User talk:Valentinejoesmith/Archive 1#Precious

Hi. Thanks for discussing the issue. You really are mistaken in a sense that Ukraine without article is a consensus on WP. If you interested, see Ukraine and Name of Ukraine: the issue is discussed there en mass. I'll insist on removing the the.

As for Internal Troops/gendarmerie in general, it is beyond my priorities (unless we're talking about particular UA troops). However, the guy who asked me to copyedit and watch that article, might be interested more. Thanks, Ukrained 18:02, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

:I just saw you message to Ukrained. I was surprised the first time I encountered this one as well, but he's right; the use in English has shifted, and the definitive article is now omitted. The reason is probably that omitting it makes the name sound more like a "real" name of a country, and not a mere geographical region. Best regards. Valentinian ^(talk) 21:58, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia.

As happens for many things in real life, not everything is absolutely cut and dried with regard to "excommunicate" and "archbishop". But we can certainly continue to speak of Marcel Lefebvre as an archbishop. A priest remains a priest, even if he is excommunicated. And an archbishop remains an archbishop. It is much more doubtful whether someone who is dead may be spoken of as excommunicated, a penalty that applies to the living. Lima 04:16, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Number_of_the_Beast_%28disambiguation%29&diff=52910450&oldid=52908237] --Commander Keane 22:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi there! Thanks for volunteering to help! Actually, you can help on Internal Troops (and some other pages I hope) without your knowledge of local languages. What I have in mind is something theoretical :). You see, we lack a definition, a term, a classification there. I mean the subject (the troops) is described pretty well for now. But WHAT are those troops in military/legal terms: a gendarmerie? A military police (which I doubt)? A special kind of civil police? What about some "motorized rifle" (a term mentioned deep in the article by one of the authors)? So why don't we develop this issue? If you're OK with that, let's put our findings on the article's talkpage. Cheers, AlexPU 10:49, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

:About our first results: I read gendarmerie and became more convinced that our Internal Troops are gendarmes indeed. Going to study also military police.

:One more question, Valentine. Can you draw Wiki templates, tables, infoboxes and other HTML-related stuff?AlexPU 18:24, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello, I'm the french writer of this article [the former one, from Wiki-fr]. The "official" can be replace by the "main" trade partner. I mean UK became the de facto first trade partener.

About the "This article is inadequate, and I propose it be deleted.", I think this article have to be completly translate from french to english before to ask things like that. User:Yug 09:19, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

:That's fine, with just have to improve wikis :] Yug [[User talk:Yug|(talk)

]] 18:04, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for your corrections to the St. Agnes Cathedral stub.

Hey, thanks for your corrections to my recently written Mykola Tomenko!AlexPU 19:12, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I have given the "troll" (IP: 68.193.171.101) a subst:blatantvandal-n warning.

Cheers,

Jean-Paul 20:11, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I am completely unfamiliar with that user. I'm not sure what you are asking me. IrishGuy 08:14, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

:OK. It was the Pocahontas article. The user was putting in unsubstatiated nonsense as if it were fact. IrishGuy 19:38, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Valentinejoesmith. Thanks for all your work tagging speedies. I wanted to let you know that "spam" is not a speedy criteria (though I wish it was). I've been deleting your speedies for other reasons, usually because it was a non-notable thing/person/whatever. Have a read at WP:CSD for more. Thanks again for tagging. Cheers! --Fang Aili ^talk 20:15, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Joe, thanks for writing. I understand your concern, though you are mistaken on a couple counts. Number one, the user name is William Armstrong Percy, not William Alexander Percy. William Armstrong Percy is a cousin of William Alexander Percy, who was a successful southern writer in the earlier part of the twentieth century. He died in 1942.

Secondly, the person actually writing to is not William Armstrong Percy. My name is Aidan; I am a writer's assistant to Dr. Percy, part of which entails work on wikipedia, particularly in regards to his family, one of the south's most prominent families in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Dr. Percy has a wikipedia account, which I often use. If it would make you more comfortable, I'm happy to edit these articles under my own account name, so as to avoid any confusion.

You should know that there is an article up about Dr. Percy, at William Armstrong Percy, III, and I agree that it is bad form to have posted it under his name. However, the work is mine; I simply forgot under whose account I was editing. I will repost it under my own account. My sincerest apologies for the confusion. I am relatively new to the wikipedia community and therefore am still working some of the kinks out. I appreciate your message. William percy 20:24, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Joe. Can you please be a little more clear with me? Are you suggesting that I not post the article about Dr. Percy at all, even under a different account? I didn't exactly understand your last message; it sounded like you were being a little inimical about grammar and such, but I'm assuming that I simply read it incorrectly.

Furthermore, the outing article seems perfectly legitimate. Dr. Percy has written one of the three major books on outing, and in writing that article, we not only worked from his book, but from the other two important contributions - the Signorile book and the Larry Gross book - so that the article would be balanced and offer due credit to all relevant parties. I look forward to your response. William percy 20:41, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

My initial cursory examination doesn't indicate a hoax or vanity; I'm willing to assume good faith and say it's legit. Though I would not be opposed to an AfD and getting some other opinions. --Fang Aili ^talk 20:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I have finished with my changes to the Léon Weil article. Please expand it as you see fit, but be sure to give references. The original French article can be found at [:fr:Léon Weil]]. You may also want to change some of the categories or links. TruthbringerToronto 23:39, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:Working Man's Barnstar.png for his tagging of ye aresload of speedy deletes. Thank you! --Fang Aili ^talk 01:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)]]

I don't mind at all, I just think it needs to be seriously wikified. skorpion 02:48, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I have moved the page to Hebrew High School of New England in line with the name on their website. skorpion 02:56, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

okie doike. I have seriously modified article. Take a look see. Hebrew High School of New England V. Joe 03:02, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Please use appropriate tags. I know that to the admins they just want to know to speedy it, but to someone creating their first article it is a horrible affront. If you were twelve and heard there was a place online where you anyone could contribute and you wrote an article on yourself, only to have it called "nonsense" just seconds after creating it, YOU WOULD CRY or at the very least never want to have anything to do with the project. We have some very young (i.e. 13 or 14) admins here so young contributors are valuable as well. We have more descriptive templates than {{tl|d}} for a reason. If you can't be bothered to use more descriptive tags properly, than please use {{tl|d}}, but please don't tag incorrectly, especially with {{deletebecause|nonsense.}}. That's just rude. —WAvegetarian•(talk) 04:00, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

:Sorry for the strong response, but I've been personally involved with some new contributors who have been bitten to the point that they left. You are doing good and necessary work as a NP patroller. As you seem to have made this the bulk of your contributions to the wiki, I advise you to take a look at WP:CSD. Each criteria has its own abbreviated template which you can use. Most have both an extra short and a medium short, e.g. {{tl|db-a7}} and {{tl|db-bio}} for articles about people or clubs that don't make a claim of notability. There is also {{tl|db-band}} for non-notable band articles. Two more that you will often have use for are {{tl|db-a6}} or {{tl|db-attack}} (articles created primarily to attack the subject) and {{tl|db-a1}} (a catch all for extremely short articles that don't give any meaningful content or context). You can see the message created by each by clicking on the links. Thanks for all your work. —WAvegetarian•(talk) 04:13, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't know who this person is either. Why do you bring him up? 04:43, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Huh? I'm not really sure what you're talking about, but in any event, happy editing. Tewfik^Talk 04:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

