, I could just copy that entire string, just like I would copy the title of a normal article. See attached screenshot for example. Similarly, any page which was (or could be) generated via a Special link should include, as text, the properly constructed self-link. -- <a href='?title=User%3ARoySmith'>RoySmith</a> <a href='?title=User_Talk%3ARoySmith'>(talk)</a> 14:04, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:{{ping|RoySmith}} Support in principle. Should not be a clickable link, as it's not particularly easy to copy a clickable link without clicking it (I can usually pull it off, but I would consider that an "advanced" skill). If you click it, the string you want to copy does not occur anywhere on the resulting page. If there is a way to facilitate the copy operation (like how Firefox automatically selects/highlights the URL field when you click anywhere within it) that would be a good thing.<br />Anyway, this belongs at <a href='?title=WP%3AVPI'>WP:VPI</a> or <a href='?title=WP%3AVPR'>WP:VPR</a>{{emdash}}depending on whether you consider your proposal fully formed and VPR-ready{{emdash}}not here. ―<a href='?title=User%3AMandruss'><span style="color:#775C57;"><strong><em>Mandruss</strong></em></span></a> <a href='?title=User_talk%3AMandruss'><span style="color:#777;">☎</span></a> 18:56, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::Could belong here if all is desired is a userscript to do it <a href='?title=User%3AGalobtter'>Galobtter</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AGalobtter'>pingó mió</a>) 18:59, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::Oppose scripts for features that benefit virtually everybody, for reasons I've articulated elsewhere. ―<a href='?title=User%3AMandruss'><span style="color:#775C57;"><strong><em>Mandruss</strong></em></span></a> <a href='?title=User_talk%3AMandruss'><span style="color:#777;">☎</span></a> 19:01, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::Side note {{reply to|Mandruss}}: Just FYI, you can copy a clickable link by holding ALT and selecting text. (not something I expect many people to know, but a useful trick nonetheless) <a href='?title=User%3ARchard2scout'>rchard2scout</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARchard2scout'>talk</a>) 19:13, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::{{ping|Rchard2scout}} That saves you the {{keypress|Ctrl|C}}, but you still have to select, so it does nothing about the aforementioned "not-particularly-easiness" of selecting without clicking. ―<a href='?title=User%3AMandruss'><span style="color:#775C57;"><strong><em>Mandruss</strong></em></span></a> <a href='?title=User_talk%3AMandruss'><span style="color:#777;">☎</span></a> 19:17, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::Retract the preceding, which I would just remove if I hadn't pinged you. It appears that the {{keypress|Alt}} prevents a click, so my comment doesn't apply. It's still quite cumbersome to do, especially when using a laptop without a mouse. For me it requires two hands and three fingers, and every bit of my manual dexterity. ―<a href='?title=User%3AMandruss'><span style="color:#775C57;"><strong><em>Mandruss</strong></em></span></a> <a href='?title=User_talk%3AMandruss'><span style="color:#777;">☎</span></a> 19:26, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::Actually, I hadn't actually intended it to be clickable. That was just a side-effect of my crudely hacking up the generated HTML in a browser window. I'll play around with some other wireframes and see if I can get something that looks useful. -- <a href='?title=User%3ARoySmith'>RoySmith</a> <a href='?title=User_Talk%3ARoySmith'>(talk)</a> 20:45, 7 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::::All the browsers that I've used on a desktop make it easy to copy clickable links using a mouse. In each one, you hover over the link, right-click, and select an option from the menu. The name of the option varies though; in Firefox it is "Copy link location"; in Chrome and Opera it is "Copy link address"; in IE it's "Copy Shortcut"; in Safari it's "Copy link". --<a href='?title=User%3ARedrose64'><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARedrose64'>talk</a>) 07:06, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::::Firefox "Copy link location" copies the link's target, not its text. For example, using it on <a href='?title=Special%3ADiff%2F862891580%2F862848213'>Special:Diff/862891580/862848213</a> gives <code><nowiki>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Diff/862891580/862848213</nowiki></code>. Sure, you can strip off the <code><nowiki>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/</nowiki></code> after the paste, but the extra step makes it a wash between that and just trying to select without clicking. Either way is too much to ask of the average Wikipedia editor (never mind the <em>below-average</em> Wikipedia editor!). ―<a href='?title=User%3AMandruss'><span style="color:#775C57;"><strong><em>Mandruss</strong></em></span></a> <a href='?title=User_talk%3AMandruss'><span