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= Open tasks =

Topics for future discussion

  • Collaboration with galleries, libraries, archives, museums, universities, and various other institutions (e.g. Wikipedia:GLAM/NMM)
  • Article improvement drives
  • Notability guideline for battles
  • Naming convention guideline for foreign military ranks
  • Using the "Results" field in infoboxes
  • How far milhist's scope should include 'military fiction' (possible solution, see scope of Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Military fiction task force)
  • Encouraging member participation in the various review processes (peer, GAN, ACR etc)
  • Recruiting new members (see User:The ed17/MILHIST, etc.)
  • Improving/maintaining popular pages
  • Motivating improvement from Stub to B-Class
  • Enabling editors to improve articles beyond B-Class (possibly utilising logistics dept, also see WP:FAT for related ideas)
  • Helping new members (possibly involving improving/deprecating welcome template; writing Academy course)
  • Recruiting copy-editors to help during ACR
  • Recruiting editors from external forums/groups/etc.
  • Simplifying ACR instructions (old discussion)

Missing academy articles

Open award nominations

Nominations for awards are made and voted on by coordinators at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history/Awards. An A-Class Medal nomination needs at least two coordinators' votes to succeed, and the Chevrons with Oak Leaves a majority of coordinators' votes. All coordinators are requested to review the following:

ACRs for closure

All A-Class reviews are eligible for closure 28 days after they were opened, or 5 days if there is a clear consensus for either promotion or non-promotion, by any uninvolved coordinator. The closing coordinator should check the review page carefully to ensure that there are three general supports and supports (or passes) for both the image and the source reviews, and that there are no outstanding points to be addressed. A guide to manually closing A-Class reviews is available, but normally the closing coordinator just needs to change {{xt|1=A-Class=current}} in the {{tl|WPMILHIST}} banner to {{xt|1=A-Class=pass}} or {{xt|1=A-Class=fail}}.

MILHIST CCI cases

The following open CCI cases contain MILHIST articles (some usernames are omitted from the case titles because they are real names):

  1. Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/20130819
  2. Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Degen Earthfast
  3. Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/America789
  4. Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Buster40004
  5. Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/$1LENCE D00600D
  6. Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Kprtqrf06
  7. Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Mztourist
  8. Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/20190125
  9. Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/20210418
  10. Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Bluecountrymutt
  11. Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/DaWulf2013
  12. Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/DeltaSquad833
  13. Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/20230508

= Discussion =

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Suggestions

{{@MILHIST}} Welcome to another year of coordinating! While I'm not looking to start anything immediately I want to raise the idea of some kind of drive or event during this term. Of our five major milestones only one remains; it might be nice to have a drive with the goal of furthering that? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 20:27, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

:I had been thinking along those lines. I am not sure how the 83.5% figure was arrived at. There are 227,416 articles in the project rated FA, A, GA, B, C, Start and Stub (ie excluding 5,708 lists and 90,811 templates, redirects, categories etc.) To get from 83.5 to 100.0 we need to lift the number of B class articles by about 20% ie 4,000 articles. Unlike the other goals, this one is a moving target.

:So how would we go about doing that?

:* One reservoir is the 64,240 C class articles. Some of them may already qualify as B-class, due to the MilHistBot being uncertain about the referencing. For example: 1st Dorsetshire Artillery Volunteers. Others (more common), like 1st Gloucestershire Engineer Volunteer Corps only need a couple of extra references. Most though, need a lot of work. Some are completely unreferenced. We could go through selecting articles that only need a bit of work.

:* We could also look at the stubs with a view to deleting or merging some. For example, Talk:1st Military District (Australia) contains a 2016 discussion of merging the Australian military districts into one article which was never performed.

:Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:20, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

::Good ideas. Many years ago the rogue and banned editor Wild Wolf rated articles start and perhaps occasionally C at random without ever looking at them. He did several in a minute so coordinators and administrators warned him more than once before he was banned. He was also using sockpuppets. I stopped asking for reviews at that time although I am quite sure some of my articles then and later were B class. If I could find a little extra time, I think it would take little work for me to bring them up to B from later deterioration. Those are just a small number of the many that could be improved. I would hope that many editors would respond because many of these articles are on obscure topics with hard to find references. I doubt that I, for one, have or can easily find references for them if the problem is citation deficiency. Donner60 (talk) 22:08, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

:::Exactly. Editors would have trouble finding references in subject areas in which they are unfamiliar, but more easily in subject areas within their field of expertise. So the approach I would suggest one of triage, where we work though the C class articles, discarding those requiring a lot of work, and categorising the rest according to topic area, so participating editors could take them on and correct them. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:03, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

::::Create a pre-arranged list of not-too-terrible C-class articles, and put them up in a drive for improvement? Coords could then be in charge of re-rating/checking for B-class once an editor has signified that the article has been actioned. Barnstars and leader boards as appropriate? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 19:17, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

::::: This sounds like a good idea to me. Hog Farm Talk 19:22, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

::::::I think the clearest way to organise the list would be with the task force topics. The question would be whether sections be created for all the task forces (there are a lot!) or only for one type of them? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 15:46, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

::::::: How many of the task forces are still functionally used? I imagine it's only a fraction of the total ones. Hog Farm Talk 19:49, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

:Hi coordinators, congrats to all elected in this tranche. I have not been that active recently (and am not currently a coord) but thought I'd chime in on this. I did do a bit of work monitoring our progress against this target in 2018-2019 (User:Dumelow/MILHIST B-class assessment stats); when we held a number of drives to try to clear the unassessed article backlog. This helped to slowly chip away at the target, improving it from 72.1% in February 2018 to 76.9% by October 2019. The November 2019 introduction of Milhistbot to automatically assess against the B-class criteria helped greatly (adding 1,500 new B-class articles) and led to a jump to 82.8% (we are currently at 83.4%). I agree that it would be absolutely great to achieve this target and help to demonstrate the project is committed to bringing a good chunk of articles to a basic decent standard as well as the perhaps more visible successes achieved at GA and FA. More than happy to help out assessing articles and chipping in with improvements if we can get a drive going. One area I was monitoring at the time of the last push was :Category:Military history articles needing attention only to supporting materials which currently holds around 1,300 articles. A good portion of these, in theory, need only an image or infobox to achieve the B-class standard - Dumelow (talk) 15:59, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

::That would, in my opinion, be a fantastic place to start. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 16:20, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

:::Hi, chiming in late here. The ideas advanced above, namely the listing of C-class articles for improvement to B-class, and working on the articles requiring supporting materials, sound great to me. Also, working on articles which need work on article structure and grammar could be done concurrently; those requiring more citations or coverage could be done later if needed. Matarisvan (talk) 16:44, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

::::I had the MilHistBot provide me a list of some of the low hanging fruit. It suggested articles like:

::::* .345 Winchester Self-Loading

::::* 1 July 2019 Kabul attack

::::* 1/1st Hertfordshire Yeomanry

::::* 1st Army Group Royal Artillery

::::* 1st Anzac Entrenching Battalion

::::* 1st Battalion Royal Irish Rifles in World War I

::::Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:42, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

:::::What kind of parameter are you using for that? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 19:59, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

::::::I asked it to locate C-class articles that are fully or nearly fully referenced. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 10:09, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

:::::::I ran off another short list here. The number in parentheses is the number of references that the Bot thinks are lacking. Plenty more where these came from, but most could be uplifted to B-class with a little effort. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

{{od}}

In addition to, if you are looking for specific focal areas, you could have a look at the various Task Forces and their respective WikiWork parameters: Cumulative WikiWork (ω) and Relative WikiWork (Ω). For example, the United States military history task force indicated values of ω=302,399 and Ω=4.541. This task force alone accounts for approx. 28% of all military history articles while only 11.2% are B-class or higher. It would require improving approx. 2,500 articles within the United States military history task force to push this task force north of the 15% threshold. Food for thought. Cheers MisterBee1966 (talk) 06:58, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

ACR to-do list for October 2024

{{@MILHIST}}I am a newly elected coord for WPMH. I'm taking the initiative to add this topic since the ACR to-do list for July 2024 above has been exhausted, it has only one task remaining, which I will cover below. Would be great to hear from other coords. Please feel to delete this introductory text once all other coords have read it.