: No problem, keep up the good work. Tewfik^Talk 04:57, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I saw you added a few cases for mediation, thats good but you did do it slightly wrong (dont worry the complete process isn't clear). On the main page you just need the links to the mediation subpage (it is just a pointer) and no information. Then you follow the link (for example for your neni case: Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2006-06-08_neni) and paste this into the edit window: {{subst:medcab2}} Then hit save and the template will appear - you can then fill in this template wit hthe relevant info etc. for the case. This way you will quickly get a mediator assigned to the case. Thanks   talk 07:51, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, can't see a problem with your edit. I'm not sure if you thought that the sentence in question was one I inserted, it wasn't. Stu ^{’Bout ye!} 07:57, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Joe, you might check out Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion, particularly the section on deletion templates. Generally, they recommend that {{delete}} not be used. Try {{db|reason}} instead if you don't want to memorize all the templates (though memorizing them does make it a little easier. Cheers and good luck new page patrolling! --Kchase02 T 10:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

You may think I'm new. I'm not. This is my secondary account. If I was new, I wouldn't have all those help pages on my user page. Just wanted to let you know.

Mr. Mod 22:31, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

:ALL, PLEASE POST AT THE BOTTOM V. Joe 22:33, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I found this article during Recent Changes patrol. I don't think it meets the criteria for speedy deletion, but I do think it should be nominated at WP:AFD. I didn't want to change the template without speaking to you first.

(from user Gingko100)

:Sorry if I forgot to sign the first time. I'll change the template. Thanks! --Ginkgo100 ^{talk · contribs} 04:12, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I see you tagged this for speedy deletion. Please note that notability is not in itself a valid speedy deletion criterion. (see WP:CSD). It can only be used as a reason for speedy deletion when the article concerns a person of whom the notability is not addressed in the article. Please take the article to WP:AFD or WP:PROD instead. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:31, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I see you've tagged a lot of pages with speedy delete tags. To make the life of admins easier, can you please either give a bit more info about why the page should be deleted, rather than simply 'notability'. Notability per se is not a reason for deletion, but may bring the article into one of the categories for speedy delete. Please read WP:CSD carefully and use the appropriate reasoning from there. Also, it is helpful if you can use an edit summary with your edits to show what you have done to each page. Cheers. Kcordina ^Talk 10:08, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

VJoe- thanks for the hearty welcome! However, I am not really new to Wikipedia! [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=DavidBailey My contributions to Wikipedia.] I just don't have a cool user home page yet. Perhapsh I should put some effort into it. (grin) DavidBailey 11:55, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Please take a closer look at articles, before you throw a speedy delete on them. This page certainly does not meet the criteria, and might have been deleted, if it weren't on my watchlist. Ckessler 21:10, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

That's ok, I caught it. I appreciate the work you do on patrolling new pages. Ckessler 21:12, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I wanted to let you know that I removed the speedy deletion tag that you placed on this article because generally, olympic athletes are considered notable. I've also improved the article to reflect some of the sources that I found. Regards, Accurizer 21:41, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Wolfson

I understand you are an scientifically illiterate individual, but Prof. Wolfson is a well-known solar physicist and is an author of widely-used textbooks. Please do not insert the deletion-candidate tag based purely upon your (lack of) knowledge. -- Orz 22:05, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:CivilityV. Joe 22:10, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

can u help zsfzsf with his user page?

email him at zfleisher@shaw.ca

Can you help me put table of contents with links?

email me at zfleisher@shaw.ca

ZF: All you have to do is type topic and you've got a table of contents. Sorry, I don't do email accounts on wikipedia. Working as a New pages patroller predcludes that possibility. V. Joe 22:25, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Can you make a section for me with my user boxes?

No. I don't use user boxes, therefore I don't know how to. Might I suggest that you experiment? V. Joe 22:31, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

No. What I mean is that articles have a table of contents. Can you make all of my user boxes under a topic?

Not really, I'm not sure how to. V. Joe 22:33, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Could you find some one who could?

It would be better if you learnt how so you could do it in the future. Try the tutorial. V. Joe 22:36, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Is there a tutorial for user boxes/user pages? can you send me the link?

I don't know. Wiki design is not something I focus on. Just follow the links on the welcome someone left you. If you don't have one I'll leave it. Please sign your contributions with 4 tildes like this ~~~~ V. Joe 22:40, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

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On the speedy tag - info on Smith is currently monopolizing the economic democracy page, and I wanted to create a new home for it (as I suspect that phrase is by no means unique to Smith). It looks like Smith is some sort of cranky anti-corporate type, but his books are on Amazon, the IED is registered with the IRS, and his name popped up as giving presentations at various conferences, so he's likely going to squeak by the notability criteria. Let me move the stuff from the other article this evening, and you can remove the speedy tag at that time if you like. Once it's done it can be put up for AfD - I certainly have no strong views one way or the other. - David Oberst 22:18, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it looks like economic democracy may have been a redlink that User:Robbjedi tried to clean up, but only did enough research to find the Smith stuff. Most of the puffier info seemed to come in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Economic_democracy&diff=prev&oldid=27609436this later edit] by User:Roger4911, and then toned down[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Economic_democracy&diff=50971245&oldid=33441260] by an anon. I'll do some work on it tonight. - David Oberst 22:33, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

It is a private airline launched in Pakistan. It is owned one of the major financial institution in Pakistan. It could be considered a major news in aviation industry in Pakistan. Thanks for your concern and comment.

Siddiqui 22:56, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

:I am on a Wikibreak. Though I try to check things up once in a while. I will add more info in a week. Thanks.

:Siddiqui 23:02, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Dude, the template {{lorem ipsum}} is not a foreign language, it's a place-holder to mock up a page that isn't finished yet. No translate tag, please. Plus you missed the side bar that shows the cell software development article is intended to break out and expand existing material in cell microprocessor, but I'm trying not to muck with the main article until the pod-ships have landed. MaxEnt 23:12, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Oops V. Joe 23:13, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I understand you are trying to create an encyclopedia. What i write is facual and serious. I appoligive if it upsets people.Tyluthan 23:52, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the article :Rip This Joint, which you tagged for speedy deletion with the reason "it is patent nonsense", I wanted you to know that I have removed the speedy deletion tag. This article does not qualify for speedy deletion because patent nonsense means a jumble of words or letters that is incoherent to the point of being meaningless, like "\SOKZDHjngoaidjroqenb" or "My giraffe box eat break llama quack tyrannosaurus sticky tape". If you still want the article to be deleted, please use the WP:AFD process. Thanks! Stifle (talk) 00:17, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2006-06-08_neni/Active_Discussion

That is the link to your mediation discussion, which I will be mediating. Please respond on the discussion page, and also on my talk page that you received this. Danl 01:51, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

: updated

:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2006-06-08_neni

: check it out, and tell me what you think.