style="color:#777;">☎</span></a> 17:27, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::::::It's what you asked for in your post of 18:56, 7 October 2018 (UTC) - {{tq|it's not particularly easy to copy a clickable link without clicking it}} --<a href='?title=User%3ARedrose64'><span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64</a> 🌹 (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ARedrose64'>talk</a>) 21:57, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::::::No, it isn't. Anyway, it's moot because it's been stated that a clickable link wasn't intended in the first place, and there would be no point in a link that would take you to the page on which it occurs. ―<a href='?title=User%3AMandruss'><span style="color:#775C57;"><strong><em>Mandruss</strong></em></span></a> <a href='?title=User_talk%3AMandruss'><span style="color:#888;">☎</span></a> 22:12, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::::::{{ping|Mandruss}} Chrome for Android has a "Copy link text" feature -- it's a shame that desktop browsers don't without a plugin or add-on. --<a href='?title=User%3AAhecht'>Ahecht</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AAhecht'><span style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br />PAGE</span></a>) 22:05, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:I can probably put together a user script for this pretty quickly, and I've wanted this for some time - I just never got around to it. I guess there's some demand now, so I'll probably have this up soonish. <a href='?title=User%3AEnterprisey'>Enterprisey</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AEnterprisey'>talk!</a>) 07:34, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::Oppose scripts for features that benefit virtually everybody, for reasons I've articulated elsewhere. ―<a href='?title=User%3AMandruss'><span style="color:#775C57;"><strong><em>Mandruss</strong></em></span></a> <a href='?title=User_talk%3AMandruss'><span style="color:#777;">☎</span></a> 17:27, 8 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:{{u|RoySmith}}, done (for the link case) at <a href='?title=User%3AEnterprisey%2Fdiff-permalink.js'>User:Enterprisey/diff-permalink.js</a>. As a bonus, clicking on the text field copies it to your clipboard. For the Special:Log case where you want to link to a single log entry, there's <a href='?title=User%3AEnterprisey%2Flinks-in-logs.js'>User:Enterprisey/links-in-logs.js</a>. For the other special pages, you can usually find a Special:____ version in the address bar; let me know if there's a special page that's not like that. Mandruss, you can still propose that this be added to the diff page on the MediaWiki side, but I think it's a bit of a power-user feature, especially since readers wouldn't see a reason not to use the address bar link. <a href='?title=User%3AEnterprisey'>Enterprisey</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AEnterprisey'>talk!</a>) 01:58, 10 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section><section class='wiki-section collapsible' id='section--arge-obstructing-banner-on-mobile'><h2 class='section-toggle'>Large obstructing banner on mobile</h2><div class='wiki-body'><p><a href='?title=File%3AWikipedia_App_Banner_on_Safari_mobile.jpg'>File:Wikipedia App Banner on Safari mobile.jpg</a> Does anyone know how to get rid of that banner on mobile Safari without just deleting the Wikipedia app off my phone. If there’s some obvious way that I’ve missed please forgive me ^Thanks,<a href='?title=User%3AL3X1'>L3X1</a> <a href='?title=User_talk%3AL3X1'><small>◊distænt write◊</small></a> 03:08, 10 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:I think that <a href='?title=User%3ACKoerner_%28WMF%29'>User:CKoerner (WMF)</a> will know who to talk to about that problem. <a href='?title=User%3AWhatamidoing_%28WMF%29'>Whatamidoing (WMF)</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3AWhatamidoing_%28WMF%29'>talk</a>) 05:15, 10 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>::{{replyto|L3X1|Whatamidoing (WMF)}}, this is an iOS feature of Universal Links. You cannot get rid of it without deleting the app. —<a href='?title=User%3ATheDJ'>Th<span style="color: green">e</span>DJ</a> (<a href='?title=User_talk%3ATheDJ'>talk</a> • <a href='?title=Special%3AContributions%2FTheDJ'>contribs</a>) 07:26, 10 October 2018 (UTC)</p> <p>:::{{u|TheDJ}}, thanks for the info. ^Thanks,<a href='?title=User%3AL3X1'>L3X1</a> <a href='?title=User_talk%3AL3X1'><small>◊distænt write◊</small></a> 14:52, 10 October 2018 (UTC)</p></div></section></div></main> <footer class="site-footer"> <div class="footer-container"> <div class="footer-links"> <a href="/about.php">About</a> <a href="/help.php">Help</a> <a href="/updates.php">Updates</a> <a href="/contact.php">Contact</a> <a href="/privacy.php">Privacy</a> <a href="/terms.php">Terms</a> <a href="https://github.com/yourusername/friendly-wiki" target="_blank" rel="noopener">GitHub</a> </div> <div class="footer-copy"> © 2025 Friendly Wiki. 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