Matarisvan (talk) 16:59, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Discussion at [[:WP:HD#Problems moving an article due to a redirect|WP:HD § Problems moving an article due to a redirect]]

File:Symbol watching blue lashes high contrast.svg You are invited to join the discussion at WP:HD § Problems moving an article due to a redirect. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:38, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

:Perhaps a MILHIST coordinator could take a look at this question posted at the Help Desk and provide some advice to the OP. In addition to the naming issue, there might also be a CONTENTFORK issue since most of the content in :User:Mr.Lovecraft/Construction site beta has the feel of stuff that might already be covered in existing Wikipedia articles about either the US Army itself or World War II. If that's the case, maybe it would be better to explain this to the OP sooner than later and spare them the surprise of having this moved to the mainspace only to see it subsequently merged, redirected, etc. by someone else. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

::I see that the author has moved this to the article title United States Army in World War II. I think the title is misleading. While much of the material is covered and I have other criticisms, a problem that I see initially is that this article is really only about the organization of the United States Army in World War II. It would be more accurate to add the words "Organization of the" to the title if it is to be retained in its current form and not distract readers from the comprehensive article on Military history of the United States during World War II. Ping other coordinators for specific notice if they wish to comment here or on discussion page. I will add my comment there. {{@MILHIST}} Donner60 (talk) 00:37, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

:::{{ping|Donner60}} Thanks for taking a look at this. The HD discussion was archived and can now be found at :Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2024 October 7#Problems moving an article due to a redirect. The OP responded to your post, but I'm not sure they understood what you were trying to say. The article they created can now be found at :United States Army during World War II. Perhaps :Talk:United States Army during World War II is now the best place for you or any other members of MILHIST to comment on it or assess it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:58, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

::::The name is like those of other countries, eg Australian Army during World War II, British Army during the Second World War. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:26, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

:::::{{ping|Marchjuly|Hawkeye7}} I have added a see also section to this article with Military history of the United States during World War II, and included in the edit summary "other articles about nation's armies in World War II are more comprehensive, this see also should direct interested readers to additional information." I think that should satisfy my concern and not leave readers without a link and article providing information other than just the organization. Donner60 (talk) 01:55, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

November Bugle

I'm going to be travelling without Wikipedia access for the next month or so. Could one or two people please volunteer to help Ian with the next edition of the Bugle? I usually handle the book reviews, ACR blurbs and featured pictures. Thanks, Nick-D (talk) 00:55, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

:Happy to help if given a nudge closer to publishing. Am I right in saying {{u|Adam Cuerden}} has assisted with the pictures before? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 10:38, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

::In the apparent absence of a reply, I have looked at the featured pictures published in September and October. The following are two pictures added to the list of featured pictures in October but not published on the main page in October; these seem to be the types of pictures included in the Bugle's new featured pictures section:

::

::File:British Columbia Regiment 1940.jpg|Wait for Me, Daddy, by Claude P. Dettloff (restored by Yann)

::File:Daddy, what did You do in the Great War?.jpg|"Daddy, What Did You Do in the Great War?", by Savile Lumley/Johnson, Riddle & Co. Ltd. (restored by Adam Cuerden)

::These are pictures that were published on the main page in October, but not included in those designated in October as well. So I think they were probably designated as new featured pictures in the Bugle in an earlier month:

::USS Johnston

::Archibald Sinclair, 1st Viscount Thurso

::I am reasonably sure that the first two would be the ones included in the November Bugle as new featured pictures for October, but not the second two. I am pinging {{ping|Adam Cuerden}}. Perhaps he can confirm that I have researched and analyzed this completely and correctly or whether I have missed something or otherwise come to an incorrect or incomplete conclusion. Donner60 (talk) 07:54, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

:This is the October issue we are talking about? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:11, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

::In the absence of a reply, it appears to me that this would be October news, features, etc. in the November issue. The November issue template is not yet up as of a short time ago. Donner60 (talk) 07:56, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

:::My apologies: I'm dealing with my father's estate, which is taking a lot of my mental facilities. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 04:59, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

::::Quite understandable. Sorry to hear of the loss of your father. Best wishes. Donner60 (talk) 05:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Quality content drive?

Question: Would there be any interest here is running a project backlog drive with the expressed goal of working through our quality content? We've had that "prior to 2016 it needs to be looked" at disclaimer, but not a lot of action on it, and I get the sense other project are having the same issue(s). If we could find enough support in our project for a drive that'd be great, but I'm thinking with so many articles in need of work we'll need to do some outreach to cover our bases. At a minimum, WP:GOCE should be contacted, but if there's interest here then perhaps we can count on some interest across the spectrum. If it should really blow up, I'd be prepared to give it a proper code name and split up the work into task forces for more manageable bytes. What do you think? TomStar81 (Talk) 11:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

:An initial question: Would this be along the lines suggested by Pickersgill-Cunliffe in the "Suggestions" topic above or a separate drive? If two different types of drives are contemplated, I think they would need to be spaced some months apart to generate enough enthusiasm to make some real progress. Donner60 (talk) 03:32, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

::No, this'd be an independent drive with the objective of addressing articles listed at Wikipedia:Unreviewed featured articles/2020. This list has appeared for a few years in our news section with the byline "Editors are advised that Featured Articles promoted before 2016 are in need of review, if you had an article promoted to Featured status on or before 2016 please check and update your article before they are listed at FAR/C.". Ostensibly, the goal would be to coordinate efforts just within the existing batch there to clear our articles out of the list - although if the rest of the community (biography project, history project, women project, etc) were interested we could consider initiating a Wikipedia wide drive. Right now, I'm just trying to suss out if there is any interest in this particular avenue of work, or if the community wants to rally around a different group of articles to work on at the moment. TomStar81 (Talk) 06:58, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

:::Thanks. I do not see the byline under the News & Open Tasks tab or in the Bugle. I looked more closely and see it under the Discussion tab and in the template {{WPMILHIST Announcements}}. Some members of the project know about this drive because I note contributions to/reviews by several current and former coordinators and experienced users in recent years but perhaps the byline about it could be inserted on the News & Open Tasks page or in the Bugle News section or both for greater exposure. Donner60 (talk) 07:06, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

:::Hi guys, this month's Bugle is late going out but that did allow me to catch this discussion, so I chucked a reminder about unreviewed FAs into the News section. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:17, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Military historian and newcomer of the year election voting

{{@MILHIST}} When I documented the procedure for this last year, I said that voting was between 1 and 30 December but forgot to specify the nomination period. Would two weeks be sufficient? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:36, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

:Sure, that's enough time. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:14, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

:I agree. Donner60 (talk) 03:50, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

:Okay. I have updated the instructions accordingly. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

AutoCheck report for October

The following articles were rated as B class by automatic assessment:

  • First two are B class in form but need some editing on sentence structure; I will work on that; last one has notability and references templates, most of the sources are foreign language, this needs further analysis, otherwise even if B class in form, it doesn't look quite that high; unusually short list by the bot this month. Donner60 (talk) 03:34, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Battle of LaFayette
  • Siege of Parenda (1634)
  • Sukhwinder Singh Sangha

MilHistBot (talk) 00:10, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

:Something seems wrong here. I will re-check the logs. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:05, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

::Thanks. Donner60 (talk) 06:23, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

AutoCheck report for October

The following articles were rated as B class by automatic assessment:

MilHistBot (talk) 06:22, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

:That's better {{smiley}} Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:30, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Awards

{{ping|Hawkeye7}} Dates for nominations differ between talk page and MMS. I'm assuming it's the MMS that's correct? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 19:52, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

:Yes. I have corrected the talk page. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:34, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

My rewrite on Talk:Bombardment of Greytown

Around mid-October, I left a message at this URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history/Requests_for_project_input.

I did not receive a reply. Here is what I said:

I have done an expansive rewrite edit of Wikipedia’s Bombardment of Greytown page on that page’s talk page.

There, I had learned that: “This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: Military history: Maritime / British / European C‑class.”

I invite anyone associated with WikiProject: Military history to read my attempt to improve upon this Start-class article and to comment.

I realize you may be very busy with other projects. But if you could just acknowledge an awareness of my effort and that it's "in the cue" to be looked at (with perhaps a rough estimate as to when), I would be much appreciative.

Will-DubDub Will-DubDub (talk) 06:05, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

:On your talk page, you have a conversation in which an editor with a few years of experience replied that your proposal to follow this procedure was appropriate: "I found this advice online: "If you plan to make substantial edits to a Wikipedia article, it is generally considered good practice to first draft your changes on the article's talk page, especially if the edits are significant or potentially controversial, allowing for discussion and feedback from other editors before implementing them directly on the article itself." To do this, it said to "Start a new section [add topic?] on the talk page."