Thanks for that. I'd always sort of wondered what these were given for, so now I know. BigHaz 02:45, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I saw you tagged Pal Shazar for speedy deletion. Could I ask you if you could be a little more careful while doing speedies? That page made it clear that the band released 2 albums...which should at least be a clue that there might be some followup needed before deletion. Thanks! Rx StrangeLove 04:54, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Just to add a note....not properly tagging speedies creates more work and doesn't help out at all. I see a bunch of requests on your talk page to be more careful when tagging speedies. Please, do not place speedis tags on pages that do not qualify. Rx StrangeLove 04:58, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

You tagged the Pal Shazar page for speedy deletion based on the reason "does not assert the importance or significance of its subject". The article specifically indicated significant connections to other Wikipedia articles, plus other context and content. Please rely on more objective criteria based on the actual article, rather than on your lack of awareness about a particular subject. Please also consider that unjustified tagging for deletion might, ironically, be a type of vandalism. Thanks! x 19:50, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm not overly happy with it right now (I agree with you on the style issue) and I've asked for some input. You know how when you look at something for a long time and you know it's just not right, but damn if you can think of a way to fix it? That's me right now. AnnieHall 05:45, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

:: I understand the quotes, though I had been lead to believe that if there were more than 4 lines being quoted the text should be indented rather than placed in quotes. AnnieHall 05:45, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I noticed that you added some anti-spam messages to this user's page. You might want to move them to the user talk page, or he won't get the message alert. Joyous! | Talk 20:14, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

:*I think most of his stuff is a copyright violation, anyway. I dropped a message on his talk page asking if he had permission to post it here: so far, no response. If I don't get some sort of feedback from him soon, I can just speedy them all as blatant copyvios. I want to give him a chance, first, though. Joyous! | Talk 20:20, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Personally I would have it deleted as unverified. Even if it did actually happened, what sort of historical perspective can you get in two days time? I was on Recent_changes_patrol. This is how I noticed the article. --E Asterion ^{u talking to me?} 20:50, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

:I tried to NPOV it as much as possible. I also added the official response from both sides and a possible explanation in the last paragraph. Feel free to update it. Thanks, --E Asterion ^{u talking to me?} 21:25, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

::No problem. I just can't stand people using wikipedia as a soapbox, whatever side they are on. Regards, --E Asterion ^{u talking to me?} 21:30, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I think if you were at all familiar with the miniseries From the Earth to the Moon (HBO) you would understand why the cast list is so big and why recommending the list be merged with the article makes no sense, especially since you tagged it only 5 minutes or so after I moved it from the main article to begin with. I've removed the tag as it really makes no sense. If you want to discuss it further, I'm happy to.Michael Dorosh 21:51, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

You are absolutely right Rex Insularum would translate as King not Lord of the Isles. In fact both titles are completely out of place-I have never come across the designation Rex Insularum-which seems to be a pure invention here-and the title Lord of the Isles-Dominus Insularum-does not appear until the fourteenth century. Somerled was known to his Gaelic speaking contemporaries as ri Innse Gall-which translates as King of the Hebrides. I've made the necessary changes on the Somerled page. In general I would say to to you-on the assumption that you have an interest in aspects of Scottish history-always seek corroboration of the information uncovered. I have come across an unbelievable amount of nonsense on these pages.

Hope this helps.

Rcpaterson 23:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. The title Dominus Insularum-Lord of the Isles-was in fact assumed in 1336 by John MacDonald of Islay in a letter to Edward III, who, amongst other titles, was also known as Dominus Hibernie-Lord of Ireland. In this he was seeking confirmation of a land grant from Edward Balliol, who was trying to establish himself as King of Scotland with the help of the English. He could not style himself as 'king' because this would be a challenge to the accepted order of things. But Lord of the Isles-poetic or not-was still something fairly significant, greater than any earl or duke, and a companion of kings.

Rcpaterson 00:25, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

More like an under or sub king, a concept fairly familiar in the Gaelic and Celtic world.

Rcpaterson 02:16, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I already knew about the 4 ~ and have skimmed most of those pages. Thanks anyway though Falco1029 05:08, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello! The above AfD nomination was not correctly formatted. Have you read Template:AfD in 3 steps? This gives you the instructions for nominating an article for AfD and is usually infalliable.  (aeropagitica)  (talk)  07:34, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Valentinejoesmith. I redirected the article that you nominated for deletion, or redirection as it were. :-) You don't have to bring such matters to AfD, you can redirect the article yourself. You can also merge and move pages without an AfD nomination (in case you don't know). However, if the redirect, merge or move might be controversial, it is best to ask if there are any objections on the talk page first.

There was another problem with the nomination. An AfD subpage was not created. After putting the first AfD template ({{subst:afd1}} on an article and saving, you will see a red link to create an AfD subpage. You'll need to add some code and your reasoning for deletion to this page and then save it (the code is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#How to list pages for deletion). That subpage is where the discussion takes place. The Articles for Deletion page has instructions on the whole process. Let me know if you need any assistance or if I was unclear about something. Thanks, Kjkolb 07:46, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I have reverted the stub you added. Rationale is that it is not a stub at all. The page is an incomplete list. As such it is part of a family of currently incomplete lists whcih will become complete over time. Since the sole information they are to contain is the list itself they cannot logically be stubs. Fiddle Faddle 09:37, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I came accross your edits to a new of new articles, and you seem to make a large number of small edits in the space of a few minutes, frequently you back out the edit almost instantly or make a typo in the edit and then make another typo. The preview button lets you check your changes (and make sure categories and stub types exist) - before they are commited to the article history. Everyone makes mistakes, but having a large number of edits in the article history makes it confusing to review peoples changes (since a simple diff reveals nothing). Anyway. Good luck. Megapixie 10:13, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

"1) First of all, please post any additions to my talk page on the BOTTOM of the page. That way I can see them immediately" - Can do. Wouldn't want to inconvenience you unneccessarily, huh? Don't you hate it when people do that?

"2) You are correct, perhaps I should not have attached a speedy deletion to the article." - Yes, please be more careful.

"However, the article needs some work." - Nice little irrelevant dig.

"3) Please watch the copyright status of your pictures, etc." - That was a valid issue that was corrected, so don't worry aboout that. x 20:09, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

No problem, I don't like the sounds of "alleged" myself, even though it honestly nowadays seems to have been a media invention. If you have a better idea, that would be much welcome, though perhaps we should move to the article's talkpage since it's likely to generate other's attention as well. Any suggestions or improvements are welcome, though:) Sherurcij ^{(talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject)} 21:25, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

My reply

Sheruji: My biggest problem with the article besides "Alleged" is just that it makes the title (and therefore) seem a little hysterical. It reminds me of a Monty Python skit, truthfully. Although the article is balanced, paradoxically, as far as POV towards the existence of the shredder, sensationalism is also a form of POV imbalance. Personally I suspect something like that existed, but it was more the sort of sadism practiced by Uday Husseisn and that it didnt exist at Abu Gharib. AG, incidentally, bothers me, because it is clearly a historical prison as well as a political one, almost like Sing-Sing. Making AG about the scandals is rather like making the article on Sing-Sing about the Sacco and Venzetti (sp) trial. Sorry to be so pedantic, but my feels on the article are rather that of a pedant in nature. Thanks V. Joe 21:39, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

You know, it is not absolutely essential that the title of an article appear in the first few, words, so long as it shows up in the first line or two. Nevertheless, I have modified my article on Cerberus class battleships to meet what I feel are your over-strict requirements.--Anthony.bradbury 21:28, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi there: from the number of comments on this page, it is obvious that you have a deep involvement with Wiki: that's great; so do I. I have been editing about as long as you have. Could I suggest, in all humility, that if you feel that an article needs Wikifying, such as you indicated in respect of my article on Cerberus class battleships your initial approach might be to talk on my discussion page? I recognise fully that we all have the right to edit as mercilessly as seems appropriate, but entering a criticism indicating that an article is not correctly Wikified is not quite the same as editing.

I'm not trying to fight, and as my other communication says, have changed the first paragraph of the article. Talk to me.--Anthony.bradbury 21:41, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Reply

Hi again, see reply on your talk page. I've been a bit obessive lately, I admit, but my wiki-speed will probably slow when I get out of summer school. One last semester...V. Joe 21:45, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

:: Hi. May I wish you the best of luck with summer school; I hope all goes well for you.

My interest in ships, particularly warships, may well equal yours; just from the fact that you are in summer school I can infer that the duration of my interest must exceed yours. I am at present writing a series of articles on the ironclad warships of the Victorian era, starting with HMS Royal Sovereign. I have got as far as HMS Magdala. If you have any comments to make, I would be happy to receive them; my non-cyberspace friends do not know what a battleship is/was, never mind naming any.--Anthony.bradbury 22:02, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi again: as I am sure you know, HM Government and the US Government were hardly on speaking terms for many years after the War of 1812, which, in my opinion, was a result of significant idiocy on the part of both Governments.

My data on Erickson and Monitor dates from some time after the war, when tempers had cooled and data was available. I have no original data from the war period - my data relating to ships of the period derive from secondary sources. Sorry.--Anthony.bradbury 22:38, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

If you read Jewish Encyclopedia, you'll quickly learn that its copyright has expired. Thanks for your diligence tho. Cheers, Tomer^talk 22:54, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for adding stub. I will turn some keywords in this article into interwiki links. Fred Hsu 00:19, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

My wife is in law school and I am editing her first contribution to wiki. It is not really clear whether executive orders are real laws. But people have been treating them as such since their inception. It is right to tag it as a law stub. Fred Hsu 00:30, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

You're right I didn't verify sources in the article on Aneris. Now I have! Please check it and see if I did it right. Thanks! Binky The WonderSkull 06:59, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Just a little note. On your user page you might want to check the spelling of obessesive. ;) Binky The WonderSkull 07:01, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your addition to the Vedeneyev article on the M-14P engine. However, your addition to the motorcycle stub is incorrect - the engine is a 9-cylinder radial aeroplane engine. Please, next time, also fill in the Edit summary. Thanks. Daleh 09:36, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

=( Spaingy

Could you please explain me your reent edit to "Consorcio Jurídico Metropolitano"? Thanks. Esaborio 07:19, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. Esaborio 07:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi V. Joe. I've tidied the refs etc., making it pretty clear (unless challenged by later evidence) what happened. I don't think it was a hoax, though. The Palestinians almost certainly thought it was a stray IDF shell from the bombardment that had just finished. — JEREMY 09:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, man - I wouldn't have noticed that he was trying again ("Pizza Shop (film)" and "Pizza Shop (Film)" are different files, you see). I'm giving him one last chance before a block. DS 12:07, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Valentinejoesmith.

I'm Amandajm. I wrote that page as part of Michelangelo's biographical page, but it was a bit detailed- so the technical stuff got moved to one place and the Appraisal got a page on its own.

When I moved it, I inadvertently left the references behind. I have now pasted the references in. You will notice that several sources have been cited in small letters within the text itself, as well.

There is a sistine chapel ceiling page, but what I have written doesn't belong there as it covers three of the four major works,not just the ceiling, including the David and I will probably include something on the Pieta.

I think that there is a place for critical appraisal within an encylclopedia as large as this one. What is really being looked at in some depth here is the Theology behind the works of art. Without a grasp on the Christian thinking of the time, (the two major strands of it,) it is difficult to understand the various works.

Just to put you in the picture, I've been an art historian/teacher for forty years. i'd be obliged if you don't encourage people to chop it about until it's finished. It's easy to make nonsense out of something and then it's no use to anyone.

--Amandajm 15:44, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi again! I deleted the content of the article on Michelangelo again. I wrote the content in its entirity. I will add some material to the other pages on Michelangelo and try to keep every word of it verifiable.

How does one get rid of a page, then?

--Amandajm 01:13, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt reply V.Joe. I'll incorporate the main points into other articles. Right now I need help. Whoever wrote the article on Sistine Chapel ceiling made a serious error in describing the order of the paintings. The order has conceptual and philosophical ramifications. So it really matters, apart from being simply innaccurate.

Problem- the previous writer did a nice little diagram to support the description and of course it is wrong also. You can't see the door or altar in the beautiful pic of the ceiling, and he has located them at the wrong ends.

I need someone who knows how to edit diagrams to reverse the words altar and door (main door, I think it might say). Should probably read entrance. There are actually a couple of smaller doors, but only one main entrance.

I'll hhave to learn how to do diagrams, but I'm terribly experienced at this sort of thing and people have to keep telling me things.

--Amandajm 01:36, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I think that the article contains altogether too much original research. I've got a very good knowledge of Michelangelo, but I have been a teacher rather than a writer and haven't bothered to publish. Which means that I can't cite my own work as having authority. (I've been studying and talking about and teaching about Michelangelo for about 50 years). So I think we ought to cut the content and I'll rewrite it in a form that constitut fact. Thanks for having a look at the diagram. I found out who made it, and I'v sent him a message.

--Amandajm 03:01, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for tagging the article on Burke, I didn't have time to really work on the article except to start a new article and the basics.

Hello Valentinejoesmith, I noticed you adding a style editing tag to my newly created article Gwen Media. I was wondering if you could instruct my on how to improve my article, basically I don’t understand the “advertisement” part of the tag and need help on making my article my neutral.

P.S. I will cite my sources.

Zippokovich 22:19, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Don't know how I missed putting it on. Good eye! --Deville (Talk) 04:00, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi - perhaps the user's page was a redlink, but you need to be careful to put talk on talk pages. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Amandajm&action=history] I will move your comments to User talk:Amandajm and delete the history so that it shows red until the user wants to create it. Regards--A Y Arktos\^talk 02:48, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

This AfD nomination is empty, please consider completing it. Sandstein 18:49, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

:Never mind, I think I sort of did it for you. Sandstein 18:53, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey, Joe why did you nominate my graffiti page up for speedy deletion I was only trying to get Daddy Yankee haters some room to vandilize freely without getting blocked. {{From user:Daddy Yankee

Answer: to (misquote) my parents: because if you had one, everyone else would have to have one.) Cheers V. Joe 23:32, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Joe,

Thanks for your input on Stubbie cooler - I have now added the info on Coozie. If you think this solves the worlview issuem please remove the template and category.

Cheers Parasite 00:36, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I've run into your name a few times in the past week, so I'm just dropping a line to say hi. Happy editing to you! Teke 06:03, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

David-the-Monk 06:27, 16 June 2006 (UTC) Thanks for the help, Joe!