:Although the advice about starting a discussion on potentially controversial changes has some merit, in more than 14 years on Wikipedia, I have never seen an entire article rewritten on a talk page and have no knowledge about where it is suggested in Wikipedia guidelines as a procedure for getting comment or help on a substantial or an entire rewrite of an article - which in turn is not likely to be controversial. (I see you got this advice "online", perhaps not on Wikipedia itself?, but maybe it exists somewhere here.). Your pinging of others who have been involved in editing the article was appropiate and a good way to get input. For prominent articles (perhaps Battle of Gettysburg, as an example), just posting on the talk page might attract comment from a few persons who have the article watchlisted. Posting on the requests for project input on the project talk page here also was a potentially good way to get input. As I note below my suggested way to progress this, however, requests for project input here may or may not get one or more responses.

:The substantial amount of work that you have done seems to be work usually done in draft space and submitted first to articles for creation by newer editors. Because you are obviously good at research and writing, and have gained some experience through articles for creation in particular already, I suggest a more usual approach for assessment of a presumably non-controversial improvement or revision of an existing article. Post the changed article on the article page itself and then ask for an assessment of the article grade at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Requests. A coordinator or experienced user will respond as soon as a day later and almost certainly within a week. They will not do research or comment on the substance of the article unless something does not seem correct and probably if the article is in a topic area with which they are familiar. They may have questions or suggest that you expand or clarify some point. The main purpose of the review, other than that, is to tell the writer whether the article meets B class criteria or whether there are some deficiencies that need to be addressed in order to bring the article to B class. Reviewers will almost always make minor changes for misspellings or grammar. They will not do research or help you rewrite or improve an article - with perhaps a few exceptions in areas of their knowledge and interests. There is a different procedure for higher level reviews. Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment. The main roles of coordinators are shown at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators.

:I have only skimmed the article. It appears to be B class in form, except for the end of a few paragraphs where citations are needed; I tagged them in the draft. I would need to read the article more carefully to assess it after citations are added but it looks good at first glance. I personally use a references section as well as citations or notes because in some cases there are additions that are not references and for concise reading. As far as I know, that is not required but just how some editors approach this.

:Requests for project input is a new separate topic area put at the top of the project talk page. These type of requests were scattered through the talk page in the past. Usually, they are about disagreements already started about something in the article, occasionally about a substantive point, or even more likely, about actions such as changing the title of the article and other non-substantive matters. Coordinators (and we are four short of the desired number of coordinators) may or may not respond if it appears that it is something they can or really need to address. As you knew or surmised, coordinatiors are usually busy on tasks noted in the page cited above or even on their own articles.

:This request for input section is on the general project talk page rather than on this page in the event other members of the project, usually experienced users, can, or wish to, provide comment or even additional help. Sometimes experienced users who watch that page do reply. I assume some of these requests may never get a reply. After some period of time requests are removed from the page with the presumption that anyone who was interested in replying would have done so on the article talk page or any other type of page on which the question is raised. I do reply to some requests and will note that I did so in reply to the request on the project talk page as well, although this not an established procedure. So some input may or may not have been given to archived requests. As I noted above, I think your request was a good approach and not unique. Perhaps we need to add to the topic introduction a note saying that a request may or may not receive input from project members (including coordinators) who see the request for various stated (or unstated) reasons in order to prevent future misunderstandings.

:If you have further questions, you are welcome to ask them here or on my talk page. Otherwise, I again suggest that you post the changed article in article space and ask for assessment. Since all the past versions of the article are posted, they will still be available if needed for some reason. Donner60 (talk) 02:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

::Thanks for this extensive and extremely helpful reply.

::I have added the three citations you suggested (and thanked you after putting in the first two).

::I will transfer my draft to the article page if the new citations meet with your approval. When it is on the article page, I will bring it to the attention of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Requests and ask for an assessment of the article grade.

::I only have two remaining questions for the moment. When should I think about adding images? And should I add a Bibliography or Further Reading section when, in fact, three of the entries would be to publications of mine, including a book in print? Would this not raise the specter of conflict of interest or would I be regarded as an SME, or “Subject-Matter Expert”? Will-DubDub (talk) 20:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

:::Please add the infobox (amended if necessary) and accompanying picture when you post the article to the article page. You can add pictures then or later. I have read the article and with the infobox and picture I can rate the article as B class regardless whether additional pictures are added now or later.

:::Some reviewers and other users object to the posting of rows of pictures (galleries), especially in shorter articles. There is a guideline to that effect somewhere but it has not precluded galleries, especially near the end of long articles. So add pictures to the right or left of the text to avoid any criticism. They don't all need to be on the same side. This fine line about picture posting seems a bit odd to me since pictures are otherwise encouraged. It may go back to the time when limiting the number of bytes in an article was more necessary for loading the page on slower computers or phones.

:::You are not trying to promote your books or gain some advantage by citing them. I don't see a conflict of interest. Some users mention books that they have written without trying to promote them. You would indeed be a subject matter expert. Indeed, I don't think the books would even be recognized as yours.

:::I have thought a little more about the requests for project input. The separate section at the top of the page was introduced recently upon the suggestion to keep them together and concurrence by a couple of other people. I saw the request and thought there would be no problem with that approach and did not comment. In fact, it turns out that there is a misunderstanding because the types of requests we may have thought about were more routine ones, mostly change of titles and minor questions.

:::I think that it would be better for someone who would like input about possible additional sources or comments on a few statements or a paragraph or specific questions and the like to post those in a new section (titled with the article title, and possibly even something like "help with" in the section. These would be posted after the existing sections on a page. That is how they have been done. I think this type of request for some limited help or comment that would more likely draw responses and would not be contrary to the grouping of the types of requests that the list of current requests of a certain type at the top was meant to highlight. Those requests often are looking for input for additional responses or are often procedural. More substantive requests in order of posting still might not draw responses but I think there would be a better chance that a coordinator or experienced user would see that it is a question or request about which they could easily and quickly provide a comment, source or suggestion. Donner60 (talk) 23:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

::::Thanks again for another long, helpful note.

::::I will be making slight changes to the info box while retaining the picture.

::::I won't be putting in any other pictures right away, but later.

::::I appreciated this: “I have read the article and with the info box and picture I can rate the article as B class.” But should I still bring it to “the attention of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Requests and ask for an assessment of the article grade”?

::::And I also appreciated this paragraph:

::::You are not trying to promote your books or gain some advantage by citing them. I don't see a conflict of interest. Some users mention books that they have written without trying to promote them. You would indeed be a subject matter expert. Indeed, I don't think the books would even be recognized as yours.

::::But I found a page on Wikipedia describing how to set up a “Further reading" entry which “a reader may consult for additional and more detailed coverage of the subject.” And it said:

::::Please do not add a work to the Further reading section if you are an author or publisher of the work. All editors are expected to comply with the Conflicts of interest guideline.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Further_reading#:~:text=The%20Further%20reading%20section%20of,detailed%20coverage%20of%20the%20subject

::::Any additional advice on this subject would be most welcome. Will-DubDub (talk) 06:29, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

:::::Please put the assessment request on the article assessment request page. I look at that page frequently, and in some weeks, daily. That helps keep the request upfront and records that it has been handled in the page history. Someone else could assess it earlier but I am sure the assessment would be the same. In recent times, I often get to handling the requests first for the majority of the requests.

:::::My opinion on the conflict of interest is the same. You will be citing a work that can (presumably) be checked for relevance and accuracy, not promoting it. Apparently someone or a few people thought that adding one's own work to further reading would be promotional. At least I can't think of any other reason for that part which covers own works in the COI section. Notably, the essay contains this sentence: "Bookspam (the addition of content for the purpose of advertising a work) and other promotional activities are prohibited." Note also that the essay is not a guideline itself but an explanatory essay. That is indicated by this sentence: "This page is not one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines as it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community." The main purpose of this page seems to be to keep users/editors from adding numerous additional works that are not cited in the article or not within other guidelines, including the prohibition on COIs.

:::::I have seen opinions of users who think there shouldn't be further reading sections at all. Perhaps they serve a purpose in long articles about broad topics, but then again, if they are useful, I don't see why they would not be cited. I don't use further reading sections and think that even in the distant past I have never added or added to one. I am sure that I have edited articles that already have such sections but I am reasonably sure that I have never added to or otherwise edited such a section. Donner60 (talk) 22:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

::::::Is this the article assessment request page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedia/Assessment?

::::::And is this how I make the request? “Just add {{WikiProject Wikipedia}} to the talk page.” If so, after I transfer the draft to the article page, should I click on “Add topic” in the Bombardment of Greytown talk page, and put ?what? in the Subject and Description boxes?

::::::Sorry for my ignorance!

::::::I am ready to transfer my draft from the talk page to the article page of “Bombardment of Greytown".

::::::I will leave the info box and the picture in place, changing the info box only slightly, to reflect the fact that Greytown was an independent city state at the time of the razing.

::::::I also added a 200 word section to the draft that you haven't seen before. This is not about anything new. It is an expansion of the argument that the case law Durand v. Hollins should not be used to justify presidential acts of war against sovereign states. It begins with the words: "Justice Nelson went on to say …” and ends with the words "Pierce and Secretary Marcy on that express ground”.)"

::::::Thanks again for all your help. Will-DubDub (talk) 20:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

:::::::You will see on the project's article assessment page Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Requests (not the talk page for that link) the following caption: ADD NEW REQUESTS AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS SECTION AND BEFORE THE LINE FOR THE BACKLOG CHECK REQUEST. Start with an asterisk, then a link to the article that you wish to have assessed. Most requests are accompanied by a brief comment, occasionally a question, but often just something like "Please assess" or "Please assess for B class." As long as the new text is covered by the existing footnote, or a new or repeated one is placed at the end of it if it is added to the end of a paragraph, it will be fine. I am glad you mentioned it so that I will note it in particular Instead of skimming it since I had read it earlier. Thank you for following through with this. Donner60 (talk) 00:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

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Cewbot removing "class=redirect" causing problems

Hi co-ords. Just to let you know that User:Cewbot is removing class=redirect from the project banner ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AErich_Baumgartl&diff=1261708399&oldid=1249371337 example]) and causing a whole heap of redirects to appear in :Category:Unassessed military history articles. Is this a problem with the bot or the banner? - Dumelow (talk) 18:02, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

:This is still happening, eg. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AHNLMS_Walrus_%28S802%29&diff=1262298577&oldid=1217808520 here on 10 December]. Milhistbot is then dutifully reassessing them as redirects eg [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Erich_Baumgartl&diff=next&oldid=1261708399 here], but does this risk causing an endless cycle of bot edits? Pinging User:Kanashimi and User:Hawkeye7 as the bot operators - Dumelow (talk) 07:14, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

::@Gonnym, @Tom.Reding Maybe we should remove the class=redirect part in remove_unnecessary_parameters? Kanashimi (talk) 07:34, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

:::Ii is alright. The article shows correctly as a redirect. The MilHist template requires class=redirect but the banner shell handles it automagically. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 08:47, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

:::{{tl|WP Military history}} is in {{cat|Custom class masks of WikiProject banners}}, so {{U|Cewbot}} should be avoiding it when it comes to redundant class values.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  09:51, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

::::Agree with Tom. The bot should avoid any template changes to templates in that category, but it should continue with removing it from everywhere else. If some templates want to work harder, that's their choice. Gonnym (talk) 08:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

:::::Just a note that this is still happening. At the moment :Category:Unassessed military history articles, normally empty because Milhistbot auto-assesses, has 1,100 articles. The majority that I checked were redirects that Cewbot had removed the class parameter from (eg. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AAmerican_War_in_Afghanistan&diff=1262748004&oldid=1252355066 1] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AAntarna&diff=1262714312&oldid=704803613 2] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AAntiroll_tank&diff=1262714475&oldid=705626187 3]). It is absolutely pointless to have one bot removing this parameter for another to readd it as a matter of course - Dumelow (talk) 07:47, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

::::::{{fixed}} Kanashimi (talk) 09:41, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

:::::::{{Ping|Kanashimi}} since many normally-irrelevant {{para|importance}} params are removed via remove_unnecessary_parameters, hopefully you have an analog of this check/fix for {{cat|Custom importance masks of WikiProject banners}} as well?   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  13:58, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

::::::::{{ping|Kanashimi}} Not fixed - it is still happening (eg [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wehrmacht_mountain_troops_badge&diff=next&oldid=1262907833]). It is okay to remove {{para|importance}} from the Military History template, because it is invalid, but removing {{code|class{{=}}Redirect}} is an error, because Redirect is not redundant, and it winds up marking the article as unassessed, and then being corrected by the MilHistBot. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:07, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

:::::::::I guess I didn't update the code? I just did. Kanashimi (talk) 00:37, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Military Historian and Newcomer of the Year Awards

I have handed out all the awards for 2024 except my own. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

: I have handed out your first place award. Congratulations! Hog Farm Talk 02:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

::Thanks Hog Farm. Congratulations on your runner-up award too. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

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A-class reviews

It's great to see that since {{u|Hawkeye7}}'s Bugle article a lot of momentum has returned to the A-class process. It certainly motivated me to post some reviews! Nick-D (talk) 01:02, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

AutoCheck report for February

The following articles were rated as B class by automatic assessment:

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AutoCheck report for March

The following articles were rated as B class by automatic assessment:

  • 2025 Walikale offensive B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:04, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
  • Action at Nineveh B class. Donner60 (talk) 00:34, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
  • Aračinovo ambush B class. Within scope only because Albanian Army claimed responsibility for attack on Macedonian policemen. Donner60 (talk) 01:08, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
  • Arye Sharuz Shalicar B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:13, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
  • Battle of Leszczawa Górna All foreign language sources. No English language source found as previously thought possible. Brief article but B class in form. More complete check not possible so leaving as B class. Donner60 (talk) 03:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Battle of Osweyne B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:35, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
  • Béla Breiner A relatively new user whose editing is solely to add priorities and make some changes in infobox restored milhist banner that I removed in February. Bot then assessed it again. I removed the banner again with this edit summary: "removed military history project banner again; not notable for his military service; he was anti-war, drafted against his beliefs in WWI and no info on any notable service; text itself indicates he may have played no military role in Hungarian-Romanian War but if he did, he was captured and escaped; please do not restore banner - ask another military history co-ordinator if a second opinion desired". Donner60 (talk) 02:04, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
  • Boeing F-47 B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:31, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
  • Capture of Al-Fulah B class. Donner60 (talk) 02:09, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
  • Christoph Martin von Degenfeld B class. Donner60 (talk) 02:36, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
  • Conquest of Darfur (1873–1874) No info on strength and casualties of Darfur forces but info for Turco-Egyptian forces are at only one point in time. Still keeping B class but if another coordinator thinks this is insufficient for B class, please change to C. Donner60 (talk) 02:07, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
  • David Drummond (soldier) B class. "Soldier" seems a little off since he was a colonel, finishing as a major general for a time before his death. Donner60 (talk) 02:44, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
  • David Griffin (athlete) B class. Seems more notable as an athlete but I think military service was sufficient to add project banner. Donner60 (talk) 02:56, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
  • Douglas Stringfellow B class. U.S. Army private injured by an S-mine after two weeks in Europe. One-term U.S. Congressman from Utah who greatly exaggerated his service and had to withdraw from re-election effort after the truth about his service was disclosed and he admitted the exaggerations. Donner60 (talk) 03:07, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
  • Dragoljub Prcać B class. Checked and confirmed for contest. Donner60 (talk) 00:42, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
  • East River Column B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:21, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
  • Execution of Sambhaji B class. The article does not convince me that Sambhaji, a king of the Marathas, who was overthrown and killed by the Mughals, was a military commander of any sort. I don't rule out that he was in charge of the defense of the fort that the Mughals eventually took, although they later found Sambaji in a temple. Donner60 (talk) 01:52, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
  • Georg Bell B class. Arguably not in scope if SA is not considered a military organization and, also, if Bell's private service as a spy and contractor for Ernst Rohm was not military, Bell was not notable for military service. Not shown to be notable for WWI service. Leaving this comment for anyone wishing to look at it to possibly find not within scope. Donner60 (talk) 01:35, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
  • George W. Martin (Missouri politician) Sourced only to two obituaries. Close call if within scope. Seems to need further consideration. Donner60 (talk) 01:46, 22 April 2025 (UTC) strike through; veteran activity in addition to service probably enough to keep project banner. Donner60 (talk) 03:09, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
  • German war crimes during the invasion of Poland B class. Long article (286 citations) translated from Polish Wikipedia with some small edits by another Polish Wikipedia who occasionally edits on this Wikipedia. Donner60 (talk) 02:03, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
  • Great Blow B class. "The Great Blow was a pro-royalist riot and resultant explosion that took place on 24 April 1648 in Norwich during the Second English Civil War." The riot ultimately was put down by New Model Army soldiers. Donner60 (talk) 02:54, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
  • Günter Kutzschebauch B class. Donner60 (talk) 03:01, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
  • Hubert de Seguins-Pazzis B class. Donner60 (talk) 03:04, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
  • Hwasong-19 B class. Donner60 (talk) 03:07, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
  • Invasion of Als (1658) Reassess as start with this edit summary: "Reassess as Start due to unclear phrases or sentences (e.g. "On 8 December which withdrew") and grammatical errors, mainly run-on sentences that should be divided." Donner60 (talk) 03:20, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
  • James Walker (RCAF officer) B class. Checked and confirmed for contest. Donner60 (talk) 00:37, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
  • Java War B class. Donner60 (talk) 09:24, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
  • John M. Curran Retain B class but remove project banner. Edit summary: remove military history project banner; military service in Spanish-American War does not add to notability; (first party to land in Cuba engaged in engineering projects and building bridges per National Biography source - but even if it were combat, it is likely he would not have been notable for military service nor would his service contribute to notability). Donner60 (talk) 02:44, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
  • John Thomas MacKall B class. Donner60 (talk) 03:31, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
  • Jonas Galvydis-Bykauskas B class although I added a clarification needed tag for an unclear sentence. Donner60 (talk) 03:41, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
  • Kanta Kotal C class; edit summary: "reassess as C class for military history project; major points and text from a publication in the Ruler of Kebbi section are without citations, fails b1". Donner60 (talk) 02:56, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Killing of Eileen Quinn Removed project banner with this edit summary "removed military history project banner; not within the scope of the project; this article is about the murder of a civilian by one or more policeman, members of a constabulary, Black and Tans article makes clear that this was not a military unit." Kept B assessment in banner shell. Donner60 (talk) 01:56, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
  • Konstantin Kuznetsov B class. Donner60 (talk) 02:47, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
  • KRI Bung Hatta B class. Donner60 (talk) 03:02, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Kyai Maja B class. Donner60 (talk) 03:11, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Lebanon–Syria border clashes (March 2025–present) B class. I supported proposal to merge with Hezbollah-Syria border clashes with caveat that this might be kept and renamed because of denials that the "Lebanese tribesmen" are connected to Hezbollah. Donner60 (talk) 03:37, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Liechtenstein in World War II B class. Donner60 (talk) 03:44, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
  • Linda L. Fagan Reassess as C-class with this edit summary: "reassess as C class, fails b1, no citations for Awards and Decorations". Donner60 (talk) 03:50, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
  • Malik ministry Removed project banner: Edit summary: "remove military history banner as not within scope of project; keep B class assessment; article is about a ministry of East Pakistani civilians - possibly under military control and was dispersed by Indian air raid in support of Bangladesh insurgents, these tangential military aspects covered by other articles such as Bangladesh Liberation War".
  • March 2025 Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip Another. Donner60 (talk) 23:20, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Momčilo Gruban B class. Civilian and reserve policeman; was a shift commander at a Bosnian Serb concentration camp for supporters of Bosnian independence and in support of Serbian and Bosnian Serbian forces. Later convicted of war crimes in Bosnial. Ties into Bosnian War so appears to be within scope despite Gruban's non-military status. Donner60 (talk) 04:36, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Nicole Gee B class. Donner60 (talk) 09:30, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
  • Peter Lefevre B class. Checked and confirmed for contest. Donner60 (talk) 00:39, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
  • Pyotr Morgunov B class. Donner60 (talk) 04:39, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Rape during the occupation of Manchuria B class. Donner60 (talk) 06:07, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Russian conquest of the Astrakhan Khanate Reassess as start, b1 and b4 no because of overall quality; might be b2 but mainly foreign sources. Edit summary: Reassess as start for military history project and in banner shell. As pointed out on the talk page, referencing is a mess, including many sources listed but not used (at most should be in a Further Reading section), red links and errors in format; several run-on sentences with several disparate thoughts or facts in one sentence; a link to a redirect, another to actual title, link to a common generic terms such as "birthday",punitive expedition"."Donner60 (talk) 07:18, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Russian landing ship Ivan Gren C class; edit summary "reassess as C class for military history project and in banner shell; citation(s) should be provided for all the specifications in the inbox either with a single citation that covers them all or individual citations for each specification if not all found together, the specifications are not repeated in the text with proper citations which would be an alternative to putting them in the infobox."
  • Russian landing ship Pyotr Morgunov C class; same edit summary as Russian land ship Ivan Gren just above
  • Sentot Prawirodirdjo B class. One citation is a book which is a biography in English but not accessible; all other sources are in Indonesian. B class in form, one source being in English appears to support credibility of article. Also a recent DYK. Donner60 (talk) 08:24, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Shalom Nagar Edit summary "removed military history project banner; Nagar not notable for military service prior to being a civilian prison guard and executioner of Eichmann; article not about Eichmann, even Eichmann's trial has not had the project banner added."
  • SMS V180 B class. Donner60 (talk) 00:48, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
  • Spain and the American Civil War B class. Discounting "which?" in reference to other Latin American countries; footnote preceding template is in a foreign language. I consider this insufficient to downgrade article, subject to a second opinion, of course. Donner60 (talk) 03:30, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
  • Spanish cruiser Blas de Lezo B class. Donner60 (talk) 00:59, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
  • The Five Yanks B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:13, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Tomás de Melo B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:25, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Truce of Malestroit B class. Checked and confirmed for contest. Donner60 (talk) 00:49, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
  • Viktor Samsonov B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:28, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Vitaly Ivanov B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:33, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Vladimir Andreyev (admiral) B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:41, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Vladimir Boldyrev B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
  • War of Deposition against Jöns Bengtsson Oxenstierna Start class. All foreign language sources (name of war?); edit summary: reassess as start class; fails b2, inadequate explanation of persons and continuity of events; fails b4; run-on sentences and more than one thought in a sentence - with some additions and clarifications, could go back to B"
  • Xiao Yedan Removed project banner; Edit summary: "removed military history project banner; Xiao Yeng, had no military service, he was a tribal leader; no significant military event here: "Xiao Yedan then led the main force of the Central Red Army into the area, where they were received by the local Yi people. With the assistance of the Yi people, the Central Red Army successfully passed through the region. Xiao and the Red Army leader formed a brotherhood ("alliance"); a minor event of the Long March, not even mentioned in that article"
  • Željko Mejakić B class. Checked and confirmed for contest by Hog Farm. Donner60 (talk) 00:51, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

MilHistBot (talk) 00:10, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Mentor reviewer for Byzantine Empire

The Byzantine Empire is currently a FARC and it would be shame if it gets delisted. I'm asking if there is anyone who can help help get involved in the FAR process as an experienced mentor. We have a list of issues we know we need to address, but having someone with more experience can ensure ongoing contributions and talk discussions are balanced correctly, and this person can guide us to get this article out of the review stage by identifying deficiencies and their remediation for FA standard. Biz (talk) 00:45, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:I have added this request to the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history for notice to more project members. There are former coordinators and many experienced users who might be able to help with this. They may read the general project talk page but may not necessarily read this coordinator talk page. Thanks for posting this. Donner60 (talk) 03:43, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

This month in military history

{{@MILHIST}} I tried to set up a draft section, task 10, for a this month in military history section at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators/Newsroom. I removed it because it did not look correct to me. If we are to keep this section in the Bugle this month, someone with more familiarity at doing this, as Hawkeye7 did last month, will need to set it up in the newsroom or on a separate page to be incorporated later and let the other coordinators know it is available for editing. Thanks. Donner60 (talk) 03:32, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

: I'll try to check on Thursday or Friday if nobody has gotten to this by then. Hog Farm talk 03:38, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

:I have created it. I need to do a little more work before it is fully automated, so I will do each month in 2025. Eventually, it will all be done automagically. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:26, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks for this. Nick-D (talk) 09:47, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

ACR for May

=Assessments=

=Reassessments=

There are no current reassessments. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 15:51, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