Image:Working Man's Barnstar.png for his tagging of ye aresload of speedy deletes. Thank you! --Fang Aili ^talk 01:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)]]

Just curious why you put the notice there. It's not my article, but I didn't see anything really wrong formatting wise (It's a pretty small article so most of the guidelines don't really apply). If it's something small you should probably just fix it. Falls End (T, C) 21:27, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, please excuse me if someone has raised this before, but I notice when you enter categories in articles such as Mary Heebner you enter the catsort the wrong way around. It's supposed to look like Heebner, Mary instead of Mary Heebner, so that the name is alphabetized by the last name in the category list. Regards, Ziggurat 04:07, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

It is the current version that is POV - it implies there was a 16 month ceasefire which Hamas observed, and rightfully renounced once the Israelis shelled the beach for no apparent reason. I will provide sources that describe Hamas shellign during the 16 month period, and re-add that statement. (This comment added by user: isarig. Signed: V. Joe 19:36, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I didn't recommend it for deletion because of the subject, but because it was an empty article with no words. If someone puts content in, I'd have no problem. Cheers back at cha Czolgolz 19:47, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you regarding your Myatt entry in the List of Converts to Islam page - a supporter of terrorism, so move to terrorist category. Coolmoon 20:24, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey, VJoe, I've recently developed Internal Troops with gendarmerie stuff following our discussions with you. Hope to cooperate with you further. BTW, take a look at Military communication and Signal Corps. Maybe you'll get interested in developing those topics (e.g. regarding copyediting or US info).AlexPU 22:17, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello :) I noticed you've looked at my History of the Jews in Serbia page -- I am trying to get it to be a redirect to my main article Jews in Serbia (the History of the Jews in Serbia page did not exist 5 minutes ago!!). If you could lend some expertise in this endeavour, that would be cool! (I assume you're some sort of Wikipedia administrator!)

Cheers, AWN2 16:47, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi Joe -- thanks for the feedback on the page. As for Serbia's role in WWI, I am not sure of the details and haven't researched it fully. Thanks for the redirect on the page -- it works seamlessly! =) Cheers AWN AWN2 09:01, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah yes, good ol' Gavrilo Princip! I'm trying to focus the article on the Jews of Serbia (with background where required), I'll see over the next few days if I can add more on the WWI period. Cheers AWN AWN2 00:05, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

If there is no objection or better suggestion, I'm going to rename this article to Boot, Cumbria for the reasons given on Talk:Boot (village)--Niro5 14:52, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

no problem ... she's an interesting character ... I'll add more as I find out more ... Mowens35 16:27, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your message in relation to this matter. Just so you know, I found the info on a emily browning fan site ([http://www.emily-browning.com http://www.emily-browning.com]) but i do understand your position as it has not been publisize very much. RockerballAustralia 07:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Apology accepted. RockerballAustralia 06:25, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Why are you trying to delete my user page, literally less than a minute after I began it. You are allowed one so why not me? Pjcard 15:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh I saw what i did. Sorry! Thanks for the help. Pjcard 15:53, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Is the article ok, i researched it very thoroughly and would hate it to be deleted

Listing this on AFD was overkill; I just redirected it to virginity, which already discusses use of the term. It's not a matter of notability (which this term is due to pervasiveness of use), it's simply a matter of its lack of substance as an independent topic. I also deleted your AFD page, as the listing was not completed and has no need to be. Postdlf 20:01, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

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I believe that the context is the Indian Air Force owing to his inclusion on the List of Ezhavas - Ezhavas being the single largest caste based community of Kerala, India.

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I reformated your AfD to match the formatting on the summary page. You may want to revisit it. --Justanother 23:30, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

:There were just some errors in the formatting that messed up the summary page. No big deal. Good luck. --Justanother 23:41, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Bloody hell! You got in there quick! He he.

I just read the discussion about Nachshub. (Isn't there a possibility to edit this word? Nachschub!)

You wrote:

"It was driving me crazy not knowing what the names of some of the German regiments meant. I don't speak a word of German, so if anyone knows more or could translate, it would be fine."

I guess I could help you.

German is my mothertongue and I am a member of the german army. That could be helpful, couldn't it?

Janet1983 00:00, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Fair deal; no worries. Sometimes I fear I may be a little quick on the draw or a little heavy-handed, but as I said -- no worries... --Mhking 18:04, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Per policy, a prod tag can be removed by anyone with or without justification. I have reverted [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yousef_al-Khattab&diff=86087869&oldid=86085886 this]. Please don't do such things in the future. - crz crztalk 18:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi, you removed someone's comment from the talk page of Talk:Trial of Saddam Hussein [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Trial_of_Saddam_Hussein&diff=86081656&oldid=86080571]. I presume this happened accidently due to an edit conflict but please take great care about this as it can great numerous problems. In cases of edit conflicts in the talk page, given that your comment is usually self-standing the easiest thing to do is to just copy the comment and re-edit the page and paste it where appropriate. Nil Einne 03:27, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

From Wikipedia:Three-revert rule#Detail:

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This policy does not apply to self-reverts, correcting simple vandalism, reverting the edits of a banned or blocked user, or other specific scenarios listed in the Exceptions section below.''

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Just thought you might want some reassurance. _JD^talk 19:36, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for doing the categories. Very lazy of me. Sadly, one of the points about this story is that the mainstream media does not seem to have picked up on it, so, for the time being, no better refs than those supplied. Clearly the article is open to question w.r.t. notability. I guess I'm going down the path that when an apprantly sane person self-immolates as a protest, that's probably notable. Even when the mainstream does not pick it up. Still. Good new article patrolling on your part. --Tagishsimon (talk)

I would, but your guess is as good as mine on the birthdates. What would I copy and paste to put "This is a Canadian Political Stub , you can help by expanding it" on the bottom of the page?

Thanks,

d44

Thanks. I'll keep an eye out for a while. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 16:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I saw those. I reverted them, along with a picture (that wasn't his) of Venom. I can't see the picture at work, but I know what the original picture was before it was changed. If the picture that is currently there (because I saw that you reverted the picture back) is over a "literal" Venom, then it cannot be used under fair use criteria, or any other criteria. All images of the character "Venom" (not Topher Grace) have been removed from circulation by the request of Sony. Any images that are being used are being used illegal under copyright violation; this includes personal screencaptures from the trailer that was shown at the ComicCon. This is because the trailer shown at the ComicCon wasn't officially released and was stolen via a camera phone. If the images isn't of Topher Grace then it will need to be removed. Bignole 17:02, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Would have been pretty annoying if they had been :/ RHB 19:54, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll have to get round to doing that at some point, but getting them created was the main thing today. Thanks again RHB 20:01, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I had just created the disambiguation page and so it was still on my mind when I saw the edit. (Emperor 19:24, 14 November 2006 (UTC))

Is there a reason to have a full list of CA State Controllers on her page? If you have a reason it will stay but otherwise I'm gonna toss it. Alamar2000 01:33, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi - it appears that {{admin|Crzrussian}} decided that the article didn't meet A7 (non notability) in such a way as to allow for speedy deletion. He did, however, put a prod tag on - 5 days from now, the article may be deleted. I'm afarind I can't go around this and delete it until the five days sre up, when I can make a proper decision. My edit was merely to remove the hangon request, which was putting the page into a category in which it didn't need to be! Note that if the prod tag is removed, you should take the article to WP:AFD, if you wish. Happy editing, Martinp23 21:41, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