AutoCheck report for April

The following articles were rated as B class by automatic assessment:

  • 1954-1955 Dhabyani coup attempt B class. Barely within the scope, if at all, as I read it. Donner60 (talk) 03:16, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
  • 2011 Dhabyani coup attempt Removed project banner. Edit summary: removed military history project banner; no military involvement in the events in the article; the sentence "After the Arab spring and due to perceived instability by the coup attempts the UAE began to centralize their armed forces around the President and undertake a massive increase in military spending" does not deal with the event and is not enough to bring it within scope of the project."
  • 2011 Hotan attack B class. Another close call due to Chinese organization of various forces. Article is about a jihadi terrorist attack on civilians and a police station of the People's Armed Police. The article on that organization describes it as: "Unlike the civilian People's Police, the PAP is a specialized paramilitary force reporting directly to the Central Military Commission (CMC). Only for that reason is it within the scope. Otherwise, it is about civilian terrorists attacking civilians and a law enforcement unit. Donner60 (talk) 00:50, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
  • 2025 Pahalgam attack B class. Recent Pakistan-based Islamist terrorist attack on civilians in Kashmir. Indian military response and skirmishes with Pakistanis in aftermath appears to bring it within scope of project. Donner60 (talk) 00:57, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
  • 2025 Russian spring offensive B class. Redirected to Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (1 January 2025 – present) All entries have citations. Now a very long article (more than 309,00 bytes), with a possibly too long template at top. Donner60 (talk) 01:06, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
  • 2025 Sumy airstrike B class. Russian airstrike on Ukranian city of Sumy during Palm Sunday service time. Donner60 (talk) 01:02, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Adolph G. Rosengarten B class. Within scope based on notability as being in charge of medicinal chemicals in the medical section of the War Industries Board In World War I. Not so much for Spanish-American War service. Donner60 (talk) 04:16, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Afghanistan War Memorial, Kyiv B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:38, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Agus Isrok Mikroj B class but if there was ever a question about whether the subject of an article about a current general was notable, this article about a current Indonesian brigadier general with a checkered past and seemingly modest career might be it. Donner60 (talk) 01:44, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Agustín Remiro B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:55, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Aleksandr Oryol B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:59, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Antoine-Nicolas le Sage de Fontenay B class. Donner60 (talk) 02:01, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Antonio Téllez Solà B class. Anarchist and guerrilla leader in limited action and somewhat minor roles. Later a military historian and biographer of Augstin Remiro among others. Overall within scope and notable (though marginal, IMO). Donner60 (talk) 02:13, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Battle of Cynoscephalae (364 BCE) Already promoted to GA. Donner60 (talk) 04:18, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Battle of Marion Downgraded from GA after reassessment with no action to improve article. Donner60 (talk) 05:05, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Byzantine Empire Downgraded from FA after reassessment with no action to improve article. Donner60 (talk) 05:08, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Cave Johnson Couts B class. Military service appears to contribute to notability but Couts would not be notable for that alone. Donner60 (talk) 04:24, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Charles H. MacDowell B class. Donner60 (talk) 06:04, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Crimean campaign in Hatuqay (1551) B class in form, though relatively brief. All foreign language sources except one has an English summary before the text. That has some defects as it appears to be a translation of the article summary. Donner60 (talk) 02:21, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Donald Trump Arlington National Cemetery incident Removed project banner with this edit summary: "removed military history project banner; not within the scope of the project; see Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history; kept B class assessment." Donner60 (talk) 02:49, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Eduardo Val B class. Had to think about whether within scope but although an anarcho-syndicalist labor leader, he apparently directed some resistance actions against the Franco forces in the Spanish Civil War. Donner60 (talk) 02:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Eric K. Little B class. U.S. Army two star general who seems to be notable mostly for getting fired in 2023 as the National Guard's top general for personnel after an investigation by the Army's inspector general found he had been credibly accused of "sexism" and leading an office that was the center of "a toxic cacophony of misconduct." There was "frat house behavior behavior that can lead to sexual assault." He was given a "special assignment" and allowed to retire soon thereafter. Whatever this may mean about overall notability. Donner60 (talk) 02:55, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Eskild Andersen Kongsbakke B class. Seems more notable as a Danish governor of an enclave in part of India than as a military leader. Led a small force that was reduced over time and he was the only Dane left in the colony. Later he had to contend with other officials sent from Denmark and their control of a small force. Donner60 (talk) 03:08, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Fort Williamsburg Another close call but it may not be within the scope of the project. A "private military fortification" built "as a base for the Carnarvon Militia." The militia was a local defence force. It was part of a larger estate in Wales. The article seems to suggest that the fort saw little use and any such use would have been for a brief period of time, if it was used at all. I will leave this open for another opinion. If no one wishes to classify this, after a period of time, I am inclined to judge this as not within the scope of the project. Donner60 (talk) 01:35, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Frank A. Scott B class. Mainly a businessman and government official. First head of the War Industries Board for a few months in 1917. Chief of the Cleveland Ordnance Division from 1924 to 1928 with a colonel's commission in the U.S. Army. Perhaps this is enough to contribute to his notability. Not yet striking. Donner60 (talk) 03:37, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
  • French ironclad floating battery Dévastation B class. Checked and confirmed for contest. Donner60 (talk) 05:13, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Gennady Suchkov B class. Donner60 (talk) 03:12, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
  • German air raid on Rennes (1940) B class. Only flaw is short lead but not enough to downgrade assessment, IMO. Donner60 (talk) 03:19, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Glenn O. Barcus Start. Fails B1 (disputed section and peacock terms) and B2 (works cited without pages) Lineagegeek (talk) 22:47, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
  • HMS Mastiff (1914) B class. Checked and confirmed for contest. Donner60 (talk) 05:16, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
  • HMS Sparrowhawk (1918) B class. Checked and confirmed for contest. Donner60 (talk) 05:16, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
  • HSwMS Svea B class. Checked and confirmed for contest. Donner60 (talk) 05:16, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Hugh Eliot B class. Checked and confirmed for contest. Donner60 (talk) 05:10, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Hwanhaejangseong B class. Fortification and walls originally built on the Korean island of Jeju. Expanded and used into 20th century when much of it was ruined by modern road construction. Donner60 (talk) 03:27, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Inspekteur der Sicherheitspolizei und des SD B class. Added this to disambiguation page IDS, redirected from IdS. This page is still likely to be hard to find, IMO. Donner60 (talk) 02:53, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Iranian support for the Houthis B class. Donner60 (talk) 23:11, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Ivan Rogov B class. Donner60 (talk) 23:16, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
  • James Catlin Craufurd B class. Rather thin article. Donner60 (talk) 23:20, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
  • John Mead (British Army officer) Moved to draft by User scope creep. Donner60 (talk) 02:46, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Jolo expedition (1630) Reassess as start. Edit summary: "reassess Start for military history project fails b2 title is Jolo expedition, first sentence calls it Sulu expedition, two sentence lead, very brief coverage, part of which refers to another expedition; fails b4, run on sentences, a few errors in grammar or wording."