No worries. Some of these cricket club articles do look a bit obscure but on WP:CRIC we've decided, after a lot of debate, that for England and Wales at least clubs at the highest level of amateur cricket are notable enough for an article, though the articles will probably never be long. This is one of the nicer names on the list. A couple of us will probably be gently working our way through the others over the next few weeks, so expect a few more oddities to come out of the woodwork. Cheers. Johnlp (talk) 22:23, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi,my information tells me that both the China Media Project site and the Journalism and Media Studies Center site (mentioned in the infringement warning) are licensed under Creative Commons. Well I am new(relatively speaking) and still learning, and still trying to work out all these rules. Could you help me out in this regards?Arilang1234 (talk) 22:06, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

:You may be right... but I will have to find out at a later time V. Joe (talk) 23:33, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks. I still need your helps in the future, as I am very green on wikipedia.Arilang1234 (talk) 00:00, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

:Hi, its me again. Have you find out anything about Creative Commons yet? The China Media Project where I copy all the material from, is under Creative Commons lisenceArilang1234 (talk) 02:17, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

:Just to check any update on China Media Project?Arilang1234 (talk) 21:34, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

• Any news on China Media Project? It has been too many days.Arilang1234 (talk) 02:24, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

What a prompt reaction ! You have posted it in less than one minute after the creation of the "Friedel scientists lineage" page ! How do you do to be so fast ? I have been gathering information on the subject for more than two weeks and this lineage is simply amazing. Cheers, Shinkolobwe (talk) 18:10, 14 October 2008 (UTC)Shinkolobwe

: Eh, I'm a new page patroller... The article is a good start, but the problem is mostly that this might be better handled a {{disambig}} page, or by an article on the family... just like an article on a family of peers. Cheers V. Joe (talk) 18:16, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Joe, Thank You for your advices. How can I rename this too complicated page name Friedel scientists lineage simply into Friedel family ? I intend to do more that just basic disambiguation to emphasize this amazing lineage. Can you do this rename for me as a WP editor before I go further ? Thanks. Cheers, Shinkolobwe (talk) 18:41, 14 October 2008 (UTC)Shinkolobwe.

you broked it. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AWarn&diff=245255640&oldid=222047407 69.138.72.24 (talk) 02:43, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Joe,

First, I am not a promoter (the event, incidentally is always free, and not really commercial--although I have never attended it). I created this page because I have read about this event for years, and it seems unbelievable that this cult event has no wikipedia page yet. The event has attained cult status in a city of several million people, and is known regionally and elsewhere to many more; but beyond that, it has played at least a partial role in inspiring similar pop cultural events in other cities nationwide (see article links). That alone should make it notable enough. Just because it is of more interest to people in or near Minnesota than to others doesn't detract from the fact that it is of some (albeit small) relevance and interest in popular culture nationally.

Perhaps more importantly, it meets the criteria of notability laid out in the guidelines since it is mentioned in multiple reliable sources, some of which I have already included in the article (I haven't yet had time to add more, I just wanted to get the article started, not spend my weekend defending it). This event has been explored in articles in at least 3 or 4 significant newspapers, a number of web publications, and who knows how many blogs. It is related to, though distinct from the larger Zombie Walk article--which seems to have been deemed notable enough. As I say, even if you don't think it is sufficiently notable (which for the reasons I just stated, I would argue it is) this article needs to stay for at least six months to a year so it can be discovered by other editors, have time to establish itself and be improved by other editors. Putting new articles such as this one of a more local flavor--but which still have some other significance--in front of a firing squad before they get a chance to become established and allow editors to further illuminate their relevance is a very slippery slope.

Summary: The article is of an small but nonetheless real importance local to regional (arguably national) areas of pop culture. It meets notability criteria. The subject has grown organically into a sufficient pop cultural relevance with at least tenuous national influence. To delete such an article right of the bat, or put it on automatic deletion review track when it has met notability and other criteria is a bad idea. Cheers. AdRem (talk) 02:33, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

::Great, so would you remove the tag then? Maybe the article shouldn't stand--but I think it deserves a shot for a while. AdRem (talk) 17:09, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

::: Sure V. Joe (talk) 17:11, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey there. I requested an article on the Argonauts a while ago to no avail, so thought i'd create one. Obviously this is my first time so it's going to be a bit ropey, but I want to work on it and get it right, so please don't delete it. The band was recently the subtest of a bbc radio programme where they were interviewed for 25 mins and played 4 songs so I think this qualifies their notability?

All the best,

Jon —Preceding unsigned comment added by Godshonestjon (talk • contribs) 19:52, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

No problem, the article has it's issues but I was a little surprised by that edit :D --Nate1481 09:30, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think pointing out what had actually happened and asking to discuss is particularly assuming bad faith, & my comment above was polite and friendly, I'm a little confused. --Nate1481 16:50, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

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You're welcome. I found the article quite interesting. Manxruler (talk) 17:08, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks, M. le General Monclar was most interesting in the French component of the UN force during the Korean war. Do you have the article for that? V. Joe (talk) 18:51, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I had to revert an edit you made (on Carter), because I think it messed up the formatting of the page and we had to go back to an earlier version. Could you please repost your edit. Thanks and apologies, Jacob2718 (talk) 20:22, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

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V.Joe, your comments "(images of dead Palestinian children) can certainly be a form of pornography and often are to people who are members of death-cults, neo-nazi organizations and others who we might find unpleasant. To me, Hamas is all three" are highly offensive and wholly inappropriate. Consider a substitution of the word "Jewish" for "Palestinian" and "Israel" for Hamas" and tell me what sort of reaction you would expect. You were politely asked to strike out the vile comments, your blithe refusal to do so is noted. RomaC (talk) 04:07, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

:: Roma, You did not politely ask me (and WanderSage, and Tundra Buggy)to change or strike-out our comments. You demanded it. I don't do well with demands. And I dislike your implied threat.

:::Unfortunately, the nature of Hamas is a death-cult, and the use by largely (but not completely) Muslim youths unhappy with their lives in both Muslim countries and non-Muslim country to compare the poverty they might face in Egypt and the discrimination (quite real) in France or Sweden. This is a form of pornography as I understand it. (Namely, literature or images to encourage fantasies.) Hamas does not belong to the level of Fatah or even the Muslim Brotherhood (alternatively non-Islamic terrorist organizations, like the PIRA or the 1930s era Ku Klux Klan or the Red Brigades), but instead to the likes of Al-Qaeda or Aztec priests with sacrificial knives dripping blood. (Instead of feeding Quetzalcoatl with blood, these men wish to feed God with blood, the blood of the Israelis, but also the blood of themselves and their children. I cannot envision a God, compassionate and merciful, who wishes these things.) This is not the faith of the Muhammad (to me, a historical figure, not a religious one) who banned female infanticide any more than the Inquisition was the faith of the historical Yeshua. I have a limited sympathy for the Palestinian people but very little for Fatah and none at all for Hamas. These images were also taken of a human tragedy, of whatever cause, and posted in a very public place to garnish sympathy for a cause. I appeal to you, where are the pictures of the dead children from Checyna (Russian and Chechnik) or from Tamil. V. Joe (talk) 14:49, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

::::V.Joe, I am disappointed but unfortunately not surprised that you refuse to apologize for or strikeout your reprehensible comments associating dead Palestinian children with pornography and "death-cults." Your argument above provides me no evidence of coherent thinking, I'm sorry to have wasted your time. RomaC (talk) 09:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

:::::: Does this mean I disagree with you? V. Joe (talk) 16:40, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Who cares about hamas? these are innocent dead children. I am completely against dead children on both sides, nevertheless, the numbers speak. Civilian palestinan deaths of wich are many children and women far outnumber those in israel. You or anyone else are most welcome to add images that would please the other side if that is our goal. My goal is to speak up for those civilians. Do you think these children are hamas fighters? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Contrieng (talk • contribs) 20:18, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Very often I believe that they might be. Nonetheless, it is a strawman, since your images are not copyrighted in any case. But ask yourself, do you believe that Hamas would allow humanitarian aid into Israel if the situation was reversed?V. Joe (talk) 21:11, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

I do not understand how images of dead children are propaganda! Please do not remove the images without discussion.

Please post commentary to the bottom of the pageV. Joe (talk) 14:51, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I do not understand how images of dead children are propaganda!

Please do not remove the images without discussion.

Do you have a reference for that?--Cdogsimmons (talk) 01:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

:Interestingly, when I read the source for that information, [http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2003/09/ma_497_01.html] it does not actually say what our article seems to say, that ISM faked the pictures. It seems to say that they presented them out of context. I have added cite needed tags and removed the incorrect analysis of the Mother Jones article.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 19:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

::OK. However, even if ISM did not fake the picture, they changed the context in order to suit a political view. This means that what they say ought to be taken with a grain of salt. Indeed, anything involving ISM should say something like "ISM, previous known for manipulating images involving the Israeli Palestine conflict..." V. Joe (talk) 21:19, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

:::I'm not saying they didn't screw up, but I don't think that should completely exclude them as a source. The picture can still be attributed to them and people can take that for what it's worth. I agree with you completely that what they say should be taken with a grain of salt. But to me, that doesn't add up to creating phony pictures of dead Palestinian babies. Plus, if adding a political tinge to a photo's caption were grounds for excluding sources, we wouldn't have any sources to work with.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 23:32, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

::::Screw up? No, ISM didn't "screw-up" as you put it. "Screw-up" suggests a mistake, something caused by accident. ISM instead deliberately manipulated photographs, misrepresented the activities of one of its members (the unfortunate, but somewhat dim and somewhat maleficent Rachel Corrie) in order to manipulate public opinion and gather support for its cause and organization. They also tried to hide unflattering pictures of Corrie to from Western media outlets (The picture/footage of her screaming "death to the Jews" while burning Israeli and American flags made great copy for the right-wing media once discovered. She was also photographed/filmed throwing stones at Israeli soldiers.) Therefore, caveat emptor (let the buyer aware) applies doubly to an organization or person who has chosen to be a fraud or a trickster. (This is why Bill Clinton cannot practice law, and few people still consider Dan Rather a serious journalist). I hope that this picture is not faked, but the ISM has long forfeited the benefit of the doubt. The ISM prefers to paint itself as a neutral observer, but as long been revealed as a shill for the most radical of Hamas demands (Actual, non-demographic destruction of the Jewish State.) V. Joe (talk) 16:49, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

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Dear Valentinejoesmith,

Please do not remove material from Wikipedia without just cause for doing so. The Australasian Institute of Police is a legitimate, registered, not-for-profit organisation that has been established for policing. Do you have anything to do with policing? On what possible authority or motivation would you remove such an informational item without even having the basic courtesy of discussing this with people? I note that this is not the first time that you have done such... Perhaps you might consider deleting the Institutes of Medicine, Architecture, Acccounting, Technology and all the other education, training and professional bodies that exist in the world and are mentioned on Wikipedia???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.108.194.237 (talk) 09:59, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

::Dear unsigned: The material based on the Australasian document is based on a website taken straight from its website. (aka a Copyright violation) It also is NOT as signifigant in Australian policing as the Constitutional relationship between Australia and her Police. Consider the "Policeman's Benevolent Society" in the United States. Cheers 15:04, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

::Dear VJS - And I am the author of the material upon the AiPol site therefore under both Australian and US law have licence to reproduce my own work in any location that I choose to do so. Given that you are a very long way from Australia and do not have any connection with policing either there, or here, may I suggest that you focus upon your own back yard and leave any censorship to those of us downunder. May I remind you that you removed the article due to 'blatant advertising' not under breach of copyright... I think that if you ask those within the medical profession (or any other profession for that matter) how important their professional body is for the sharing and building of knowledge that increases the performance of their profession...and would not see any article relating to their Institutes as 'advertising'. As mentioned above, perhaps you need to take a quick tour of the other professional Institutions and the valuable work that they provide before censoring material that has absolutely no connection to you, nor do you have any knowledge of what-so-ever. Stay in your own sand-box... Regards, Ian Lanyon - Secretary, AiPol —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.25.230.150 (talk) 22:16, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

::: First of all, Wikipedia is a user contributed website. I contributed because I find your article to be spam & also was a copyright violation without a specific realize. Secondly, if you are in fact an employee or agent for AiPol, it is quite inappropriate for you to schil the institution. Lastly, WP:DAB & assume good faith. I am trying to protect the crediblity of wikipedia, not to promote a website or professional association. V. Joe (talk) 00:34, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

::Dear V. Joe - Might I correct you, that you didn't contribute, you deleted...there is a significant difference there my friend. My final word on the matter would be to ask you, who better to contribute an article than those who have direct knowledge and authority of the subject matter than someone directly involved with the Australasian Institute of Policing? This is not 'schil' but rather enlightening those who might be interested of the existence of a not-for-profit entity who's sole purpose is to enhance the service that poice provide to their communities... Regards, Ian —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian.lanyon (talk • contribs) 07:03, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

:::I didn't delete. I'm not an admin, I recommended deletion. A recommendation which I stand by. V. Joe (talk) 17:33, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

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I did edit you changes for musharraf because they are higly biased towards musharraf.And you removed every antimusharraf line.The article must be neutral.We must find a middle way —Preceding unsigned comment added by Almortian (talk • contribs) 20:25, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

The trouble is... the criticism so quoted was highly removed from the facts. Musharraf, whatever his other virtues or vices, is a combat veteran and was decorated by the Pakistan Army for his courage in the field. Both "good guys" and bad guys share this trait (Wellington & Benedict Arnold) V. Joe (talk) 16:25, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Karl_Von_Hess&curid=23965372&diff=307812050&oldid=307797066 . What is: Turowicz, Wladyslaw Jozef Marian ? May I delete it without repercussion ? Peace, rkmlai (talk) 21:16, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