  • Kenneth Mackenzie (RAF officer) B class. Checked and confirmed for contest. Donner60 (talk) 05:01, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Killing of Michael Ovsjannikov Yet another close call about scope this month, IMO. See also has articles on four similar incidents: civilians killed by U.S. servicemen while off duty. Two are shown on talk pages as within the scope of the project and two are not. Eventually here there was a U.S. court martial, and not guilty sentence for only one of two possible offenders still under indictment as the Germans were required under the NATO status of forces agreement to turn the matter over to the U.S. military. I'll leave this for further judgment on whether it is within the scope. If I had to decide, I think I would put it within the scope because of the effect on the German public of a civilian being murdered by a U.S. serviceman and the subsequent military tribunal finding the one remaining accused soldier not guilty (or perhaps not guilty because not proven he was actually the responsible party), Donner60 (talk) 01:55, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
  • KT-73 B class. I suspect that all of the sister ships listed below will be confirmed as B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:17, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
  • KT-75 B class. Donner60 (talk) 06:13, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
  • KT-77 B class. Donner60 (talk) 06:15, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
  • KT-78 B class. Donner60 (talk) 06:17, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
  • KT-79 B class. Donner60 (talk) 06:19, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
  • KT-83 B class. Donner60 (talk) 06:22, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
  • KT-84 B class. Donner60 (talk) 06:25, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
  • KT-85 B class. Donner60 (talk) 06:27, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
  • KT-86 B class. Donner60 (talk) 06:28, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Li Tao (general) B class. Donner60 (talk) 06:32, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Louis des Balbes de Berton de Crillon, 1st Duke of Mahón B class for project. Has GA template overall from 2017 but review on page isn't clear. Donner60 (talk) 07:33, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Marcelino Massana B class. Donner60 (talk) 07:38, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
  • North Korean destroyer Choe Hyon B class. (after significant editing by User:The ed17) Donner60 (talk) 07:05, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Offensive into Swedish Pomerania (1659) Reassess as Start class. Edit summary: "reassess as start for military history project and in banner shell; fails b4 due to grammatical errors, imprecise wording." Can't be sure about b2 due to foreign sources so not changing "yes". Leaving open for awhile in case other coordinators or experienced users wish to upgrade (or edit and upgrade) article. Donner60 (talk) 02:00, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Operation Flamboyan C class. Edit summary "reassess as C class, fails b2 because two sentence lead does not adequately summarize the article." A few of the sentences could be clearer but did not add that to edit summary. Donner60 (talk) 02:14, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Operation Sunrise (2019) B class. Donner60 (talk) 02:24, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  • ORP Łoś B class. Donner60 (talk) 02:54, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Ortiz Column B class. Another Spanish Civil War article. More clearly within scope. Donner60 (talk) 03:12, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Pacification of Skłoby B class. Burning of village and mass shooting of 265 Polish civilians by Nazi German police, paramilitary and SS units. Donner60 (talk) 03:21, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Pavel Abankin B class. Another Soviet admiral. Donner60 (talk) 03:27, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Raid on Tybee Island B class. Barely within scope, if at all. Article notes that sources differ on some details and even about any military involvement. Somewhat minor early American Revolutionary War event. A few sources check out but not mentioned in several books in my library about the war, including A Guide to the Battles of the American Revolution by Savas and Dameron. Donner60 (talk) 07:25, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Robert L. Edmonson II C class. Edit summary: "reassess as C class; fails b1, citation needed tag for awards and decoration"
  • Russian landing ship Aleksandr Nikolayev C class. Edit summary for all Russian landing ship articles: "reassess as C class, fails b1, information in inbox is not verified by citations there and is not repeated in text with citations." All but one and occasionally two sources are in Russian. Donner60 (talk) 06:58, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Russian landing ship Aleksandr Shabalin C class. Donner60 (talk) 06:57, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Russian landing ship Georgy Pobedonosets C class. Donner60 (talk) 06:57, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Russian landing ship Kaliningrad C class. Donner60 (talk) 06:57, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Russian landing ship Kondopoga C class. Donner60 (talk) 06:57, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Russian landing ship Korolyov C class. Donner60 (talk) 06:57, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Russian landing ship Mitrofan Moskalenko C class. Donner60 (talk) 06:57, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Russian landing ship Nikolai Filchenkov C class. Donner60 (talk) 06:57, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Russian landing ship Nikolai Vilkov C class. Donner60 (talk) 06:57, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Russian landing ship Orsk C class. Donner60 (talk) 06:57, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Russian landing ship Oslyabya C class. Donner60 (talk) 06:57, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Russian landing ship Peresvet C class. Donner60 (talk) 06:57, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Rutger Fuchs B class. Biography section probably could be split into two or three sections. Donner60 (talk) 03:42, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Saint-Barthélemy affair C class. Edit summary: "reassess as C class, a citation needed tag has been added so b1 yet to be satisfied; only marginally military history, mostly law enforcement against pirates." Donner60 (talk) 23:44, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Sean Barbabella B class. Donner60 (talk) 07:54, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Self-Portrait as a Soldier B class. No citation for an introductory sentence to a section but the three sub-sections cover it. Not enough to downgrade. Most of the article is not military history but seems to be within scope under no. 8 of what we cover. Donner60 (talk) 00:36, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Siege of Mirpur This article could use at least one other review by another coordinator or experienced user. Has a template about cleanup needed due to repeated information. It appears the problem may have been handled by later edits but I am not sure about that or about whether other problems remain. I am leaving the B class assessment but, again, am inviting further review. Donner60 (talk) 02:51, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Siege of Stettin (1659) Reassess as Start. Edit summary: "reassess as start class, fails b4 due to strange phrasing and grammatical errors; whether b2 met not entirely clear but not changing that at this time." Not as bad as to b4 as some other articles by editor but still not up to b4. Would take too much time to copy edit. Not striking for now. Perhaps other views on the assessment or number of needed edits, and whether just copy edits. Donner60 (talk) 02:06, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • SMS S52 (1915) B class. Donner60 (talk) 06:11, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Soviet Soldiers Cemetery, Suwałki B class. Donner60 (talk) 07:19, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Spanish patrol boat Arnomendi B class. Donner60 (talk) 02:01, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Sutiyoso B class. Another Indonesian general and then politician. Donner60 (talk) 01:04, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Thomas Nelson Perkins B class. But close call as to within scope, IMO. Counsel to War Industries Board in WWI. A government agency coordinating purchasing for Army and Navy and a few other functions. Not especially notable for this service and no military service - unlike Adolph G. Rosengarten. Yet the Board is assessed by the project. So I will leave it that way unless another reviewer thinks this should be outside scope before I strike this later. Donner60 (talk) 00:58, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Tibetan conquest of the Tarim Basin B class. Brief article with two sentence lead but "checks all the boxes" for B. Donner60 (talk) 00:35, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Valentin Ponikarovsky B class. Another Soviet admiral. All Russian sources. Donner60 (talk) 00:30, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Velvalee Dickinson B class. American civilian who spied for Japan in WWII. A few similar articles involving civilian spies have been assessed as within scope but at least a few others do not have the project banner. Donner60 (talk) 02:18, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Vladimir Valuyev B class. A few sentences about personal life are in present tense; no problem now since he is still alive. Donner60 (talk) 07:57, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
  • Zamzam and Abu Shouk refugee camp massacres B class. Several attacks by The Rapid Support Forces (RSF) a paramilitary force formerly operated by the government of Sudan but now in conflict with the Sudanese Armed forces. RSF denies responsibility. Considered within scope as actions during the ongoing Sudanese Civil War. Perhaps there could be other opinions on whether within scope but I am striking this one as within scope, at least for now. Donner60 (talk) 03:07, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