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Yes, I've lost things that I was sure I posted too, so I understand that. As for Pete Seeger - obviously I disagree with you. If you think describing a man of age 90 who has spent a lifetime and is still out there on the frontlines actively working for environmental and other causes as "tireless" is biased, all I can say is I wish you the same strength in your own old age (and me too). As you may see, the word is out of the intro at the moment, but I really do think when objections were raised to your edit - which after all reflects your own biases, right? - it would have been a better approach to talk about the edit rather than just reinstating it. By the way - as I asked on the talk page, would you be more comfortable with the word "tireless" if I added citations for it? I think it would be easy to find reliable, neutral sources who would characterize Pete as tireless. Cheers. Tvoz/talk 04:59, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

::Not especially. I think the problem with tireless is simply this... which is more factual? Al Gore is a tireless campaigner for climate change prevention? or Al Gore was awarded the Noble Prize for Science for his efforts to prevent climate change and has been rewarded an honorary degree from many institutions.. V. Joe (talk) 16:20, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

::: Well, when Al Gore is 90 years old and still out there on the stump, fighting for the environment - I'll call him "tireless". Tvoz/talk 03:53, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

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::::: And I'm afraid your politics are influencing your editing. Tvoz/talk 03:55, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

You asked a question a couple of years ago about how my father (whose bio you have edited on several occasions)got his nickname. I've answered the question on my own talk page.Tswilk3 (talk) 15:40, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Correction to my previous note, just above: I put the answer to your question on the "discussion page" for the Wilkinson bio, not on my own talk page. Do you think the origin of his nickname ought to go into the bio? Tswilk3 (talk) 13:49, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes. But please do provide a "written source" for the information about the Admiral. Just like "doing" any other history... V. Joe (talk) 16:23, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

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Hi

Regarding:

1) "He passed in the presence of his Master" (I have never seen someone's death described that way in Wikipedia.) It is filled with POV, in that wikipedia does not take a position in the existence of Jehovah... and if you were a believer, it is also presumptuous to assume that His will is that Groves went to see God (as opposed to the other guy) 2) "He considered his life a failure..." Please cite this. 3) ..."Did not live long enough to see the worldwide impact of his ideas and example on a new generation of "faith missions" springing from the 1859-60 Revivals." Again, this sounds like it was written as a celebration of Groves' life... which is entirely inappropriate to an encyclopedia & to NPOV.

1. This is common expression for the passing of a Christian from this world into eternal life. That you haven't seen it described this way in Wikipedia doesn't detract from the reality of it. I don't know who originally posted it but I can understand why you might find it contentious. Perhaps a solution would be to replace it with "His niece, Lydia Muller, wrote at the time 'Leaning his head on his hand, he sweetly fell asleep in Jesus, at twelve on Friday, May 20th, 1853'". This conveys the sentimentality of the original post, as well as being a direct quote (taken from "Memoir of AN Groves with the Supplement") from an eyewitness.

2. I have not read the above-named Memoir so can't comment on this point.

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Hi.

Not sure if I'm using the correct method of replying to you - I'm still very much an amateur at Wikipedia, so apologies if I'm breaking protocol.

"Hi, to answer your questions, it is still not eh place to write about the existance of a Christian God as a known fact. I personally am quite sure of His existance, and even more sure about the existance of a Satan, neither, however, are facts in the scientific term. (this is what faith is about)."

I don't see why it isn't the place to write about the existence of a Christian God - there is abundant proof of His existence. You can't prove your mother's love scientifically but we don't need faith to know that it is there!

"As for a Christian revival in 1859-1860, it is certainly geocentric to refer to this as such. there was an indisputed revival of the Christian Brotherhood in England at this time... but there is none at all for a world-wide or even Christendom-wide "Great Awakening" of the scale as seen in the Americas and Britain around 1660."

Groves put his trust in God to supply ALL his needs. George Muller was greatly influenced by this and from that, a great many individuals and organisations around the world trust in God for all their needs. I know - I deal with them on a daily basis. Whilst most of these may quote Muller as their inspiration, Muller (amongst others) got his inspiration from Groves, so it is therefore perfectly true to say there was a "worldwide impact of his ideas and example on a new generation of "faith missions" ".

"---I agree with you in re: direct quotes from obituaries and such... If you can find a quote from Lydia Miller than would certainly clean-up the POV."

The quote I gave you is from page 501 of "Memoir of AN Groves with the Supplement" - Third Edition, published in 1869 by James Nisbet & Co, Berners Street, London. I have the book in front of me even now.

Silver Shiney (talk) 09:36, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

: You reply in quite the correct place.

==Non sectarianism/"big tent"==

: Wikipedia is very diverse and includes wikipedians (sp) of any religious stripe or none. There are outstanding editors who are Christian (from "snake-handler" to liberal Episcopalians), Jewish (from reform to ultra-orthodox), Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Jain and atheists. Not talking about God or Christianity as established facts help keep Wikipedia a secular encyclopedia (not the Catholic Encyclopedia or even the 1911 Britannica . An article is certainly not the place to witness. (You will find that sort of thing on the Arabic language Wikipedia.)

:: Muller/Groves: I don't know anything at all about the gentlemen in question or their status with the almighty.

::: Please consider using the book reference function to place a tag on it. I'm not (obviously) familiar with the text in question.

Cheers:

V. Joe (talk) 17:12, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi

Thanks for your response.

"An article is certainly not the place to witness." - Agreed, but perhaps the Talk section is?

On the subject of neutrality and providing proof, evolutionists are permitted to put their theories forward as scientific fact, when science actually disproves it. It is therefore not unreasonable for Christian contributors to state the factual existence of God

"Muller/Groves: I don't know anything at all about the gentlemen in question or their status with the almighty." I know little about Groves (haven't had the opportunity to read the book I refer to) but anyone studying the life of Muller would be challenged to deny that what he accomplished is outside the realm of human achievement. The Wiki page on his life is quite sound.

"Please consider using the book reference function to place a tag on it. I'm not (obviously) familiar with the text in question." Does that mean you'd be happy for me to remove the UNPOV marker?

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Just added a note to your comment on Louis Napoleon, the Prince Imperial. He can't have been a british army officer as the condition for him to go to military training in England was that he wasn't allowed to take commission in the army. Source: Saul Davids "Zulu. The Heroism and Tragedy of the Zulu War of 1879" (2006?) p 311. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shieldfire (talk • contribs) 13:52, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

::This I did not know. He had to have been something though. Do you know what his official status was with the British Army, if any? He was definitely killed in action by a Zulu, and I doubt he would have enlisted or taken a warrant...

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Hello, I left you a message at Talk:Josef Šnejdárek.Cimmerian praetor (talk) 16:37, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

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Hello. I answered a question from 2009 you left in the discussion page for the article on Emil Mazuw. Its about his postwar status as a prisoner. 70.234.252.216 (talk) 05:35, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

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Hi

I came across the following article from the Southern Poverty Law Center.

http://splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/winter/the-hard-liners

In the article, SPLC declared American Vision, along with 12 other groups, to be a "Hate Group". This action was taken because: "Even as some well-known anti-gay groups like Focus on the Family moderate their views, a hard core of smaller groups, most of them religiously motivated, have continued to pump out demonizing propaganda aimed at homosexuals and other sexual minorities. These groups’ influence reaches far beyond what their size would suggest, because the “facts” they disseminate about homosexuality are often amplified by certain politicians, other groups and even news organizations."

I hope this helps

Pete

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