MilHistBot (talk) 00:10, 1 May 2025 (UTC)

AutoCheck report for May

The following articles were rated as B class by automatic assessment:

  • 1991 Zeila incursion B class. An incident of the Somaliland War of Independence. Three paragraphs about this in the main article. This seems to have enough additional information to be a separate article. Donner60 (talk) 04:29, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • 2025 Machh bombing Comment: Has template: "It has been suggested that this article be merged into Terrorist incidents in Pakistan in 2025. (Discuss) Proposed since May 2025." The Terrorist incidents article is a list with only a sentence on each incident. Proposal has two supports already. I am deferring assessment review because of the proposal. Otherwise, I think it meets B class criteria. Donner60 (talk) 06:36, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
  • 2025 Waziristan drone strike B class. But this is similar to the Machh bombing except locals are blaming the strike on civilians as an attack by the Pakistani Army whereas the Pakistani Army claims that jihadist terrorist are actually to blame. Article states that both parties use drones. No template at this time about merger with the list article above. Donner60 (talk) 07:09, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Battle of Kalyani (1543) Reassess as C class. Has template stating the "article provides insufficient context for those unfamiliar with the subject." It does appear rather sparse. Donner60 (talk) 07:14, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Battle of La Rothière B class. Checked previous B class assessment by User:Aeengath. Donner60 (talk) 00:54, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Battle of Ratanpur C class. Edit summary: "reassess as C class for military history project; perhaps should be deleted since writer has been T-banned; clearly incomplete, with biased language and apparently without both sides of matter being covered." Not striking as perhaps this will be subject to further developments or review. Editor a party to an arb com action scheduled to close June 22. Donner60 (talk) 03:52, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Battle of Troia B class. By a new user with 69 edits. Mostly foreign language sources but at least one English source appears to check out. Donner60 (talk) 03:57, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Battle of Zinjibar (2011–2012) B class. Long article with an undergoing expansion template. From the lead "The Battle of Zinjibar was a battle between forces loyal to Yemeni leader Ali Abdullah Saleh and Islamist militant forces, possibly including elements of al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), for control of the town of Zinjibar and its surroundings as part of the wider insurgency in the self-declared Al-Qaeda Emirate in Yemen. Many of the Islamist forces operating in Abyan province refer to themselves as Ansar al-Sharia ("Partisans of Sharia")." Donner60 (talk) 04:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Battles of Vicenza (1848) B class. Two sources; article mostly from one source. Donner60 (talk) 04:08, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
  • British expedition to Palembang B class. Part of the British campaigns in the East Indies, 1811-1816. Donner60 (talk) 04:14, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Bruno Stolle B class. Checked request for assessment after bot assessment. Donner60 (talk) 00:50, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Chŏng Hyŏllyong B class. Editor explained that interwiki links was used and my original review was incorrect. Donner60 (talk) 06:52, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
  • First English Civil War, 1643 B class but except for a citation about an archaeological site, the article is based entirely on one 1911 out of copyright source. Donner60 (talk) 07:01, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Flag Officer Naval Aviation (India) Reassess as CL. Edit summary: "reassess as CL; this is basically a list article, also there are no citations for some of the names on the list."
  • French aviso Amiens B class. Checked and confirmed for contest after bot assessment. Donner60 (talk) 02:34, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Fulani-Mossi conflict C class. Edit summary: "reassess as C class, fails b1 because a current citation has a cite error and is not defined, citation needed tag added, can be restored to B class when problem is fixed." I tried to find the source among several citations that can be accessed but could not find a statement that matched the text. Donner60 (talk) 05:39, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Government Code and Cypher School B class. Donner60 (talk) 02:44, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
  • HNLMS Tankboot I C class. Edit summary "reassess as C class for military history project and in banner shell; fails b1, no citations for information in infobox which is not repeated in text with citations". Donner60 (talk) 03:45, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • HSwMS Gefle B class. Donner60 (talk) 03:48, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Kanta Kotal B class. An editor added citations in response to my cn tags yesterday. Donner60 (talk) 04:51, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Kedopok War B class. "a peasant uprising in Probolinggo, East Java, in May 1813 during British rule in Java" Donner60 (talk) 05:02, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
  • KT-76 B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:15, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  • KT-87 B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:17, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  • KT-88 B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:18, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  • KT-89 B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:20, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  • KT-90 B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:22, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  • KT-91 B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:24, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  • KT-92 B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:26, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Kuk Kyŏngin B class. All Korean language sources. Donner60 (talk) 02:40, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Lajes War Cemetery B class. Donner60 (talk) 06:40, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Lech (1904) B class. Polish warship. Donner60 (talk) 04:57, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Manifesto of the Thirty-Five Comment: I am inclined to remove the project banner but I think one or more others should express an opinion as to whether this qualifies as historiography, broadly speaking. It is an article about an anarchist manifesto in opposition to participation in World War I, not about any military person or action. Donner60 (talk) 05:14, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
  • María Pérez Lacruz B class. A woman who supported the anarchist rebels against the nationalists (Francoists) in the Spanish Civil War. She worked as a military nurse on the Teruel front, where she opened a field hospital for the militia column. After being wounded she left the front to work in a munitions factory. She was later arrested and executed by the Franco regime. Appears to have enough connection to military history to be within the scope of the project. Donner60 (talk) 05:21, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Mobile Defence Corps B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:23, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Operation Black Forest B class. Info about the operation not much longer than long paragraph in the main article. Content fork? Donner60 (talk) 05:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • ORP Bizon B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:23, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • ORP Bóbr B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:26, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • ORP Delfin (1959) B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:28, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • ORP Dzik (1957) B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:31, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • ORP Foka B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:34, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • ORP Gardno B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:37, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • ORP Ryś (1959) B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:39, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • ORP S-3 B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:44, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • ORP Tur B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:48, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • ORP Żubr B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:51, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Pettorano massacre B class. Has an orphan tag, which likely can be fixed. All foreign language sources. An incident near the end of the Unification of Italy Donner60 (talk) 04:57, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Romanian Battlegroup Getica B class (in form). Short article with two sentence lead. Claims and counterclaims about this group noted in article. All but one source are foreign language. The one source in English is about a Romanian volunteer who has not been a member of this group. Donner60 (talk) 06:11, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Sack of Yogyakarta B class. British action in 1812 during their brief takeover of Java, or at least part of it. Donner60 (talk) 04:47, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Samuel D. Sturgis Jr. B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:33, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Siege of Santhome B class. More definitive sources on a few points, at least, would be desirable, however. Donner60 (talk) 04:55, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Siege of Trieste (1813) B class. "...an action of the War of the Sixth Coalition, part of the Napoleonic Wars". Donner60 (talk) 21:23, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
  • SMS V181 B class. Donner60 (talk) 03:53, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • SMS V182 B class. Donner60 (talk) 03:56, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Southern Syria clashes (April–May 2025) B class. Did not detect any obvious bias in this one. Donner60 (talk) 05:06, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • SS Empire Gem B class. Text footnote says sources differ as to whether cargo was gasoline or petroleum rather than kerosene. Kerosene is supported by the only two sources that can be searched and have info on cargo. Text itself says cargo was kerosene. I think the lack of citations in the footnote is too minor to downgrade assessment given that the text says cargo was kerosene and two citations support it. Donner60 (talk) 08:22, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
  • SS Venore B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:10, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  • The Stringer B class. Donner60 (talk) 04:07, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • The Terror of War B class. Donner60 (talk) 04:22, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Trevor Freeman B class. Checked and confirmed for contest. Donner60 (talk) 00:47, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
  • USCGC Dione B class. No citations in infobox. All specifications are not repeated in text but citations in text cover all of them. So I am leaving the B class assessment as it is. It is a good article overall. Donner60 (talk) 02:14, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • USCGC Point Divide B class. No nitpick on this one. Donner60 (talk) 02:17, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Vinod Bhatia B class. Recently rewritten, expanded and improved by Matarisvan. Donner60 (talk) 02:28, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Yuryev (1897) B class. Translated from Polish Wikipedia, foreign language sources. Assuming that specifications in infobox not repeated in text are covered by citations for those facts that are included. Donner60 (talk) 02:32, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

MilHistBot (talk) 00:10, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Arbitration Case opened, some preliminary statements made, Indian military history

{{@MILHIST}} A broad topic case on Indian military history has been accepted by the Arbitration Committee. Preliminary statements are being filed at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Indian military history/Preliminary statements. Statements are due by June 5.

Here is the beginning of the opening statement by Tamzin, the administrator who set the case in motion: "The military history of pre-Raj India has increasingly become a flashpoint for disputes on-wiki, correlating with contemporary Indian political disputes. This has come in two principal varieties: the historiography of established figures like Sambhaji and Shivaji, and military actions of questionable historicity such as the alleged Sikh–Wahhabi War. In many cases this correlates with caste, religious, and ethnic tensions, especially in disputes over the Deccan wars. Below I have included the 13 (that I could find) threads in the past 3 months concerning this topic area."

"I have selected parties (whose names are boldfaced in the table) based on having been sanctioned or warned or having participated in multiple threads in a potentially partisan manner. That's not to say that I think all of these editors have necessarily engaged in misconduct. Nor is it to say that no other parties should be added; Srijanx22 and LeónGonsalvesofGoa both come to mind as potential parties."

This presents a problem for the project because some articles on these topics have been bot assessed at B class and a few may have had assessments by coordinators or experienced users. We may not be aware that some of these articles have been or will be subject to conflicting, questionable or contentious editing. Battle of Ratanpur, an article written by a now topic banned user is listed as bot-assessed as B class in May. The user has been blocked at least twice and had several submissions rejected or deleted. I haven't decided how to assess this but I am inclined at least to change the assessment to C, failing b2.

I have been reviewing the B class assessments and discovered the arbitration case and overall problem when I looked at the user talk page of the author of the article. (I usually look at the author or update editor of a B class article up for B class assessment review. If I don't recognize the user, I quickly look at the user's contributions and talk page, which occasionally are of some interest.) Donner60 (talk) 04:41, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:From the preliminary statement page: "Target dates: Opened 22 May 2025 • Evidence closes 8 June 2025 • Workshop closes 15 June 2025 • Proposed decision to be posted by 22 June 2025." Donner60 (talk) 03:44, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

ACR for June

=Assessments=

=Reassessments=

There are no current reassessments. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:53, 20 June 2025 (UTC)